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Ted Pike’s Dennis F1 was recently purchased by one of our newest members Chris Wallace.
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Aaron Bischoff
Welcome to issue 179 of the Flyer & Salvage. Thank you again to those who have called to say they are enjoying Flyer & Salvage. I hope everyone enjoyed the last issue in particular the cross word. I was fortunate enough to attend our last meeting held at the Museum of Fire. It was great to see everyone there enjoying themselves, including our country members who made the long journey. A special mention for Glenn of the Fire Service Museum Victoria who attended our meeting. Glenn extended an invitation for anyone visiting down south to call in and visit the museum at Eastern Hill. Not only was the weather great, the BBQ went down well too. Thanks to Mark and the Museum of Fire for extending the invitation to host out last meeting and BBQ for the year. I’m sure everyone would agree, it is really a top class venue. The day finished off with a visit to Ted’s place and a somewhat interesting journey back to Guy’s place in the White Knight. I would like to welcome Chris Wallace to the HFEA. Chris recently purchased Ted Pike’s Bundaberg Fire Brigade Dennis F1. I’m sure Chris will enjoy many hours in the F1 just as I have with mine. And Chris, if you need a copy of the workshop manual, I have one. As always, a big thank you to everyone who has sent in stories and photos. It makes it so much easier putting it all in place and this of course makes for a more interesting read. And of course, submissions of stories and photos are always appreciated. So if you would like something added to the Flyer and Salvage as a regular article, just let me know and I will do my best to add it to the next issue. In each addition of the Flyer & Salvage, there is the “for sale and wanted pages”. Could members wishing to sell their appliances or other bits and pieces please attach a photo when sending the request through to me. This way others can see exactly what is for sale, which I’m sure would help with the sale. And finally, I would like to wish everyone and their families a safe and enjoyable Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year. Enjoy the read.
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HFEA General Meeting The next meeting of the Historic Fire Engine Association will be held on the Sunday 8th February 2009 at Parramatta Park. So if you can, bring the family along with your fire engine. It will be a good time to catch up!
OUT & ABOUT If you have been out and about with your fire appliance, how about sharing your adventure with other HFEA members. So if you have a story or some photos of a recent run or visit, just send an email to aaron.bischoff@bigpond.com and I’ll include it in the next issue of Flyer & Salvage.
Over the October long weekend, Guy with his Dennis Jag visited the old Reptile Park during a run with the Central Coast Vintage Drivers Club.
Guy Ellis’s Dennis ME415 outside the Reptile Park Gosford Page Number 3
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Christmas BBQ Photos
A day out for the Acco’s
Stuart and Brett catching up at the BBQ Page Number 4
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Jim going over Regentville’s new pumper
Ryan’s 1710B International Page Number 5
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Guy Ellis’s White Knight came down for the day
MEMBERS MOTORS Two of our members, Stuart Collins and Neil Crawley, have recently acquired early International C1600 pumpers from the early 1970’s. Stuart has written to say that he is about to embark on the restoration of his C1600, ME462. He is hoping to restore the appliance to its livery when it retired from service in the early 1980’s. He is looking for any information including history or old photos of this appliance. Sadly, the aluminium ladder was relocated by others whilst in storage. If anyone has a 9mtr or an 11mtr ladder, please give Stuart a call.
Neil’s International has had a busy life since it retired from the NSW Fire Brigades. Having served with the Rural Fire Service at Liverpool where it responded to structure and motor vehicle incidents, it also featured in Graham Vatchers book. Having been garaged for a number of years on the South Coast at the Eurobodalla Hot Fire Training Complex (still in service but not used) it is in quite good condition having been repainted since leaving the NSW Fire Brigades. Neil picked it up after it was recently decommissioned from the RFS.
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Stuart’s C1600 ME 462 awaiting restoration
In her prime…..a C1600 International at 13stn Alexandria Page Number 7
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BLAST FROM THE PAST In the following issues of Flyer & Salvage, I will be adding some other old adverts and other flyers that manufacturers produced in days gone by. It gives a good look into the past on how things were done. I hope you all enjoy the historical flyers in particular the workshop manual flyers. Neil Crawley has provided the material for this addition of blast from the past. Leyland were as popular as Dennis in their day and were used widely throughout England and were exported throughout the world. Neil has also added that if anyone is chasing up operating or workshop manuals for the Leylands, they can be obtained from the British Commercial Vehicle Museum. In this issue we look at Leyland’s latest fire engines from a publication dating back to 1931 called “The Commercial Motor“.
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One for the chocolate lovers! I thought the next few pages might help those wanting to expand their fleet but may have a bit of a challenge convincing their better half. Having a bit of experience in this department, I thought I would share my secret. We all know how much our loved ones love their chocolate, so I thought why not use this to my advantage. I need another fire engine I said to my wife. But before she had a chance to say no, I quickly got the next bit in. Cadburys chocolate have one! When it came time for another addition I mentioned that Rowntree’s have a Dennis. So the next time they enjoy their piece of chocolate, don’t forget to slip into the conversation about the old fire engines that protected that little piece of chocolate.
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Hang on tight! And you thought riding in the back of your old appliance was a bit scary. Spare a thought for this crew on board this appliance as they make their way to a call. Does anyone know the make or model of the fire engine?
Corrimal Fire Brigade Opened in 1925, the Corrimal Fire Brigade still operates out of the same location. The station was recently expanded to allow for additional office space and amenities. The station is manned by Retained Fire Fighters. The following is a complete list of the appliances that they have had since the station was opened. Details provided by RFF Glen Boyd.
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Corrimal Fire Station Circa 1964 1925 1925 1929 1940 1940 1946 1964 1973 1980 1983 1986 1994 2003
ME82 ME142 ME187 ME166 ME47 ME243 ME65 ME162 ME433 ME469 ME567 ME137 ME524
Horse Reel (Hand drawn) Horse Cart (Hand drawn) Dennis 250 Pumper Dennis 250 Pumper Horse Reel (Hand drawn) Dennis Ace Pumper Bedford J1 Pumper Ford D400 Pumper Dennis D600 Pumper International C1600 Pumper International 1710B Pumper International 1810C Pumper Isuzu Type 2 Pumper
My new work toy!
I know it does not fall exactly into the old fire engine category but I can’t help but show off my new appliance at work. It is a Mercedes Atego which was built by SEM. It is a medium rescue body with a few modifications to meet out needs. It is equipped with an on board generator, first aid tank/high pressure pump, fire fighting and rescue gear plus our rail specific rescue trolleys and equipment. Page Number 15
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FOR SALE Thinking of selling your fire engine? How about giving thought to selling it to a current member of the HFEA. If you are unable to do this, suggest that the new owner becomes a member of the Association. That way we keep it an active viable association dedicated to retaining the history of a very unique industry. Remember also to advertise it through our members first. We have over 70 members who are always keen to add to their collections And if possible could you please add a photo or two of the appliance. This way people can see what they are possibly going to buy. Anyone wishing to sell their fire engine and would like to have it in the next Flyer & Salvage, could they please email me at aaron.bischoff@bigpond.com.au
ME6 Dennis F2 This appliance has been for sale for some time and now the owner is asking for best offer. It is powered by a Rolls Royce straight 8 engine and comes with brass bell (removed for safe keeping). Engine number is B80X-6E Chassis number is 3234F2. It needs a bit of work however the owner says it is complete. Contact Ray Don on 03 5722 2433BH or 03 5721 4966AH or 0418 573 743mobile
1971 Dennis D600 Jag Series 2 Fire Engine ex NSWFB Comes with a lot of gear. Good condition, but could do with a repaint to make perfect. Currently unregistered, it is located at Albury NSW Price $6000 Contact Steve McLennan on 0438 406 844
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1942 Mack Pumper ME143 ex NSWFB 100% complete and running (only missing hub caps) Needs restoration finishing (painting and getting to roadworthy) Currently located on the Central Coast Price $5000 firm Email guy on firieguy@yahoo.co.uk for photos Contact Guy Ellis on 0414 182 010
Dennis D600 1968 Model Series 1 (Ex NSWFB ME 382) New windscreen fitted, complete new brakes in front end, Officer’s spotlight, radio, scaling ladders, aluminium ladder, all red beacons, spare tyre, hard suction hoses & suction hose spanners, brass suction strainer, strainer basket, electronic siren, rotary brass trumpet siren, driving lights, many spares including brand new radiator and too many other extras to list. Complete history available. P.O.A Contact Kevin Smith on 0417 046 411
Two Dennis D600 Fire Engines ( ME375 & ME 416 ) Both ex NSWFB appliances Includes a large amount of equipment incl ladders, lights and sirens etc One is fully registered, the other is on historic plates Priced to sell as a single purchase or each separately Contact Ian Wilkinson on 0417 43 7236 (BH) or 6355 2711 (AH)
1949 F2 Dennis fire engine The appliance is ex SAMFS. Powered by a straight 8 8L Rolls Royce engine in going condition. At some stage of its life it has spent a couple of years outdoors so some of the timber work has deteriorated. Original ladder intact, open to offers otherwise this machine will be offered for auction in Coffs Harbour, NSW early February 09. Currently kept in a 40' container located in Coffs Harbour.
WANTED Two blank caps to suit 4 inch suction hose (suitable for a Dennis Ace) Two scaling ladders Diamond T pumper preferably the twin seat model Ian Scandrett on 02 4868 1900 or ian@hylands.com.au 9 metre aluminium ladder to suit C1600 International Contact Stuart Collins on 0404 734 531
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DATES TO REMEMBER
HFEA EVENTS
40th Anniversary Historic Fire Engine Association March 2009
NSWFB EVENTS NSWFB FIREFIGHTER CHAMPIONSHIPS No dates advised
CMC EVENTS CMC MEETINGS Held on the last Monday of uneven numbered months at 8pm at Western Suburbs Australian Rules Football Club at 40 Hampton Road, Croydon Park.
Contributors Flyer & Salvage Issue 178
Articles
Aaron Bischoff Neil Crawley Stuart Collins Glen Boyd
Photos/Publications
Dr Barry Hutchinson Stuart Collins Neil Crawley Guy Ellis
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Flyer & Salvage is the official newsletter of the Historic Fire Engine Association Incorporated (HFEA). The HFEA solicits and actively encourages submissions to this newsletter from members and other interested parties. Since many such submissions are published, this newsletter often reflects the opinions and views of its contributors and not necessarily the opinions and views of the Association. All contributions for inclusion in Flyer & Salvage should be mailed to: The Editor, Flyer & Salvage, 7 Berrinda Close Bolwarra Hts NSW 2320 Or emailed to aaron.bischoff@bigpond.com. All other correspondence should be addressed to: The Secretary, HFEA, P.O. Box 520, Kingswood NSW 2747. Flyer & Salvage is named after two of the firefighting appliances that operated from the City of Sydney Fire Station (traditionally known as Headquarters) in Castlereagh St, Sydney. During the early days of the Historic Fire Engine Association, meetings were held at Headquarters Fire Station, and were often interrupted by fire calls. Crews were called to their appliances over the public address system, and the call of “Flyer & Salvage� was the most common. The Flyer was one of three pumping appliances at Headquarters (the others being the Runner and the Second Call). It was the first appliance to leave the station on each fire call in the city area. It was crewed by an Officer and five firefighters, none of whom were allowed to leave the immediate area of the Flyer during their shift. The Salvage motor was designed and equipped to carry salvage and rescue gear not normally carried on firefighting appliances. Most Salvages have now been removed from their traditional homes at the District stations and redeployed at stations which have been allocated primary rescue responsibilities. In this new role they are known as Rescues and respond to all rescue incidents within their area. HFEA OFFICE BEARERS FOR 2008: (elected at the February Annual General Meeting). President Guy Ellis Vice Presidents Shane McDonell Keith Lang Secretary Ray Kelly Editor Aaron Bischoff Treasurer Doug Humphreys CMC Delegate Brian Blunt Events Officers Shane McDonell Registrars Gerard Duck Shane McDonell NSWFB Liaison Ray Kelly NSWRFS Liaison Keith Lang Public Officer Gerard Duck
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