Dance Umbrella Gazette 2015 #3

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New Dance Writing – Festival Edition

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“I’m the queen of slowness” Layla Leiman chats to Sonia Radebe about Ngizwise When she made Ngizwise, Sonia Radebe was the only female dancer in Moving Into Dance Mophatong (MIDM), and had been for many years. “I had quite a few challenges,” she says in an interview ahead of the work’s showing at Dance Umbrella 2015, “because I thought: am I expected to do more acrobatic movements because I am working with men? I said no, I will work however the piece wants me to work. That doesn’t make me any less of a choreographer or daring choreographer.” This honesty and personal conviction is perhaps a part of what informed Radebe’s decision to leave MIDM after 10 years and go independent at the end of last year. Since then she has been busy in studio “really trying to find my artistic voice. I think that’s where it should start from. Before I can say ‘jump high’, I think firstly I need to learn what jumping means, and see if I can jump, and only then ask others to jump.”

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Ngizwise, which was created in collaboration with Canadian choreographer Jennifer Dallas, foreshadowed, and perhaps influenced, her current reflective attitude. “The creation process entailed lots of discussions between [ourselves] and the dancers. We spoke about our backgrounds, we shared our personal histories and the country’s history … it was an important space for us to share, to say ‘hey, this is what has happened.” Some of these stories – sad, good, funny, and shocking – Radebe admits have been heard before. But this makes them no less important. “We can’t just delete and do away with them. They’re scars and memories that have history and we carry them with us each and every day.” Ngizwise, which is isiZulu for “let me have a taste of that”, also translates as “help me listen.” Radebe explains that this is “like when you’ve heard something and you’re perplexed by what it means.” This notion of processing and reflecting on the past is at the core of the work, but it was only through making it that she realised this was the case. “I allow the work to speak to me and then in the creation process that’s when I hear what it is trying to say.” The choreography followed a similarly immersive and experimental trajectory. It was clear to Radebe and Dallas that whatever movement language they created had to be authentic to the cast and had to display their abilities. “The last thing that we wanted to see was the dancers suffering on stage, or feeling uncomfortable with what they’re doing.” As a result, the work has a lot of humour and laughter in it, singing, but also ritualistic and slow movements. “I’m not scared of slowness as a performer, whether witnessing it or doing it. In terms of the piece, most of the sections were so beautiful in such a way that it felt wrong to disrupt and rush them.” This understanding and appreciation of slowness is a quality she came to appreciate from MIDM founder, Sylvia Glasser. “If you move too fast, you don’t breathe. We love sweating as dancers, but sometimes the sweat doesn’t mean that you’re actually working,” she jokes. “So I’m the queen of slowness.”

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By way of example, Radebe cites a duet where the dancers move crates from each other’s heads without using their arms: “It’s really lovely to see how the bodies move together and try to find ways to assist each other. I think our bodies tell a lot of stories that you don’t need words to explain. This section gives me the ability to really appreciate how the body moves, not without technique, but for the sake of it being a body. It was quite challenging for the guys. It’s actually more tiring than being fast.”

“I need to learn what jumping means” Another significant scene in Ngizwise is the ritualistic wrapping of six metres of isiShwe-Shwe fabric around one of the dancer’s heads. This pays tribute to women and the role that they play in society. She also wanted to show an alternate portrayal of masculinity, one which is soft and caring; feminine without being effeminate. This followed on from discussions the cast had around a skirt, depicted in one of the images Dallas and herself wanted to have on stage. “Some of the guys were quite reluctant because they felt like ‘why a skirt in 2015, you know I’m not gay’. So I actually gave them a task to research the skirt in black tradition. You know, Xhosas have always worn skirts, so have the Masai, so it’s not what we think it is. After this they were quite open to it, and after a while they didn’t want to take them off. You move differently in a skirt, it’s like there’s another performer on stage with you, so you can’t avoid that. In fact, some of the choreography was actually created from the skirts, and how we interact and move in them.” Radebe’s hope is that Ngizwise will spark conversations for the audience. “It’s through talking about our history that we will be able to make sense of it and move forward.” – Ngizwise will show at the John Kani Theatre on the 14th and 15th of March. Ngizwise is choreographed by Sonia Radebe and Jennifer Dallas. Pic by Val Adamson

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