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Fargo Monthly Magazine is published 12 times a year and free. Copies are available at over 800 Fargo-Moorhead locations along with digital versions at www.fargomonthly.com. Publisher SPOTLIGHT MEDIA INC. President MIKE DRAGOSAVICH
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he first issue of the year and I am so pumped! We have continued to take some big steps forward in our mission as a team at Spotlight Media. Our goal was to be able to put a spine on Fargo Monthly and keep increasing the quality. I’m proud to say that we were able to accomplish that goal! Perfect timing too. It’s a great way to start the new year. Wow, was that 32 Below photo shoot fun! We really went all out on that production. The cover is by far my favorite of all time. And starting on page 10 you can see more shots. We also were able to do some national interviews with the bands Yellowcard and All Time Low. That’s always an honor to be able to interview those type of bands. The last thing I want to mention is our “Wake Up Callers” article. I have always respected the quality of humor and hardwork our local radio hosts bring to the area everyday and I thought it would be nice to show you what they look like and learn a little more about them. Enjoy!
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David Lee (Bearded Fury) Jeb Reinhiller
Bryan Loweree Luke Nygaard
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By Andrew Jason and Photos by J. Alan Paul Photography
â€™ You might not recognize all the faces in the band. They ve â€™ shaken things up. it s time to Meet the new 32 Below.
32 Below are some cool guys. (Sorry for that lousy pun.) This country band first formed back in 2001 and, despite the many faces that have graced this band (Jeb Reinhiller is the only original band member), for the last 12 years, they have rocked almost every city across the Midwest. January 1 was the launch of the brand new 32 Below. We got the chance to chill (someone stop us) with them. If one thing is for certain, this band is going to keep rocking until hail freezes over. (Seriously, whatâ€™s wrong with us?)
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Where have they been
Bryan is taking over for former lead singer Matt Aakre. 32 Below’s New Year’s Eve show was Matt’s last show. The band hopes to stay just as entertaining and outgoing as ever. They have also added on David Lee to play lead guitar, and the extravagantly named, Dobro.
They have performed at too many venues to count. They perform throughout the Midwest. Their name and popularity has started to grow as they have begun to play shows in places as far away as Wyoming and Chicago. They are even being flown out to Hawaii in early January.
What’is new about 32
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What is in the works
Tyler summed up what makes them different and why they’re so popular. “Regardless of the size of the venue, we try to treat every show the same. We give 100 percent commitment and effort to each performance. There’s never an easy night or an off night. We take a lot of pride in our performances… We treat every show the same.”
They are still recording new music. Creating original music is very important to the band. They have plans to produce another CD in the near future but they don’t have immediate plans to when that will be.
Did you know that you can coffee and live off of hot pockets for months time? -Tyler at a
Where are they playing
Your first chance to see the new 32 Below perform in the Fargo-Moorhead area is on Jan. 20 when they perform at the Windbreak.
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Behind the scenes
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A lot goes into a photo shoot like this. Four hours, a lot of donuts, tons of makeup and a whole lot of laughs. Search Fmspotlight Page on Facebook to see more behind the scenes photos.
Bearded Fury pulled out the Blue Steel.
3 Behind the scene photos by Jenna Lennertz and Caitlin Abrams.
Elyse Michelle did all the makeup. You can find her on Facebook. To create the frozen look, she used an ounce of white airbrush makeup, about .25 ounces of concealer, two blue shadows and one highlighter. What better way to kill a few minutes then by reading Fargo Monthly? Our awesome photographer, Jesse Hoorelbeke of J. Alan Paul Photography.
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For more information on 32 Below, find them on Facebook or check out their website at www.32below.net.
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1st – Lucas Hranicka 3rd – Miss Chevious 4th, 5th – The Vistas 8th – Lucas Hranicka 10th – Bud Segaal and the Gremlins 11th, 12th – Scotty G and the Follow Me 15th – Lucas Hranicka 17th – Miss Chevious 18th, 19th – Jeez Loueez 22nd – Lucas Hranicka 24th – Bud Segaal and the Gremlins 25th, 26th – Face For Radio 29th – Lucas Hranicka 31st – Miss Chevious
January // LIVE MUSIC
D’ WOODS LOUNGE (DOUBLEWOOD INN) 4th – Mother Shipton 11th, 12th – Blue Wailers 26th – Cat Sank Trio
2nd – Lars & Joe Pony Show 5th – Mick $ Rich (NDSU Afterparty) 9th – Mike Holtz 10th – Joey & Tyler (24/7, Face for Radio) 12th – Double Team (Bryan/David) 16th – Mick $ Rich 19th – The Ciro & Topher Show 23th – Lucas Hranicka (8th hour) 24th – Double Team (Bryan/David) 25th – Double Team (Bryan/David) 30th – Joey & Tyler (24/7, Face for Radio)
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4th – 8th Hour 5th – Tripwire 11th – Uncle Chunk 14th – Tune In Tokyo 18th – The Roosters 19th – 24/Seven 25th – Save Me CJ 26th – Maiden Dixie
4th – Moody River Band 5th – San Haven Chuckle 11th – Boys of Summer 12th – DJ IP Discotheque 18th – Poitin 19th – Inside Out Strings 25th – Root City Band 26th – Nathan Miller
3rd – Blue Wailers 10th – Alison Scott and Kevin Bowe 13th – Singer/Songwriter Night 17th – IOS 24th – Cat Sank Trio 31st – Hobo Nephews of Uncle Frank
4th, 5th – Rustic Rhythm 11th, 12th – Blues Tonic 18th, 19th – Anthony Chaput 25th, 26th – Salty Murray
5th – San Haven Chuckle 11th – Heavy is the Head 16th – The Krims/Rob Ashe (Opener) 19th – Rustic Rhythm
4th – Acoustic Addiction 11th – Neptune Men 18th – The Deadbeats 25th – Plow Boyz
4th, 5th – Skyline 6th – Shaun Mitzel (From Dirty Word) 11th – DJ Mad Mardigan (T-Wolves Resident DJ) 12th – Q5 Band 13th – Joey and Tyler Acoustic Show 18th, 19th – Chester Bay 20th – Lars and Joe Pony Show 25th – Mourning After 26th – DJ MU FOSSAA 27th – Mick and Rich 30th – Shaun Mitzel (From Dirty Word)
3rd – Skyline 4th – Shane Martin 5th – Fat Daddy’s 6th – 24Seven 10th – The Roosters 11th – Lost Highway 12th, 13th – Dirty Word 17th, 18th – Captain May I 19th – Quiet Drive 20th – 32 Below 23rd – Johnny Holm Band 24th, 25th – Face For Radio 26th, 27th – October Road 31st – Slamabama
HOUSE OF ROCK JC CHUMLEY’S 3rd – Lars & Joe Pony Show 12th – The Roosters 19th – Helena Hand Basket 26th – The Arthurs
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4th, 5th – Flashback 11th, 12th – Silverado 18th, 19th – The Shakers 25th, 26th – Billy D and the Crystals
GARAGE BAR HAGGES BAR AND 4th – Fat Daddy’s GRILL: MAPLETON 5th – Boomtown 11th – Pucker Up 12th – Rhyme or Reason 18th – Ciro & Topher Show 19th – Skyline 25th – Silverado 26th – Tune In Tokyo
4th, 5th – Brother Jukebox 11th, 12th – Mother Shipton 18th, 19th – Contentions 25th, 26th – Twice as Hard
11th – Tim Mahoney 12th – Skyline 17th – Tripwire 20th – Nonpoint
CADILLAC RANCH 4th – Boomtown 11th – The Roosters 18th – Silverado 25th – October Road
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Charley Johnson By Andrew Jason Photos by J. Alan Paul
Charley Johnson knows how to draw a crowd. He is the CEO of the Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitor's Bureau. His job is to lure visitors and conventions to the FM area. (Sounds like a fun job to us. We also want the world to see that our city is great.) He works each and every day trying to show the rest of the U.S. that Fargo can compete with any city in the country. Hereâ€™s what he had to say.
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Interview w What he does:
“I’m in charge of the Convention and Visitor’s Bureau. Besides me, there are 10 full-time people and our primary businesses are tourism –- marketing the community through a tourism standpoint –- and seeking to gain more convention and conference business for the communities of Fargo and Moorhead.”
What he thinks about the boom in Fargo:
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“I think the town is booming and has been for the last 20 years. It’s not an explosion like out on the oil patch, but it’s been a steady growth here that people sometimes forget about when they talk about the explosive growth out west. Fargo-Moorhead has never stopped growing… It’s a pretty diverse economy that’s developed here. Especially when you consider the software aspects with Microsoft coming out of Great Plains and other software companies that have popped up… The fact that Senator Dorgan and other long-term visionaries thought of starting the Red River Research Corridor has been a big boom up and down the Red River Valley…There’s a lot of research going on here that’s never been done before. NDSU has kind of transformed themselves in the last 15 to 20 years.”
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The Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitor’s Bureau knows all about the area. We picked their brains to find some fun facts about Fargo that we bet you didn’t know.
What he tells Fargo’s naysayers:
“There aren’t any, are there? (Laughs) I would tell them to go to recent editions of your magazines. (Laughs) There’s a lot going on. The slogan at the CVB is, “Always warm.” Everybody always knows that it’s cold here. The people are always warm though and it’s always a wonderful place to visit.”
Key points he drives home when marketing Fargo:
“Generally speaking, we sell it as a unique place to visit. It’s easy to get here. We have the best air service in the state and it’s getting better with the addition of a flight that is coming in February that will give us non-stop flights to Dallas everyday… Also, the resurgence of downtown in the last 15 to 20 years is a huge selling point. There’s absolutely no doubt about that. The entertainment district down there has improved immensely. Kind of why your magazine exists. Right?” (Laughs)
How he ended up with this job:
“I had a long broadcasting career in Fargo-Moorhead, 35 plus years. I had been working most recently doing newscasts in Grand Forks at WDAZ TV. I commuted from Moorhead. I heard that Kohl (former president of the FMCVB) had semi-retired. I heard they were looking for a new person to run the Convention and Visitors Bureau and I thought, ‘well, that’ll be fun. I think I’m going to apply for that.’ So I did…”
To read the full interview Charley, go to fargomonthly.com
There are 46 hotels and over 350 restaurants in Fargo-Moorhead. There are also 10 convention hotels. At the moment, there are 4,214 hotel rooms in Fargo-Moorhead.
About the FMCVB The Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitor’s Bureau’s mission is to boost the FM community with events, conventions, tours and more. They inform locals as well as visitors about events, deals and activities throughout the area. In May of 2011, they proudly received industry accreditation and have hosted conventions such as the ND Travel Conference. The FMCVB houses the “Wood Chipper” made famous by the movie “Fargo.” fargomonthly.com // 27
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P U E K WA S R E CALL ms a e T w o h S g in n r o M The Local Radio os by J. Alan Paul
By Andrew Jason • Phot
ornings are rough. Nobody likes to wake up early, get the kids to school while trying to get themselves ready for work, trudge out to their car, only to have to scrape off the windows, and finally, haul themselves to work wondering when they can get that next cup of coffee. For many people, the one bright spot in those morning doldrums are the morning shows they listen to on their way to work. These shows’ missions are to make everyone’s day a little brighter with humor and music. We caught up with five of these morning shows. So go ahead and meet the faces behind the voices.
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GO // Morning View
E V A D , E I B ROB E S O O M D AN 107.9 THE FOX
Robbie and Dave have been in the radio business for some time now. The two have been together for 18 years, Moose joined the duo six years ago. Throughout their 18 years together, they have created some great friendships and found a love for their job. After all, you have to love your job to wake up at 4 a.m. everyday.
Putting the fun in dysfunctional It may sound like a lot of work goes into a morning show. Well, you’re right but often times things have to be handled on the spot. “From the hip is a good way to describe our radio show,” Dave joked. “It’s controlled chaos… We’re putting the function in dysfunctional.” 18 years of change Spend 18 years in any industry and you’ll notice a lot of changes. Radio is no different. Here’s what Dave feels is changing the most. “In 10 years, when all the morning shows begin to age out, where are we going to
be? The talent pool is gone that you call from to create these. My fear is that 20 years down the road there is just going to be these national syndications like Lex and Terry and Bob and Tom. Embrace the local radio. Check it out. It’s worth it.” Birthday cake with KISS Moose shared an experience that most people can only dream about. In fact, this still feels like a dream to Moose. “It’s when you get to make those personal connections that make it (interviews) special. This happened back in 1997… I’m backstage, interviewing Gene Simmons. So he said, ‘Come with
me…’ We get back to the Green Room and I have no idea why I’m back there. It’s full of people. Keep in mind that Gene is already in full gear so that’s intimidating in itself. In walks Paul and Peter and I’m like, ‘This is totally cool.’ All of a sudden somebody comes in and goes, ‘Kill the lights.’ In walks Ace and he’s carrying his boots and he’s bitching, ‘I have to get ready.’ They turn on the lights and everybody yells, ‘Happy birthday!’ They start serving cake and ice cream. I’m eating cake and ice cream with freaking KISS!”
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JESSE AND AMANDA WITH PIKE FROGGY 99.9 They run their show as a family. Jesse described it best when he said that they’re like a good Pixar film. “Parents have some fun stuff but it’s (the show) OK for the kids.” This family friendly show is the newest morning show in the area since Jesse only joined five months ago. However, Pike and Amanda have been here for three years. Although they’ve only been together for a short time, they’re out to make a name for themselves.
Pothole Full Of Cereal Pike is the closest thing you’ll find to a stunt person in Fargo morning shows. He’s willing to go out there and do what needs to be done. For example, Froggy recently had a competition to find the biggest pothole in the area. Once they found it, they sent Pike out to eat Cocoa Puffs out of the pothole. How is it to eat Cocoa Puffs out of a pothole? Here’s how Pike describes it. “It was a little gravely with a few glass shards. The first couple scoops were pretty good but after that it was downhill.”
Events Galore Jesse, Amanda and Pike are involved in a variety of events around the community. One of Amanda’s favorite events is WINOS. (Women in need of Sanity) They also are part of a Reading Rocks program where students who reach a reading goal receive a pizza party. They feel that it’s important to become involved in the community that supports them. Hardest Part Of The Job The hardest part of the job for them is once they leave the
studio. They all love being on air but it’s not all fun and games. They constantly have to go to meetings and other tedious aspects of the job. “You can either do this job or you can’t,” Jesse said. “If everybody could, they would… The hardest part of the job is on the other side of that door. Meeting after meeting. Once 1 p.m. rolls around and you’ve been there since 4 a.m. you’re like, ‘What does this have to do with me?’”
Where and when you can listen to them You can listen to them at 99.9 FM every weekday morning from 5 – 9 a.m. fargomonthly.com // 35
N H O J , S CHRI E N A J D N A BOB 95.1
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Chris, John and Jane have been together for 11 years. They are the longest running morning show in town. The joke is that they were supposed to be a six-month hold over until they could find someone better. After 11 years of searching, are they calling the search off? Their listeners hope so.
Sleepless in Las Vegas They’ve traveled across the state and country. They broadcast from different locations and concerts, like Moondance Jammin’ Country, across the area. They’ve also been able to travel to places like Las Vegas. It all sounds like fun and games but as Chris explained, it is actually a lot of work. “The worst, well not the worst, but you know, first world problems, is when you go to Las Vegas, it’s Pacific time so when your show starts at 5:30 a.m. Central, you have to be on the air at 4:30 a.m. There’s been many nights where you stay up, do the show and go to bed.” Wine coolers and Trace Adkins
They’ve met many acts that have come to the area but one story stands out in particular. The time John almost spilled a wine cooler on Trace Adkins. This is how John explained it happened. “We were at Moondance backstage and one of our jobs there is that we interview the stars for a jumbotron introduction before they go on stage. Jane was going to interview Trace Adkins so they have this little patio that you do the interview in. Jane has all her notes and is professionally prepared to do the interview. I’ve been at the festival for six hours at that point, having a little more fun than Jane likes me to have. (Laughs) So she told me to go back there. I said, ‘Sure, I’ll come back and meet Trace Adkins.’ So
I’m sitting there with my drink in my lap and he comes walking into the room and he’s seven feet tall, ripped and has a voice that vibrates a car. He walks in and gives me a ‘Howdy.’ It startled me and I spilt my drink all over my crotch. I made a real good impression with Trace Adkins. Jane was real pleased with me.” (Laughs) Coffee and friends The best part of their job is easy to find. “5:30 to 9 a.m.” Chris said. “Imagine if you sat around with two really good friends, drank coffee and talked about what’s going on. That’s what we get to do everyday.”
Where and when you can listen to them You can find them on Bob 95.1 FM, weekday mornings from 5:30 to 9 a.m. 36 // fargomonthly.com
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CORI AND BIG DOG FM 105.1
There are two important things you need to know about Cori and Big Dog. 1. Cori is pregnant. 2. No, it’s not Big Dog’s baby. After that you should probably know that their morning show focuses on women who have a busy schedule and that they’re trying to make a difference in people's lives. Big Dog hopes that he can make people laugh and help them forget their problems every morning. In our opinion, they’re doing just that.
Making a difference Every year they do a Christmas Wish program. Since 1989, the Christmas Wish program has been helping make Christmas wishes come true. This Christmas they raised over $25,000. The good the Christmas Wish does ranges from helping a family who can’t afford to heat their home to making Christmas wishes come true for a family who lost a loved one.
Shyness One thing that might surprise everybody is that both of these DJs are kind of shy. It’s easy to talk into a mic, but Big Dog still finds himself getting nervous in social situations. Numerous hats Big Dog is not only a DJ for 105.1 but he’s also the Program Director for 105.1 AND the Operations Director of Go Radio. How
exactly does someone handle doing all that? “It’s very busy. Everyday is a different challenge, that’s what’s fun about the job. Everyday is different. You go in with a plan and schedule and usually by 9 or 10 in the morning, you’re winging it. It keeps it interesting.”
Where and when you can listen to them
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Y94 - 93.7
Maggie joined Zero and Rat last August after a very public “Y Factor”. It turned out she had that special Y Factor and won the job to replace long-time DJ Megan. Despite the fact that they’re a new ménage á trois, they seem like they’ve been doing it for a long-time. So go ahead, check them out every morning.
Two guys, a girl and a radio show It’s not rocket science why it’s two guys and a girl. Morning shows usually need a female to succeed. The logic behind it is easy to explain. “It’s amazing how much funnier bad jokes are with a female laughing,” Zero said. “That giggle makes everything that much funnier.” What they’re known for Donna the Deer Lady is known throughout the country. The video of her call in has over 11,000,000 views on Youtube. She originated on Y94. In case
you’ve been living under a rock on Mars and don’t know who Donna the Deer Lady is, listen up. Donna called into the show under the misunderstanding that deer crossing signs are where deer actually cross the road. She wanted all signs moved to places that aren’t so busy. “The weird thing is that it happened one day, we aired it and moved on,” Rat explained. “About four weeks later we started getting calls and it was posted on CNN and MSNBC.” Broken hearts Zero explained one of their worst on-air disasters. “Every single
Valentine’s Day you get the person who wants to propose on the radio. We did a proposal one Valentine’s Day and it went great. The next Valentine’s Day someone called and said, ‘I’d like to propose on the radio.’ We said, ‘Of course. That’s very romantic…’ Well, the girl said no. It seemed perfect because he had a story about how long they’ve been dating. You would think that she would say yes. Well, live on the air she said, ‘No. I can’t marry you.’ She tore him to shreds.”
Where and when you can listen to them You can listen to them at 93.7 FM from 5:30 to 9 a.m. 40 // fargomonthly.com
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Rat was on vacation when we took this photo. However, we like to imagine that he was there in spirit.
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GO // National Act
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Yellow Card Live with All Time Low at the Hub January 20th || 6 p.m. || tickets300.com Interview with Yellowcard’s guitarist, Ryan Mendez FM: Thanks for taking the time to do this Ryan. So, what do you think of Fargo? RM: Unfortunately, I don’t think I’ve spent enough time there to really formulate an opinion. What I know about the city is from the movie so that’s kind of what I immediately think about. (Laughs) I’m looking forward to it because I’ve never spent any time there.
a matter of time until rock comes back. I personally feel like the cycles have been shorter than they are now. We’re in the current state of electronic music and it’s been many years now and I don’t really see it stopping. I hope it does because I play in a rock band so obviously that would be good. (Laughs)
FM: I know you weren’t around when the band started but talk about how the name Yellowcard came about. Y RM: When the guys started the band in high school, the term “yellowcard” was kind of something they used if you were having a house party and somebody would spill a drink, which would be a party foul. Well, people would give them a yellowcard as a warning.
FM: What’s it like to tour with All Time Low? RM: They are some of my favorite people in the world. If I had to choose a band to tour with, they would be the one. They have become some of our best friends.
FM: Talk about some of the changes you’ve noticed in the music business over the last several years. RM: I joined Yellowcard in 2005 so rock bands were still in popular music and top 40. Now that’s pretty much nonexistent. If you look at the top 40 songs in the country, only a handful of them have anything to do with guitar, bass and drums. FM: So is rock and roll dead? RM: That’s the question, right? It certainly feels like this particular cycle of music that’s happening is not ending. Everyone always says that everything is cyclical so it’s just
FM: Finally, do you have a favorite story from your years of touring with Yellowcard? RM: In 2007 we were playing a show in the band’s hometown, Jacksonville. Before the show I was at Longineu Parson’s house and he has a collection of knives. He said, ‘Hey, check this out.’ and he pulled out a super ridiculous knife and it wasn’t seated on what it was resting on properly, so it fell and landed on his hand and cut it all the way to the bone. This is two hours before we’re supposed to play a show. It was awful. There was blood everywhere. We freaked out. We hauled him to the Emergency Room where he got stitched and bandaged up. We then rushed to the venue to go play a show. You couldn’t help but laugh at the whole situation. (Laughs)
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All time low Live with All Time Low at the Hub Music
January 20th || 6 p.m. || tickets300.com Interview with All Time Low’s guitarist, Jack Barakat FM: Thanks for agreeing to do this Jack. First, we have to ask, what has been your all time high? JB: No problem! An all time high for me, on a professional level, would probably be opening for Blink 182 in Europe two summers ago. That band is the reason why we started our band and to share the stage with them was one of those full circle moments. FM: Talk about how the name of the band came about? JB: We got our name from a line in a New Found Glory song called Head On Collision. We had a handful of other terrible names and this was the best of the bunch. FM: Have you ever been to Fargo before? What did you think of the area? JB: I don’t think I’ve ever been to Fargo before, but I have seen the movie. Does that count?? I’m actually really excited about our show there this winter. It’s rare we find ourselves in a US city that we’ve never been before, so it’s always exciting to explore and check out the sites. FM: If you had one day to live and you had to spend it in Fargo, what would you do? JB: That’s a tough one. I guess I would want to sit down with a warm cup of hot chocolate, invite my friends over and put on my favorite movie, “Home Alone”. That or eat as much
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Taco Bell as I can. Since I’d be dying soon, there would be no consequence. FM: Best concert story that sums up exactly what All Time Low is all about? JB: In October, to promote our new record, we decided to do three shows in three countries in three days. It was crazy. The last show was in New York City at a small 200 capacity venue. For the most part, everyone that was at that show was a friend, family member or a fan that has been with us from the beginning. The show was hot, sweaty and one of the best shows of the year. People were climbing all over the stage, crowd surfing, front flipping off the stage; it was insane. We were crammed in a tiny room with the people that are closest to us and I couldn’t think of anything better. That to me sums up an All Time Low show. FM: Where do you see the band in 10 years? JB: Hopefully, continuing to play music. We want to do this as long as people will have us. We love what we do and love all the fans that continue to keep coming to our shows. I’d love to do this for another 10 years! FM: What’s the stupidest thing you’ve ever said to a girl? JB: There are too many and most are inappropriate. (Laughs)
Zach merrick rian dawson To read the full interviews with All Time Low and Yellowcard, go to fargomonthly.com
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Quaker Steak &
Photos by J. Alan Paul Photography Article by Andrew Jason
onâ€™t be turned off by the nameâ€Ś or the risk of motorcycles falling on your head. Quaker Steak and Lube is going to be the new hotspot in Fargo. Their award winning wings and fun atmosphere are sure to draw a crowd. As for those motorcycles falling, the wires are tested to hold 40 tons so you have no reason to fear. Step into the new Quaker Steak and Lube with Fargo Monthly.
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THE SPECIALS Mondays Kids eat free. Magician from 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. Tuesdays All you can eat wings for $12.99. Wednesdays 20 percent off with college ID. Thursdays All you can eat boneless wings for $11.99. Fridays A full rack of ribs for only $15. Saturdays Hospitality industry workers get 20 percent off food. Sundays Two for one burgers from 5 to 10 p.m.
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THE WINGS You definitely want to try their award winning wings. They are available in boneless and on the bone.
HOT...HOT...HOT We challenge you to beat the record number of Triple Atomic wings of 54. It was set by a dentist who novocained his mouth beforehand.
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THE SAUCES They have over 23 different flavors. These flavors range from your run of the mill “Ranch” to the set your tongue on fire, “Triple Atomic.”
THE SPACE Quaker Steak and Lube is ready to host a party. They can hold up to 400 people and have over 10,000 square feet. This makes it one of the biggest Quaker Steak and Lubes in the country.
THE LOCATION Quaker Steak and Lube is at a prime location on 45th St. You can find it at 1776 45th St. S, Fargo.
THE FRANCHISE Quaker Steak and Lube was started in 1974 in Pennsylvania. They have 51 locations throughout the country and have plans to open more in the Midwest starting with a store in Rapid City, SD.
THE BEER They have over 16 beers on tap. Be forewarned. You better be thirsty to order their “Tanker” drink.
THE FOOD Don’t like wings? That’s fine. They have plenty of options to try. They have everything from baby back ribs to grilled salmon.
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TO SEE OR NOT TO SEE? COLLEGE THEATRE IN FARGO-MOORHEAD. Can’t find good theater in Fargo-Moorhead? You don’t have your eyes open. Concordia, MSUM and NDSU all offer robust theater programs and put on numerous performances throughout the year. We took a gander across town and over the river to bring you the scoop. By Nick Proulx
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CONCORDIA Theater has been around at Concordia pretty much since the inception of the school. Part of what the founders were doing, offering plays as part of courses, was holding onto part of their Norwegian culture. They were doing readings and performances of Ibsen and Strindberg along with other Scandinavian playwrights. Theater clubs sprouted up in the ‘20s, and when Alpha Psi Omega (a theater honor society) was founded, Concordia was one of the first schools to hop onboard. Theater today at Concordia is in the Communication Studies and Theater Art department, which offers a theater major. Forty or so majors and 10-15 minors are enrolled at any given time.
“A lot of students who are involved in Concordia’s theater aren’t majors and minors. A lot of people come with theater in their background, and they want to have theater be part of their college experience, but they’re not looking to make a career out of it. As a program, we very actively serve both types of students. The ethos of the place is supportive rather than competitive.” — David Wintersteen, Associate Professor of Theatre
Schedule “Boeing Boeing” by Marc Camoletti and adapted by Beverley Cross Directed by Christian Boy Feb. 14-17 Thurs - Sat at 8 p.m., Sun. @ 2 p.m. Olin Hall Mainstage
“Five Women Wearing the Same Dress” by Alan Ball Directed by Missy Hildebrandt ’13 Mar. 14 - 16 @ 8 p.m. Olin Hall Lab Theatre
“Vinegar Tom” by Caryl Churchill Directed by Dr. Jennifer Thomas April 11 - 14 Thurs - Sat @ 8 p.m., Sun @ 2 p.m. Olin Hall Mainstage
One Act Play Festival Directed by the Advanced Directing class April 18 - 19 @ 7 p.m. Olin Lab Theatre
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NDSU At NDSU, the Little Country Theater is coming up on its hundredth birthday next year. It started out as part of the little theater movement in the early 20th century, which sought to bring art to the people. The idea was that, instead of having to go to Broadway for a show or one of the big cities, everyone should be producing theater. The idea stuck, and NDSU has kept with it since. “NDSU envisions itself as being the model for professional theater in a region where there is no professional theater. That means that our shops are set up so that we have professional designers on the faculty, professional staff running the shops so that all the production work is on a professional model. We’re not just throwing together a show. Our students can step from what we do here, the way we practice theater, easily into a professional setting: The way we run auditions, the way we run production meetings, the way we run our shops, it’s all set up.” — Rooth Varland, Associate Professor, Costume Design
Schedule “9 to 5: The Musical” by Dolly Parton and Patricia Resnick February 21-24 Thurs - Sat @ 7:30 p.m., Sun. @ 2 p.m. Festival Concert Hall
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“The Transdimensional Couriers Union” by John Heimbuch April 18-21 Thurs - Sat @ 7:30 p.m., Sun. @ 2 p.m. Walsh Studio Theatre
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MSUM The theater arts program over at MSUM started way back when the school was Moorhead State College in the early 1960s. Since then, they have offered degrees in acting, directing, theater design and technology and recently added musical theater as an emphasis. In the academic year, they usually put on four to six shows. There are about 85 theater majors at MSUM along with an active minor constituent. On any given show, there are 40 or more students involved. Beyond that, there are the Straw Hat Players, who are a regional summer stock celebrating their 50th year in production. Every year, MSUM puts on a children’s show around Thanksgiving as well.
“Those two things, for sure, set us apart: That we produce an annual children’s show that plays to about 8,000 elementary-age students in the Red River Valley, as well as the Straw Hat Players. We’re the only university that’s producing during the summer.” — Craig Ellingson, Chair and Director of Theatre and Theatre Dance
Schedule “Avenue Q” by Robert Lopez, Jeff Marx & Jeff Whitty Directed by Craig A. Ellingson February 27 - March 2 @ 7:30 p.m. Hansen Theatre
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“Mother Courage and Her Children” by Bertolt Brecht and adapted by Tony Kushner Directed by Patrick Carriere April 24 - 27 @ 7:30 p.m. Gaede Stage
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It has probably kept you up at night but you didn’t know who to talk to. Well, we went to Executive Director, Maureen Kelly Jonason, to ask the important question. What exactly does hjemkomst mean? Drumroll please. It means homecoming, which is appropriate since the original purpose of the Hjemkomst Center was to house the Hjemkomst Ship.
Executive Director, Maureen Kelly Jonason poses with the pride of the Historical and Cultural Society, the Hjemkomst Ship.
Historical and Cultural Society of Clay County Photos and article by Andrew Jason
here’s a lot to know about history and there’s a lot of history in Clay County. In fact, there are over 30,000 pieces in the Historical and Cultural Society of Clay County. That’s where we come in. Before we tell you what you should go see when you visit the Historical and
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Cultural Society of Clay County, we’re going to tell you a little about what they do. They’re housed in the Hjemkomst Center and their mission statement states their goals pretty simply: “to preserve, interpret and celebrate the history and culture of Clay County and the region.”
According to Executive Director, Maureen Kelly Jonason, they do this by collecting artifacts and archives from across the county. They are also responsible for the Hjemkmost Center’s two signature pieces: the Hjemkmost Ship and the Hopperstad Church.
WHAT TO SEE Hopperstad Church
You’ll feel small standing in the shadow of this 72-foot tall church. This is a replication of the Hopperstad Church in Vik, Norway. Artist, Guy Paulson, hand chiseled all the original carvings so it’s a sight to behold. The inside is just as impressive as the outside so make sure you ask one of the admission workers for a tour.
The Boom: 1945-1960 in Clay County
This timeframe shaped Clay County as well as America. The exhibit sheds light on the influential period. It showcases TV, life on a farm and even a bomb shelter.
Now that you’ve learned all about the voyage of the Hjemkomst, explore the ship. When looking at this replication of a Viking ship, imagine the six years of work it took to construct this impressive ship. Even more impressive, imagine sailing this massive ship from Duluth, MN to Oslo, Norway.
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GO // WINE AND DINE
Photo and interview by Andrew Jason
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How did you get started cooking? I was a senior in high school, and I wanted to coach hockey there but you don’t make any money doing that. This buddy of mine said he was working as a pizza guy at this Ma and Pa place back home, so I entertained the idea and jumped in. What do you like about cooking? I’m not an ‘artist.’ I can’t even draw stick figures with stencils. however, with a display kitchen like this, you can look out and see people enjoying themselves. The whole culture here is pretty family oriented. That’s what keeps me coming back every day.” What do you like cooking at home? I have two little ones who will stand on chairs with their own knives and help me cook. They’re seven and eight, and they enjoy it quite a lot. I enjoy cooking Italian. I’m a big comfort food guy. I come from a place where you eat what makes Germans fat.” Do you ever want to run your own restaurant? If I were to open my own place it would be small: Fifty seats, really casual. I’ve seen restaurant owners, and I’ve paid the bills that come in here. That would take the fun right out of it.”
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Harlem Globetrotters 3rd at 7 p.m.
This is fun for the whole family! Not only do fans get to decide the rules of the game, this whole event is full of crowd participation including time on the court, shooting, learning ball tricks, autographs and photos. These B-ball stars have come to show you some talented entertainment. Go to inforumtix.com for ticket information. FargoDome 18 0 0 U n i v e r s i t y N . D r , F a r g o
NDSU Women’s Basketball vs. South Dakota 3rd at 7 p.m.
Support the NDSU ladies as they battle it out against South Dakota. Go to gobison.com for tickets and more information. Bison Sports Arena 16 0 0 U n i v e r s i t y N . D r , F a r g o
Sesame Street Live Elmo’s Super Heroes 4th at 7 p.m., 5th at 10:30 a.m. and 2 p.m. and 6th at 1 and 4:30 p.m.
Grab the kids and come experience the exciting world of Sesame Street. Elmo and friends need your help bringing super-ness back to their neighborhood. Come sing, dance and learn with these fabulous super heroes. Go to fargodome.com for more information and tickets. FargoDome 18 0 0 U n i v e r s i t y N . D r , F a r g o
New Year's Musical Revue 4th at 7:30 p.m., 5th and 6th at 2 p.m.
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Fargo Moorhead Community Theater will keep your spirits going from the celebrations of the new year with this dazzling excursion across various musicals. The musical genres will be as wide as the age range of the people who will enjoy the show. Change up your usual evenings for this rundown of the best of the best when it comes to musicals. The Stage at Island Park 333 4th St. S, Fargo
Young Artists Solo Competition 5th at 1 p.m.
Come and see what some of the FM areas up and coming musicians have to offer. Put on by the Fargo Moorhead Symphony Orchestra. Stick around until the end to see the finalists preform in an open concert. MSUM Roland Dille Center For The Arts 11 0 4 7 t h A v e . S , M o o r h e a d
Bison Football vs. Sam Houston State 5th at Noon
Cheer on our very own Bison Football team as they attempt their second consecutive NCAA FCS Championship game, whether it’s from the comfort of your own home, your favorite sports bar or in the warm Texas sun. BE HERD! Catch the game on ESPN. FC Dallas Stadium Frisco, TX
NDSU Women’s Basketball vs. Kansas City 5th at 7 p.m.
Head over to the BSA and cheer on the Bison women’s basketball team as they take on Kansas City in conference play. Go to gobison.com for more information and tickets.
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Fat Cats 5th at 9:30 p.m.
Hailing from the Dilworth area, these local legends have been playing together for over 20 years! With so many influences and so much time spent on stage, their show is one not to be missed. Plus, all the members contribute to the vocals, so there is never a dull moment on stage! House of Rock in The Hub 2525 9th Ave. S W, Far go
MAC: Stories from the Vietnam War 10th at 10 a.m.
Vietnam War veteran, Randy Wimmer, will be sharing stories from his time serving as a B-52 Navigator. You can hear the incredible and unbelievable story of the raid on Hanoi and Haiphong Harbor, which helped end the United States’ involvement in the war. Go to fmwfchamber.com for more information. Hjemkomst Center 202 First Ave. N, Moorhead
Deuces Wild Dueling Pianos 10th at 7:30 p.m.
Be a part of a wild and crazy experience! Join Dave and Ted as they improv and duel it out on their pianos. If you haven’t been to a dueling piano show, this is one not to miss! Audience participation is a must, which always makes each show unique! Historic Holmes Theater 806 Summit Ave, Detroit Lakes
presents “Face on the Barroom Floor” 10th, 11th, 12th at 7:30 p.m.
Based on a story from a real painting on the floor of a bar in Colorado of a beautiful 19th century woman, this western opera is sure to keep you on your toes. The bartender will tell two different stories, separated by time periods, but with similar characters. You will be taken back to the Colorado Gold Rush where there are love triangles and shoot-outs. Why watch movies when you can hear a story that has been passed down time and time again? Plus, a ticket purchase will get you a free drink! Tickets are $25 beforehand and $30 at the door, they are available at fmopera.org or at the box office – 701-239-4558. Hotel Donaldson 101 B r o a d w a y, F a r g o
Lisa Lampanelli 11th at 7 p.m.
Come laugh along with the high profile insult comic. Lampanelli brings her outragous show to Fargo to shock
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us all. As a frequent on Comedy Central roasts and a contestant on the Apprentice, this girl knows how to make us fall on the floor laughing. Fargo Theatre 3 14 B r o a d w a y N , F a r g o
Tim Mahoney 11th at 9 p.m.
After spending some time on the NBC show ‘The Voice’ and being selected by Adam Levine, Minneapolis native Tim Mahoney is back to Fargo to perform at the ‘House of Rock’. Come sing along to ‘Piece of You’ and other Mahoney favorites. The Venue in The Hub 2525 9th Ave. S W, Far go
Games Galore: “Fight the Frost” 11th at 3 p.m. and 12th and 13th at noon
Do you need an excuse to get out and play in this chilly January weather? Games Galore has you covered. Jump around on 35+ inflatable games and challenge your friends to an intense game of laser tag. FargoDome
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KVLY Bridal Prevue 13th at 11 a.m.
This bridal show is on its 26th year and still going strong. With hundreds of exhibits, it’s the one stop that all brides and grooms can not miss. Be sure to stick around for the style show at 3 p.m. and of course, the $15,000 wedding giveaway following the show! Civic Center 207 4th St. N, Fargo
Fargo Force Storytime 15th at 6:30 p.m.
Bring you kids to the downtown library for them to meet some of thier favorite Force players. The guys will be there reading stories, signing autographs, and smiling for pictures. You even get to make some cool hockeythemed crafts! Childrens room at the Main Fargo Public Library 10 2 3 r d S t . N , F a r g o
A Chorus Line
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16th at 7:30 p.m.
Experience a show that will make you believe in your dreams again. A Chorus Line is a heart warming story of dancers putting all of their sweat, blood, and tears toward the opportunity of a lifetime, being in a broadway musical. Not only has this lasted longer than any other American musical, it is the winner of nine Tony Awards®, including “Best Musical” and the Pulitzer Prize for drama. FargoDome 18 0 0 U n i v e r s i t y D r . N , F a r g o
Blooming Prairie Book Talk with author Candace Samar 17th at 7 p.m.
Join the author as she discusses her newest book “Blooming Prarie”. Hailing from Pequot Lakes, MN, Samar has a deep connection with all things Minnesota. She has even recieved an award from The Bob Dylan Creative Writing Contest. Pick up her book and start reading today to prepare for a nice relaxing chat with her! Moorhead Public Library 118 5 t h S t . S , M o o r h e a d
Adventure RV Center 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th
Stop on by the Civic to pick out your perfect camper for next summer’s road trip. With a wide selection of campers, there is sure to be something for every pocketbook. Civic Center 207 4th St. N, Fargo
Great Plains Harmony Annual Show 18th and 19th at 7:30 p.m. and 20th at 2 p.m.
Great Plains Harmony is a chorus group of 50 men who love to sing. They perform everything from barbershop to vocal jazz. Their annual show will be held at the Fargo-Moorhead Community Theatre. For
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more information, go to gpharmony.org. Fargo-Moorhead Community Theatre 333 4th St. S, Fargo
The Guess Who 18th at 8 p.m.
Head out of town for the night and check out some good old classic rock. These guys are still kicking it and singing their classics like “American Woman” and “No Sugar Tonight”. Maybe you could even win enough money beforehand to pay off your ticket! Shooting Star Casino 777 Casino Road, Mahnomen
Paws For Reading 19th at 1 p.m.
Who wouldn’t want to snuggle up with a good book and a cute puppy! The library will be bringing in reading therapy pets to lend a furry ear to young readers (grades 1-6) to encourage them to read out loud. Call ahead of time to reserve a 15 minute session to yourself. You can reach them at 701-241-1495. Fargo Public Library 10 2 3 r d S t . N , F a r g o
FM Symphony Concert 19th at 8 p.m. and 20th at 2 p.m.
David Itkin will be leading the FM Symphony as part of their conductor search. They will be performing “Three Dances for ‘On the Town’” by Leonard Bernstein, “Cello Concerto No. 1” by Dmitri Shostakovich and “Symphony No. 4” by Johannes Brahms. Go to fmsymphony.org for more information and tickets. NDSU Festival Concert Hall 12 t h A v e . N . & B o l l e y D r , F a r g o
All Time Low with Yellowcard 20th at 6 p.m. Pop-punk is back at the Hub for a double dose.
Come rock all night long with All Time Low and Yellowcard. It may be your only chance to see a violinist playing punk music! The Venue in The Hub 2525 9th Ave. S W, Far go
Grace Potter & The Nocturnals 24th at 7 p.m.
With a voice that has been compared to Janis Joplin, this unique blend of country and folk is sure to keep you interested. Langehorn Slim is opening. The Venue in The Hub 2525 9th Ave. S W, Far go
Cantus 25th at 7:30 p.m.
Relax to the sounds of this 9-piece male vocal a cappella group from Minneapolis. Concordia College Memorial Auditorium 9 01 8 t h St . S , M o o r h e a d
Josef's Annual Fashion Awards 25th at 7 p.m.
This highly anticipated annual event lets the students of Josef's School of Hair Design showcase months of their work and artistic creativity, on the runway. Open to the public, this big city style show, will drop some jaws with their avante garde hair and makeup technique. Mix crazy, over the top hair with loud and artistic makeup and fashion in a nightclub scene and you've got one stylin' night out! Admission is $10 and you can find more info at www.jsohd.com. The Venue at The Hub 2525 9th Ave. S W, Far go
RRV Boat & Marine Products Show 25th at noon, 26th & 27th at 10 a.m. Showcasing the newest in the boat and personal watercraft business, the RRV Boat & Marine Products Show will make you wish summer was right around the corner. Stop by, even if just to close your eyes and imagine you are sitting in a boat on a warm July day. FargoDome
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Chris Young 25th at 8p.m.
Chris Young has been rocking the country music scene. He has five consecutive number one hits, was the 2012 Academy of Country Music nominee for male vocalist of the year and single record of the year. He is also the current winner for the Breakthrough Artist of the Year. Are you convinced to go see him yet? You should be. Go to starcasino.com for more information. Shooting Star Casino 777 South Casino Road, Mahnomen
Sunshine Fest 26th from 8 a.m. – 1 p.m.
The Sunshine Memorial Foundation helps raise money for charitable causes. Knock off those extra holiday pounds be participating in either the 5K outdoor fun run or the indoor 3K walk while enjoying music and other fun activities. Cost is $10 to register. For more information, check out www.sunshinememorial.org Ralph Engelstad Arena One Ralph Engelstad Arena Dr., Grand Fork s
DFC: American Dream 26th at 7:30 p.m.
Watch some of the best fighters from the Midwest battle it out, and cheer on some of our local Fargo boys, at the Dakota Fighting Championships. Scheels Arena 5 2 2 5 31 s t Ave S , F a r g o
NDSU Men’s Basketball vs. Kansas City 31st at 7p.m. Support the NDSU men’s basketball team as they take on Kansas City. Bison Sports Arena 16 0 0 N U n i v e r s i t y D r . , F a r g o
Daniel Bernard Roumain featuring Elan Vytal aka DJ
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Scientific 31st at 7:30 p.m.
Curious what the heck that title means? Well listen up. Daniel Bernard Roumain is known for fusing classical music, hip-hop, concert violin and progressive electronic beats. He will be performing with DJ Scientific who will be beatboxing, spinning and scratching on two turntables. Still curious what the heck is going on? You’ll just have to attend to find out. Go to mnstate.edu/perform for more information and tickets. Gaede Stage 11 0 4 7 t h A v e . S , M o o r h e a d
Advance Auto Parts Monster Jam Feb. 1st and 2nd at 7:30 p.m. and Feb. 2nd at 2 p.m.
There’s something about the sounds and smells of 12 feet tall, 10,000 pound trucks soaring through the air and smashing through stuff, that gets your heart pumping like a little kid at Christmas time. This
is Massive Destruction’s 10th anniversary so you won’t want to miss this. Go to fargodome.com for tickets and more information. FargoDome 18 0 0 U n i v e r s i t y D r . N , F a r g o
American Heart Association 2013 Masquerade Heart Ball Feb. 2nd from 5 p.m. to midnight
This is a great way to celebrate the work the American Heart Association is doing. Join them at the Hilton Garden Inn for a night of masquerade. There will be a silent and live auction as well as dinner and dancing. Last year the American Heart Association’s Heart Ball campaign raised over $51 million for heart health research. Go to redrivervalleyheartball.org to see how you can help and how to purchase tickets. Hilton Garden Inn 4 3 5 1 17 t h A v e . S , F a r g o
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Published on Dec 26, 2012
Published on Dec 26, 2012
It's January. It's cold but 32 Below is hot. (Despite what our cover insists.) We caught up with the NEW 32 Below to find out what exactly i...