DB: What would you say was the fact that people couldn’t stay with?
K: It causes a certain amount - but we are discussing the idea of time,inwardly.
K: The Christians have said, Original Sin.
DB: So we have to see why time is so destructive inwardly.
DB: But the wrong turn happened long before that. K: Because I am trying to become something. K: Yes, long before that. Long before that, the Hindus had this idea of Karma. What is the origin of all this? DB: We have said that there was the fact that people couldn’t stay with. Whatever it was, they wanted to imagine something better. K: Yes, something better. Becoming! DB: And you could say that they began to make things technologically better, then they extended this, and said, `I too must become better.'
DB: Yes, but most people would say that this is only natural. You have to explain what it is that is wrong about becoming. K: Obviously, there is conflict, in that when I am trying to become something, it is a constant battle. DB: Yes. Can we go into that: why is it a constant battle? It is not a battle if I try to improve my position outwardly.
K: Yes, inwardly become better.
K: Outwardly, no. It is more or less all right outwardly, but when that same principle is applied inwardly it brings about a contradiction.
DB: All of us together must become better.
DB: And the contradiction is.?
K: That’s right. What is the root of all this?
K: Between ‘what is’ and ‘becoming what should be’.
DB: Well, I should think it is natural in thought to project this goal of becoming better. That is, it is intrinsic in the structure of thought.
DB: The difficulty is why is it a contradiction inwardly and not outwardly?
K: Is it that the principle of becoming better outwardly has moved to becoming better inwardly?
K: Inwardly it builds up a centre, doesn’t it, an egotistic centre?
DB: If it is good to become better outwardly, then why shouldn't I become better inwardly?
DB: Yes, but can we find some reason why it should do so? Does it build up when we do it outwardly? It seems it need not.
K: Is that the cause of the conflict?
K: It need not.
DB: That is getting towards it. It's coming nearer. K: Is it coming nearer? Is time the factor? Time - as ‘I need knowledge in order to do this or that’? The same principle applied inwardly? Is time the factor?
DB: But when we are doing it inwardly, then we are trying to force ourselves to be something that we are not. K: Yes. That is a fact. Is it that one's brain is so accustomed to conflict that one rejects any other form of living?
DB: I can’t see that time by itself can be the only factor.
DB: But why have people come to the conclusion that conflict is inevitable and necessary?
K: No, no. Time. Becoming - which implies time. K: What is the origin of conflict? DB: Yes, but we don’t see how time is going to cause trouble. We have to say that time applied outwardly doesn't cause any difficulty.
DB: I think we touched on that by saying that we are trying to force ourselves. When we are a certain