Protein production for humans

An email discussion about protein production for humans February 26, 2022 This discussion is among a group contributing to the website: allaboutenergy.net.

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John Shanahan - USA There is no doubt that feeding the world today has environmental consequences both on land and in the oceans. If we are going to have 9 billion people on Earth, not 1 billion or less like for all of history up to 1800 AD, we need to have good food production management, just like we need good energy management.

These challenges for food and energy can't be left to tyrants, power grabbers, or people only focused on personal profits.

Like with many issues, I think that the Schiller Institute is searching for good solutions.

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Rick Sanders - USA Bill Gates is looking more and more like an insect every day. He is a Malthusian killer.

I was organizing people for the IDB, International Development Bank, in the early 1970's. We proved by simple calculations, by taking several areas of the world currently producing food, e.g., (the Rio de la Plata and the Ganges-Bhramaputra river delta, that if capital goods, drills, wells, fertilizer, etc. were used to bring those areas up to the productivity/hectare as in the Netherlands and Belgium, for example, WITHOUT BRINGING A SQUARE INCH MORE UNDER CULTIVATION, those areas could by themselves produce as much food as the entire world was producing at that time!

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If the world, and the abused former colonial countries, would have been allowed to develop thousands of nuclear plants, to produce cheap electricity to raise the standard of living and develop, we would not be in the mess we are today. We must fix that now.

We have a surplus of parasitic billionaires; the US is spending trillions of dollars on defense, which itself could feed the whole world over many times. For what? Because the hungry people next door plan to invade and steal our food?

The great Ukrainian-Russian founder of Biogeochemistry, Vladimir Vernadsky, already in the 1930's estimated that the Earth (even at the level of technology foreseeable then), could support a trillion people.

As we go out and colonize space, we are going to need trillions and quadrillions of human beings, the most beautiful species - and that's just for near space! The sky's the limit.

That is my view, and the view of the Schiller Institute.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ed Olinek - USA “… we need to have good food production management, just like we need good energy management.

These challenges for food and energy can't be left to tyrants, power grabbers, or people only focused on personal profits. “ Thank you JohnS for stating the case so we’ll! (see John’s message above) You bring to light critical consideration when discussing ‘industry-only’ involvement in the distribution of ‘common wealth’ concerns such as distribution of air, water, and natural resources (including the right to pollute for the sake of profit).

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To those who advocate laissez faire approach to government, I ask, how’s this working out for us now? (Be careful what you ask for).

The oligarchs in Russia (and soon the Autocrats in America) are emboldened by the laissez faire approach to government that is prevailing in democratic countries today.

Because of ‘look-the-other-way’ legislation, and timid reaction to attacks on democratic institutions, greed-mongers throughout the world continually gain stranglehold/s on arable land, food production, pharmaceuticals, water rights, energy, and mining resources (including oil & gas), as well as regulatory agencies and banking and information systems, to a point that we see the ‘brazen’ and ‘bizarre’ enactments of aggression by neighboring countries, and impact/s that oligarchy & autocracy have on the sovereignty of nations and rights to self-determination!

And last night, a threat of nuclear warfare on a democratic nation was introduced to the rhetoric by an aggressive autocracy.

We need accountability - to ensure stability!

Thank you John, you stated it well.

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Eric Jelinski - Canada People; you need to read this and the associated links.

Communist Takeover: Without Firing a Shot, China Seizes Control of America's Farmlands - RAIR (rairfoundation.com) There are several factors to population growth, virile fecundity, food, disease and waste treatment.

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The first factor has western nations on the decline.

Food: lots of quantity but declining quality due to soil depletion results in reduced fecundity and growing populations of co-morbid people, eg. obese, fatty liver disease, heart disease, diabetes, autism. People eating excess carbohydrates (sugar, sucrose) , insufficient vitamins and minerals, becomes a burden on healthcare costs vs investment in infrastructure. For example, in Ontario, the healthcare costs are ~50% of the annual provincial revenue streams. That is quite a burden. What is it in your country/state?

Are we feeding our own country's populations properly? Nope ! Fast foods make fast profits for big business.

Diseases gain advantage when people become co-morbid. Certain diseases have been eliminated in western nations by vaccines. Case in point, Covid has not been eliminated because the designated solution, the vaccine is not actually a vaccine but some other compound that does not protect, while producing side effects of unknown magnitude and duration. Thankfully governments everywhere are slowly coming to their senses to phase out the vax, yet in two years have done nothing to promote natural immunity.

In the west, we have excellent waste treatment for dealing with sewage, and recycling of metals and plastics. Not so in many other countries. Waste contamination of food is a big concern. I am reminded about the recall of food products from large farms and processors. How might that happen?

Irrigation of food crops with contaminated water, washing of food with contaminated water, food that has expired/spoiled in the market.

Water is one essence of life. Observe the history of major rivers in the world being tapped for water, either for food production and/or water for people, 2.7 to 3.7 liters per day (Mayo Clinic), now multiply by 9 billion.

Many major rivers have been tapped to the point they never reach the ocean. Drilling for water reservoirs is a major undertaking. Virtually all of US midwest food production is based on irrigation of drilled water. Aral Sea shrinkage is an example. Salination of soil is occurring.

The fact is that we run out of food when we run out of water, be that from the ground or from rain above.

We need to be very careful about controls by big governments. Eg. The covid response has been a screw-up. The 5 year food production plans during the Stalin government control of all farming via state farms, kolhoz 4

resulted in people starving, and state farms were later privatized in order to feed the cities and factory workers. What caused starvation is when farmers had no incentive to work 24/7 as they do today. Crops were left unharvested because it was 5 o’clock and time to book off work.

In the west, we have refrigerators and are able to stock up on food, usually shopping once a week on a cycle determined by their pay cheques from working in an office or factory.

In many parts of the world electricity is scarce as are refrigerators, people shop for food daily from small farms bringing food to markets.

The problem with the western world is that they think they have it made if they have a 9 to 5 job, and rely on somebody else looking after the other 16 hours of your living.

How will people of the future be fed? Will it be small farms or large farms?

My bet is on many small farms simply because large farms need large amounts of capital, infrastructure, chemicals, genetic modified seeds to support their ‘efficiency’ while at the same time, the GMO’s, chemicals, refined flours, sucrose and nitrate based preservatives are what is causing the reduced fecundity and opening pathways for diseases.

While what I have written may sound counter to what the propaganda machines have published, it is time to open our eyes.

Cheers, Eric

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