AVT024 - AUD020 Mai Davies & Oliver Hides presenting ‘Good Morning Wales’ on BBC Radio Wales, 6 November 2013. ▪ GMW homepage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074hk3 ▪ Related BBC News story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales24831728 ▪ Audio source: http://tombfowler.tumblr.com/post/67042517085/i-was-interviewedabout-the-undercover-police Speakers: MD = Mai Davies OH = Oliver Hides AG = Professor Anthony Glees TF = Tom Fowler === OH: Good morning, the main stories today: Welsh protesters criticise the decision to hear a case against undercover police behind closed doors. Members of a Welsh protest group have been told that the case they are bringing against undercover police will be heard in secret. Three members of the Cardiff Anarchist Network are among several protesters bringing the case against the police. === MD: Protesters in Wales have been told their case against undercover police will have to be heard in secret. People from activist organisations including three from Cardiff are bringing the case against the police officers whom they allege formed sexual relationships with women as part of their jobs. Yesterday the Court of Appeal told them their case would be held behind closed doors at an Investigatory Powers Tribunal. OH: We spoke to Professor Anthony Glees, the director of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham, who explained what that meant. Prof AG: Well, basically this is a way of hearing evidence, not necessarily from the people directly involved, where that evidence is evidence that is either secret because it has been obtained in particular way, which government don’t want to disclose, or if to do so would not be in the national interest. We’re talking about very small number of cases that would be dealt with in this way, and of course everybody knows justice to be done must be seen to be done. And that is very much a core principal of our democracy. But there are a small number of cases where that is simply not possible.