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cnobilma qarTvelma musikosma, daTo evgeniZem, CvenTan, Tavis Semoqmedebasa da cxovrebiseul gamocdilebaze isaubra. artisti, aramxolod qarTveli aramde, ucxoeli msmenelisTvisac saintereso kompozitori da Semsrulebelia. is musikas filmebisTvis da Teatraluri warmodgenebisTvis wers.
_ cxovrebaSi rogori personaJia daTo evgeniZe?
_martivad SemiZlia gagceT pasuxi, giJi, giJi var! gravitacias ar veqvemdebarebi, iciT raSia saqme?! me cxovrebaSi Zalian patara asakidan Tavisufleba avirCie, Tavisufleba mindoda da ase vcxovrob. _Tavisuflebas rogor gamoxatavT?
_ar viyo damokidebuli araferze. zogi damokidebulia fulze, narkotikze, miliardi damokidebuleba arsebobs, rodesac Sen raRacaze damokidebuli xdebi, Tavisufali aRar xar.
_Tqveni cxovrebis personaJi Tavisuflebis survilma Seqmna Tu warsulma ganapiroba ? _warsulmac. Cemi dis, lias, gardacvalebam, im dRidan Cemi cxovreba Seicvala. gega kobaxiZe da Cemi da erT dRes iyvnen dabadebuli. lias gardacvalebis Semdeg gega dabadebis dRes ar aRniSnavda. plus uaxloesi megobrebi viyaviT me, gega, irakli Carkviani, levan abaSiZe. ise gamovida, rom arcerTi aRar aris cocxali... Cemi megobrebis Taoba gaqra, is, vinc marTlac epoqa Seqmna: gio xuciSvili, tato kotetiSvili, gogita Wyonia, irakli amirejibi. Cemi valia, rom isini Tqvens Taobas gavacno. _rodis dainteresdiT jaziT?
_ara var me jazmeni, es tyuilia. vqmni musikas, romelic sinTezirebulia. mxolod Cems kompoziciebs vasruleb.
_Tqven SeqmeniT proeqti quCis musikosebis monawileobiT.
_marTla Zalian kargi protoeqti iyo. zogadad, me Tu raRacas vakeTeb, es arasdros keTdeba piradad CemTvis. axla daviwye solokoncertebis Catareba. am proeqtis farglebSi uamravi niWieri quCis musikosi Seikriba erTad.
qarTveli mosaxleoba bavSvTa gaSvilebis araerT tragikul istorias icnobs. dakarguli da-Zmebis emociebiT savse Sexvedra mayurebels, msmenelsa Tu mkiTxvels mudam gvris sixarulis cremlebs. bavSvebs garkveuli Tanxis sanacvlod aSvilebdnen. amgvar garigebebSi farulad CarTuli pirebi finansuri keTildReobisTvis mSoblebsa da maT Svilebs erTmaneTs samudamod aSorebdnen. sastiki istoriis msxverplni tyupi debi ano sarTania da Tako xvitia arian. tyupebma erTmaneTi 19 wlis Semdeg ipoves. 19 wlis ganmavlobaSi araerTi damTxveva, eWvi, Sinagani qaosi, gaurkvevloba sdevdaT gogonebs Tan. Takom da pirvelad niWierSi dainaxa, kiTxvebi: rodis gavedi niWierSi? me aq saidan? mis gonebas ar tovebda. kiTxvebze pasuxi gogonebs arasdros miuRiaT. maT cnobismoyvareobas mxolod imiT akmayofilebdnen, rom yvelas yavs oreuli. fiqri imaze, var Tu ara ayvanili tanjavdaT. raRac uCveulo kavSirs mudmivad grZnobdnen. ano tiktokze waawyda dis videos. Sinagani areuloba izrdeboda, Rvivdeboda da did qariSxlad iqceoda. erTmaneTSi sakuTar Tavebs xedavdnen, is nawilebi iyvnen erTmaneTisTvis, romelic mTeli es dro akldaT. erTdroulad gagzavnili Setyobineba: „ramdeni xania geZeb“ , amaze naTlad mowmobs. erTmaneTs pirvelad kovid pandemiis periodSi Sexvdnen. pirbade moixsnes da TiTqos SiSi daeuflaT. ojaxi Seikra. erT-
maneTze Zvirfasi dRes aravin yavT. saukeTeso megobrebi, erTmaneTis sulis megobrebi arian.
_ano, mSobeli dedis pirvelad danaxvisas, ra emociebi dageuflaT? _Tako dedas exuteboda, tiroda, magram me... arvici, momentalurad fiqrma gamielva, rom TiTqos me ar Camexuteboda, arvici ratom. gulSi Camikra, saxe ki ar mecvleboda. ver gaviazre ra unda gamekeTebina. ar mogatyuebT, veraferi vigrZeni.
_Tako, SegiZliaT Sexvedris momenti gaixsenoT, ra SegrZnebaa Tvalwin ixilo adamiani, romelTanac kavSirs 19 wlis ganmavlobaSi grZnob?
_anos metroSi Sevxvdi, daqalTan erTad idga. iciT, TiTqos SemeSinda. irgvliv xalxi ireoda, magram CemTvis mxolod ano arsebobda. mixvra-moxvra, xelis moZraoba, Rimili, mimikebi imdenad identuri iyo, rom gavogndi. ki, SemeSinda, warmoidgineT TiTqos sarkeSi iyurebi. dReebi damWirda realobasTan Sesagueblad.
baCi sulamaniZem kariera 1978-1981 wlebSi daiwyo. pirveli nabijebi operatoris asistentis rangSi gadadga. Semdgom ki kinooperatori gaxda. fotografiiT axalgazrdobaSi dainteresda. sxvadasxva mxatvruli filmisa da klipebis gadaRebaSic monawileobda. 1992 wlidan dRemde araerT universitetSi kiTxulobs leqciebs Temebze: kadris gamomsaxvelobiTi kultura, fotokompozicia, fotovideoreportaJis ostatoba, fotoJurnalistika. gTavazobT intervius baCi sulamaniZesTan.
_ rodis dainteresdiT kinooperatorobiT ?
_mecxre klasidan. cota ,,xuligani“ biWi viyavi da bavSvebma maCuqes fotoaparati, romlis gamoyenebac ar vicodi. Semdeg cixisZirSi gadaRebas Seveswari. ar vici, zustad mag dros gamiCnda Tu ara interesi, Tumca Zalian momewona procesi.
_rogor fiqrobT, ra aris kinematografiis yvelaze mniS-
vnelovani elementi?
_kino iseTi xelovnebaa, rom erTi aspeqtis gamoyofa SeuZlebelia. scenari, reJisura, musika, mxatvari, msaxiobi, grimi, am yvelafers reJisori aerTianebs Sedegis misaRwevad. _ SezRuduli resursebiT gimuSaviaT?
_mTeli cxovreba ase vmuSaob. sanam warmatebas mivaRwevdi, bevri ubedureba gamoviare. ar mRirsebia wesieri asistenti, gamnaTebeli. gundis wevrebi mudmivad arafxizel mdgomareobaSi iyvnen. erTi prizi momces safrangeTSi, romelic Cemamde arc
Camovida, dakarges Tu moipares, ar vici. 1987 wels pirveli filmis plakati miviRe, romelic studiaSi maqvs gakruli. Semdeg sxva filmebic gadaviReT. warmateba aris kargi adamianoba, rac yvelaze rTulia.
_gqoniaT Tu ara gadaReba eqstremalur situaciaSi?
_diax, TviTmfrinavidan gadaviRe svaneTis ulamazesi buneba.
erTxel gadmovxti kidec. saintereso gamocdileba iyo.
_saqarTvelos romel kuTxes gadaiRebdiT?
_ocneba maqvs, rom Semodgomis raWa gadaviRo “BBC-s“ formatiT. samwuxarod, es yvelaferi did finansebTan aris dakavSirebuli.
_ra iyo TqvenTvis yvelaze rTuli gadasaRebi da ratom?
_wyalqveSa gadaRebebi, radgan sinaTle da mzis sxivi wyalSi saaTi an saaT-naxevari muSaobs. am drois ganmavlobaSi ver aswreb mTeli
kompoziciis awyobas. erTi patara kadrisTvis oTxi kvirac ki dagvWirvebia.
_raime kuriozs xom ver gaixsenebdiT?
_araerTi kuriozi gadamxdenia. me da kaxi kavsaZe gadaRebis dros WaRebis maRaziidan gamogvyares. milionerebi vegoneT. ifiqres rames SeviZendiT, magram Ratakebi aRmovCndiT. kino iseTi sferoa, yvela gadaRebaze raRac xdeba.
_ ra aris Tqveni hobi?
_fexburTi, curva da Zalian momwons velosipediT seirnoba, aseve, Tavisufal dros jazs vusmen.
_ras urCevT axalgazrdebs?
_ ganaTlebis miRebas. es aris erTaderTi ram, rac gadagvarCens.
„Ramis Sous“ formati 40-iani wlebis bolos radioTi daiwyo da Semdeg telesivrceSi gadainacvla. 50-iani wlebidan dRemde is sazogadoebis erTerT sayvarel formatad miiCneva. misi popularoba garkveulwilad gamowveulia imiT, rom „Ramis Sou“ Zalian hgavs axal ambebs. im gansxvavebiT, rom qveyanaSi mimdinare movlenebs wamyvanebi iumoriTa da sarkazmiT gvacnoben.
„kacebi“ eTerSi pirvelad 2008 wels gavida telekompania imedis eTeriT. mas Semdeg mravali plaTforma gamoicvala. gadioda „maestroze“, pirvel arxze, youtube-ze. gadacema moicavs: sxvadasxva rubrikas, cnobil saxeebTan gasaubrebas, TamaSebsa da sxva. misi wamyvanebi arian: daviT labaZe, giorgi janeliZe, irakli kakabaZe da irakli vaxtangiSvili. „kacebis“ Tanawamyvani, iumoristi da scenaristi, giorgi janeliZe, popularul qarTul iumoristul Ramis Souze gvesaubra:
_ rogor moxvdiT Ramis-SouSi ,,kacebi“?
_ me Ramis Sous scenaristi viyavi da im studiis TanadamfuZnebeli, sadac ,,kacebs“ viRebdiT. aseve, aqtiuri TanamSromeli da TavisTavad, Tavidanve wamyvanad ganvixilebodi.
_rogor fiqrobT, ratom
airCies Tqveni oTxeuli?
_ra Tqma unda, sxva oTxeulic SeiZleboda yofiliyo. garkveulwilad esec kargi damTxvevaa.
_romeli plaTformaa „kacebisaTvis“ gankuTvnili?
_Cemi azriT „kacebi“ gankuTvnilia radiosaTvis. epoqaSi rodesac televizia ar arsebobda es iqneboda super gadacema.
_Tqveni azriT, ra aris ,,kacebis“ mimarT amxela siyvarulis mTavari mizezi?
_iumoristul Souebs ZiriTa dad hyavs avtori, sulisCamdgmeli da msaxiobebi, romlebic ekranze Canan. es msaxiobebi, avtoris Canafiqrs, scenaris mixedviT aJRereben. radgan Cven scenari ar gvaqvs, yvelaferi bunebrivia, amitomac davimsaxureT auditoriis siyvaruli.
_rom ara ,,kacebi“, sad iqnebodiT dRes?
_televiziisgan Sors ar viqnebodi. rodesac ,,Sua qalaqSi“ gaqvs gadaRebuli, ukve garkveuli reputaciaa am sferoSi, SekveTebic geqneba da saWiro xalxi TviTon gipovis.
_ra rCevas mogvcemdiT axal Taobas?
_iyaviT Seupovarni! Tavidan Tqvens saqmeSi ar gadagixdian imdens, ramdensac imuSavebT, magram imis sakonpensaciod, rom dabal xelfass iRebT, Tqven aseve iwyebT reputaciis dagrovebas.
qarTuli Teatrisa da kinos msaxiobi, nino gaCeCilaZe farTo auditoriam „Ccd-Si“ kato kirvaliZis roliT gaicno. misi kariera 2003 wels marjaniSvilis TeatrSi daiwyo. karieraze, samomavlo gegmebze, ocnebebsa da gamocdilebebze msaxiobi Tavad gvesaubra.
_ rogor daiwyo Tqveni samsaxiobo kariera?
_msaxioboba Zalian spontanurad gadavwyvite. arasdros mifiqria am profesiaze. jer mxatvroba mindoda, Semdeg balerinoba, magram, bolos, roca qoreografiul saswavlebels mivakiTxe, aRmoCnda, rom baletisTvis ukve „didi viyavi“. spontanurad miviRe gadawyvetileba, Camebarebina Teatralur universitetSi. miuxedavad imisa, rom Cemi ojaxi (gansakuTrebiT mamaCemi) winaaRmdegi iyo, mainc Cavabare da movxvdi gogi margvelaSvilis jgufSi.
_vin iyvnen is adamianebi, romlebmac gavlena moaxdines Tqvens karieraze?
_es adamianebi iyvnen, pirvel rigSi, is pedagogebi, romlebic maswavlidnen TeatralurSi (gogi margvelaSvili, manana berikaSvili, leila kapanaZe da sxvebi)… da Semdeg ukve is reJisorebi da msaxiobebi, visTanac momiwia muSaoba marjaniSvilis TeatrSi.
_ra iyo yvelaze didi gamowveva, romelic SegxvedriaT karieraSi da rogor gadalaxeT es „dabrkoleba“?
_yvelaze didi gamowveva msaxiobisTvis is rolebia, romlebTanac ar hqonia Sexeba. CemTvis yvela axali roli axali gamowvevaa da didi interesiTa da enTuziazmiT vudgebi TiToeul maTgans.
_iyo Tu ara raime konkretuli roli romlebmac gavlena moaxdina Tqvenze karieris dasawyisSi?
_ diax, iyo aseTi roli. semuel beketis piesaSi, „bednieri dReebi”, mTavar rols, vinis, vTamaSob. es aris absurdis Janris piesa, romelic Cemma megobarma, giorgi afxazavam dadga 2001 wels Teatralur universitetSi da
romelic 20 wlis Semdeg aRvadgineT. axla ukve Tbilisis kameruli Teatris scenaze vTamaSobT. _arsebobs raime konkretuli teqnika an meTodi, romelsac eyrdnobiT? _arsebobs konkretuli samsaxiobo teqnika, am SemTxvevaSi, „stanislavskis meTodi“, romlis mixedviTac Cven am profesias gvaswavlidnen TeatralurSi, Tumca droTa ganmavlobaSi, roca sxvadasxva masalaze muSaob, sxvadasxva reJisorebTan, SegiZlia gansxvavebuli teqnikac mosinjo. vxelmZRvanelob mixeil Cexovis samsaxiobo teqnikiT, romelic Tavad gaxldaT stanislavskis moswavle, mogvianebiT man SeimuSava sakuTari teqnika da gamosca ortomeuli, romelic aris Cemi samagido wigni. nebismieri personaJis Seqmnisas msaxiobs evaleba iyos maqsimalurad gulwrfeli jer sakuTar TavTan da Semdeg mayurebelTan. damajerebloba da organuloba Cveni upirvelesi amocanaa. rasac sakuTar Tavs ver davajerebT, imas verasodes daijerebs mayurebeli. _aris Tu ara saocnebo roli an proeqti, romelSic gsurT monawileobis miReba momavalSi? _ saocnebo rolebi adre mqonda, SedarebiT axalgazrda asakSi. axla im rolebs asakobrivad ar Seveferebi. am etapzec maqvs, ra Tqma unda, ramdenime sasurveli roli, romelsac siamovnebiT viTamaSebdi, Tumca amas saidumlod Sevinaxav. _ra rCevas miscemdiT damwyeb msaxiobebs? _ erTaderTi rCeva, romelsac mivcemdi maT, aris is, rom uzomod unda uyvardeT is saqme, rasac akeTeben. Tu gadawyvite, rom msaxiobi unda gaxde, amas mxolod movaleobis moxdis mizniT ver gaakeTeb. am SemTxvevaSi, daitanjebi. Tu giyvars es profesia, maSin nebismier sirTules gauZleb da moerevi. siamovnebas unda ganiWebdes is, rasac akeTeb, esaa mTavari! _riT xarT kidev dainteresebuli msaxiobobis garda? _ferweriTa da fotografiiT. cota xnis win daviwye xatvis kursebze siaruli, es saqmec did siamovnebas maniWebs. vfiqrob, roca davberdebi da scenaze TamaSs veRar SevZleb, xatviT gavirTob Tavs, es iqneba Cemi hobi.
reJisori natalia galogre inkluziuri Teatralur dass 2019 wlidan xelmZRvanelobs. dRes dasis repertualSi 8 moqmedi spektaklia. nataliam interviuSi isaubra dasis samomavlo gegmebze. maTi mizania, SSm bavSvebis SemoqmedebiTi potencialis gamovlena da ganviTarebis stimulireba.
msaxiobebSi veZebT im Tvisebebs, romlebic piesis personaJebisas waagavs. CvenTan Teatraluri ganaTleba aravis ar moeTxoveba. mTavaria mondomeba!
_rTulia Tu ara SSm pirebTan muSaoba?
_ara. SezRuduli SesaZleblobebi ar arsebobs, Tu
_saidan gaCnda inkluziuri dasis daarsebis idea?
_q.baTumis meriam 2019 wels programuli biujetiT gaTvala inkluziuri speqtaklis dadgmisTvis xarjebi. iniciativis erT-erTi warmdgeni iyo Cemi megobari. misi daxmarebiT damikavSirdnen da SemomTavazes pirveli speqtaklis dadgma . dasis pirveli speqtakli iyo n. dumbaZis „heladosi“. samuSao procesi Zalian saintereso aRmoCnda da amitom gadavwyvite, es ar yofiliyo erTjeradi proeqti. Sevitane idea platformaze „Seni idea baTums“, romelSic gavimarjve. dRes dasis repertuarSi ukve 8 moqmedi speqtaklia.
_ra kriteriumebis mixedviT arCevT msaxiobebs?
_konkretuli moTxovnebi ar gvaqvs. me da Cemi kolegebi qasTingis dawyebamde piesis personaJebs ganvixilavT da vakvirdebiT maT tipaJs. qasTingze ki
garemo ar iqneba SezRuduli!
Cven vqmniT im garemos, romelSic muSaoba yvelasTvis komfortuli iqneba. Sesabamisad, erTmaneTis siyvaruliT da pativiscemiT saqme yovelTvis msubuqdeba. _savaldebuloa Tu ara SSm pirebTan muSaobisas specialistebis CarTva?
_ 2019 wels, rodesac inkluziuri dasi davaarse, miTxres, rom SSm pirebTan samuSaod aucileblad damWirdeboda spec. maswavlebeli da asistenti. me uari vTqvi, radgan realuri cxovrebis danaxvisTvis am bavSvebs sWirdebaT arakvalificirebul xalxTan ufro intensiuri urTierToba. SSm pirebi mudmivad gadian sxvadasxva Terapiebs. Tumca is siyvaruli, siTbo, mimRebloba, erTmaneTis SesaZleblobebis pativiscema, rac Cvens dasSi Cqefs, aRemateba yovelgvar Terapiebs. CvenTan yoveli adamiani Tavisufalia akeTos is, rac uyvars.
Sesabamisad, ar vfiqrob, rom specialistebis CarTva aucilebelia.
_ra problemebTan mogiwiaT Sejaxeba integrirebul dasSi?
_Cveni dasis wevrebi Tavidanve dakavebulni iyvnen sxvadasxva aqtivobebiT. Sesabamisad, am valdebulebebze uars ver vaTqmevineb. rTulia yvelaze morgeba, Tumca yovelTvis vcdilobT erTmaneTis grafiks movergoT. aseve Tavidan yovelTvis gviwevda brZola. vamtkicebdiT imas, rom SSm pirebi arafriT gansxvavdebian tipuri ganviTarebis pirebisgan. xandaxan adamianebs gvaviwydeba, rom yvelani Tanasworebi varT. gvaviwydeba, rom yvelas aqvs ufleba iseve iyos CarTuli kulturul cxovrebaSi, rogorc yvela sxvas. _rogorc xelmZRvanels, ra migaCniaT Tqven umTavres amocanad?
_Cemi umTavresi amocanaa, Cemi survilis dakmayofileba. es survili ki jansaR samyaroSi cxovrebaa. aseve siyvarulis gavrceleba. minda siyvaruli iyos epidemia. minda, rom yvelas ganurCevlad rasisa, kanis ferisa, religiisa, janmrTelobis mdgomareobisa Tu SezRuduli SesaZleblobisa uyvardeT erTmaneTi. _romel speqtakls gamoarCevdiT?
_ra Tqma unda, subieqturi SefasebebiT maqvs simpaTiebi zogierTi speqtaklis da scenebis mimarT. erTobliobaSi ki vercerTs ver gamovyof. _ra gegmebi gaqvT momavalSi?
_wels vgegmavT 3 spektakls. erT-erTs vdgam me. es speqtakli iqneba “ana frankis dRiurebi”. sul male Cvens oficialur gverdze daanonsdeba qasTingic.
gagviziareT Tqveni gamocdileba, ra sirTuleebs waawydiT procesSi?
_samoyvarulo dasTan muSaoba CemTvis metad sasiamovno da sainteresoa. sirTuleebi, ra Tqma unda, Tan axlavs process. giwevs speqtaklze muSaoba, teqstze, personaJze. es axali ram aris, rasac swavla, SeCveva da Segueba sWirdeba. vTvli, rom yvela sirTulisa da barieris gadalaxvaa SesaZlebeli swori muSaobiT.
_ra SegrZnebaa iyo Senive “konkurentTa” rCeuli da nominirebuli mamakacis mTavari rolis saukeTeso SesrulebisTvis.
_es iyo yvelaze moulodneli prizi. Zalian gamaxara im faqtma, rom swored Cemi asakis adamianebma, studentebma, romlebic moyvaruli msaxiobebi arian, SemamCnies da maT rCeuladac damasaxeles. es ormagi sixarulia CemTvis! mamakacis mTavari rolis saukeTesod SesrulebisTvis nominireba iyo aseve didi sixaruli da warmateba, radgan erTia roca mayurebeli gamCnevs da moswonxar, magram meorea, roca kompetenturi Jiuri gafasebs da am nominaciaSi xdebi wardgenili.
_apirebT Tu ara cxovrebis dakavSirebas TeatrTan, SesaZloa aseT mokle droSi Tqvenma didma warmatebam momavlis gegmebisa da profesiis Secvla ganapirobos.
_Cemi cxovreba ukve daukavSirda Teatrs da es seus Teatral uri dasis damsaxurebaa. me miyvarda Teatri, magram axla kidev ufro meti siyvaruli da pativiscema gamiCnda am sferos mimarT. rac Seexeba profesiis Secvlas, amaze arc ki vfiqrob! _samomavlo gegmebze ras ityviT TeatrTan dakavSirdebiT da ra rCevas miscemdiT moyvarul msaxiobebs?
samoyvarulo Teatraluri dasebi studentebs saSualebas aZlevs mravalferovani SemoqmedebiTi cxovrebiT icxovron. dasis saxeliT maT eZlevaT saSualeba monawileoba miiRon festivalebSi da hqondeT metad zRapruli studenturi wlebi. festivalze “niRabi 2023” saqarTvelos erovnuli universitetis seus Teatralurma dasma waradgina speqtakli rejinald rouzis piesis mixedviT “12 ganrisxebuli mamakaci”. studentebi 5 nominaciaSi iyvnen wardgenilni. festivalSi monawile dasebis rCeuli, nominirebuli mamakacis mTavari rolis SesrulebisTvis gaxda baCi JulakaS-
vili.
_rogor moxvdiT Teatralur dasSi da ra Seicvala Tqvens cxovrebaSi iq moxvedris dRidan? _mesame kursze viyavi, kovid pandemiis Semdeg, roca seus Teatralur dasSi qasTingi gamocxadda. yovelTvis vcdilob ganvviTarde sxvadasxva sferoSi, romelic miyvars, mainteresebs. unar-Cvevebic miwyobda xels, amitom gadavwyvite qasTingze misvla. seus Teatralur dasSi moxvedris Semdeg, metad gavicani Teatri, metad davinteresdi xelovnebis am sferoTi. gavxdi Teatris aqtiuri mayurebeli. Cemi cxovrebac mravalferovani da saintereso gaxda. amas garda, SeviZine mego-
brebi, adamianebi, romlebic alamazeben Cems cxovrebas. _rogori SegrZnebaa samoyvarulo dasTan muSaoba.
_vagrZeleb seus Teatralur dasSi „moRvaweobas“. axla vmuSaobT axal speqtaklze da viReb udides siamovnebas samuSao procesSi. speqtakli metad saintereso da mravalferovania. bolos ki moyvarul msaxiobebs vetyodi, rom giyvardeT is rasac vakeTebT da isiamovneT procesiT maqsimalurad.
ia maxaraZem Jurnalisturi kariera 18 wlis asakSi daiwyo. wlebis ganmavlobaSi sazogadoebriv mauwyebelze muSaobda da radioSi sakuTari gadacema „migraciis marSrutebi“ mihyavda. gamocdileba aqvs sagamoZiebo JurnalistikaSi, dRes ki leqciebs saqarTvelos erovnul universitetSi (seu) kiTxulobs. aRniSnul interviuSi qalbatonma iam Jurnalistikis mTavar daniSnulebaze isaubra.
_JurnalistikiT pirvelad rodis dainteresdiT?
_sul mindoda iseTi profesia amerCia, romelic SesaZleblobas momcemda, rom bevri memogzaura. rodesac gavizarde, mivxvdi rom Jurnalistebs SeeZloT gascnobodnen sxvadasxva kulturas, enaxaT mravali qveyana da davrwmundi, rom Cems ocnebasTan yvelaze axlos mdgomi profesia swored Jurnalistoba iyo.
_ 90-ianebi mZime periodi iyo JurnalistebisTvis, ra gaZlevdaT motivacias, rom saqmianoba gagegrZelebinaT?
_Cemi saqmianoba Zalian
sainteresod meCveneboda. Tavdapirvelad movxvdi elitur wreSi, romelsac pirveli arxis sazogadoeba erqva.
gamimarTla, Cemi gadacemac ki mqonda da sxvadasxva regionSi mogzauroba miwevda. svaneTSi erTi Tvis ganmavlobaSi maT tradiciebze Canawerebs vakeTebdi. am gamocdilebis Semdeg es profesia imdenad saintereso gaxda CemTvis, rom mizeruli anazRaurebis miuxedavad, saqmianoba gavagrZele.
_ eZlevaT Tu ara qarTvel Jurnalistebs imis Sansi, rom sakuTari SesaZleblobebi gamoavlinon?
_diax. ara mxolod mediaSi SegiZlia am profesiiT dasaqmde, aramed Seni Jurnalisturi Tvisebebi sxvadasxva sferoSic gamoiyeno, magaliTad, saxelmwifo uwyebebSi da ase Sedeg. _ratom aqvs sazogadoebis nawils am profesiisadmi garkveuli saxis agresia? _bevrs ar moswons simarTlis mosmena. Jurnalisti valdebulia rogorc samarTlebriv, ise iuridiul doneze simarTle Tqvas. sazogadoebas aRizianebs provokatori da mikerZoebuli Jurnalistebi, amitom unda vecadoT, viyoT obieqturad kritikulni. _ detali, riTac Jurnalistika sxva profesiebisgan gansxvavdeba. _pirovnuli Tavisufleba. xelmZRvaneli rac unda bevr davalebas gaZlevdes, Sen mainc Tavisufali xar. me vicnobdi Jurnalistebs, romlebic sabWoTa kavSiris periodSic aseTebi iyvnen.
Cveni profesia mravalferovania, yoveldRe raRac axals swavlob. asakobrivi SezRudvac ar arsebobs, Tu xar profesionali, 80 wlis asakSic SegiZlia Seni saqmianoba gaagrZelo. _ra Secvala am profesiam samyaroSi? _samyaro gadaatriala. Jurnalistebi gmirebi arian. maT SeuZliaT wavidnen omSi, Caataron gamoZieba da xmamaRla isaubron sxva an maTi qveynis mier Cadenil danaSaulebze. isini aramarto Tanamoqalaqeebis uflebebs icaven, aramed zrunaven sxvebzec. am profesiis warmomadgenlebi aCerebdnen omebs da samyaros cvlidnen. _ ra rCevas miscemdiT damwyeb Jurnalistebs? _rac SeiZleba bevri sfero Seiswavlon. literaturis, filosofiisa da iuridiuli safuZvlebis codna Zalian dagexmarebaT ganviTarebaSi. Tu es sakiTxebi ar gaiTvaliswineT, verafers SecvliT da Semsruleblebad darCebiT.
aborti arasasurveli orsulobis xelovnurad Sewyvetaa. 2024 wlis 1 ianvridan, axali regulaciebis mixedviT, orsuls savaldebulo konsultaciis gavla fsiqologsa da socialur muSakTanac uwevs. 5 dRiani mosacdeli periodis Semdeg ganmeorebiTi eqoskopia tardeba. radgan yvela klinika aRniSnul proceduras ver Caatarebs, gaCnda damatebiTi geografiuli, finansuri da struqturuli barierebic. organizacia „realuri xalxi, realuri xedvis“ programuli menejeri da socialuri muSaki, medea xmeliZe abortTan dakavSirebuli kanonmdeblobis cvlilebaze gvesaubra.
_ orsulobis Sewyvetis romeli meTodia usafrTxo? _arsebobs qirurgiuli da medikamenturi meTodi, romelic saqarTveloSi 2010 wlidan dainerga. es meTodi wamliT imarTeba da samedicino xelsawyoebis
Carevas ar moiTxovs. eqimis rekomendaciis mixedviT, orsuli Tavad akontrolebs process da ar saWiroebs hospitalzacias. _unda iyos Tu ara savaldebulo fsiqologsa da socmuSakTan konsultaciis gavla? _„reproduqciuli janmrTelobis erovnuli koaliciisa“ da profesiuli asociaciebis wevrebi calsaxad emxrobian msoflio jandacvis organizaciis rekomendaciebs. fsiqologisa da socialuri muSakis servisi ar SeiZleba iyos savaldebulo, radgan avtonomiis sakiTxs uSlis xels. rodesac me viReb gadawyvetilebas imaze, Tu ra daemarTeba Cems sxeuls, es pasuxismgebloba bolomde Cemzea. arc damatebiTi eqoskopia da mosacdeli periodia rekomendebuli. es mxolod arTulebs xelmisawvdomobas. adamianebma SeiZleba safrTxisSemcvel praqtikas mimarTon da janmrTalobas avnon. Tumca Cveni mosazrebebi absoluturad ugulebelyofilia jandacvis saministros mier. _miTia Tu realoba rom Tu pirveli orsulobis SemTxvevaSi gaikeTeb aborts, Semdeg veRar daorsuldebi? _miTia, radgan msoflio jandacvis organizaciis gaidlainebis Sesabamisad marTuli, gansakuTrebiT ki medikamenturi aborti, usafrTxo proceduraa.
_ra garTulebebi SeiZleba moyves orsulobis xelovnurad Sewyvetas? ra SemTxvevaSi unda mimarTos qalma eqims? _garTuleba SeiZleba mohyves arasworad marTul aborts. medikamenturi aborti erTerTi yvelaze usafrTxoa, da Sesabamisad Cven am meTodze vamisamarTebT xolme Cven beneficiarebs. magram, rogorc sxva samedicino manipulaciebis SemTxvevaSi, konsultaciis dros miRebuli informaciis Sesabamisad Tu ar midis procesi, umjobesia xazze viyoT ginekologTan. _axdens Tu ara aborti demografiaze zegavlenas? _arc erTi statistikuri monacemiT ar dasturdeba abortis da demografiuli maCveneblebis uerTierTdamokidebuleba.
saqarTveloSi abortis maCvenebeli wlebia iklebs, magram Sobadoba ar gazrdila. abortis SezRudva Sobadobas ver gazrdis. Sobadobis zrdas ekonomikurad stabiluri garemo Tu daexmareba. _ra rekomendaciebs miscemdiT qalebs? _pirvel rigSi, absoluturad yvela adamians unda esmodes, rom aravisTn angarisvaldebulni ar arian. yvela adamiani sakuTri cxovrebis eqspertia. agreTve me mjera, rom aravin unda ganvsajoT, unda viyoT solidarulebi da mxardaWera gavuwioT erTmaneTs. es mTavari principia, rac sazogadoebas gacilebiT jansaRs gaxdis da gaabednierebs.
fileri naturaluri hialuronis mJavis Semcveli Semavsebeli preparatia, romelic bolo ramdenime welia didi popularobiT sargeblobs rogorc saqarTveloSi, aseve sxva qveynebSi. am meTodis efeqturobasa da masTan dakavSirebul sakiTxebze Cvens kiTxvebs eqimi-kosmetologi, nina baliaSvili upasuxebs.
_ra aris fileri?
_fileri aris Semavsebeli - hialuronis mJava, romliTac SesaZlebelia cxviris, yvrimalebis, nikapis, tuCis, warbis Zvlovani sistemisa da a.S. koreqtireba. aseve fileriT ivseba ,,veneras rkalebi“.
_ra asakidan aris SesaZlebeli fileris gakeTeba?
_16 wlidan, ra Tqma unda, mSoblis TanxmobiT.
_ras urCevdiT adamianebs, romlebic apireben gaikeTon fileri?
_aucileblad kargad SearCion kvalificiuri eqim-kosmetologi, raTa hqondes Sesabamisi ganaTleba, icodes adamianis anatomiuri agebuleba. ra Tqma unda, xarisxiani preparatiT unda keTdebodes fileri.
_ra garTulebebs SeiZleba velodoT?
_pirvel rigSi, arasworma inieqciurma proceduram SeiZleba gamoiwvios kompresia da sisxlZarRvebSi preparatis moxvedra, rasac Tan sdevs Zalian didi riskebi, rogoricaa: iSemia, nekrozi (ujredebis kvdoma) da a.S.
_orsulobisa an laqtaciis dros Tu SeiZleba gakeTdes fileri?
_ra Tqma unda, aranairi preparatis Seyvana ar SeiZleba orsulobisa da laqtaciis dros, radgan am dros organizmSi Zalian didi hormonaluri cvlilebebi xdeba. laqtaciis dasrulebidan araumetes 6 Tvis Semdeg ki SesaZlebelia gakeTdes procedura.
_ramdeni xani aqvs Sedegi
filers?
_gaaCnia fileris moculobas, ubansa da konsistencias, saSualod 6-dan 10-Tvemde. _romeli zonebia yvelaze moTxovnadi?
_tuCi, cxviri da qveda ybis kuTxe.
Tamari 26 wlis: 2 welia filers vikeTeb cxvirze, Zalian kmayofili var.
maia 37 wlis: mivesalmebi, visac mowons, magram me arasdros gavikeTeb filers, bunebrivoba yvelaze lamazia am samyaroSi.
xatia 48 wlis: pirvelad gavikeTe fileri da amis Semdeg SiSiT albaT aRar gavekarebi. movxvdi araprofesionalTan, romelmac preparati araswor adgilas Seiyvana da nekrozi mewyeboda. RvTis wyalobiT, gadavrCi da fileri sxvasTan daviSale. Semdeg rodesac vikiTxe, gavige, rom aramarto araprofesionali yofila, aramed fileri cudi preparatiTac gaukeTebia. girCevT, SearCioT kargi specialisti da aucileblad gaarkvioT, ra preparatiT muSaobs.
nunuka 22 wlis: pataraobidan mindoda, lamazi cxviri mqonoda, operaciis meSinia da 1 wlis win pirvelad gavikeTe araqirurgiuli rinoplastika (cxviris koreqcia SemavsebeliT) saocari Sedegi maqvs da Zalian bednieri var, vapireb isev gavikeTo.
kibersporti saqarTvelosa da mTel msoflioSi dRiTidRe viTardeba. am sportis saxeobas uamravi mimdevri hyavs. yovelwliurad tardeba msoflio Cempionatebi, sadac vlindeba, ama Tu im TamaSSi gamarjvebuli. yvelaze moTxovnadi TamaSi dota2-ia, romelic pirvel adgils ikavebs.
dota2 mravalmoTamaSiani onlain sabrZolo areniss (MOBA)-s Janris video TamaSia, Seqmnili da gamocemuli kompania Valve Corporation-is mier. TamaSi warmoadgens DotA-s (Defense of the Ancients) gagrZelebas, romelic msoflio reitingSi pirvel adgils ikavebs. 2021 wels dotas msoflio Cempionatis saprizo fondi 40 milion amerikul dolars Seadgenda. am sportis saxeobaze isaubrebs, qarTveli kibersportmeni vako maRraZe, romelic dotas moTamaSea 2015 wlidan da araerTi gamarjveba moipova saqarTvelos maStabiT.
_saqarTveloSi dota ra donezea gavrcelebuli?
_dabal doneze, saprizo fondebic sakmaod dabalia. Tumca bolo dros kargi gundi Seiqmna saxelad monaspa, romelic seriozul turnirebze gadis.
_ra aris dota2-is popularobis mizezi?
_yvelaze saintereso geimfleia,
romelic moTamaSisgan moiTxovs maqsimalur yuradRebasa da azrovnebis unars.
_ra igrZeni, rodesac pirveli turniri moige?
_paradoqsi. saqarTveloSi ar iyo dafasebuli kibersporti, konkretulad ki dota. evropis qveynebisgan gansxvavebiT saqarTveloSi saprizo fondi dabali iyo.
_ratom dota da ara loli, romelic saqrTveloSi ufro didi popularobiT sargeblobs?
_pirvel rigSi dotas geimfleis sirTulisa da interesis gamo. dotas ufro cota adamiani imitom TamaSobs, rom did fiqrsa da azrovnebas moiTxovs moTamaSisgan. vTvli, rom dota Wadrakze rTuli TamaSia.
_sakueTeso mogoneba, romelic dotas ukavSirdeba?
_rodesac qarTvelebma rusebis gundss faqtobrivad damarcxebuli TamaSi movugeT taqtikiT, romelic 128 wuTi grZeldeboda. aqedan 85 wuTi metoqes seriozuli upiratesoba hqonda, Tumca mainc movigeT!
_ras urCevdi damwyeb moTamaSeebs?
_ar uyuron Tu rogor TamaSobs sxva. SeiZleba 1 an 2 weli TamaSobde, magram im moTamaSem mogigos, romelic 3 Tvea TamaSobs da seriozulad udgeba Tavis saqmes.
oriaTasianebis dasawyisSi ubansa an samsaxurSi vinmes rom eTqva, saqarTvelos nakrebi evropis Cempionatze gavao, gaicinebdnen. nakrebma didi evolucia ganicada. 2020 wlis 12 noembers saqarTvelos nakrebs, evropis Cempionatis sagzuramde erTi nabiji daaklda. Cven Sin
makedoniasTan 0-1 davmarcxdiT. 2024 wlis 26 marti saqarTvelos safexburTo istoriaSi oqros asoebiT Caiwera. erovnulma nakrebma urTules TamaSSi saberZneTis nakrebi penaltebis seriaSi daamarcxa da „evro 2024“ wlis sagzuri moipova.
26 martis Rame yvelas kargad axsovs. xalxis sixarulma saqarTvelo gamoaRviZa. namdvili dResaswauli iyo. xalxi erTmaneTs exuteboda da ulocavda gamarjvebas. es sixaruli Semdgom dReebSic gagvyva. problemebis miuxedavad, xalxi bednieri daiareboda. am gamarjvebis pativsacemad uamravma adamianma tatuc daixata. es movlena did gavlenas moaxdens qarTveli fexburTelebiT ucxouri klubebis dainteresebaze. Cvens moTamaSeebs SesaZlebloba miecemaT iTamaSon top 5 ligaSi. am dResa da movlenaze sportis Jurnalisti, tato bacikaZe isaubrebs.
_ra molodini gqondaT TamaSis dawyebamde ?
_simarTle giTxraT, arc
Tu ise skeptikurad viyavi ganwyobili.
dilidan etyoboda yvelas, rom saRamos raRac didi movlena moxdeboda.
_rogori grZnobaa, rodesac iRviZeb da saqarTvelos nakrebi evropis Cempionatzea?
_gaRviZebisTanave evropis Cempionatis jgufebi vnaxe, sadac Cvenc viyaviT da Zalian magari grZnoba dameufla.
_15 wlis win rom vinmes eTqva, saqarTvelos nakrebi evropis Cempionatze iTamaSebso, ra reaqcia geqnebodaT?
_daujerebeli iyo im periodSi romelime did turnirze TamaSi saqarTvelos nakrebisTvis, gvqonda ramdenime mcdeloba, magram uSedegod.
budu zivzivaZe - qarTveli fexburTeli, germaniis meore bundesligis monawile safexburTo klub „karlsruesa“da saqarTvelos erovnuli nakrebis Tavdamsxmeli.
_rogor garemoSi gaizardeT?
_Cveulebriv ojaxSi, sadac ar yofila arcerTi sportsmeni, magram fexburTi mainc uyvardaT. vuyurebdiT TamaSebsa da mimoxilvebs, Tvals vadevnebdiT siaxleebs. minda vTqva, rom fexburTis siyvaruli ezodan daviwye, radgan yovelTvis, roca Cavdiodi, vTamaSobdi da amiT siamovnebas viRebdi.
mamaCems gansakuTrebiT uyvarda fexburTi. is Cemi didi gulSematkivaria. fexburTze swored man mimiyvana. yovelTvis gverdiT midgas da mamxnevebs. roca skolidan movdiodi, pirvel rigSi, gakveTilebs vamzadebdi. mindoda, ezoSi droulad Cavsuliyavi da meTamaSa fexburTi Cems megobrebTan erTad. es is dauviwyari momentebi iyo, romelsac yoveldRiurad ganvicdidi, roca deda damiZaxebda da saxlSi wasvlis dro modioda, imaze vfiqrobdi, xvalindeli dRe rodis gaTendeboda, rom kidev Cavsuliyavi da is gamekeTebina, rac ase Zalian miyvarda da mizidavda.
_budu zivzivaZisTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani ra aris cxovrebaSi?
_CemTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani, ra Tqma unda, aris ojaxi. imitom, rom rac unda moxdes, swored is midgas gverdSi. vici, rom Cemi sjeraT. es is fasdaudebeli saganZuria, romelsac gafrTxileba, dafaseba sWirdeba, radgan bolos yovelTvis ojaxi iqneba Cven gverdiT.
_ra aris saWiro imisTvis, rom gaxde warmatebuli fexburTeli?
_rac unda niWieri iyo, Tu ar iSromeb, araferi gamogiva. unda gjerodes Seni Tavis. rwmenasac didi mniSvneloba aqvs. mis gareSe araferi gamogviva. dRemde rasac mivaRwie, Sromis damsaxurebaa. RvTis madlobeli var, rom swori gza maCvena. mTavaria, sakuTari Tavis gvjerodes da virwmunoT, rom razec vocnebobT, SegviZlia realobad vaqcioT.
_nakrebSi TamaSis saSualeba ar geZleodaT, axla ki misi ucvleli wevri gaxdiT, aris Tu ara es erTgvari gamarjveba im adamianebze, vinc Sanss ar gaZlevdaT?
_iyo periodi, rodesac ar miZaxebdnen nakrebSi, Tumca far-xmali ar damiyria. motivacias swored im adamianebisgan viRebdi, romlebic Sanss ar maZlevdnen. yvelaferi gamomivida, axla nakrebSi var da Tavs bednierad vgrZnob. es didi pasuxismgeblobaa. vicodi, rom did ojaxSi Semovdiodi. minda, yvela fexburTelma gamocados, ras niSnavs nakrebSi TamaSi. _ SegiZliaT 21 marts gatanili dublisas Tqveni emocia gaixsenoT?
_ Zalian bednieri viyavi! pirveli goli sagangebod aRvniSne, magram meores dros Soki miviRe. mindoda, qomagebisken gavqceuliyavi, magram imdenad davibeni, ise cudad viyavi, rom ubralod neli siaruliT mivuyvebodi stadions da ver vaanalizebdi, ra xdeboda. vgrZnobdi, rom finalSi gavdiodiT da es metwilad Cemi damsaxureba iyo, radgan SevZeli da 90 wuTis ganmavlobaSi 2 goli mxolod me gavitane. es Tavis qebad
ar CamiTvaloT, Cemi gundelebis udidesi damsaxurebaa. mwvrTnelis sityvebma gasaxdelSi: „budu 21 martis gmiriao“, _ CemSi didi emocia gamoiwvia. aqamde Tu naxevari saqarTvelo micnobda, axla yvela micnobs. momdis uamravi Setyobineba, mirekaven, milocaven. es imdenad mniSvnelovania CemTvis, arc ki vici, amxela siyvaruls rogor davubruneb.
visargebleb SemTxveviT da udides madlobas gadavuxdi nacnobebsa da ucnobebs gverdSi dgomisTvis, rasac isini akeTeben, siyvarulisTvis, gamxnevebisTvis. uRrmesi madloba minda gadavuxado mayureblebs stadionze, romelTac didi motivacia momces.
_ Tqveni azriT, ra Sansebi aqvs saqarTvelos nakrebs evropis Cempionatze?
_ 26 marti Cems mexsierebaSi darCeba yovelTvis, imitom, rom davwereT istoria! es iyo saocari dRe! vxedavdi, rogor zeimobda mTeli qveyana am did gamarjvebas. vxedavdi, rogori bednieri iyo qarTveli xalxi! Cven emociebs ver vikavebdiT! anki rogor unda Segvekavebina?! gasaxdelSi gadavinacvleT, radgan stadionze Zalian bevri xalxi Semovarda, ver vijerebdiT, axlac ki ar mjera, rom es gavakeTeT! Zlieri metoqeebi gvyavs: portugalia, TurqeTi da CexeTi. rTuli TamaSebi iqneba, Tumca Cven iq mxolod monawileobisTvis ar mivdivarT! gvaqvs didi ambiciebi! gvinda, rom jgufidanac gavideT! imitom, rom gvjera Cveni Tavis! danarCeni ukve zafxulSi, ivnisSi, gamoCndeba, mniSvnelovania Tu ramdenad kargad movemzadebiT am turnirisTvis.
kaxaber (kaxa) kaWarava qarTveli da sabWoTa fexburTeli da mwvrTnelia. TamaSobda Tavdamsxmelisa da naxevarmcvelis poziciaze. sxvadasxva dros icavda saqarTvelos, kviprosis, germaniis, TurqeTis safexburTo klubebisa da saqarTvelos erovnuli nakrebis Rirsebas. 1989–1992 wlebSi Tbilisis „dinamos“ SemadgenlobaSi Catarebul 96 SexvedraSi 54 goli gaitana. _umuSevrobis periodi gagiWianurdaT, ratom? _rogorc yvela mwvrT-
nels, mec minda, karg gundSi vimuSao. maqvs SemoTavazebebi, magram realuri, rom iyos rame, ukve viqnebodi dasaqmebuli. ar minda, mxolod xelfasi aviRo. minda vimuSao da Cemi gamocdileba gavuziaro adamianebs. _rogor fiqrobT, ra aris Cveni klubebis mTavari problema?
_yvelam viciT, rom bevr gunds ar aqvs baza da kargi mosamzadebeli pirobebi. mesmis, rom arsebobs gundebi, romelTac aqvT Sesabamisi komforti, magram
arian iseTi gundebic, romlebsac uwevT rTul pirobebSi varjiSi. imedi maqvs, male es problema mogvardeba.
_Tqveni azriT, saqarTvelos CempionatSi kidev arian nakrebisTvis gamosadegi fexburTelebi?
vici, rom nakrebisTvis bolomde ixarjeba. bevri fexburTeli aRmoaCina, bevrs _ eZebs. vxedavT, rogor adevnebs Tvals saqarTvelos Cempionatis TamaSebs. bevr fexburTels miscems Sanss da es, ra Tqma unda, kargia.
_ratomac ara?! nakrebi es specifikuri ramaa. mTavarma mwvrTnelma unda miiwvios is, vinc ukeTes formaSia konkretul momentSi, radgan fexburTelebisTvis motivacia aucilebelia. vfiqrob, gvyavs biWebi, romlebsac SeuZliaT saqarTvelos Cempionatidan nakrebSi TamaSi. sanam mkiTxavT vin? me pirdapir gipasuxebT: Tavs Sevikaveb, radgan ar iqneba Cemi mxridan swori maTi dasaxeleba.
_saqarTvelos nakrebi evropazea, rogor SeafasebdiT saberZneTTan TamaSs?
_sasixaruloa, rom es SevZeliT! mniSvnelovani iyo realurad gangvesazRvra Cveni Zala. nakrebma gunduri TamaSi aCvena, meti organizebuloba iyo. is, rac stadionze xdeboda, iyo udidesi bedniereba. fexburTelebi 100%iT daixarjnen, roca ase xdeba, yovelTvis aris Sedegi.
_Tqveni azri vili saniolze?
_sanioli erT-erTi kargi mwvrTnelia imaT Soris, visac saqarTvelos nakrebSi umuSavia. imas miaRwia, rasac amdeni xani velodebodiT, vfiqrob, man unda gaagrZelos muSaoba ufro didi miznebisTvis. piradad, vicnob da
_legionerebze ras fiqrobT?
_Zalian rTulad Tu Semxvedria kargi legioneri da getyviT ratomac. dRes fexburTSi fuli wyvets yvelafers. adre, roca vTamaSobdi, CemTvis sanaxaoba iyo, axla ki sxva tendenciaa. fexburTi aris sporti, romelsac didi fuli sWirdeba ganviTarebisTvis. legioneri, romelsac 1000$ an 10000$ uxdian CemTvis erTi donisaa. Cemi azri, marTlac aseTia.
_da bolos, gagvandeT Tqveni gegmebi.
_dasvenebis procesSi var didi xania. simarTle rom giTxraT, momwons kidevac. velodebi sxvadasxva SemoTavazebebs. iyo erTi, romelsac davTanxmdi, magram aRar gamovida. ratom, ar vici. bolos „samtredias“ mwvrTneli viyavi da gundidan Zalian nawyeni wamovedi, ar miyvars, roca adamianis Sromas ver afaseben. CemTvis es didi Seuracxyofaa. davelodoT movlenebis ganviTarebas. winaswar saubari ar miyvars, ubralod msurs karg gundSi wavide da Cemi samwvrTnelo kariera ise davasrulo.
rom aseTi viyavi. am rwmeniT mivaRwie yvelafers, mqonda uamravi gegma da mivyvebodi Cems miznebs.
_vin iyo Tqveni pirveli gulSematkivari?
_ ra Tqma unda, Cemi ojaxi. rodesac sportul karieraSi pirveli nabijebi gadavdgi, maSinac Cem gverdiT iyvnen da axlac CemTan arian.
_gaqvT raime iseTi Tviseba, romelic gexmarebaT warmatebismiRwevaSi?
_ diax, ra Tqma unda. sijiute, mizandasaxuloba da pasuxismgebloba sakuTari Tavis winaSe. yvela es Tviseba mexmareba, rom mivaRwio Cems miznebs da avisrulo survilebi.
_ra aris sportsmenisTvis prioritetuli?
_pirvel rigSi, is, rom ar SeeSindes gamowvevebis,
maZleven. ar SemiZlia is emocia da grZnobebi gadmovce, romelsac gamudmebiT viReb qarTveli da aramarto qarTveli gulSematkivrisgan.
_ras etyodiT Tqvens qarTvel qomagebs?
_pirvel rigSi, madloba yvelafrisTvis. gverdiT dgomisa da mxardaWerisTvis. maT Soris arian patarebi, romlebic sportis am saxeobiT arian dainteresebulni. maT minda vuTxra, rom ar aqvs mniSvneloba, ra moxdeba warmatebuli karierisken mimaval gzaze, gwamdeT uflis da yvelafers miaRwevT.
_ra iyo yvelaze didi gamowveva, romelic SegxvdaT karieraSi?
_albaT emigracia. gamudmebiT Sors yofna Cemi qveynisgan, ojaxisa da sayvareli adamianebisgan. yvelanairad vcdilob, rom
sjerodessakuTari Tavisa da SesaZleblobebis, mihyves ocnebebs dauRalavad da, rac mTavaria, swamdes RmerTis. _ras miiCnevT karieris udides miRwevad?
aman Cemze gavlena ar moaxdinos. rac unda moxdes, sadac unda viyo, Cems miznebs mainc mivaRwev!
_garda sportisa, kidev riT xarT dainteresebuli?
levan Coxeli 16 wlidan CaerTo Sereul orTabrZolebSi. igi klub „vefxistyaosnis“ wevria da Zalian sanaxaobrivi stilis mebrZolia. ringze graciozulobiT gamoirCeva. gamodis qarTuli droSiT, romelzec agvistos omis mebrZolebis sisxlis kvalia. amJamad aSS-Si asparezobs. levani ambobs, rom gaCerebas ar apirebs da win didi siaxleebia.
_rodis da ratom dainteresdiT sportis am saxeobiT?
_skolis moswavle viyavi. daaxloebiT 16 wlis asakSi. mom-
wonda sporti, Tan bavSvobaSic sul aqtiurobiT gamovirCeodi. quCaSic xSirad vCxubobdi. mindoda sakuTari Tavi gamomecada, raSic sportis es saxeoba damexmara. _vin iyo Tqveni inspiraciis wyaro?
_ konkretulad veravis vixseneb. albaT Cemi Tavi. rogorc ukve vTqvi, bavSvobidan mindoda, Zlieri moCxubari gamovsuliyavi da Tavxedurad mjeroda,
_vfiqrob, rom jer ar gamikeTebia raime grandiozuli, razec vityvi, rom udidesi miRwevaa. mjera, rom jer yvelaferi win maqvs. _ramdenad mniSvnelovania gulSematkivris roli?
_CemTvis umniSvnelovanesia. gulSematkivrebi stimuls
_Cemi drois ZiriTad nawils varjiSs vuTmob. aseve, miyvars drois gatareba Cems sofelSi, ulamazes mTebSi. miyvars jiriTi. cxenic myavs, romelic, darwmunebuli var, male gaxdeba Cempioni.
eTer liparteliani aris Ziudoisti, saqarTvelos saukeTeso qali sportsmeni (2022), 30 medlis mflobeli, evropis Cempionatis brinjaos priziori (2022), grand slemis (turniri) viceCempioni (2022), brinjaos priziori. 2024 wels karieraSi pirvelad moigo grand slemi, man finalSi kanadeli jesika klimkaiti daamarcxa. sportsmeni interviuSi gviyveba, Tu rogor daukavSira cxovreba Ziudos, ixsenebs bavSvobasa da skolis periods.
_rogori bavSvi iyaviT?
_Zalian celqi. yovelTvis miyvarda fexburTisa da kalaTburTis TamaSi, aseve Cems megobrebTan erTad drois gatareba. Sesabamisad, mindoda, sportis romelime saxeobiT davkavebuliyavi. skolaSi Zalian miyvarda istoria da gakveTilis dawyebas sixaruliT velodebodi.
_rodis gaCnda Ziudo Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
_rva wlis viyavi, rodesac Cems megobrebTan erTad Ziudoze Sevedi. mxolod drois gasayvanad davdiodi, magram, rodesac mivxvdi, rom es garTobaze bevrad meti iyo, ra Tqma unda, seriozulad movekide am saqmes. biWebTan erTad vvarjiSobdi, mxolod erTi gogona viyavi, Semdeg vifiqreT, rom ver ganvviTardebodi da samomavlod ZiudosTvis Tavis
danebeba momiwevda. 10 wlis asakSi TbilisSi Camovedi, yoveldRe, SabaT-kviris garda, varjiSze davdiodi da vviTardebodi. _vis miuZRvis wvlili Tqvens karieraSi?
_ojaxs. is rom ara, karieraSi aseTi warmatebuli ar viqnebodi, maT yvelaferi gaakeTes imisTvis, rom miznebi realobad meqcia. Cems warmatebas ojaxi sixaruliT iziarebs.
_ras grZnobT, rodesac saqarTvelos saxeliT asparezobT?
_pirvel rigSi, vamayob, rom qarTveli var, aq vcxovrob da samSoblos saxeli gamaqvs sazRvrebs gareT. yovelTvis didi motivaciiT vWidaob. minda Cempioni gavxde, saqarTvelos himni avaJRero ucxo qveynebSi da qarTuli droSa yovelTvis maRla frialebdes!
_gaixseneT Tqveni pirveli asparezoba tatamze?
_pirvelad Sejibrebaze rom gamovedi, vaJTa kategoriaSi viaspareze. svaneTSi mxolod erTi gogona davdiodi darbazSi da aravin ar myavda, rom Sejibrebaze masTan meWidava. Tumca biWebTan Widaobis ar meSinoda da arasdros mifiqria damarcxebaze. me yovelTvis vibrZodi!
_romel brZolas gamoarCevdiT?
_ 2015 wels evropis olimpiur TamaSebze gamarTul brZolas, sadac movipove oqros medali. axla ukve didebSi vasparezob, wlevandeli brZola CemTvis mniSvnelovani iyo, radgan gavxdi Cempioni, davamarcxe uZlieresi mowinaaRmdegeebi, ris Semdegac Cemma sayvarelma adami-
anma xeli mTxova. es Cems cxovrebaSi saukeTeso Sejibreba da dRe iyo.
_sxva sportiT dainteresebulxarT?
_Ziudos garda, paralelurad davdiodi kldeze cocvaze, aqac sakmaod kargi sportsmeni viyavi, Tumca veRar gavagrZele, radgan TbilisSi wamovedi, aq ki dro ar mqonda. magram dRemde Zalian mitacebs kldeze cocva da siamovnebiT mivdivar darbazSi.
_sad warmogidgeniaT Tqveni Tavi momavalSi?
_ra Tqma unda, Cems Tavs isev sports vukavSireb. vici, rom Cemi kariera adre Tu gvian dasruldeba. yvelafers gavakeTeb imisTvis, rom mwvrTneli gavxde da Cvens qveyanas Zalian Zlieri sportsmenebi aRvuzardo.
_ra aris mniSvnelovani warmatebisTvis?
-Cemi azriT, yvelaze mniSvnelovani aris disciplina, mondomeba da mizanmimarTuloba, maT gareSe warmatebis miRweva rTulia.
_rogor Secvala Ziudom Tqveni cxovreba?
_piradad me Ziudom Camomayaliba adamianad, maswavla, Tu rogor vibrZolo da arasdros davnebde. daveci, wamovdeqi da Secdomebisgan bevri viswavle!
giorgi goColeiSvili qarTveli fexburTeli, doneckis „Saxtarisa“ da saqarTvelos erovnuli nakrebis marjvena mcveli interviuSi bavSvobaze, karierasa da momaval gegmebze gvesaubra.
_rodis dainteresdiT pirvelad fexburTiT?
_mamaCemi mwvrTnelia, amitom fexburTi bavSvobidan mainteresebda. vuyurebdi lionel mesis TamaSebs da misi bevri maisuri mqonda. yovelTvis mindoda, didi fexburTi meTamaSa.
_gaixseneT Tqveni pirveli TamaSi nakrebis maisuriT.
_erovnul nakrebSi TamaSi yvela fexburTelis ocnebaa. emocias, romelsac am dros ganvicdidi, namdvilad rTuli aRsaweria. yvelafers erTad vgrZnobdi:
SiSs, bednierebas, aRtacebas. _gaixseneT „SaxtarSi“ adaptaciis periodi?
_Zalian gamiadvilda. Tanagundelebi, mwvrTnelebi da yvela iq myofi Tbilad da pozitiurad damxvda. rogorc ojaxis wevri ise mimiRes.
_Tqvens romel matCs gamoarCevdiT?
_2023 wlis CempionTa ligis jgufur etapze gamarTul matCs, rodesac „barselonas“, romelic bavSvobidan Cemi saocnebo gundia da axlac misi gulSematkivari var, vumaspinZleT da 1:0 movigeT. zustad am TamaSis Semdeg CempionTa ligis kviris simbolur TerTmeteulSi movxvdi. CemTvis es matCi erT-erTi saukeTeso iyo.
_ ras fiqrobT evro 2024 wlis Cempionatis momaval matCebze?
_ra Tqma unda, evropaze gasvla Cveni ocneba iyo da es ocneba avixdineT. jgufSi arian: portugalia, CexeTi da TurqeTi. Zalian daZabuli matCebi gvelodeba. Cven bolomde vibrZolebT. matCis Sedegebs ki momavali gviCvenebs, vnaxoT rogor warimarTeba TamaSebi. _vin aris Tqveni mxardam-
Weri?
_ojaxs Cems karieraSi didi wvlili miuZRvis, is yovelTvis mxarSi midgas da mamxnevebs. iziarebs Cems warmatebasac da marcxsac. ojaxi Zalas mmatebs, es ki moedanze maZlierebs, ufro SemarTebiT vatareb TamaSebs. aseve Zalian mniSvnelovania CemTvis mwvrTnelebi, romlebmac Cems aRzrdasa da ganviTarebaSi didi roli iTamaSes. amitom ojaxisa da mwvrTnelebis didi madlobeli var.
_ Zalian miyvarda Sesvenebaze klaselebTan erTad garToba, qarTulis gakveTili.
_ras niSnavs TqvenTvis fexburTi?
_fexburTi CemTvis aris cxovreba, bavSvobaSi bevr raRacaze vTqvi uari, imitom, rom fexburTeli gamovsuliyavi. rac ki kargi gadamxdenia, sportis am saxeobas ukavSirdeba. fexburTma bevri ram Secvala Cems cxovrebaSi da bevri kargi ram maswavla.
_bavSvobaSi yvelaze metad risi keTeba giyvardaT?
guram kaSia saqarTvelos safexburTo erovnuli nakrebis kapitania. is am interviuSi gvesaubra karierasa da samomavlo gegmebze.
_rodis da rogor daiwyo Tqveni safexburTo kariera?
_7 wlis viyavi, rodesac Cemi ufrosi Zma Seiyvanes fexburTze da swored man Semayvara sportis es saxeoba. Semdeg, sportis am saxeobiT mec davkavdi da Cemi cxovreba fexburTis gareSe warmoudgeneli gaxda. 2006 wlidan dinamoSi daviwye profesionaluri kariera. 2009 wels ki erovnul nakrebSi Sedga Cemi debiuti.
_karieris dasawyisSi warmoidgendiT, rom erovnuli nakrebis kapitani iqnebodiT?
_simarTle giTxra, verasdros ver warmovidgendi, radgan gavizarde iseT garemosa da periodSi, rom TiTqmis Sansi ar iyo warmatebisTvis migeRwia. verc imas warmovidgendi, rom quCaSi vinme gamaCerebda da fotoebis gadaRebas mTxovda.
_bevr sportsmensa da gansakuTrebiT fexburTels, moedanze gasvlamde, raRac rituali aqvs, Tqven SemTxvevaSi rogoraa?
_msgavsi rituali mec maqvs. moednis xazs rom vkveT, marcxena fexiT vabijeb 3-jer da pirjvars viwer. sxvaTa Soris, rodesac es rituali crurwmenad CavTvale, imave TamaSze TiTi movitexe, amitom, misi Sesruleba amis Semdeg aRar damviwyebia.
_ras grZnobdiT, rodesac nakrebSi pirvelad gamogiZaxes?
_erT-erTi saukeTeso grZnoba iyo Cems cxovrebaSi. rodesac gazeTSi Cemi gvari wavikiTxe, sixarulisgan davfrinavdi. rom mivedi, udidesi fexburTelebi damxvdnen, uamravi rame viswavle maTgan, rac momavalSi gamomadga. es aris saukeTeso adgili ganviTarebisTvis.
_erovnuli nakrebis kapitans ra Tvisebebi unda hqondes?
_Cems magaliTze getyvi, pirvel rigSi, Zalian ar miyvars wageba da arasdros vnebdebi. motivacia momces im fexburTelebma, romlebic nakrebSi damxvdnen. rodesac kapitnis samklauri movirge, mivxvdi, rom didi pasuxismgebloba mqonda biWebis mimarT da dro iyo Cemi Tavi 100%-iT gamomemJRavnebina. vcdilob, yvelasTan kargi urTierToba davamyaro da maqsimalurad komfortulad vagrZnobino Tavi, radgan siaxlove da erT ojaxad yofna aucilebelia.
_amdenwliani karieris ganmavlobaSi ra gaZlevT mTavar motivacias?
_pirvel rigSi, adgili, sadac energiiT vivsebi, Cemi ojaxia. sadac Tavs yvelaze komfortulad vrZnob. ZiriTadad energias yovelTvis gulSematkivrebisgan viReb, rogorc dadebiTs, aseve uaryofiTsac. Tavs iRblianad miviCnev, radgan yovelTvis gansakuTrebuli urTierToba mqonda gulSematkivarTan.
_gTxovT, gagviziaroT evropis Cempionatze gasvlis emociebi.
_warmatebuli kariera mqonda, Tumca vicodi, rom raRac maklda. TamaSis Semdeg mTeli saqarTvelo bednieri iyo da rodesac ici, rom amasSi Seni wvlilicaa, sasiamovno grZnobaa. nakrebma da qarTvelma xalxma evropis Cempionatze gasvla daimsaxura. axla mTavaria, iqac gavimarjvoT da kidev ufro gavaxaroT gulSematkivari.
_ras gvetyviT Tqvens samomavlo gegmebze?
_asakSi rom Sedixar, Zalian giWirs imasTan Segueba, rom kariera male dasruldeba. es is periodia, rodesac yvelaze metad gsiamovnebs fexburTis TamaSi. jer ar vici, ras gavakeTeb momavalSi, Tumca darwmunebuli var, am sferoSi davrCebi da mudam fexburTis siaxloves viqnebi.
_ras etyviT axalgazrda fexburTelebs?
_sjerodeT sakuTari Tavis, iSromon da Sedegs aucileblad miaRweven!
26 marti, dRe rodesac Cvenma biWebma istoria daweres. istoria romelsac Svilebs da SviliSvilebs movuyvebiT. movuyvebiT Tu rogor davZlieT mravalwliani uimedoba da Cveni xma msoflios gavagoneT. mTeli saqarTvelo zeimobda, magram Cven jer kidev ar vicodiT ramxela istorias davwerdiT evropis Cempionatze.
Cven vnaxeT germaniis quCebi qarTveli qomagebiT gavsebuli, romelTac mTel evropas gaagones rom “zRapris bolo keTilia...” miuxedavad imisa rom 18 ivniss TurqeTTan matCis dros Cven 1-3 davmarcxdiT, davinaxeT Tu rogori Seupovrebi varT, rom damarcxebulebs SegviZlia wamodgoma. Cven movigeT msoflios guli, win CexeTTan matCi gveloda sadac 1-1 angariSi davamTavreT da maSin rodesac veravin warmoidgenda rom SesarCev etaps gadavlaxavdiT SevZeliT da portugaliasTan urTulesi matCiT, TamaSis dawyebidan 2 wuTze nakleb droSi kvaracxelias gatanili goliT da miqautaZis penaltiT jgufidan gavediT. istorias ar axsovs rom, debiutanti gundi 1/8 finalSi gasuliyo. gasuliyo Tanac aseTi siamayiT. Cvenma biWebma SeZles da espaneTs pirvelive taimSi 1 goli gautanes, marTalia davmarcxdiT magram Cveni xalxi damarcxebulic ki gamarjvebulia. istoria oqros asoebiT davwereT. giorgi miqautaZe 3 goli da erTi sagole gadacema, man moaxerxa da erT-erTi saukeTeso bombardiri gaxda ara mxolod euro 2024-ze aramet evropis istoriaSi. giorgi mamardaSvili 29 mogeriebuli burTebis raodenobiT, evropis Cempionatis erT-erTi lideri gaxda. xviCa kvaracxelia 26 driblingi am SedegiT is mxolod ramodenime moTamaCes CamorCeba. 13 burTis arTmeva-giorgi CakvetaZe, 27 burTis dabruneba-guram kaSia. 34.5 km/sT siCqare-giorgi witeiSvili. 165 zusti pasi da 48 kilometri giorgi qoCoraSvili. miuxedavad imisa rom Cveni asparezi 30 ivniss dasrulda euro 2024-ze, msoflio mainc dRemde Cvenze saubrobs.
bolos iyo biWebis saxlSi dabruneba, Tbilisi quCebi gulSematkivrebis zRvam gaavso, mTeli eri bednieri iyo, yvelaferi razec ki gviocnebia Cvens win iyo realobad qceuli.
istoriul dReebTan dakavSirebiT gavesaubreT Jurnalistsa da komentators dimitri (dima) obolaZes.
_warmoidgendiT rom, Cveni nakrebi amdens SeZlebda?
_warmodgeniT ar vici, magram gulis siRrmeSi mjeroda rom es unda momxdariyo. Tumca me Tu moveswrebodi ar megona. _Tqveni azriT ra ganasxvavebs axali Taobis moTamaSeebs Zvelebisgan?
_axali Taoba Tavisufalia,mentalurad mzadaa da aravis da arafris ar erideba moedanze. profesionalizmiT gamoirCevian. am Taobam daasrula uimedoba qarTul fexburTSi. cxadia pirobebic gacilebiT ukeTesi aqvT vidre wina Taobebs da moedanze ibrZvian yvela burTze, erTianebi arian da jigrebi arian. safexburTo TvalsazrisiT arc wina Taoba Camouvardeboda. magram mentaliteti Seicvala, dro Seicvala.
_ras fiqrobT vili saniolis taqtikasa da cvlilebebze?
_gamarjvebulebs ar asamarTleben....rogorc gairkva vili yvelafers sworad akeTebs. mentaluradac magrad amzadebs gunda. is Cvens nakrebTan erTad gaizarda rogorc mwvrTneli.
_Tqveni azriT vin gaxdeba wels evropis Cempioni?
_yvela nakrebi araprognozirebadia. espaneTi germanias Soris mogebuls mivaniWeb mcire upiratesobas.
_bolos, gjeraT rom SegviZlia evropis Cempionebi gavxdeT?
_ki mjera. rwmena dabrunda, mTel saqarTvelos sjeroda, rom portugalias movugebdiT, espaneTsac... ase rom Tu es rwmena iqneba gamoricxuli araferia. gulSematkivarTa axal Taobazec bevria damokidebuli Tu maT daijeres yvelaferi gamova.
