Second conspiracy of Mirza Jhelumi against Khatmun Nubu:vah

AHLUSSUNNAH VAL JAMAAH

Second conspiracy of Mirza Jhelumi against Khatmun Nubu:vah Discussion on the sentences of Mirza: Jhelumi Home

In this reseach we have proved that Mirza: Jhelumi: is playing with the Terms like Prophet, Apostle, Messenger. All his works indicate that he want to make his followers to believe that the denouncers of the Finality and Lasthood of the Holy Prophet also believe in the Finality of the Holy Prophet. On the otherhand this is infinitely incorrect and absolutely wrong. We have honestly discussed the matter with proves and evidences. Please read this article. We have tried to use noble language free from abusing words. 2020\06\03CE =1441\10\11 HE [Hijrah Era]

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The conspiracy of Mirza Jhelumi against Khatmun Nubu:vah Introduction Mirza Jhelumi has conspired against the Khatmun Nubu:vah [Finality and Lasthood of Prophethood] in several steps.

It requires a thorough study of his lectures and answers to determine the great conspiracy of Mr Jhelumi: against the Finality and Lasthood of Prophethood.

An elegant work is presented by our scholars to unearth the hidden great conspiracy of Mr. Jhelumi.

Key Words.

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Page 2 of 12 Prophet, Apostle, Finality, Lasthood, Messenger, Kh:atmun Nubu:vah, Mirza Jhelumi: and his tendencies towards the denouncers of Finality of Prophethood.

Mr Jhelumi: has tried to make doubts in the Finality and Lasthood of Holy Prophet in a very systemic way.

1) He made doubts in the meanings of the terms of Nabi: and Rasu:l.

2) He used the Persian word Paigh:ambar in some very obscure sense , and generated several doubts with the word without assigning any meaning to it.

3) He used definitions in circles and expressions in circles generating an imaginary ellipse , for his followers and students , who were so nescient that the did not know the difference between a Nabi: and a Rasu:l.

4) Finally he attempted to shew that one can still believe Holy Prophet as the Last prophet even if he believes that there is an ‘Ummati: Nabi: after him.

In these four steps this man from Jhelum destroyed the entire concept of Nabi: , Rasu:l , Finality and Lasthood. This is a very sensitive issue and one should know the deliberate fallacy invented by this person. Only a very Logical treatment of his works is required to definitise the fallacy and to find a solution of it.

Points to be Noted:Mirza Jhelumi mentioned in his lecture about Faith and Cessation of Faith, an article of Faith, in a sentence , in which he choses words producing strange doubts.

He said:To believe that Nabi: ‘:Alaihis Sala:m as the Last (‘:Akh:iri:) Paigh:ambar. -------Sentence A2 -----( S A2) At first sight his conspiracy remains hidden not only from all those who follow him blindly but from all those ho do not follow him but do not have a thorough study of his lectures and his deceiving techniques.

Mirza Jhelumi: used the Persian word Paigh:amber.

This Persian word is the source of all fallacies , which Mr Jhelumi generates in the minds of his blind followers.

Discussion of the word Paigh:ambar.

This word is a Persian word and it is used as an exact literal alternative of the ‘:Arabic word Rasu:l.

It means a Messenger , an Apostle.

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Page 3 of 12 However there is a figurative use of this word , and in few cases it is used in the Meaning of Nabi: i.e a Prophet. But this is an irregular use of the word and this meaning is only taken on the strong demand of the context .

But the context has no demand at all for this meaning.

So this means that the word is either used in the meaning of a Messenger/ an Apostle [Rasu:l] or a Prophet [Nabi:] or in some undetermined meaning .

In the first case the sentence uttered by Mr Jhelumi means:To believe that Prophet [Nabi:] ‘:Alaihis Sala:m is the Last Messenger/ Apostle [Rasu:l].

-------------S A3.

In the second case the sentence reverts to the meaning “To believe that Prophet [Nabi:] ‘:Alaihis Sala:m is the Last Nabi: [Prophet].”

--------------------------S A4.

But this is not possible. First there is no demand of context in the case. Instead it is an independent sentence , independent in form and independent from the context.

Second , if the words Nabi: and the word Paigh:ambar both are used in a single sentence then the word Paigh:ambar in never used in the meaning of Nabi: [Prophet] but it is used in the meaning of Rasu:l [Apostle/Messenger] ,AFU languages.

So this excuse is impossible to be accepted.

There is a third possibility that Mr Jhelumi: used the word Paigh:ambar in some obscure meaning.

But we find this obscure meaning in another lecture . A regular Jhelumi: trick which he has used on regular basis and it has now become well known to almost all his critics.

In his lecture about the distinction between a Nabi: [Prophet] and a Rasu:l [Apostle/Messenger] he has either used the Persian Originated Word [POW] either without any meaning at all or in some very obscure meaning conceived in his pragmatic mind by his apostate ideas. Thus generating some heretic misconceptions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLhJxclfhaE 0:02 to 1:37 {The True Muslim Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza} A Short Video Clip from 08-ILMI-o-Tahqeeqi MAJLIS (Open Q & A Session) with Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza Bhai (Recorded on 13-May-2018) Page 3 of 12

Page 4 of 12 Complete lecture : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luyYSJ4fZlg In an answer to a question about the differences between a Prophet [Nabi:] and an Apostle / a Messenger [Rasu:l] he mentioned some of his ideas as follow:1] “Rasu:l who hota he jis ke: sa:th ‘ALL-H Va’:i:d bhi Na:zil kerta: hae”.

------------------------------------- SB1 Rasu:l is he with whom God [‘-LL-H/’ALL-h] {also} Maketh to descend a warning [ Va’:id].

[The word maketh /make transfoms the meaning from intransitive to transitive. ] ------------------------SB2 Nabi: jo ho:ta: hae , ‘us ka: ‘Inka:r kerne: me:n: ‘:Adh:a:b e ‘Isti:s:a:l Dunya: me:n: nahi:n: , ‘Ata:, ‘A:kh:rat me:n: ‘A:ta: hae. ………………………………… SB3 ‘Anbia:’ [Sing Nabi: , Prophets] are those who invites only, they do not say , if [you] do not believe in us then [you] shall perish, like Yusuf ‘:Alaihis Salam.,,,, --------------------------SB4

Nabi: is he, who is when denied then no Punishment of Extermination [‘Isti:sa:l] is issued in this World , [but] in the next World.

Nabi: Qatl bhi ho:te: hain: , Rasu:l Qatl Nahi:n: hota.

--------------------------------------------------------S B 5 Nabi: [Pl:‘:Ansbia:’, Prophets] are also killed, Rasu:l [Messenger/Apostle ]is not killed.

------------------SB5.1 Rasu:l S:ah:ib e Shari:’:at bhi ho:ta: hae.

----------------------------------SB6 A Rasu:l is also a bearer of the law [S:a:h:ib e Shar’:iah].

-----------------------------------------------------SB7 A Messenger/Apostle is also a bearer of the law [S:a:h:ib e Shar’:iah].

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Page 5 of 12 Next to Last, in this lecture the Jhelumite Apostate does state: Nabi: jo hae Already Shari:’:at wa:le: Nabi: ka Mujaddid Ban ker ‘A:ta: hae.

---------------------------------------------------------- SB9 “Nabi: [Prophet] is he who comes , by becoming a Reformer of an already Law Bearing Prophet”-------------------------------------------------------- SB10 As this translation is irregular but as Mr jhelumi: is habitual for accusing others , it has become a compulsion to translate as above.

But a better translation is given below , without the lost of any significant meaning.

A Prophet is one who comes as a Reformer of a Law bearing Prophet , who is already a Prophet.

----------------------SB11 Last but not the least in this lecture Mr Jhelumi: shares his secret idea as follow.

Paigh:ambar bhi: ho:ta: hae ‘Aur Mujaddid bhi: ho:ta: hae.

------------------------------- SB12 Nabi: is a Paigh:ambar and a Reformer ----------SB13

Now we come to a very sensitive sentence uttered by Mirza: Jhelumi in his lecture in which he declared that Denouncers of Finality of Prophethood are better then the People Of Bible.

In his lecture Mirza: Jhelumi: uttered the most wrong sentence in this century:‘A:p ke: sa:th jo: Qa:diani: haen: jo Nabi: “Alaihis Sala:m ko ‘A:kh:iri: Nabi: Ma:nte haen: lekin sa:th me:n ‘ummati: Nabi: claim karte: hae, kia yeh Yahu:d o Nas:ara: se Badtar haen: ?

------------------------------------------------- SC1 0:02 to 0:12 The Qa:diani:s [ Mah:mu:di: Mirza:’is], who are with you, who believe [about] Nabi: [Prophet] ‘:Alaihis Sala:m as the Last Prophet, yet claim an ‘Ummati Nabi:, are they worse than Yahu:d [Jews] and Christians [Nas:a:ra:]? ------------------------- SC2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbwl1havaU Preliminary 1 Page 5 of 12

Page 6 of 12 In the sentence “Rasu:l is he with whom God [‘-LL-H/’ALL-h] Maketh to descend a warning [a Va’:id]”, See SB2 and SB3 Mirza: Jhelumi: tries to make a space for Munkiri:ri:n of Kh:atmun Nubu:vah .

This means that if a Person claims to be a Prophet and and alsodoes utter a warning but he claims that he is not a bearer of a Divine Law, then he can be a Apostle/Rasu:l. This is what Mah:mu:di: Mirza’i:s believe that the Father of Mirza: Mah:mu:d ‘Ah:mad was not only a Prophet but also an Apostle / a Messenger [Rasu:l].

Since if to bring a New Law is in the definition of a Rasu:l [Apostle/Messenger] then the claim of being a Rasu:l directly contradicts the definition.

So it is clear that Mirza: Jhelumi: has tried to remove a possible objection on the belief of Mah:mu:dites , that the father of Mirza: Mah:mu:d was a Rasu:l [Apostle/Messenger]. Since the Father of Mirza: Mah:mu:d “Ah:mad is not believed to bring a Divine Law yet they believe that the Father of Mirza: Mah:mu:d ‘Ah:mad did brought few warnings.

Premilinary 2 Mirza: Jhelumi: says:Nabi: [Pl:‘:Ansbia:’, Prophets] are also killed, Rasu:l [Messenger/Apostle ]is not killed.

See Sb5 and SB5.1 On the contrary Qur’a:n Saith:[They are] those who said, "Indeed, Allah has taken our promise not to believe any messenger until he brings us an offering which fire [from heaven] will consume." Say, "There have already come to you messengers before me with clear proofs and [even] that of which you speak. So why did you kill them, if you should be truthful?" [3:183] An other translation of the Verse 3:183 is as fallow There are those who say. verily God hath covenanted with us that we should believe not in an apostle until he bring unto us a sacrifice which a fire shall devour. Say thou: surety there came unto you apostles before me with evidences and with that which ye speak of, wherefore then did ye slay them, if ye say sooth?

This verse proveth that some Rusul [Messengers/Apostles, Sing: Rasu:l] were Killed before the Holy Prophet.

Inspite of this Mirza Jhelumi: is of the view that Rusul cannot be killed.

Why Mirza: Jhelumi: made an opinion against the teaching of the Verse 3:183?

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Page 7 of 12 The answer is quite simple to understand. What he want to convey in the mind of his listeners the following idea ,that is :If a person claims to be a Paigh:ambar , and is not killed, then he his an Apostle i.e a Messenger [Rasu:l].

Once again Mirza: Jhelumi: is supporting the Mah:mudite’s claim that the father of Mirza: Mah:mu:d “Ah:mad died a natural death and was neither killed nor murdered ,nor slayed.

It must be noted that Mirza: jhelumi: missed this ‘A:yah deliberately, as if he did not know that this ‘A:yah existeth in the Text of Cannon of Sacred Qur’a:n.

Preliminary 3 Mirza: Jhelumi: says:“Nabi: [Prophet] is he who comes , by becoming a Reformer of an already Law Bearing Prophet”-------------------------------------------------------See SB9, SB10 and SB11 This sentence purports to express if not to define the word “Nabi: /Prophet”.

But in this sentence Mirza: Jhelumi: uses the word Prophet/Nabi: with a condition to express or to define the word Prophet/Nabi: . This is once again a meaning less expression , and a tautological expression if it is an expression , and a circular definition if it is a definition . How ever once again Mirza: Jhelumi: compels the minds of his simple minded followers to conceive only one thing that a Prophet/Nabi: is a Reformer /Mujaddid.

Preliminary 4 What this shews that Mr Jhelumi: has embedded ideas of denouncers of Kh:atmun Nubu:vah , so that his followers may believe that the word Paigh:ambar is a word that is variable in regard to its meanings, and can be used in a far more general meaning, more general then the meanings of Rasu:l [Apostle/Messenger] And Nabi: [Prophet].

According to the law If “A is B and C” then this Logically Implies “A is B”.

That is as follow:-

If it is true that “A is B and C “ then it is true that “A is B”.

This means if “a Prophet [Nabi:] is a Paigh:ambar and a Reformer” then “ a Prophet is a Paigh:ambar”.

Now if a Prophet [Nabi:] is a Paigh:ambar , then what is a Paigh:ambar.

This is a question which his sentences imply to conceive in the minds of his lectures.

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Preliminary 5 An Analysis of the definitions and expressions used by Mr Jhelumi: .

Nabi: is a Paigh:ambar and a Reformer SB12 and SB13 This sentence in symbolic form is as follow A is B and C The word Paigh:ambar cannot be used in the meaning of Nabi: .

Since the meaning becomes incorrect/ If it is used in the meaning of Nabi: then B means A So the sentence reduces to the following meaning less form.

A is A and C. This is no definition. This is not even a propher tautology.

What this man is doing with his blind followers. This is not even the First law of Thoughts.

Also one may refer to the rule that when the words Paigh:ambar and Nabi: are used languages like Persian ,Sindhi: Pakhtu, Urdu , and even in Panja:bi: they cannot be used in one and the same meaning.

Now the word Paigh:ambar cannot be used in the sentence uttered by mr jhelumi from his own mouth, through his own tongue that in the meaning of Rasu:l [Messenger/Apostle], then this means that according to this meaning of the word in the sentence , the meaning becomes as follow:A Nabi/Prophet is a Rasu:l/Messenger /an Apostle and a Reformer. Now every thing becomes Topsyturvy.

How ever Mr Jhelumi: is successful in compelling the minds of his blind followers to conceive the apostate idea that the word Paigh:ambar can be used in a meaning which is far more general than the meanings of Rasu:l [Apostle/Messenger] and Nabi: [Prophet].

This means according to Mirza: Jhelumi: All Apostles/Messengers are Prophets , and All Prophets are Paigh:ambars .

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Page 9 of 12 This is the result he has generated in the mind of his followers through is lectures.

He has shewn his inclinations to Qadianis in the following lecture.

Preliminary 6 Now consider the sentences SC1 and SC2 It ha become obvious that Mr Jhelumi: is now successful in convincing his followers that a to believe in an ‘Ummati Nabi: [Prophet / Nabi: in a CommunityCommunity] is some thing which does not contradicts the Finality of the Holy Prophet, and so according to Mr Jhelumi: that is why Mah:mu:di: Mirza:’is believe that Holy Prophet is the last Prophet yet claim a Community based Prophet [‘Ummati: Nabi:].

Further his tendencies towards the denouncers of the finality of Prophethood many be seen in the foolowing lecture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbwl1havaU Conclusion Mirza: Jhelumi: wanted to confuse the meaning and sense of Nabi: and Rasu:l in the minds of his lisensers. So first he confused the meaning of Nabi: .

Then he introduced the Persian Term Paigh:amber making it independedent of its original meaning and using it as if it is more general than Nabi: . Now when he though that his followers have lost the concept and sense of the term Nabi:/ Prophet , He declared that Mah:mudites believe that Holy prophet is the Last Prophet.

A Possible Response By Mirza: Jhelumi: A Formula type response of Mirza: S:ah:ib of Jhelum is that his sentences are chopped of from the context. But this is not correct.

Nothing has been chopped of from the context. Actually Mirza: Jhelumi: does not stick to one topic. In his lectures he use to shift from one topic to another topic. So this technique developed by him confuses his listeners. So he takes benefits of this confusion. But we have provided links ,so that if our readers are confused they should refer to the original tectures uttered by Mirza: Jhelumi: through his own tongue , so that no doubt of neglecting the context generates.

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Disclaimer The author is “Ahlussunnah and cannot say any thing against the fundamental Axioms of ‘Ahlussunnah. How ever Author is not responsible for any distort of Meaning due to errors by the typist.

A simple request to the followers of Mirza: Jhelumi:.

He is playing with the Axioms and fundamentals of “Isla:m. How many proofs do you require to make you realise that apostate and heretic of of Jhelum is just an other deceiver , who deceives in the name of Sectless ‘Isla:m . Please listen to his lectures and analyse your selves .

He is playing with the Axioms and fundamentals of “Isla:m. How many proofs do you require to make you realise that apostate and heretic of of Jhelum is just an other deceiver , who deceives in the name of Sectless ‘Isla:m . Please listen to his lectures and analyse your selves .

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followers of Mirza: Jhelumi: Mirza: Jhelumi: is playing with the faith of Muslims regardless of their sects and cults.

You are informed and we shall not be held responsible on the Day Of judgement after the Doomsday.Mirza: Jhelumi: is playing with the faith of Muslims regardless of their sects and cults.

You are informed and we shall not be held responsible on the Day Of Judgement after the Doomsday.

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