It’s been some time. And it’s been a rough one for everybody. COVID tried to fuck us all over, shutdowns and restrictions slowed down the scene worldwide and it was almost impossible to attend our beloved shows. But… we back at it again and stronger than ever. In the last few years the scene returned with a whole lotta new energy, people and even more passion to the music. We love that. We love how everything keeps evolving and growing. Talking about growth and development - that’s also the case for this issue of our Fanzine!
Runnin’ with the same logo and style for over 10 years now, it was also for us time for a change and a new era of BTL Fanzine. We lately just released our new Logo and the look we wanna keep for the next decade of 100% DIY fueled hardcore related news, stories and content. Literally blood, sweat and… nah, not tears but frustration at some point, was paid to make this issue no. 8 probably the best one we’ve released so far. I know Markus said this regarding issue number 10, but we already fuckin’ back with a new, fancy and full color issue this time!
We’re incredibly proud to present ya’ll a fanzine full of big stories, interviews and facts of our scene around the world. Therefore, it was about time we finally provide all this to you in nglish.
Without the incredible support and excitement ya’ll showed us the moment we decided to work on no.8, nothing of this would have been possible. We appreciate that deeply and want to say thank you for every feedback, comment or idea you gave us through the years. Y’all are the reason that keeps us motivated to constantly improve and work on this project.
nough talk et s dive right into it we hope you en oy icking through our zine and can’t wait to see and hear what you think of it!
Cheers, yours truly
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After brooding in the underground for a while, Scottish hardcore has pushed to the forefront of the Eurocore category. Bands like Demonstration of Power and Despize are touring the US and Asia, selfreleasing their records on their own label Northern Unrest, while organizing their own huge festival
Northern Unfest, of which both the first and second edition were sold out. With this impressive track record, we are very happy to speak to Shaun today, vocalist in Demonstration of Power, bassist in Despize, and amongst the key figures of both Northern Unrest and their festival Northern Unfest.
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Hi Shaun! Fantastic to have you for this interview – to start off, how are you? You are an incredibly busy bee and involved in tons of projects. What’s going on in your life right now, privately and musically?
Hey I’m great thanks for asking. Just as you said, life is super busy for me at the moment. Private life wise, I recently got engaged while I was in Japan and managed to make it as sweet as I could so that was a huge life highlight. Musically, playing in Despize and Demonstration of Power is keeping me occupied for the most part, not even considering Northern Unrest and the corresponding festival. Its a lot right now but I’m lucky to have other people working on all these things with me.
Congratulations on your engagement! Let’s dive a bit into the past –tell us about you growing up and getting in touch with hardcore and heavy music in general. What kind of scene did you find ack in the day hat were the developments you noticed over the years? Which venues in and outside of Glasgow played a special role in you and your friends formative years? What were some shows that you still think of to this day?
Finding hardcore felt like such a long process of connecting the dots of everything I wanted. First dot was finding the ou ube video titled “extreme mosh pit” at 13 years old. he video was ust a mosh compilation cut from the Guerrilla Warfare fanzines with IrateVendetta and Everybody Gets Hurt
played over the top. Connecting the dancing that I discovered rom this to finding punk bands like inor hreat and lack lag in my early teens while going to metal and metalcore shows with my friends basically made me want to find some amalga mation of all of the best parts of these experiences. So eventually finding out about the lasgow scene felt like a huge sigh of relief.
he first real hardcore set saw was when I was 16, and it was rapped nder ce on a very mi ed bill in Cathouse which is a notoriously shitty alt club in Glasgow. he reaction rom the crowd was something I had never seen before but it was exactly what I was looking for. I didn’t grow up in Glasgow so it was tough getting to shows as regular as wanted and it definitely made it harder to know anything about what was going on until I was “all in” so to speak. I’ve seen a lot of changes across the years, as everyone would, but originally the venues I saw for hardcore were Shadowsound (Formerly Arc studios, . . . which was basically ust a practice studio with a stage at the back where everyone could get pished (Editor’s note: Scottish slang for getting drunk), and Audio was used for touring bands which is still used from time to time.
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here was a time in lasgow mainly in Shadowsound, that a lot of these shows were “beatdown” shows and not in the same way as beatdown hardcore shows are now. I’m glad that this is mostly not the case now, all power to everyone to like what they like but a lack of any connection to hardcore music meant there was a noticeable dip in attendance.
A few other shows that stick out or me are witching ongues and Disgrace in Audio, the last War Charge show which was the first time igher ower played lasgow the first time orced Order played Audio and Bluntfest 1 which was dope (despite being in Edinburgh) and was headlined by Renounced and xRepentancex.
hen ettin into hardcore the first Scottish bands I came across were By My Hands, Heavy Hands, Broken Oath, War Charge and Frontline. an you speak a it on their influence to you personally and their effect on Glasgow’s scene? What were some other bands that were (or are still) noteworthy?
I saw most of these bands in my early days of discovering hardcore War harge being the first o the lot. I think seeing a local band like War Charge be able to tour out basically off their own backs was super important for me to notice, guess it ust showed me early on the actual side o hardcore rather than seeing metal bands ust chasing opening slots on shit ty shows at Cathouse (no diss). After War Charge and their era of bands evulsion and d ust were
the 2 that kept the interest alive going forward. All the while being obsessed with Broken Oath who I’m finally getting to see at n est ne t week. Historically Glasgow leans heavy on the metallic side, which is shown with most of the bands mentioned so this definitely shaped a lot of what we’re playing currently.
hat did the way to your first and look like? Did you have any musical training, or did you do it the “punk” way? What was the moment that made you realize that this whole Hardcore thing might be something that you would want to truly be involved in – as in more than the average concert-goer?
I learned guitar through high school and I got guitar lessons for a couple years when I was young but I never really stuck at it or put much effort in. Anything other than learning ra y rain was basi cally self taught but it’s served me well until now. he first band was made up of the few guys from my high school who liked punk. I wanted to have it sound like error but it ended up being too much of a mash up of clashing styles from all members, which I guess is supposed to happen first time round. It took a while for it to really stick that I wanted to do band stuff but eventually getting to evolve and having our first show opening the Forced Order Glasgow date in 2015 was really the first breakthrough or me. etting to know Ross who put that show on in the years since has been awesome and I’m always gonna be thankful to him for putting us on.
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Let’s head over to present times! Tell us a bit about your label Northern Unrest. How did it start, who is involved? Which bands are you currently working with and which releases are you planning (if you can disclose that)?
Northern Unrest started as a means to release Glasgow bands and put on shows for the hardcore community that existed at the time. Since then its grown a fair amount and I’d like to think the current scene in Glasgow represents that. Northern Unrest is run by myself, Ben from Despize/Demonstration of Power and Andy from Despize who umps in or backup and opin ions. We’re busier than ever at the moment on the band front but having the two of them to run the label with helps us spread the load a bit. Ben is truly the mastermind behind most of our recent output we all do our bit. In terms of releases, today (as I’m writing this) we ust dropped the new othin but nemies which rips . ot hin’ else to disclose on that front.
You’ve also started a new hardcore festival which is now about to have its second iteration called Northern Unfest! Who’s involved in it besides yourself? What were your over all experiences with the first edition
here hasn t been an e clusively hardcore fest on that scale in Glasgow ever so to have the support of people from all over, including the bands for being up for coming out, was amazing.
As with the label its Ben and Andy that I’m running the fest with but we’re getting a lot of help from other members of the 4 NU staple bands. Just the same formula as last year. he first edition ran unbelievably smoothly and its something that I know we’re all super proud of to have pulled off.
What bands are you currently involved in and what is your level of involvement in each? What are your personal usical influences when writing music? How do you manage to juggle all of these responsibilities next to your label and your fest?
urrently m ust playing bass in Despize and singing for DoP. For Despize I’m less up involved in the writing process other than saying eah that sounds like Everybody Gets Hurt” or “No that doesn’t sound like Everybody Gets Hurt” but being a part of the label means I’m involved in the other side of things. Basically anything that involves the music post-writing I’ll have a little hand in but everyone pulls their weight in this area. Demonstration of Power I have a little more input from a musical standpoint as well as everything after. I’m not a good enough guitarist to contribute too many riffs but I work with the other guys to realise ideas and all that. Style wise both bands I feel are pretty on the nose with our in u ences, with Despize leaning on the ive fingers o death including Everybody Gets Hurt and Billy Club Sandwich whereas DoP is lifting from Osaka style metallic hardcore like Dyingrace and DeadReforce. Juggling of the 2 is getting hard but its always fun.
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How would you describe touring in the US in general? What were some crazy/fun/memorable experiences?
ouring the tates has been dope every time I’ve been but it can be pretty ull on. he espi e tour with ear o the ni e ruelty ain o ruth and hackled was awesome. We ended up playing ten shows while we were there and met a lot of amazing people which honestly is always my favourite part about touring. It was pretty wild on that tour when a couple pulled a gun in the parking lot of the show in North Carolina.
he show was in a nooker hall so it was full of random people who were ust drinking at the bar a guy got too close and ended up getting hit, freaked out and went straight out to get his gun. Last time I was there to tour was when filled in or Mourning in the north east which again mostly en oyed hanging out with friends and seeing bands that I don’t get to see all too often.
In contrast to the US tour, what and how were your experiences in Asia? How would you compare these tours?
Asia was the best time ever. Obviously I was on a high from getting engaged but as a tour it was unbelievable. Getting to see how hardcore translates in so many different countries was crazy and I saw some of the best dancers I’ve ever seen. Met so many dope people that love hardcore as much as anyone I know back home which was sick, they also don’t get to see as many touring bands so it felt like they made the effort to come out in force. We even played a show on the first day o amadan in alaysia and the kids that showed up were moshing so hard despite fasting. We also lucked out on the bands we got to see, playing with Numb and ruelty in okyo then and in saka was crazy. Shout out to Fight It Out, Dominate, Dozeone, Press On head he en ommandments Unholy11, Superstructure, Destiny, Fuse, xDetesterx and Whispers. he whole tour was a highlight and m ust glad we managed to make it work. Shout out Juri and Asa.
Thank you for giving us all these insights Shaun! To round this up, a little Q & A, for the fun of it! What is your favorite piece of merch that you own?
Well, currently I’m rinsing the Streets of Hate crewneck and hoodie that got at and their ew ork showcase respective ly. OG stuff right now I’d say my Deformity “Murder Within Sin” tee.
Your top 3 hardcore albums of all time?
Impossible question but off the top of my head and in no order: ickback orever War No Warning- Ill Blood orilla iscuits tart oday
Your top 3 non-hardcore related albums of all time?
Again, this is probably not really accurate and ust o the top: Choking Victim-No Gods, No Managers Boards of Canada- Geogaddi Choir Boy- Gathering Swans
Thank you so much for giving us your time Shaun – the last words are yours!
hanks or having an interest in Glasgow hardcore. Stay doing hardcore shit, keep in touch with your riends and en oy the e periences you have together.
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Hey! Hardcore punk is not dead, not even in Europe. There is a young generation that is really up for it and has the motivation needed to give this subculture a new lease of life. Thisis also the case in Switzerland. New bands, lots of shows and peoplebehind them who are getting things moving. We would like to give one of these people the opportunity to say what is on the minds of todays young generation. Listen up! After all, we were all young and fullof drive once.
Hi Franz! It‘s great that you‘ve agreed to answer our questions. lease introduce yourself riefly and if you feel co forta le also with your pronouns. Where do we possibly know you from?
I‘m Franz, all pronouns, I make music in various bands that all sound something like punk and hardcore. Maybe you‘ve heard of Lifecrusher and Divine Sentence, which I‘m in!
How are you doing at the moment? Is it a good time for you right now?
I‘m doing well! I have a lot to do, both work-wise and musically.
My bands have a few releases and tours planned for 2024. It‘s often quite a lot of stress and work, but in the end there‘s nothing that fulfills me more.
Which bands in 2023 particularly caught your attention? Which bands fro the last five years can t you forget?
If we‘re talking about newly formed bands, then I have to give a big shout-out to the German band Phase. I‘ve had the demo on continuous loop for weeks. I‘ve also been listening to a lot of High Vis and Seed of Pain in 2023, even though these bands haven‘t released any new albums this year.
hich ands have influenced you the most in your life? Did these bands contribute to you starting to make music or did other events bring about this decision?
he first band that comes to mind is Green Day. When I was 13 years old, my drum teacher at the time burned a CD of them and gave it to me as a present, which was my entry into this punk thing,
so to speak. Later, bands that inuenced my view o li e and the world are for example Lagwagon, Rotting Out and Have Heart. I was already playing drums before I had ever heard of these bands and only started playing guitar a few years later and independently. The joy of making music was passed on to me at home, where there was always a lot of music and singing. I was in a children‘s choir and played the accordion for a few years, but I wasn‘t fully enthusiastic about these styles of music. It wasn‘t until I sat on a drum kit or the first time that I felt at home on an instrument.
re there still sins of your youth ands you played in before Lifecrsuher and Divide Sentence? What kind of music was that?
There were two bands I played in as a teenager. But neither of them ever made it onto a stage. y first real band was iscom ort of Existence, which still exists today! There are two of us and we play powerviolence, which is even faster and more intense hardcore with songs that sometimes only last a few seconds. We once entered
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a band competition with this band for fun and actually made it from the uali ying round to the final. he and st final is still the biggest show I‘ve ever played and the coolest thing I‘ve ever done.
Do you have a cool or funny pit story that you have experienced and would like to share with us?
When was and had finished my apprenticeship, I used the money I had saved to go to California for 6 months to perfect my English. But mainly I just wanted to have the opportunity to go to shows in LA. One of those shows was Sound and Fury 2016. Funnily enough, I didn‘t have a ticket for it, or rather someone spammed me, but when I explained the situation to the festival staff, I was let in anyway. There I saw Downpresser, one of my favorite bands, who started the set with their intro. At the time, the Downpresser intro was something of a meme song on Twitter, and the pit was accordingly brutal. Towards the end of the song, someone was
knocked out right in front of me and didn‘t get up again. The band interrupted the set a ter the first song, the emergency paramedics were called, because it didn‘t look good for the person. After 20 minutes, “the kid that died” was wheeled out of the venue on a stretcher, and the Downpresser singer took the oor: his song goes out to that kid”. They played the intro again, the audience went crazy, and then their set was over.
What is the mood like in the Swiss hardcore scene? What topics are you currently most concerned about?
To be honest, it‘s been better. You get the feeling that hardly any new people have come along since me and my friends I play with in my bands. The shows are a lot less well attended than when I was playing my first hardcore shows. As with any local scene, members sometimes have stress and personal problems with each other, which makes certain things unnecessary, tedious or even impossible.
But since last year, we‘ve been working hard to make the scene more open and pleasant again, especially in Zurich.
How do you personally feel about the European hardcore subculture at the moment? How do you experience the way the scene deals with harass ent discrimination and violence?
On the whole, I think the European hardcore scene is a pleasant and safe place and I think a lot has happened in the last decade to make women, queers, people of color and other minorities feel more comfortable here. But there are always rotten eggs, people who are gatekeeping or even verbal and physical abuse others to make the scene more homogenous and less open-minded. I think more efforts could be made in many places to counteract these in uences. s a person who is often on stage, but also helps organize shows, I see it as my responsibility to address and eliminate such bullshit, and I think we usually succeed. But there is still room for improvement.
(Queer) feminism and the demand for diversity seem to be slowly gaining ground in hardcore. How have you perceived this so far? In your opinion what topics should the European hardcore subculture be made more aware of so that everyone can feel comfortable regardless of their identity?
In my opinion, most young hardcore kids these days are quite sensitized to queerfeminist points of view. It‘s often different for older people and people who tend to be outside or on the fringes of the scene. In general, we are currently experiencing an overreaction to topics that have become more acceptable in recent years, such as veganism and trans rights. Some of the social progress that has been
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made in these years is being reversed, and unfortunately this development can also be observed in the scene, even if it is not quite as pronounced.
What do you think about the concepts of solidarity and allyship especially in the hardcore scene? What does that look like in practice?
I think it‘s super important that bands and organizers make it crystal clear that no discrimination and no assaults are tolerated in the scene. And I don‘t just mean lip service and the good old Nazisare-shit stage speech. If you notice something, then you should also say something and, if necessary, confront the person who has committed such an assault. Putting words into action, is what keeps the scene clean, in a positive sense.
Do you already have plans for the next few years? Music only or do you have more in mind?
I actually wanted to start studying this year, but at the moment it looks like the second half of the year will be so packed with shows and recordings that I won‘t have any time to study. So that‘s on hold for the time being. Fortunately, my employer is very e ible and allows me to take time off at relatively short notice for band stuff, so I‘m going to stay where I am for now.
Thank you for answering a few questions for us. We wish you good mental and physical health and every success with all your plans. The last words are yours hout outs i portant words for all readers and anything else you want to say.
Listen to the Deconvolution LP, go to shows, start bands, organize, make yers photos and videos nd above all: go vegan
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PROBABLY ONE OF GERMANYS MOST PROMISING YET MOST UNDERRATED HEAVY HM2 RIFF AND BLAST MACHINES.
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It‘s all about the heavy riffs, the blasts and the pure hatred in the vocals. Makhaira from Frankfurt, Germany is a true master of this style, even tho they still kinda fly under the radar. Thank ya’ll for taking your time and getting us some insights of your band, yourself and what we can expect in the future! Really appreciate it brothers! So for everyone who doesn’t know you yet, could you please introduce yourself and your part in the band for the readers real quick?
Flo: Hi I‘m Flo I‘m the singer for Makhaira since 2021, I also write our lyrics and do most of our social media and management things. Before Makhaira I sang for “Carry The Dead“ and played Bass for the band “Rising Anger“.
Phil: My name is Phil and I’m the drummer for Makhaira since 2017. Before joining the band, I played drums in “Human Touch“ and “Done“.
Makhaira has been a band for a little while already. Since I’ve kinda been with you since the very first steps of the band in I see the immense effort and the huge steps you made through the years! What’s on your mind if you think back to the start of the band and did you expect it to become musically what it is now?
Phil: It’s incredible to reflect on the journey from those early rehearsals back in 2017, started with 4 lads, who were all already in different bands, to where the band
stands today. Back when we were just trying to create some sort of heavy unique music, based on the sound of all our favorite hardcore and metal bands. I don’t think any of us fully grasped the magnitude of what we were creating. Expectations? None of us probably expected that the band would sound exactly like this today in 2024 or that it would consist of exactly this constellation of band members. The musical influences change almost daily due to the consumption of new releases from other bands and shape everyone in the band to some extent. But that‘s exactly the cool thing about the hardcore scene and hardcore music, that it is so lively and varied and allows for a lot of changes and creativity.
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But here‘s the thing: Makhaira had a life of its own. It clawed its way out of our collective subconscious, fueled by sweat, adrenaline, and the sheer hunger for expression. We didn‘t just make music; We bled it. And that raw energy – the way it consumed us – was new to all of us and shows in the sound we are trying to deliver as a band today.
Did I expect it? Not entirely. But I hoped for it. I hoped that our riffs would resonate in the chests of our listeners, that our lyrics would echo in their minds. So when I think back to those early days, I am full of gratitude. Grateful for the nightly rides home from a show, the blisters on the hands and the friendship that has developed over the years. Thankful for the fans who shout along to our lyrics at shows, as if they were exorcising their own demons and being part of the band.
You released your first EP “FORCED TO EXIST” back in 2021. The songs where already finished and set up a little before but covid put a big break on your touring plans the release and on Hardcore in general I’d say. How did that effect you guys, did you overthink the already finished songs or was it a sure thing to definitely release them. How did you personally get back into life, “after” Covid and all the restrictions where lowered?
Phil: The echoes of those early rehearsals still reverberate in my mind—the time, the sweat and the promise of something raw and unyielding. Our first EP, “FORCED TO EXIST,” was ready to be released and played live, but then… COVID-19, crushed our plans like a bulldozer. Suddenly, the world hit pause, and our dreams of touring our first weekender with Salvation, of unleashing our music on live stages in Kassel and Leipzig in March 2020, were suspended. It felt like a mosh pit frozen mid-chaos.
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Did we overthink the songs? Due to the fact that our first EP was sung by Chris (Ablaze), after Flo joined the band as a new vocalist, we wondered if it still made sense to release the EP after the time that had passed and of course against the background that the record was sung by another singer. So, despite the uncertainty, we decided to unleash them. We knew that even if the world was on pause, our songs weren’t. The EP was our way to say hello again to the scene.
Personally, I was glad that we as a band didn‘t break up due to the pandemic and were allowed to rehearse again after a certain time without it being forbidden. We‘ve been thinking a lot about what it‘s going to be like to have shows happening and whether it‘s going to be like it was before the pandemic. With the change of the singer we also got a new push and wanted to present the work that went into the songs to the scene and also play live as soon as this was possible. “FORCED TO EXIST”
became more than an EP; it was our way to channel the frustration during the pandemic, the longing, and the sheer joy of being back.
Flo: I don‘t have much to do with our first EP. We only rerecorded one song for YouTube after I joined the band. Covid itself has been an emotional rollercoaster for me. Being able to join the band was definitely a bright spot for me shortly after the pandemic. It was also nice not to feel like criminals when rehearsing with the band and that we could finally go to concerts again and meet up with our friends normally.
Luckily, I was able to keep my job throughout the pandemic, even though I wasn‘t able to work much because i work in aviation and I‘m still trying to make up for the financial hole today. But at least I had the opportunity to process all the shit that‘s in my head into our lyrics and to let everything out at our liveshows.
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The band and the music itself is a true banger. The passion ya’ll put into this is surely recognizable. Everyone in your band has a lot of experience from previous projects – and probably also through work (regarding Emils Job with his own music studio ). Would you say that this makes things more easy – for example in case of writing new songs and recording – or is it probably a thing that makes shit even more difficult since everyone wants stuff to be absolutely perfect?
Flo: Thank you so much! The fact that Emil has his own studio obviously makes the entire recording process easier for us. He usually writes the whole songs and we rehearse them together to see how well they work and everyone gives the whole thing a little touchup. But yes, perfection is the keyword, we all want the songs to be as perfect as possible. Sometimes this
releasing is the title track of the EP and it comes out with a video we filmed with our friend Leif Niemczik. We are also very happy to have a feature from Candice from the Band „Crave Death“ on our Song „Eternal Void“. All in all it‘s rough, metallic, and a bit doomy, can‘t wait till the EP is finally released and you all can hear what we‘ve been cooking over the past years.
also causes various differences because everyone would like to hear themselves the loudest, but Emil is an absolute professional when it comes to mixing and mastering and gets the best out of it for everyone. So you could kinda say he is the main-brain of Makhaira even tho everyone brings in their own ideas and influences in some kind of way.
Secret sources told me, that you’ll be releasing new songs and records pretty soon this year – I guess again through the homies in Death Farm Records. Could you give us a little sneak into what we can expect?
Flo: We will be releasing a 5 track EP called „The Gallows“ this summer. Physically, the whole thing is done again via Deathfarm Records. There will be a limited edition of tapes and merch for the release.The first track we‘re
Phil: Dinner will be served soon and I can only agree with Flo. I‘m glad that we can build on our first EP and even though it might take us longer to finish new music, I think it‘s going to be a bit harder than the previous EP. Good things take time. I would like to say a big thank you to Jason from Death Farm Records. He has supported us over the last few years with his label and made it possible for us to bring our music to the people. Do yourself a favor and check out Death Farm Records and support DIY label.
A few more personal questions to get a better view on what keeps you guys doing what you love to do. What‘s your personal favorite band/s, that you’d say has the main influences on what the sound, the appearance and overall vibe of the band characterizes. I mean, you for sure work on a unique sound and style to set it off from other heavy, metallic hardcore bands – but we all got main influences and bands that we admire!
Flo: I think i speak for all of us when i mention: „Entombed“ as the main influence for our sound. Also need to mention “Nails” and “END” soundwise. I personally listen to a lot of Death- and Black Metal where i take most of my vocal-influences from. But I can‘t decide on a band that I would mention as a personal influence, there are so much good influential bands out there.
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For example I currently have Bell Witch, Thou and Dödsrit in my heavy-rotation. The New Album from Dödsrit is an absolute Masterpiece.
Flo: Our first show with Paleface and Lionheart was very special to me. I mean every „first show“ is something special, but it was also the first time my daughter saw me live on stage, so I was a bit more nervous than usual.
Phil: For me, it‘s always very difficult to name the biggest influences on my taste in music right away. For me personally and the biggest influence on the drumming in the band, I would say that Harm‘s Way, Nails and END have the biggest share. Especially in the process of creating the new record, bands like Frozen Soul and Death Metal in general have a big influence.
A bit more show and future-plan related. What was the favorite show so far you played or attended. Is there some kinda goal you keep in mind? Any fest or show you definetly want to play with the band one day?
Phil: A special show was actually our first live show with Makhaira together with Lionheart and Paleface. Playing with two big bands on one big stage was really nice. One of the most special shows I‘ve been to was in California. Bodybag and Frostbite played there and the evening was unforgettable. Be sure to check out DESMADRE. Here, Carlos from Frostbite sings. One of the most fun events was the Return to Strengh Festival 2023. We would love to play here again in the future. Of course, it would be nice to be able to play a small tour in the near future and maybe one day to be able to play at a big festival like Full Force. I think that every band dreams of playing a big festival at some point, no matter how old you are!
Favorite Show i attended: I have to choose two here. No. 1 was Turnstile at Groezrock 2015, that was absolutely insane. Look it up on Youtube. And No.2 was Amenra 2023 at Schlachthof Wiesbaden, saw them for the first time and their stage presence and show totally blew me away. Go see them if you have the chance! A Goal would be to have a Tour with Makhaira one day, but we are all so busy that it‘s hard to manage for us. Maybe someday. Fest or Show i def want to play: I don‘t care, give us everything! Oh and hey Hellfest if you read this please book us!
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The hardcore scene is always evolving and changing. Like every scene. Specially after covid it seems that a lot of new, young people found their way into the scene – which is a great thing in general to keep it alive and growing. Many new bands popped up, many motivated young people set up shows and put in work. A few things def. changed to “how it used to be” regarding streaming, promotion, etiquettes, social media and so on. How do you personally feel about this?
Flo: After the pandemic, it actually took a while for things to get going again. But I have the feeling that the hardcore scene in particular has quickly recovered from the forced break. It‘s nice to see how the scene is constantly developing and so many new faces are finding their way to it. Whether in bands, as a booker or just because you love the music, the scene consistently delivers. The only thing that has changed noticeably for me is that you have to be much more present online and on social media than before in order to get noticed and get into shows. There are just a hell of a lot of good bands out there that go completely under the radar because they don‘t know how to deal with social media. Therefore it‘s absolutely important that we have people like Manon from Haywire (@keepitmoving.mp4) or Tower (@tower_photography) in our scene that keep supporting known and unknown bands at shows and after that online with their content on instagram and youtube. Also shoutout at this point to you guys for supporting the scene with this print.
Phil: Of course, the pandemic has not only affected my own band, but the whole scene, many livelihoods, many jobs, etc. I am all the more pleased that the scene has recovered well and many new motivated people have found their way into the scene. The hardcore scene thrives on the fact that everyone can do their part, whether with bands, zines or shows, and it is only more than right to support the next generation, no matter how it is. Flo has already mentioned some people who were very active in the scene, still are and are new. No matter in what form, support these people, who usually put a lot of time and energy into their projects like you guys from the BTL - Fanzine do it!
Little quick Q & A to get to know y’all a little more aside from the music:
1: Beer or Coke (drink related haha)
2: Pizza or Burger?
3: Moshing or just chillin and watching the show?
4: Irate or Cold as Life?
5: 2 Week tour overseas or local weekender with homies only?
Flo:
1: Coke Zero for me
2: Vegan Burgers
3: I‘m old and the backpain is real, so i prefer to watch
4: Irate, because it‘s no mall metal
Phil:
1: Vanilla coke Zero all the time
2: Pizza for the rest of my life
3: Since I’m a teacher for sports, I can’t afford it to get injured and prefer it to chill at shows and watch the bands.
4: Irate because it’s going to be the national anthem of the US right?
5: 2 Week tour overseas combined with the homies
Thanks again for taking the time to answer all these questions and giving us a better view on the band, your music, plans and personalities over all! Appreciate it a lot! You know the deal – the last words are for sure yours!
Flo: Thank you for allowing us to be part of this project. Thanks to everyone who was and will be at one of our shows, listened to one of our songs or even bought a tape or a shirt. Your support is absolutely appreciated. Also thanks to everyone who reads this. Keep supporting your local bands and scenes.
Phil: Thank you very much for allowing us to be part of this awesome project and for taking the time for us as a small band. Keep up the good work and thank you to all the people who have supported us since the beginning of the band and will support us. We are looking forward to what is to come.
5: 2 Week tour overseas with the
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Hello Jens, thank you very much for taking the time. Can you tell us soethin a out yourself first
Hi, my name is Jens Schnettler. I‘ve been tattooing for 18 years. Stylistically, my focus is on traditional Japanese tattooing. I‘ve been with my wife for 24 years and we have two teenage daughters. I started playing music as a bass player in my first punk band when was 14. After that, I played guitar in a few hardcore bands for years. Especially with Bobby Peru, we toured all over Germany and played with bigger acts. These included bands like onverge otch rade and Kill Holiday. I currently play guitar in Prison of Hope.
You are a tattoo artist, how did you et into this o is it your drea o
The impetus to become a tattoo artist actually came from the tattoo artist ndreas oenen who I‘ve been friends with for a long time and who did my first tattoos. e liked my oil paint ings at the time and asked me i could also imagine doing tattoos.
I then started to study tattoo history and the visual language of Japanese tattoos and to create designs. After about a year and a half, I ended up at hecker emon attoo with my material and was lucky that uke liked my work straight away and was looking or rein orcements or the hecker emon team at the time. So I was able to start a classic apprenticeship there and stayed or years. ream ob efinitely ooking back it was the logical consequence of the aesthetics o my musical background and the desire to be able to pursue my artistic and creative inclinations in a somewhat self-determined way.
What connection do hardcore and tattoos have for you
For me, they have been inextricably linked since my earliest youth. When I went to a hardcore/ punk show as a teenager most o the bands and many of the older visitors had tattoos. At that time, it was a real statement to be tattooed on your orearm and to mark yourself as part of a subculture that wanted to set itself apart from
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the mainstream. onversely this meant that this marking caused negative reactions or consequences outside the subculture. This uncompromising display o a filiation with this scene which was re ected aesthetically and in terms of content in the wider perception, made a big impression on me. Although the scene is now much more open and tattoos have become part of everyday life, they are still an important part of this music.
hat were your first points of contact with hardcore
came to hardcore via punk. got into it with English and German punk bands like he amned u cocks lime ote osen, etc. When I was 13 I heard ead ennedys or the first time and from there I got into Amrican hardcore punk bands like lack lag ad rains ... hese bands shaped my political attitude. From there I came across the first bands like outh o oday and hain o trength. hey added new aspects for me, such as animal rights and the renunciation of drugs. Through New Age Re-
cords with nbroken utspoken Mouthpiece etc., I had found the oly rail so to speak. t brought together everything that was important to me: the attitude to life, the aesthetics, the political attitudes, the practical ways of doing things and, of course, the music that changed everything.
What differences/similarities do you see between today‘s hardcore and the past
In the past, I felt that there were several hardcore bubbles that didn‘t
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necessarily overlap. That now seems more resolved to me. For me, the significantly higher proportion o women at shows nowadays is definitely a positive aspect, although unfortunately we are still a long way from being able to speak o a scene that is not dominated by men. In terms of content, almost all the topics from back then are still relevant and have become even more urgent. Environmental destruction, social grievances, criticism of capitalism, animal suffering, women‘s rights, racism, etc. are now also ma or issues outside the scene ust look at the vegan alternatives available in supermarkets these days but they are still ar from being resolved.
ou play uitar in rison of ope how did the band come about and how did the na e co e a out
Around the beginning of 2022, Jogges (drums) approached me and asked i would like to play guitar in a new band pro ect. agen voc and eiko git were already there. s was also looking or a band again at the time it was ust the right thing to do. We then asked Felix to play bass. Since it was clear that we wanted to play hardcore in the style of the 90s, we agreed on the band hokehold as the common denominator for our musical direction. bviously we then came up with the name Prison of Hope. Towards the fall of last year, Jogges left the band for personal reasons. After an unsuccessful search for a new drummer agen took over the part in rehearsals which worked so well that we became open to the idea o new vocals. s annika had already sung as a guest at two shows, she was an obvious choice for us. Fortunately, she was up for it.
ou played a show with error how was that and which bands would you ost like to play a show with
Besides the many great, new, young bands, it‘s of course great to get the chance to play with legends that are still relevant today. If I had the chance to play with nbroken I could retire a happy person musically a terwards. aha
Which band can you warmly recomend
At the moment I‘m listening to Faith In Vain by Rough Justice up and down.
Which tattoo artist can you recomend to us apart fro your collea ues fro old as ove attoo
It‘s actually impossible and unair to pick out individual names and not make a page long list here. If I had to name a few, there would be mme hme and ndreas oenen, without whom I might not even be in this profession.
hat else can we e pect fro you and rison of ope
s rison o ope we are looking orward to playing our first show with annika as ront woman on ay 22nd as support for Ancst at Juha West. This year is the tenth anniversary o old as ove attoo. ve been a part o this team or five years and couldn‘t imagine a better place with better people.
It’s been 5 years already since me and my girlfriend first visited Thailand back in 2019, doing mostly all the classic tourist shit and trying to get as much input as possible from the culture, the land itself and for sure the food. What I didn’t expect to happen during that time, was getting the first connections and insights into the Thailand hardcore scene. Since then, the country, the people and the true friendships
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that were made, are the reason why Thailand will always have a very special place in my heart and life.
When you first leave the airport, the humidity, the noise from traffic and the insane amount of people on the streets will hit you like a kick to the face in some heavyweight pit. It’s insane. In 2019, when we randomly looked up #hardcore #punk and all that basic
shit on social media in the second city we stayed in (Chiang Mai), we noticed many postings from one special guy. It was Nuea or better known in the local scene as “Mr. North”. Through Instagram we had a quick chat and decided to meet up. That’s where it actually all started. The next morning, we visited him at his little streetwear, vintage, DIY and lifestyle shop “DEN SOUVENIR”. It’ a nice little shop packed
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with art, streetwear, bootlegs and graffiti stuff. For lunch he took us to one of the most OG food spots in Chiang Mai where they serve the legendary northern dish “Khao Soi”. Probably the best dish I ever atehands down. Served by some old ass dude, that cooks in an almost garage looking spot, where you eat next to chickens that run between your feet. Later that day, he took us to a local punk show introdu-
cing us to the other locals. Punks with spiky heads and hardcore kids were pulling up to the location –ready to get off to the bands that where playing that night. It was all about havin’ fun and soaking up the different vibes of the scene.
This whole thing actually set up the idea of taking a deep dive into the Thailand hardcore scene, which should be on every bands touring
list from now on. To make it short at this point: If you’re still sleeping on the bands, the people, and the Thai hardcore scene in general –you fucked up big time homie. You truly missing out. This time, the trip to Thailand should be focused more on all the real local stuff, meeting again old faces, getting to know new people – built friendships and taking Thai hardcore to the world.
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lready weeks be ore the trip was te ting with the homies out there to make sure we gonna find some time to hangout and bring every one together. t this point we want to introduce to ya ll the man the myth the legend himsel ap.
utpongtorn ap the guy with the thick black moustache and the small green hai nhaler always ready in his pocket is the person that runs angkok hardcore with his label olding n ecords .
he label eatures many o the local bands and is responsible or booking most o the shows in the area. o say the least he and his team are the ones that put on the legendary udgement ight which was the first local show that got more then people showing up and where t phen rom ick back eatured Whispers on stage. ust now they set up together with riends rom ingapore the oncrete ungle with actual uckin ickback playing.
mean wt Whole urope tried to get ickback playing shows and boom the connection ust pulling it o
ust arrived in angkok we liter ally inhaled the first ew hang beers and some bomb ad hai. he ne t day talked to ap and he invited us to his store called hubby oys intage ee he store is located at a night market a little bit outside the center o angkok where we wanted to meet up with him the Whispers guys and a whole lotta other lo cals that are working on all kinda di erent hardcore related stu . t s unny that most o the guys actually have shops at this night market in the same uckin street like 5m apart rom each other.
ter a 5 minute ride through the insane tra fic o angkok we ar rived at the night market and it straight up elt like meeting amily. he guys welcomed us with a smile on their aces cold beers and some hardcore classics blasting through a little ukebo in the middle o the small street. esides ap there was also the whole Whispers s uad and some new aces that haven t met be ore. We got out a ew chairs bought some more beer and snacks rom the ood court around the corner. eady to ust let the night ow and finally kick it o
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We started talking about how we all got into the whole hardcore thing and what made us all in love with that kinda music. ap e plained to me that he got drag ged into heavy music in the early 2 s through some classic u etal eathmetal. What really catched him was his first hard core show and the whole vibe o it with people moshing stage diving and doing sing alongs. guess the things that most o us attracted us right rom the start: he pure energy o a hardcore show
ike the vocalist o Whispers umped in. great guy that is so full of energy and ready to get shit done definitely a real one. e told me that he got into the music at the pretty young age o not even through listening to classic rock and metal rom borro wed s. What truly kicked it o or him back in the days was some live ootage o lipknot. elt that. I remember myself coming from riding my skateboard the whole day long listening to punk stu like ancid to being impres sed by the violence and the power o lipknot atebreed and all the classics o heavy music. ike later admitted he was stuck in hai mo music way too long be ore he finally made the ump the nowa days classic hardcore bands haha.
le Whispers always smiling ri lord had a similar way into it. robably also something we all can re er to. e said he remem bers a riend o him showing him a inkin ark video at an inter net ca leading into scrolling through all the old websites checking out classics like s ay ying and so on. t some point he even tried to sing like all the metal vocalists in ront o the class room. hat day a classmate went up to him and invited him to a local angkok underground show telling him that at those shows the same things happen as he saw on . his was les start into the hard core scene. ooked on the violence unity and energy o the bands.
ew more beers later some more riends o the guys oined our talks and while they were getting the ne t round o snacks or everyo
ne we started talking about the obvious their bands ap who not only runs the label currently started a new band called e re that ust dropped their first in the end o 2 2 . serious 2 ri beast that besides him doing vocals also eatures a ew members o Whispers
With ike and le we or sure had to talk about Whispers their in u ences and what incredible impact their first arok on in had in the uropean scene and the other way also or the hai cene.
ike told me that his own vocal style and also the lyrics are or sure deeply inspired by ickbacks legend t phen essac. e men tioned that erauder and many bands rom the ardcore and s s had a huge in uence on him too. le agreed with that and added that or themselves the
most important thing is to find a mi between s metal hardcore without lackin on an uni ue style that everyone in the band brings into it. nd d say this is or sure noticeable the sound o Whispers and their live per ormances re ect their dedication and passion .
he whole evening elt incre dible familiar and coming from talking about bands and stu we shared memories about touring and the un or cra y stu that happens on the road. t s the same things or everyone that makes these tra vels so special: t s about e ploring different countries, cultures and making new riends all through the same language. ardcore music. asically also the reason why we are all sitting here in the middle o a small street on a angkok night market. i e is uckin wild.
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ne o the most iconic shows the guys played so ar was the one right on the walking street o iam uare. t s a amous shop ping area right in the heart o angkok with a whole lotta lu u ry shops and shit where they pulled up and ust started a show right in ront o the shops. he whole event appeared in one o angkok s most amous morning shows and was titled with eople shocked hundred men ought each other to heavy metal music .
egendary shit orreal. or the guys also apan and the looda e est has been one o the greatest e peri ence so ar but they re already super e cited to be playing in the and at cottlands hardest orthern n est early this year. irst time playing outside . huge step that is more than well deserved
While we were sharing all these stories about shows and tours wanted to know how or i the gov ernment at all reacts to hardcore
shows. ince hardcore was always pretty much against the rules against the mainstream and the odds imagined that here under a monarchy might be some kinda scepsis towards the scene. ap told me that this is not the case. ardcore is still pretty much un der the radar and the government in both ways ust doesn t give a uck. Whether they are against it or make it unnecessary di ficult to put up a show but they also don t sup port the work or the community.
t this point wanted to talk with the guys a little bit more about their scene here. or many peo ple the sian scene e cept maybe the apanese sadly hasn t been on everyone s radar too much. he last years changed that incredibly with a whole lotta bands recogni ing the immense energy the scene here has. he hard work o people like ap and his team and releases like arok on in rom Whis pers hitting the spot with a style that has been missing or a long time put hailand on the map. ap who is basically here right rom the start has seen the scene making big steps in the last 5 years with a lot o
new younger people entering and getting interested. phenomena that is also happening here rn.
thing that is probably a little di erent is how shows are set up. ook ers mi the type o music playing. or e ample: shows here urope are mostly set up in di erent types like hardcore only metal only beatdown and so on n hailand they sometimes ust throw in all kinds o bands and the people are down or it hey are ready to e pe rience something new that prob ably wasn t on their avorite list already that s why the community itsel is so connected and strong.
veryone is there or the party or the heavy music and it seems like there is no genre specific shittalk. While opening up some more beers and having a look through all the badass vintage band and wrestling shirts ap and the guys got in their stores wanted to know how that whole uma hailand Whispers thing happened. le and ike told me that a riend o them uper marketclub.co came up with the idea and introduced the band to uma. he brand supported them with several pairs o uedes and more whilst telling their story and history in underground cultures like the hardcore scene. Win win
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rinking and talking gets every one hungry and since hailand is known or the insane amount o great street ood ust had to ask the guys what their avorite dish is. le was laughing and ust replied ad a rao you can ask every one about my ad a rao . lso ike was laughing since he knew we kinda have a similar avorite: or him it s stir ried pork or crispy pork with holy basil a whole lot o chilis and a ried egg on top. What should say.. this is the god version o ood. verything you throw in the wok with chilis and
holy basil gets insanely good. o i you re in hailand once remem ber this and definitely don t miss out on the street ood culture. ou won t regret it. hat s a promise
t s about 2 am in the morning and the first shops at the market be gan to close. Work shi ts in hai land are so di erent to the ones we know. uring the day basic o fice work co eeshops and small ood spots are open but the real li e starts around 5 pm. hat s when the markets open the people roam the streets and the smell o all the
little street ood courts is in the air. love that and miss that. ain was coming up and we ust moved all our stu onto a couch in ront o aps store. or a ew minutes we ust sat there smoked one and smelled those small green hai inhaler cups everyone here carries with them all the time. orreal this is an absolute and tip or y all. o to eleven and buy one o the herbal inhalers to unclog your nose rom all the tra fic smog the thick moist air and get an e tra kick that s gonna keep you awake... rought like o them back home.
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We ust opened the last ew beers. ost o the shops ust closed and we were almost the last ones at the market. t s been some hours with the guys already but it straight up elt like it s been a minute. he whole team the dumb shit talk in between and all the laughs we had where one o the best times had. veryone was getting ready to drive home somehow.
he wild thing is a driving licen se in hailand only re uires 2 days ap told me. ne or the theory one or actual driving. you think about the cra y tra fic inside ang kok and hailand in general it s hard to believe that there aren t thousands o crashes each day.
ew o the guys hopped on their scooters or the way we um ped into aps car blasting some atecreeper on nearly empty roads and en oyed the night drive through angkok home. per ect ending or a per ect night with people that now call amily and riends. We ll be back or sure.
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little sleepier hiang ai. t s been a ew days in angkok with the homies and while we were missing the nights out at the market we couldn t wait to come back to see uea and the others again a ter uckin years. ight a ter we arrived at the hotel we went back on the streets to surprise him at his shop. he new location was only a ew minutes away rom our place and walking these streets years later still gave me the same vibe as back then. t elt uckin good to be back orreal.
ust popping up there and seeing him work in the shop like nothing changed in the last years e cept the location and that he finally uit that edge stu sorry or the ho mies no o ense here got me the eels. uper happy to see each other again we opened some beers and planned what s up or the night. We decided to meet up with a ew other riends and members o his band he hredder to get some dinner and drinks together. While uea finished his shi t we had a look through all the stu and i can de . recomend visiting this place i you re into all kinds o art cra y little assecoires toys or rare vintage goods.
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n hiang ai everything eels a little more slow a little more rela ed compared to angkok. eople dont t seem to be in a hurry that much and even tho the tour ist are way more then in 2 it still eels more like a small village than hailands second biggest city. uea packed his stu and we were ready to hit the road
ew the unny guy who s always laughing and definitely solid a in the drinking game ordered some local boo e or everyone. o beers only this rum kinda stu or him he said. We all got in the mood to get this night really started and the guys decided to take us to a local club near our hotel.
ter a wild uick scooter ride we arrived at a lil ancy restaurant. ome chill old school hip hop was playing in the background. We ordered the modern version o hiang ai s legendary hao oi and some small snacks or everyone to share the way to go. hree more o uaes homies pul led up. his night we met ew remsit and o ohan. We straight up where on the same vibe rom the beginning and ready to party
he ood was fire and in between smoke breaks and beers uea and me shared some memories o the fist time we met. he scene and the hardcore community here as taken some big noticeable steps a thing you de . recogni e even tho you re not arround all the time. any international bands put hiang ai also on their touring list ne t to angkok. ll cause o the work o uea and the homies that put in work to keep that shit going .
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When we arrived the club wasn t that crowded at first and we ound a good place in the back right at the bar to hangout and order some more drinks. We uickly got the table filled with another round and the guys started to tell us a little more about their scene here.
uea who s running the hiang ai ardcore scene since 2 2 talked with me about his early days. e said be ore hardcore and punk there was hip hop or him and it still takes a big part in his li e. onna tell ya ll a little bit more about that part later. show o the old school hai hardcore band en ath er our chan ged everything or him he said. he groovy and ast style with aggres sive breakdowns and the energy on stage blew his mind. ter the show he went to a guy that s been in the punk scene orever here and asked him What is this style ew years later him and some o the guys we ve been chillin with right now ormed the hiang ai hardcore scene and their first bands.
ince weed is now legal in hailand it s a sure thing people gonna smoke basically everywhere. ne o these people is uea that shit got fired up right in the club but no one out here cares anymore. t s already so established in the community with all the shops and or sure the tourism also blew up even more. t was about 2am when we decided to leave the club and go get some ood.
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he guys took us to one o their avorite spots that is open till ear ly in the morning and o ers a lot o insanely good hai ood. ll the menues where written in hai which is always a good sign and we didn t understand shit. ince we basically are open or every kinda ood and never got disappointed rom the locals choice we told the guys to order whatever they want. lates ull o resh steaming ood filled the table and a ter all the drinks everyone was ready to dive right into it. et me all tell you something i you don t uck with spicy ood or aren t ready to
try stu you never tried be ore cause you only eat your lame ass chicken nuggets or trashy canned tomatoe sauce… don’t come to hailand. said this be ore and ll say it again. or me personal ly this country o ers some o the best ucking dishes ever ate in my entire li e and swear to god d never eat something else i had all these little shops around. ealtalk. ter all the good ood we stum bled back into our hotel. little drunk a little too ull rom the plates we smashed but ready to kick it o again the ne t morning.
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nother morning another day. uea was pretty busy with work in the morning so we decided to ust e plore the city a little more and meet up with everyone later. or the night he invited us to hang out with him and the guys o his band or the rehearsal they have set up. lready e cited to meet the rest o the band uea picked us up and we took the car to a place a little more on the outskirts o hiang ai.
i erent to what m amiliar with is that the guys out here basically rent a whole e uipped studio kinda room or their band. hey got a
drum set whole lotta electronics etc. and a security guy making sure no one that s not listed enters the rehearsal rooms. esides uea and ew we met the bands guita rist and bassist. am who s playing guitar in he hredder showed us around and gave us some seats to sit back watch and listen to the band uckin tearing up that room. he hredder plays some late s early 2 kinda and in u enced hardcore. efinitely some heavyweight shit you also hear that in the lyrics. uea told me it s all about rage hatred and big e in. o check them out i you
haven t yet he guys played their set and it was ama ing. inda elt like chilling in the rehearsal room at home with the guys even tho we re on the other uckin side o the sea. nother proo how welcoming everything here is.
n between the songs we talked a little about everyones personal background and how they got to play the instruments and hardcore in general. ew e plained to me that he s playing drums since a very young age and that even his dad was already playing drums. o guess hit ting that shit hard lies in the amily
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t s ama ing to see that the music itsel is still envolving . ew styles are coming up even tho the genre ardcore already got some many years with ups and downs on its back. he scene is growing every where and m more than happy to see hailand ucking getting what the scene here deserves. damn big spot on everyones radar. he community is hungry young and ready to put in so much work to make it the place we all know and love. ands like he hredder that besides Whispers e y or estiny are already also popular outside are the proo or passion and true dedication to the music.
ter an hour the rehersal was over. We packed our stu and decided to drive back to the city center to get some drinks ood and meet up with some more riends out the scene. uring the drive we or sure whe re blasting some o our personal avorite bands. he guys where very interested in checking out some o europes actual avorites. ne o those bands that s on everyones list is eadbussa rom rance. he guys where already super hyped to be playing with them a ew shows also out here in hiang ai the ne t month on their tour
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When we arrived at the bar a ew o uea s homies where already wait ing outside. ood conversations came up uickly and some o the dudes introduced themselves as part o ueas gra fiti crew. already noticed his street art own draw ings and writings the first time we met him back in 2 . e told me that in the community and scene same like in urope a lot new and young people lately oined. eeing all these new aces getting involved in the street art culture and hard core music is really nice to see he e plained. ince him and the guys kind o started the whole move ment out here in hiang ai it s or sure great to see that it s growing over the years. hat s also the big gest di erence to the scene alot o young and resh people that enter the scene without having any background on heavy music or any thing. ust ready to e perience some thing new and wild without any e pectations o what it should look or eel like. his was also easy to no tice within the group we ust met. eople that uea introduced to me as part o the s o hardcore here in hiang ai mi ed with new aces that ust entered the scene and that still kinda have to proo their dedication and passion about the scene to the others and old heads .
ome riend o the guys oined us. uea told me not to be oo led by his current look he said that this guy was one o hiang ai s real old punks with all the deadass spikey hair and shit. e later showed me the dudes big ass skin head punk tattoo on his chest.
he guy e plained to me that he now has some serious ob kinda governement related and needs to be all classy on the outside but still is punk a on the inside. guess it s not about the places you are kinda orced to be to pay the bills it s about the place you are mentally at and that you keep in your heart. alking about di erent places we spoke about travelling and their personal touring goals. he band went to ingapore where they uckin love he hredder ietnam and alaysia. n their personal bucket list or now is currently ndonesia on place number one or us it s coming back here again as soon as possible.
t was our last night with the guys and we ended it like we started it. With a lot o beers good laughs and a whole lotta o great ood.
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Coming back home after the holiday in Thailand, didn’t felt like coming home. It actually kinda felt like leaving home. We had such an incredible time out there with everyone and the memories we made, for sure gonna last a lifetime. The new friendships and the old ones, that got even tighter, are more worth to me than anything else. The privilege of getting to know all these people and experience the life in their scene is a thing I’m not taking for granted. It’s something that only this special worldwide language made possible. And this language that we all speak, no matter where we come from and who we are, is
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Thank you for the interview and for sure we hope to see you again real soon, here or in the EU! Anyway, I would love to say thanks to everyone who‘s been supporting us, our scene or is interested to catch up on us. It means a lot! Put Thailand and SEA hardcore on the map! Stop asian hate. Peace.“ GAP
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Watch yo back! Whispers 2024 Bangkok Evilcore. Talk shit you get hit!“ MIKE
I want to say thanks to BTL Fanzine and my man Julius for letting me talk to the world. I want to thank all the supporters & fans that buy our stuff. That‘s the only way that keeps our band alive. I truly appreciate that! Thanks to all my Thai hardcore community that keep our scene alive. Thanks to the one and only GAP of Holding On Records. Without this man, the Thai hardcore scene and Whispers wouldn‘t be where it is now.“ OLE
Hardcore is the greatest connection.“ NUEA
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Paris has been a global driver of art in all forms – be it literature, food, fashion, and last but not least music, all with it’s own characteristics. Hardcore from Paris has always had a unique vibe, which has a lot to do with the city it emerged from. Recently, the scene in Paris has had a big surge, and Parisian bands have been making big steps. From touring Asia to sharing the stage with big names like Knocked Loose and Deafheaven, there‘s a lot happening, and in the following, we’ll dive deeper into the past and present with Emile, drummer of both Worst Doubt and Headbussa.
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Hi Emile – thank you so much for making time for this, we’re happy to have you. Let’s start at the very beginning. Think of your upbringing and your first touch points with music. What was it like, who or what pushed you on the path that you are on now? Were there any other musical interests you were pursuing before Hardcore became a thing for you?
Thanks for having me! I think I got into music through my family: my father is a guitarist and always showed me and my sisters cool stuff back in the late 90s and early 2000s. I wanted to learn drums and guitar pretty quickly and started taking
classes around 9 years old. From then I discovered metal which became my main passion until I discovered hardcore around 2009/2010.
How did your journey towards Hardcore look like? Can you think of any bands, shows or releases that still influence you to this day?
Before learning what hardcore was, I already had stumbled upon a few HC bands in my “metal journey” without knowing it was hardcore. My dad who’s into alternative music in general, had a CD of Urban Discipline at home and I checked it out. I was like 13/14 and fell in love
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with it but to me it was just “a type of metal that I love” which was hip hop drums, heavy riffs and a rap flow. Besides that, I was just very into the classic metal bands like Sepultura, Slayer and also Slipknot and Korn. I found out later about the whole hardcore genre with the moshing around 2009/10 with Hatebreed and Terror and had a bit of a corny deathcore and metalcore phase at that point. It was in 2011/12 that I really started to get into the more underground scene at the time with bands like Trapped Under Ice, Soul Search etc. Some memorable first few shows were Breakdown and All Out War in 2010, Cold World in 2012 and Trapped Under Ice in 2012.
Tell us of your first experiences playing in bands and your first steps into the Hardcore scene in Paris. What kind of scene did you find, what were the venues, labels, zines and bands you encountered that left an imprint on you?
I started to go to Paris shows regularly in 2012 when I moved close to Paris (before that I lived in the suburbs kind of far from the city). That’s where I met Hugo (vocalist of Worst Doubt), and we started our
first serious band called Backboned which was kind of a beatdown band. We played our first show with world of Pain at La Miroiterie, a legendary squat venue that shut down a few years later but where we all saw so many cool shows. The scene I found was very welcoming and being 20 years old, a lot of older heads put me on some cool shit like Lockin’ Out Records (shoutout to Paris Edgebreak). It was in this environment that I met almost all the friends I have today. Venues like La Miroiterie, Péniche Alternat (a literal boat), la Mécanique Ondulatoire left an imprint because that’s where I saw my first shows and I kind of miss those days.
Most Hardcore from Paris has always had a rather grimy and rough feeling to it in my opinion. Bands like Hangman’s Chair, Kickback and Providence can’t stop making references to the city, and your own band Worst Doubt has a track called “City of Blight” on your newest EP, featuring members of plenty of other bands from Paris. What would you say is it about the city that has such a grip on the minds of its bands?
It’s gonna sound very cliché and corny but I would say that Paris has a unique identity that kind of makes
you hate and love it at the same time. It is a mix of filth, stress, art and elegance that is quite interesting. And I feel like when you play hardcore or hardcore adjacent music, you’re going to talk about real life so your environment is going to come up and if you live in Paris, you’re going to mention its vibe and energy at some point.
Historically Paris was always a staple in the hardcore world, and it currently has one of the liveliest scenes in Europe. Taking your journey into account what has changed from when you started out compared to today, and what makes its current form unique to you?
The scene had its ups and downs since I was actively going to shows, when I first started it was dope and there was shows pretty regularly and it started to slow down I think from ’15 to maybe ‘17/’18, I’m not sure. Few years after, Covid happened and when we started to have our first shows after lockdown the scene was definitely back. Way more people now at shows, young people who are the same age as when I started. These people starting bands, labels etc which is sick. It’s everything you’d want from a
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HC scene. Now I am going to be a nostalgic boomer for a sec: I miss the shows from when I started because the people and venues all had a more sketchy and dangerous energy and it felt more galvanizing to me. But it is maybe just a perspective I have on it because I was discovering it and 12 years younger.
You’ve been making big steps with Headbussa, as well as Worst Doubt – what does the creative process of each band look like? Are there any distinct themes that are covered in each project?
It is very simple, in Worst Doubt the music and lyrics are written by Hugo our singer, Headbussa music is written by Gaultier (guitar) and lyrics by Loïc (vocals). For the themes I’m gonna say they both cover real life, just with 2 different perspectives from Hugo and Loic. I don’t write shit I just try to bring the feel that’s required on the instrument. Basically wanna make people go nuts.
You’ve been around with Headbussa a lot recently – a Europe tour with Knocked Loose and Deafhaven, as well as an Asia tour with Last Wishes. You basically moved from what I imagine is a very professionally organized tour targeting big venues to something that looked much more DIY within a couple of weeks. How did you experience the contrast? What did you prefer in the end?
Share some memorable experiences from both tours with us.
It was perfect to switch from one tour to another honestly. First one as you said was very professional, so it was very interesting to see everyone work. From the tech team that was with Knocked Loose to the musicians being very focused and serious. It was kind of impressive and stressful at first because Headbussa didn’t do a lot before this tour, but it went very well and we had a good reaction at pretty much every show.
Memorable moments from the top of my head: playing Manchester to a sold out room with 2600 people, the “secret” show at the Boom in Leeds with Bloodfury and friends from UKHC, and amazing catering in Germany. Asia was mind-blowing because none of us had been to Asia before. So any new city or country was just insane for us. People are moshing so hard over there and are the nicest ever. Highlights were the Malaysia show, people went crazy. Both Thailand shows (Chiang Mai and Bangkok), also crazy, and the guys from The Shredder (Chiang Mai) and Whispers (Bangkok) are so dope. Then Japan, stayed a week so we had a few days to visit. It was insane and I was obsessed with the 7-11s there. Tried not to consume too much shit, but I still bought my first Gunpla (Editor’s note: Gundam Plastic Model) and some clothes.
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The last show at the Antiknock in Tokyo was sick, I love Zuma and Ken from Kruelty who drove us on this run.
Funny that you mention buying a Gunpla! I‘ve seen Worst Doubt merch with scenes from the manga Berserk, and there is a long history of media having a big influence on the visual style of bands. Think Kickback‘s Cornered, where the cover is taken from the comic “Faust“, and Bolt Thrower and Warhammer 40k. What media influences you personally and your bands? Who‘s in charge of the visuals in Worst Doubt and Headbussa and what do you personally value?
For WD, the visuals are mostly done by Hugo who does illustrations and Max who‘s a graphic andmotion designer. Hugo takes a lot of influence from comics, mangas, anime and graffiti. Max has a more cold and graphic approach to artworks that takes more influence in noise music and old Japanese movie posters. For Headbussa, it is mostly Gaultier who drives the visuals and he is more into late 90s and Y2K
eerie horror stuff, like Silent Hill and Aphex Twin, but also classic hardcore stuff. Generally speaking, we‘ll take any-thing that we like and make it our vibe since we consume a lot of media that fuels inspiration. I personally love stuff like the movie Jacob‘s Ladder, ambient music, and any-thing that‘s kind of dark and eerie. There‘s too much shit that influences us, so it‘s hard to give a concise answer.
Before we finish up, time for a few quickfire questions if you don’t mind.
If you could collaborate with an artist – living or dead – on a record, who would it be?
What’s the weirdest and/or most unexpected place you ever played?
Definitely Chiang Mai under a night bazar. Also playing in the streets of Paris with Worst Doubt in 2017.
Thank you for taking the time for this, Emile!
Kirk Windstein from Crowbar.
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Death Farm Records is a small DIY Hardcore Label from Belgium, runned by Jason. I talked to him about his business to get a view behind the sences of labelwork.
Hi Jason thank you for your time! How are you, what‘s going on in your life right now? Introduce yourself to the people please.
Hey man, thank you for doing this! I‘m good. Pretty busy managing a full time job in shift and DFR and all you know - but I can‘t complain! Im Jason, 34 and I work in aviation (aircraft maintenance). I‘ve been around in the hardcore scene since 2004-2005.
Tell me a little bit about the history of DFR. How and when did you start, what was the motivation to do a label? Who is behind the label - is it only you or do you have some helping hands?
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So before DFR, I was in RNRVT, a small DIY label based in Germany. After a few years doing really cool stuff like Bodybag, Arkangel and more, we called it a quit and I was kinda the only one that wanted to keep going. So a few years later, I still wanted to do stuff like that so I started DFR. I can do everything but graphic stuffs, so my friend erv who also plays in utrified J with me, jointed as a graphic designer. Zalé and Fafou jointed the team after that and we are now all pretty busy with this. So basically I take care of everything like dealing with bands, ordering stuffs, shipping stuff and so on and they do all the visuals. I couldn‘t do anything without them.
You release a lot of cool stuff besides tapes and CDs like a lot of different merch. Who is responsible for their production? Do you produce locally
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/ship from Europe? And do you remember any funny or crazy stories with your partners/shippers like lost stuff, trouble with the customs or any unexpected things?
In the digital age, physical music sells less and less. But the hardcore scene remains a collector scene! Physical will always be cooler than Spotify if your ask me. As for pins, I love them but they don‘t sell that good. I really wanted to make that kind of cool little items and I will keep doing it no matter what. Speaking of merch... well, name me one hardcore kid or metalhead that does not have at least 50 band shirts in his closet! Merch is the best. I personally like simple designs so we try to keep it good looking and simple for all the merch that we do. Everything is made in Europe exept for the pins.
We order them in China because its half the price of what european factories ask for. If we want to keep the price fair, thats how it only works. All our merch is made by Epidemic Screenprinting in Berlin. Shout out to them for their good work. Over a little more than three years of existence, I shipped a lot of packages. Im very used to it now and usually if you order on the website, your order is shipped on the next day because I can easily drop it on my way to work. I don‘t get tired of it. I sadly don‘t have any fun stories about packing/shipping. I would only say that I hate preorders because some people tend to forget that small passionned structures such as DFR aren‘t fucking Amazon. You always get messages, sometimes rude, with unhappy people that can‘t understand what a preorder is. That‘s why we almost never do preorders.
Please tell me about the process of a release from start til it‘s uploaded in the shop - how complex is it? Is the process the same for CDs and tapes or are there any differences?
Sometimes a band hits us up, sometimes its us asking the band. Most important is that we like the music. From that, we offer a deal. If the deal is accepted, we only need material to work with like visuals, logos, live pics, the songs of course and so on. We put everything together and always show the end result to band for their approval. Nothing is ever done without a band‘s green light. Once we get that approval, everything is ordered. CDs take about two weeks to get to us. Cassettes up to three to four weeks. And that‘s basicly it. Nothing is difficult unless you make it di ficult
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Have you ever thought about releasing vinyl and what’s the reason for your choice?
So, CD and cassette are pretty easy and fast to make. Vinyl takes forever and the costs are, of course, way higher. But what bothers me the most is that it gets damaged so easely during shipping. So to avoid a lot of unhappy customers, I dont really want to make vinyls at the moment. I like it as easy as it is now. We are actually making our first vinyl in april a collaboration release with Force Of Reckoning Records from the US. We will see how that goes and if it gives us the will to go that way.
What’s the reason for choosing the name Death Farm? Where did that name came from and what connects you with it?
I chose the name from a Japanese death/murder VHS from the late 90’s named Death Farm. Cool name with a dark background. I made sure I did my research online to see if anybody was already using it and I didn’t really found anything. Actually, we recently did merch with that original DF VHS logo revamped for us. Death is a very personal thing and we are all going this way.
How did you get in that heavy music thin ell e a out your first e periences id you re e er your first CD/LP/MC you bought from your own oney nd what was your first show
Mostly because of my dad that was listening to stuff like Guns N’ Roses, Suicidal Tendencies, Rollins Band, Hellacopters, etc at home. He was a punk when he was younger. I can’t
remember what my first show was. My dad used to take me at shows even when I was a kid, same for some local rock/metal festivals. I remember my first purchased with my own pocket money tho! It was “Ill Nino - Revolution/Revolucion”. I still have that CD and still love it to this day. Before hardcore I was a u etal kid still am today . y first 100% hardcore show was 25 Ta Life in my hometown in 2004 or 2005.
How do Spotify and Co affect physical releases? Are there still enough people who buy music as physical copies?
The digital age! Physical copies sells less and less. Like I said above, we are in a collector scene. Now I just do a limited amount and consider a repress if it sells good. I also use pofity a lot. ts an ama ing tool.
ow is a s all la el doin finan cially? Are the costs covered or do you even ake a s all profit
We are now at a comfortable level where everything is covered. We don’t put anything from our pockets. here are profits being made but we re-use everything to make more. Thing is, that Europe loves taxes. So if you don’t spend your money, they will take it as taxes. We do as much stuff as possible. It’s not about the money. No money goes in our pockets.
I know you do the label beside your normal job. How much free time does DFR take and how do you manage that?
A lot. It became an obsession for me. I always think about it, am always on my phone to check on stuff, talk with bands and people. I would even pause the movie I started to pack orders that just dropped. Sometimes its a bit too much and I try to chill haha. Its all about the passion, I don’t count the hours. Like for the Lifeless/ Whispers/Sentence drop, the following week for me was: 6am-2pm at the airport and then 3pm till 7pm packing orders. Fun times.
What can we expect in the future?
Any projects in your pipeline you want to tell us about?
We are always cooking ! Planning stuff months in advance. Let’s say a legendary German band is coming in May and that we are just about to announce something for one of our favorit band from Pittsburgh. It’s nice to make well known bands that we love like Arkangel or Kickback. But it’s also important to give a chance to the new bands and young kids like Broken Ankles or Weak Link ! So we also have new/
young bands coming out.
Before we come to the End let‘s do a quick Q and A:
Favorite newer band?
Missing Link.
Mosh or just watching the show?
Watching. I would come out of mosh retirement for only a very very few bands.
Newer Slipknot?
Nope.
Favorite food?
Pizza forever.
Top 5 records of all time?
No particular order: Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Shattered Realm - Broken Ties ... Spoken Lies
36 CrazyFists - A Snow Capped Romance
Lifeless - NLFTW
Irate - 11:34
etfli and chill or party hard
Chill. I dont party.
Thank you for your time again. The last words are yours.
Support your scene. You don’t have to buy to support. Sharing is caring.
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the crazy shit, sippin Modelos in ast and eatin fire ass tacos at Ave 26.! I‘ve seen you in your ups and downs and your development through the years also musically regarding your part as a hardcore vocalist. I feel like Desmadre is the thing you’ve been working your ass off since then and I’m glad it truly pays off now. So for everyone that doesn’t know you already – please introduce yourself to our readers!
very short time of a project called “Final War”. Tell us a little bit about
the first steps of the and the thin s that inspired you musically and how the idea of it all evolved. Like was it a save decision to put Frostbite down and start something new or was it just a side project in the beginning?
Fucking Oiiiii bruv! I’m Los, vocalist for DESMADRE and exvocalist for Frostbite. Born in Los Angeles raised here half my life, spent some years in Pomona and now I’m back in the beautiful city of Angels. I miss you man! Can’t wait to have you visit again. Get some micheladas at the Santa Fe Spring Swap Meet, smoke some big doinks and fuckin destroy In-n-Out!
Same brother, same! I remember listenin to the very first son s of legendary Frostbite back in 2013 on “Un Desmadre Bien Hecho” there was a song called “Desmadre” on it already. Before Desmadre there was also a
That’s kind of where we got the whole idea for the name, from the album name and song. It’s a word that holds a lot of meaning. It’s the state of the world we currently see and live in. DESMADRE in English simply means, chaos. Chucky and I had ups and downs with Frostbite. It all started as a fun project for friends to enjoy and it was some great times, made many friends through it. (You being one of them). We realized we had been a band for 10 years and just wanted to do something different. We decided to give our music a different style and sound and we knew it wouldn’t work as Frostbite. We made some changes within our sound and members, had a vision and went all in. Creating Desmadre. As for Final War that was just a small project that I started with some friends. All good dudes. Ricky is the homie and plays for Human Garbage now.
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Desmadre for me is the true meaning of Los Angeles Hardcore, the representation of the latino culture there and I see, listen and read it in the lyrics, that y’all put your heart in it 100%. The moment when legendary “Foos Gone Wild” shared one of your first short videos ust have een an incredible feeling for you – and probably the proof that you did everything right so far. What was going through your mind that day?
When it was first posted re member how fast it blew up on social media. It was exciting because it was something new for that FGW fan base. Chucky and I were really stoked because it connected us to another world aside from hardcore. Most of the fan base being mostly Latino/ Hispanic fans. We got tons of following off of it, it was sick and it gave us a drive to go even harder. It was a 50/50 feeling. We thought it would get a bad reaction because of the millions of haters out there. We killed it. So fuck all the haters.
For many people out here there is probably one question they all have in mind, when they check out your merch, videos and live sets. What’s that thing with the clown nose and the face paint about haha?
Hahahaha. It kinda came to me during the pandemic. I was doing a lot of psychedelics and I just kind o figured mysel out. ve always been a clown. My whole life since I was a kid. Through the lyrics and DESMADRE I’m exposing the person behind the nose and makeup. Who is there to cheer up the clown when the clown is sad?
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The shows you lately played all looked absolutely insane. The LA Hardcore community is incredibly strong and all the people showing up, going off wether it’s a serious club or just some fuckin backyard, is amazing. What was your favorite show you played so far? I mean the Aztlan/ Xibabla release… bro. I wish I could have been there with y’all!
All the shows have been my favorite I can’t even choose one. Every time we have shown up the crowds and love for us have grown bigger and bigger and I love that for us. To be honest man, the Xibalba Atzlan was probably the craziest one we’ve done. Me Chucky Luis and Nate planned it in a weeks notice and it was fucking crazy. Gathered a bunch of dope bands to play along side us and it went off!
Like I said, I’ve seen you going through hard times, good times and life pulls it’s strings in weird and frustrating ways sometimes. The loss of your sister touched us and for sure me, since I saw how hard it hit you. A few month ago you not just put her name on your neck, you also dedicated a song to her. How did it feel to write such an emotionally loaded song and did it help you get through the pain in some way? Do you like playing it live – I’d say it’s an incredibly great way to remember and honor her every time you play it.
Grief is a never ending roller coaster of emotions and thoughts. The highs and the lows. I just hope I’m making her proud. When I wrote memories all I can say is how I felt at the moment. I say “trust the timing in your life” in the song because
when my sister passed away she was was wearing a shirt with those exact words on it and it always haunted me. The haunting words she left with me. I just try to live my life by those words a single day at a time. Im only human...
A probably more simple question. What are your plans for the future with the band. I know you’re down with the homies in Lionheart and they’ve played Europe a lot. Any chance to have you playing here in the near future? I know it’s probably pretty difficult since a erican o s and holiday regulations aren’t as fle i le as the ones over here lso since many of you are dads, it’s not that easy to be away for so long. Also, are there any LP plans cookin currently?
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We wanted to pay our respects and love to a band that has been apart of our lives for more than a decade. We all grew up and came around the same community and it was about time we made that collab happen. Nate and Xibalba have been a big part of the bands we’ve started and basically our lives. Who better than Nate? Someone who has done so much for the community and is much of a true representation of what it is to be part of the culture in hardcore.
We have a lot planned for us in the future, one of our biggest announcements this year was getting on Sound and Fury. I can’t say too much but just know we don’t plan on slowing down or stopping. I feel like we are just getting started, what you’ve seen is just the beginning of the desmadre. Much love to our good brothers in LIONHEART they’ve supported us from the jump and we are eternally grateful. We’ve had talk about coming out that way with them so I’m hoping it happens soon. They kill it out there. As for us, stay tuned!
In the LA hardcore community it seems that everyone is pretty well connected and close to each other. I know you and the homies in Xibalba been friends basically forever... so it was probably a sure thing that there will be a feature some day. What was the idea behind your latest release and the featured song “Clowning around” ?
One last question I just have to ask. Who the fuck came up with the cumbia idea. I mean I fuckin LOVE that shit and pullin out this fire banger is another proof how serious you take representing your roots and the latino community. Im almost 100% sure it was Chuckys idea haha!
Hahaha that was all Chucky’s idea, he kept talking about how he wanted to make a cumbia and he
did it. He wrote it and sang on it and it came out so fucking good. I feel like it took a lot of people by surprise because it’s obviously out of the ordinary for a hardcore band to do. We got our homie Frosty to play the accordion on it and he’s been in many corrido groups so he killed it on the song. Be in the look out for more stuff like that.
Again – Thank you so much for taking the time to answer all these questions brother. I truly appreciate it. The last words for sure are yours - much love!
Thank you for this interview and all the love and brotherhood you have shown us for years. I can’t wait to have you come out to the states again so we can party! Can’t wait to bring the DESMADRE over seas!
DESMADRE IS ETERNAL. BIENVENIDOS AL DESMADRE. FUCK P DIDDY. PURO PINCHE DESMADRE HOMIE!
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Written by JÉRÔME
For a few years now, Germany has been experiencing an incredible phenomenon. The hardcore scene is flourishing in every conceivable corner of Germany. Young kids are forming bands or collectives, putting on shows and keeping the scene going. Since the “end” of the coronavirus pandemic at the latest, German hardcore is back and experiencing a new springtime.
I have long since come to terms with the fact that this does not apply to my home city of Karlsruhe. All the efforts made in recent years by a variety of players to keep the hardcore scene
alive have been too big. The disappointment is just as great when you book one of the biggest German hardcore bands and only 30 people showing up, half of them not from this city. Looking enviously at the growing scenes in Germany, I asked myself: How can it be that a city with 300.000 inhabitants, the perfect highway connections, proximity to three other major cities and a great infrastructure has almost no existing hardcore scene? I took a step to the Karlsruhe Hardcore archive to find answers and also interviewed the person who is holding up the torch for hardcore in Karlsruhe.
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When I first took a step into the Karlsruhe scene around 2011, there was almost no end to the number of shows, festivals, bands and collectives. Every weekend several events with different styles of hardcore took their place all over the city and it was up to you to decide which show you wanted to go to. The organizing team around New Noise was (and still is) particularly active and brought not only local but also international bands to Karlsruhe. Their New Noise Festival and its offshoots were absolute highlights in everyones event calendar, which were looked forward to with a mighty Fear Of Missing Out. The scene was utterly saturated, whether it was hardcore, beatdown, emo or deathcore - people just came to be part of it. Even shows of local bands back then had similar attendance figures to shows by wellknown acts today.
You might have guessed it already: New Noise was THE wire puller at the time. A huge percentage of all hot shows took place under their banner. The collective has been organizing shows and festivals in and around Karlsruhe since 2005 and is deeply rooted in Karlsruhe‘s hardcore history. Exactly their own festival was discontinued in 2017, after a disillusioning event. It was emblematic of what will happen to the entire Karlsruhe scene from now on. It fragmented into small interest
groups. Some people stopped going to shows because they thought the playing bands were just too dull. Others no longer wanted anything to do with metallic hardcore. And still others no longer wanted to offer a stage to a “soft” band. The result of this division was that the average number of people attending shows fell dramatically. It is probably clear to everyone that such circumstances always result in a massive downward spiral, from which both, community and culture suffer enormously. Not enough visitors, no growth in the scene, fewer and fewer local bands, which in turn led to fewer shows and even more falling visitor numbers.
The sudden downward spiral of the Karlsruhe hardcore scene probably had several causes. Jan Abele (Bass in Soulprison) sees a problem in the Karlsruhe audience and their need to belong to something very special: “In the 2010s, a lively hardcore scene flourished in Karlsruhe, also thanks to Art Can Robert in Rastatt. There was a strong DIY culture, but over time people became tired and more exclusive. Big events drew the crowds, while local
and neighboring bands were neglected. When Gone To Waste called it a quit, a show in Karlsruhe, put on by myself, was left behind with just a few visitors, coming from other cities, while many people from Karlsruhe suddenly flocked to their last show in the Pott area.” Jan experienced the glorious 00s and 10s in Karlsruhe and for him it‘s clear: “A lot of people were no longer interested in the bands, it was just about to be seen. At the same time, all the local bands fell asleep.”
Well before the 00s, things actually looked utterly great in Karlsruhe. Micha Kuhn (Vocals in Cop an Attitude) experienced those golden times. He was already active in the 90s and remembers a scene, that sound like a wet dream to me: ExSteffi, an occupied area in Karlsruhe downtown. Tons of local bands. Madball, Murphys Law and Wawn in a youth center in what is now a showcase district. Merauder and Kickback in Jubez, which now basically only hosts some snob assjazz shows. I love our digital age with all its possibilities but if there was a chance to experience one of these shows, I‘d be there in a heartbeat.
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Of course, you can‘t just stand by and watch. And one person definitely doesn‘t do that in Karlsruhe. I‘ve known Nico aka Children Of The Grave Bookings since almost the first day I crossed the threshold of hardcore. With his band “Cold Case” he was also trying to gain a foothold musically at the time. For me, Nico and his guys mistakenly stood for the elitist shit part of Karlsruhe hardcore. I spoke to him about his work as a booker in Karlsruhe aka Dead City and how he sees the development of the scene.
Hi Nico! You are the person behind Children of the Grave-Bookings. Tell us a little bit about who are you, what you do, what hardcore does mean to you and how you did end up where you are now?
of the P8 collective, but “Children of the Grave-Bookings” is more or less a one-man show. For me, hardcore means seeing the things that are going badly in the world, but looking at where you can make things better yourself rather than falling into self-destruction or self-pity. Hardcore is certainly also a safe space to let anger out. Personaly speaking, hardcore means energy that drives me through the days ahead, even after the hardest pits. For me, hardcore means DIY, a small stage, no barriers, no star allures, a stage for everyone.
For many people, the corona period was a huge upheaval, and the hardcore scene was no exception. We see new local scenes and bands sprouting up everywhere. How do you perceive current developments in your local scene - Karlsruhe?
Since the scene has shrunk quite a bit, even before the pandemic, I would answer the question more generally and agree with you for now. I also see that something is happening in many places, be it in the Palatinate, Nuremberg & Franconia, Switzerland or Stuttgart and the Baden-Württemberg hinterland. A lot is happening here in terms of new bands, bookers and venues. Keep it up! I‘m also pleased to see how many bands with women are currently at the start and how relevant they are.
Hi, first of all, thank you for your interest in me and my work. I‘m Nico from Karlsruhe. I‘ve been part of the hardcore scene since I was about 14, which is now more than half my life, and have been going to shows in a wide area ever since. From 2012, I tried to support the (then still existing) local scene under the name “Fächerstadt Hardcore” and did my first shows in 2012 and 2013, especially in Halle14, the predecessor of the (old) p8. In 2015, there was briefly a band called Cold Case, in which I sang, but only the real OGs will remember it. After Halle14 in Karlsruhe‘s Rheinhafen became p8 in Karlsruhe‘s Nordstadt district, I started “Children of the Grave - Bookings” in 2017 and have been doing a lot of gigs since then, mainly hardcore, but also punk rock, metal and acoustic music. After the Covid pandemic in the new P8² in Karlsruhe-Bulach. At the same time, I became part
for a few years. The festivals and shows certainly socialized me to a large extent, so here‘s a huge shout-out for that. There were also quite a few bands from Karlsruhe and the surrounding area for all kinds of hardcore back then. There are now a few hardcore punk bands from the area, a few metalcore bands and the emo/indie/pop punk corner is also catered for, but unfortunately no moshier or metallic hardcore. I‘d say the scene here is informal. You know each other, the bands and the organizers and you can always count on seeing a few familiar faces at shows. But that also means that, as is probably the case everywhere, new and younger people are very welcome!
What difficulties do you encounter when organizing hardcore shows?
What makes the Karlsruhe scene special for you? Or, conversely, are there points where you see potential for improvement?
When I got into hardcore, the New Noise Fest, a national, annual hardcore festival, had been around
Basically, there are all the difficulties that come with organizing any kind of event. For hardcore shows, there‘s also the fact that you‘re usually working in the diy area, which means that your own work is paid little or not at all (financially). This should not be the aim. In contrast to other events, our beloved mosh pit naturally also harbours a risk of injury and potential for conflict that should not be neglected, both between the audience and the location, where you as the organizer stand in between, as well as within the audience itself, which may have different opinions about what is and isn‘t acceptable.
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Counties, cities and municipalities promote cultural programs in different ways. Is there anything left for hardcore aswell?
As I work completely independently of this, I can only say a little about it. After the pandemic, the P8² naturally received the familiar help, which ultimately also helped me when a poorly attended show was intercepted. However, I don‘t know how it looks like for other bookers.
What advice would you give to people who would like to organize shows?
don‘t go it alone, don‘t be afraid to ask for help, see what‘s going on in your area, get local bands in as often as you can, don‘t do things half-heartedly, don‘t book everything just because you‘re asked nicely, look carefully at the bands you want to book, don‘t let tour bookers make you look stupid, clean up after yourselves and don‘t take an eternally long name.
Don‘t do it. Doing shows is the coolest and shittiest hobby at the same time. Talk to people who do shows, get all the arguments against it and if you still want to do shows, then maybe you have the madness it takes. That‘s what the realist in me would say, but as a hardcore kid I want there to be hardcore shows every day in every town, so here‘s some serious advice:
Great shows have been running under the COTG banner for several years now. What has been your personal highlight so far?
After the pandemic and the move to the new P8², we had one of the first shows there in April 2022 with Guilt Trip, Peace Of Mind and Soulprison and our biggest hardcore show to date. Our biggest concert overall was in February ‚23 with Messa, a fantastic doom metal band from Italy. However, my personal highlights are not so much the concerts, but the encounters and acquaintances that arise. I consider it
to be a great privilege that I can now go to concerts in many cities and always meet lots of familiar people and receive a warm welcome. Sure, there are sometimes evenings when my social battery is a bit depleted and I‘d just like to enjoy a show and jet off afterwards, but I have to say hello and goodbye to half the room first, but in the vast majority of cases I‘m very grateful to have met so many people and bands through hardcore.
And is there a big dream lineup that you would like to book?
Oh, for dream line-ups you have to look at festivals like Ieperfest, Outbreak, Jera on Air or the RTS. For example, I also think it‘s amazing how “Schicht im Schacht” can fill two days with almost exclusively German bands. I booked bands early on that I look back on with pride, be it because they do no longer exist but I still celebrate them, or bands that I booked early in their “career” that are now at the
top of the game. But the list of bands that I would have liked to have been there but are no longer there is also long. I now do fewer shows than I used to, but that also means I do more to my own taste. Last year at the beginning of December I started the first P8² Hardcore Winterfest, which will be an annual thing for me. This year it takes place at the end of November. In addition, I‘m trying to plan a regular Straight Edge Fest. The first edition of it will probably take place in mid/late October. Feel free to follow me if you‘re interested! Internationally, the most exciting bands for me are Drain and Speed, they are very welcome to come by.
Thank you, Nico, for your time!
saddest fact. The thing is, when young people start complaining about a local scene that in its pure essence should be youthful energy, you know something isn‘t right.
I already know the number one question, people will ask themself, when they read this article: “How old is this dude and why does he sound like a absolute boomer?“ Well, I can tell you, I‘m not even that old. And that‘s maybe the
Despite all the frustration, it has to be said that the basis for hardcore in Karlsruhe is actually there. We have great venues such as the Alte Hackerei with its incredibly iconic owner “Plüschi”, the new P8², the Z10 or the Art Can Robert in Rastatt. We have great organizers as well as people who want to keep culture alive. Only hardcore - somehow we don‘t have that.
Like the economy, the flu epidemic or fashion, hardcore also lives in recurring waves and phases. Since 2017 at the latest, Karlsruhe hardcore has been in an absolute slump, a depression. Normally, there should be an upswing at some point. The whole of Germany is currently experiencing this. When will experience this Karlsruhe too?
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Written by Sergio c.
Hi Simon, you are the singer of Devastate. Tell us a little bit: How did a hardcore band in the South German outback come together?
Hi Sergio and thanks for having me! After the Corona pandemic, Maxi (bass) and I were thrilled to start our own project. Maxi then learned how to play the bass pretty fast and the rest of the band gradually joined from our extended circle of friends and acquaintances. So now we are a five piece band shar ing the stage. The interpersonal relationships clicked right anyway! We came up with our name much later, when the songs for our demo were almost finished. ter some discussions we decided on “Devastate“.
You guys come from the deepest part of Southern Germany. Is it more difficult for you to uild up a fan ase there compared to a bigger city, or is there already a well-established hardcore scene?
Yes - Tuttlingen is located near Lake Constance, and it‘s just an hour away from Switzerland. Unfortunately, there‘s no real active scene in Tuttlingen itself as far as shows are concerned. But there are a lot of people who like to attend shows in the surrounding area, so the local support was a certainty for us. As soon as random people started asking us about previous shows and songs, we realized that our live performances also resonate well outside of our familiar environment. Considering how awkward we were during the first rehearsals that‘s quite a step forward. Anyway or most o us it is the first band of our own.
You released your current EP “Another Life Is Lost“ at the end of September 2023. Could you please tell us something about the creation process and the lyrics behind the release?
It was clear to us that we didn‘t want to wait any longer for the EP after the demo in May 2022. We have already played the songs live several times. Consequently, we chose songs that fit well together musically. Unfortunately, lyrically nothing is directly connected. However, in general we are expressing our anger and frustration about the world, and in parts, about ourselves.
Did you want to differentiate yourselves from other bands when you recorded the EP?
Technically, we wanted to take a step forward compared to the demo, and I believe we achieved that quite well. The rest was handled by Jérôme (IG: @thecult_ prod). Our only request towards him was: “Similar to the demo, but with way more chug!”. And we believe he did a wonderful job. Generally speaking, standing out from other bands was never our primary goal. The most important thing about the band is that we ourselves are convinced of the result. We‘re always trying out new things in rehearsals so the final evastate sound is still a long way off.
hat do you find uni ue a out hardcore or the hardcore scene?
Nothing else in the world gives me as much energy as being at a show or listening to a good record. Also, the scene has become increasingly open and friendly in recent years, with more and more new faces showing up at shows, which is just enjoyable!
As an avid Magic The Gathering player. Have you inlcuded any elements such as cards or characteristics into your songs?
Not directly, but Magic The Gathering & other Trading Card Games s certainly have a big in uence
on my vocabulary and sentence structure. Flavius has also written some lyrics; he usually comes up with a complete song right around the corner. Personally, I draw most of my inspiration from the frustration of everyday life or current events in the world, even though I‘m otherwise a rather cheerful person.
What future do you see for hardcore in southern Germany?
By now Stuttgart, Freiburg and Karlsruhe have proven to be true strongholds of Baden-Württemberg Hardcore. There are some good bands here as well, such as Minus Youth, Soulprison and Deadweight! Additionally, smaller venues and bookings are increasingly popping up, attracting many young people to shows. Moreover, more bands are daring to venture down south. The scene is growing
Finally, what has been your favorite show so far as an audience member and as a band member?
As a visitor, it was probably my first eturn o trength est back in 2015. Light It Up, Method Of Proof, Suburban Scum, Felony and a ton of other good bands. It‘s hard to top that. s a band definitely the shows in Freiburg! The shows Alex from Valara (E2T-Booking) puts on there are amazing. The crowd is always on fire right rom the start o the intro. Singalongs & crowdsurfers – it‘s crazy. Playing there feels almost like a hometown show!
Thank you, Simon for your time!
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BETWEEN THE LINES FANZINE ISSUE NO. 8
Released May 31. 2024
EDITORS
Julius Kolberg & Jérôme Schlögl
LAYOUT & DESIGN
Julius Kolberg & Jérôme Schlögl
AUTHORS
Sergej Raitman, Hubert Schoon, Julius Kolberg, Sergio Cornelsen, Jérôme Schlögl, Philip Helbig
TITLE
Pictures used for the Title by Thitiwat Suksai, Joe Altmann, Laura Spadafora, Leif Niemczik
NORTHERN UNREST
Pictures by Declan Breckon & Joe Leitch
THE NEW GENERATION
Pictures by Ronja Hackbart
MAKHAIRA
Pictures by Leif Niemczik
JENS SCHNETTLER
Pictures by Jens Schnettler & Marc Linkenheil
THAILAND HARDCORE
Pictures by Julius Kolberg, Lisa Kochems & Thitiwat Suksai
PARIS MADNESS
Pictures by Kevin Vankeirsbilck, Dave Buchanan & Laura Spadafora
DEATH FARM RECORDS
Pictures by Jason Lambert
DESMADRE
Pictures by Joe Altmann
KARLSRUHE DEPRESSION
Pictures by Josi Hoffmann & Ann Buster
DEVASTATE
Pictures by Peter Voppmann & Kelvin Stegmann
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