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News Engineers Australia Northern Division

October 2009

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President’s Report 2009 Engineering Excellence Awards Director’s Report CDU Careers Fair Sunchase Darwin Tiger Brennan Drive Open Day Darwin River Dam Site Visit National Science & Engineering Challenge—Darwin High School National Assessor Visit—Register now Poole’s Ponderings Young Engineers Make it Happen Yyoung Engineers Annual General Meeting Calendar of Events

From the President Well the Division’s Engineering Excellence Awards are over and the winning projects and people are to be congratulated. What a range of projects. What a fine dinner.

Thanks to attendees for making it such a success. You will be pleased to know Adam James has completely recovered from his voice ailment. While I heard many positive comments, one adverse comment I heard was why was there so many contractors on the podium and so few consultants.

for you to contribute to our organisation by nominating for positions on the management committee. The committee is made up of elected and appointed members and represents a broad spread of the engineering disciplines and activities. If you are interested and want to get more information call me or Len (your incoming President) or Bronwyn.

Peter Hagan, President

Many of our members are with contractors and we thank them for their support, as well some of our consultants have been consistent entrants in the awards over many years. We are pleased to get quality entries from our members. It is up to members and their employers to make sure they enter and get the recognition they deserve.

2009 Engineering Excellence Award Project Entrants

Recent national polls have shown the climate change has fallen in importance since the onset of the global financial crisis. All those who attended Ron Cox’s repeat presentation on climate change and its challenges will attest that initiatives need to be taken and EA locally will endeavour to see that the issue remains high on the agenda both at a Territory and National level. The top end has some particular issues with the nature of the river systems and continuining research into this area is critical.

Again I encourage you to visit makeitso.org.au and register. Building our profession is vital to the ongoing or improved wellbeing of our communities. We need your help.

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2009 Engineering Excellence Awards Over 310 guests celebrated the 2009 Engineering Excellence 2009 People in Engineering Awards Awards at the Darwin Convention Centre on Friday, 18 September.

Lindsay Montieth of GHD Pty Ltd won Professional Engineer of the Year. Engineering Technologist of the Year was awarded The Awards were themed around the institution’s 90th Birth- to Tom Maher of Darwin City Council while Captain Michael day—”Looking Forward Looking Back” with props loaned from Thompson from the 1st Mentoring and Reconstruction Task the Museum and Art Gallery of the Northern Territory including Force took out Young Professional Engineer. a 1918 AEC Truck and a 1904 Olds Mobile Model Replica which was built from the ground up by Mr Leo Izod in the first 6 months of this year, as well as a penny farthing and an old motor which are all currently housed at the Old Qantas Hangar.

The “Looking Forward” was enhanced by the use of a IS250C Lexus convertible which made its grand entrance at the Awards and was kindly provided by Lexus (Bridge Toyota).

Thank you to Leo, the Qantas Hangar team, Trevor Horman and John Mitchell from Bridge Toyota for their assistance in making the Awards most memorable.

Alice Springs projects took out top gong at the Awards. Crowne Plaza “Solar Array” took out the 2009 Engineering Excellence Award with Desert Knowledge Solar Centre taking out the 2009 Engineering Excellence Award for Research. The Crowne Plaza also took out the ANZSES Sustainability Award. All of the projects were entered by CAT Projects Pty Ltd which was headed by the then previous General Manager and national award winner, Grant Behrendorf. Grant won Engineers Australia National Tech- Fred Finch and his wife Lynn, were the lucky winners of the door nologist of the Year in 2007. prize of a weekend use of the Lexus Convertible which was kindly donated by Bridge Toyota.

Fred and Lynn were deThe Works Section of the 1st Mentoring and Reconstruction lighted with their prize.

Task Force (MRTF1) in Afghanistan took out the much deserved People’s Choice Award and President’s Award.

The Crowd was entertained by Raymond Crowe, Unusualist with some very funny moments for members, in particular Adam GHD Pty Ltd and The Department of Planning and InfrastrucJames and Jacinta Kelly. And, of course, members danced the ture also basked in the limelight for Engineering Excellence night away with the music of Silverback who are always a huge Award for Reports, Procedures and Systems. hit.

Highly Commended Award winners were; Telstra Corporation The Division President and staff would like to thank all entrants for Community Engagement for the Arnhem Land Fibre Project, to the Awards, our partners, sponsors, supporters, friends and Macmahon Contractors for the Bradshaw ICTC Towers near members who continually support this annual event.

Timber Creek for Project Management and GHD Pty Ltd and Power & Water Corporation’s Ben Hammond Centre for Environment and Sustainability.

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Director’s Report Now that the 2009 Engineering Excellence Awards are behind us we are able to reflect on how it went. The general consensus from those who attended was that it was an entertaining night. Ray Crowe certainly had everyone enthralled as the entertainer and for those who missed out you can see part of his act on youtube with shadow puppetry to the Louis Armstrong song What a Wonderful World.

Each year we get an interesting range of entries and, as the national judge said to us, it is always different to what is seen in the southern divisions.

Thank you to the companies who take the time and effort to put in their projects each year. It is your effort that keeps the Awards interesting and provides us with an event. Congratulations again to all winners, including those in the individual awards, and commiserations to those who didn’t. The National Awards in Canberra are the next challenge in November for all of our winners.

A massive thank you to the Museum and Art Gallery of the NT who loaned us the pieces for display during the awards. A special mention again goes to Leo Izod for the work that he did for this occasion. Leo certainly is doing his bit to maintain the heritage of the Northern Territory and tirelessly gives his time and energy to make sure that everyone gets to benefit.

Engineers Australia is now officially 90 years old. We have been promoting the theme all year of “Looking Forward Looking Back” and Northern Division has taken this on with gusto. Those who attended the awards were impressed with the 90 year old AEC truck combined with the very modern Lexus convertible which highlighted how far engineering has come just in the automotive field.

We were excited to be able to support the Darwin High School team to attend the national Science and Engineering Challenge event in Bendigo. We understand that they came fourth on the day which is a mighty effort. This is the second year that a team has managed to go from Northern Division with Alice Springs OLSH School attending last year.

We have managed to run the Sunchase event for both Alice Springs and Darwin schools again this year. We have a very active committee in Alice Springs with a track that enables winners to go to the national event with their cars. A big thank you to Steve Sawyer and his gang in the centre who make this happen.

Darwin does not have a track and so is restricted to racing kit cars. This year the students were able to mix it with the big cars at the scrutineering in Darwin for the Global Green Challenge to give them a sense where technology can take them.

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The Sunchase event which was held in Darwin on Thursday, 22nd October was a fantastic event with over 200 primary school children in attendance. The event was held in conjunction with the “Global Green Challenge”, an event which attracts international attention. A big thank you to the many volunteers who helped make the day a great success.

Bronwyn Russell Executive Director

CDU - Engineering & IT Career Fair Engineers Australia joined forces with Hays Engineering Recruitment arm at the CDU Careers Expo which was held on Friday 25 September. The Fair was aimed at all undergraduate and graduate students in Engineering and Information Technology.

With over 15 displays on site during the Fair, it was a perfect opportunity for the Division to launch their student vacation handbook and for Hays to provide useful information on salary comparisons.

Sunchase 2009 - a resounding success Over 200 Darwin Primary school students enjoyed basking under clear skies as 52 SunChase solar kit cars raced to the finish line at the Darwin Show Grounds this week.

This all happened thanks to Engineers Australia, Power and Water Corporation, NORTRUSS, BP Solar and Lee Point Electrical.

going to primary school next year, here’s the challenge … Come along and change SunChase history. Give the existing SunChase winners and place getters a run for their money.

See you next year!

Rosemary O’Reilly, Youth Program Coordinator (Engineers Australia)

Challenging the students with great team spirit, construction skills and ability to smile in the face of adversity (some cars just didn’t go), the students participated with unmistakable enthusiasm.

The day consisted of: 52 trial races, 52 timed races, 4 heats and 2 finals. But there’s more. It also consisted of 10 hard working teachers and 20 valiant volunteers whose help made the day so enjoyable.

Bronwyn Russell steered the event as the tireless MC. During the day she had the opportunity to interview Mr Chris Selwood, Coordinator of the “Global Green Challenge” event that has world wide attention every two years and starts in our very own Northern Territory. The Global Green Challenge solar car race travels the Stuart Highway all the way to South Australia and involves “big” solar cars from many nations.

The students, teachers and volunteers were able to view the scrutineering of the “big” cars between SunChase race commitments as the two events were held at the same location.

The outcome of the races were as follows: Middle Primary: Winner, Lighting Speed (Larrakeyah Primary), 2nd, Speed of Lightning (Sacred Heart Primary), 3rd, Lightning (Larrakeyah Primary) … there is a theme here folks … Upper Primary: Winner, MC’s (Larrakeyah Primary), 2nd, Eclipse (St Andrew Lutheran School) and 3rd were Flares (Larrakeyah Primary).

So what’s next? In 2010 we aim to host a solar boat division in conjunction with the kit cars. It will take the enthusiasm of the schools to help make this possible.

Mr Graham Chadwick, Principal of Larrakeyah Primary School in the Northern Territory, said the event was a great success and that he was convinced the students enjoyed the day. "The students are naturally competitive and enjoy the challenge of competing, and of course the experience of winning is always a bonus" he said. I asked Mr Chadwick if he planned to come along again next year and his answer was a resounding Yes! So if you are reading this article and you know or have children

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Tiger Brennan Drive Open Day Tiger Brennan Drive Open Day was held on 17 October by the Department of Infrastructure and Planning Construction Division, Macmahon Contractors and SKM. Over 1200 people came through the gates and joined in the many events including winning rides in a dump truck, helicopter rides and bus rides around the site—you had the option of a 15 minute trip or 30 minute trip around the site.

The $89 million project has moved over 250,000 tonnes of soil.

Water pipes and power infrastructure also had to be relocated to accommodate the road and all the soil on the Palmerston side (wetlands) had to be removed, dried and then replaced to ensure compacticability for when the bridges and roads were eventually constructured.

The project incorporates 3 bridges which includes a cycle path to Palmerston and Rural areas.

Many community groups benefited from the open day and supplied sausage sizzles, drinks and ice-creams. There was a jumping castle for the kids and a Tonka Truck sandpit.

Engineers Australia displayed along with Department of Planning and Infrastructure, Engineers Without Borders, Civil Construction Association, Cardno Willing NT, and Larrakeyah Nation (who assist with the recycling of the vegetation) and others.

The weather could have been more enjoyable but overall it was a very well organised event. Congratulations to Macmahon Contractors and Department of Planning and Infrastructure.

Darwin River Dam Site Visit Over 25 members attended the Darwin river Dam Site Visit in early September. The project entails raising the spillway and the main embankment/ impermeable core. The lift of 1.3 metres is the optimum height to maximise water yield from the dam at the lowest cost, and will give an extra 20 percent storage capacity. Engineering works consist of installing concrete structures on the existing concrete weir of the spillway, and raising the impermeable core of the dam wall to match the new full supply level.

The Power and Water team took our engineering members across the unfinished wall and provided an extensive insight into the engineering of the raised wall.

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National Science & Engineering Challenge Darwin High School does the Territory Proud

On Wednesday 21 October, 23 students and two staff from Darwin High School represented the Northern Territory and attended the Grand Science and Engineering Challenge in Bendigo. Over 800 schools participated in the challenges from across Australia and 16 finalist attended the Grand Challenge in Bendigo.

The event involved students participating in Engineering challenges including making a hot air balloon move around an obstacle course, a hovercraft to travel in a straight line, a bridge that holds significant weight, the fastest boat – and the list goes on. All events had a time limit with limited materials to use.

Darwin High School came fourth in the Silver Division, much to the delight of the students, teachers and parents watching on the web. Students had a fantastic time and the event was a brilliant opportunity for the students to meet like minded peers from around Australia.

The trip would not have been possible without the sponsorship and support from Engineers Australia, Charles Darwin University, Darwin branch of the Bendigo Bank and Rotary Club Bendigo. Thanks also go to Rosemary O'Reilly and Karen Relph from Engineers Australia Northern Division for the assistance leading up to this event.

Students are already excited about future competitions with many now considering a career in the Science Engineering area.

If you would like to see any of the photos, please email trevor.read@ntschools.net Written by: Trevor Read Assistant Principal Year 10 Darwin High School Ph: (08) 8999 1203

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Poole’s Ponderings Steelcon Constructions and forty two years of Territory Infrastructure In early September I was at home in bed suffering from the effects of food poisoning, how I got food poisoning is another story! The radio was on the local ABC station providing some background noise to help pass the time; sometime in the morning the announcer introduced an Engineer in a guest spot and they commenced to speculate about the history and construction of the Palmerston water tower.

The thrust of the radio discussion / interview was on when the water tower was constructed, the techniques involved and whether the expertise now existed in the Northern Territory to erect such a structure. I telephoned and added my little bit of retained memory to the discussion; construction was by Steelcon in the early 1980’s support shaft was slip formed, tank structure was cast in segments at ground level, post tensioned together then jacked to its elevated position. I advised of Steelcons expertise and the amount of valuable work they had done throughout the Territory; this caused the announcer to ask if I was associated with them in some way? I gave the short and correct answer of no; however on reflection, (Poole later Pondering), I should have advised I have had a parallel path to Steelcon in the past forty two years.

A few days later whilst waiting for the bus I looked over to Steelcons Berrimah yard as a crane was lifting precast prestressed beams from the casting bed; the subject of this newsletter article was then decided. The role Steelcon have played in Territory infrastructure construction should be restated.

The majority of the Territory population makes use of infrastructure constructed by Steelcon each and every day of their lives.

Steelcon have constructed elevated and ground level water tanks in the major centres and remote towns, sewer mains and treatment plants, bridges of all sizes on the national highways, (the Bagot Road overpass) and pedestrian footbridges. Other works which the public might not use as often are the marine, airport and defence infrastructure and mine infrastructure.

Steelcon published a booklet in 1992 “Steelcon 25 Years 19671992” the booklet contains a comprehensive summary of their operations in the Territory and Queensland. The introduction to the book states:-

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“Steelcon commenced operations in 1967 in Mt Isa and began working in the Northern Territory in the same year.

The first contract undertaken was for Mt Isa Mines, and the Wave Hill - Top Springs Beef road Project marked the organizations entry to “The Territory” Projects have become larger and more challenging over time, and have included steel fabrication and mechanical installation- particularly in Mt Isa. In the Northern Territory the work has been predominantly civil and structural with an emphasis on bridge work.

The company pioneered the use of slip forming and post tensioning of precast concrete in the Northern Territory, and self sufficiency is a hallmark of Steelcons approach to construction. The likes of precast piling, slip forming and steel fabrication are handled “in house” rather than by engaging sub-contractors, and it is this modus operandi which has ensured success in all projects – particularly those which have been in remote locations and logistically difficult. A good number of contracts have also included responsibility for design, the majority of which has been carried out by Geoff Verge of Brown Verge Harris and Sutherland in Sydney.

This retrospective covers 25 years of activity throughout Queensland and the Northern Territory, and is dedicated to those who have contributed skill, advice, ingenuity and sheer hard work to the many projects. Steelcons success over the years has been due, in no small part, to the efforts of all those people who have been involved and we again offer our sincere thanks to them.”

The forth paragraph succinctly describes Steelcon and its method of operation, at a time when the Territory was remote and technology very basic state of the art methods and new technologies were introduced and applied to construction.

It is interesting to compare Steelcons record of establishing a presence in the Territory with those recorded by George Redmond, The Director of Works at the time. Redmond in his unpublished work “A History of Public Works in the Northern Territory” wrote:“Steelcon Construction Pty Ltd - Guido Zuccoli and other principals of Steelcon visited Darwin from Mount Isa for two days in

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January 1967. They were finding contracts in their area of operation becoming scarce and I was having difficulty in attracting contractors to tender for Radio Australia Buildings. In their two days in Darwin they lodged a tender for the main power house building. As I was anxious that I interviewed them before they left the Territory I arranged an appointment at the Parap Hotel.

given for the origin of the name states “a world renowned aerobatic pilot and Northern Territory business man whose company built the first structure in Palmerston in 1984 the water tower in the city centre” I think the infrastructure constructed by Steelcon under Zuccolis leadership deserves greater recognition. The Territory is a better place to live and work because of Steelcons efforts.

As there was at the time a severe tropical rainstorm their inter- Throughout my working life in the Territory I have crossed paths view was carried out in the back of my car. Steelcon won and continually with Steelcon, the Top Springs Wave Hill beef road were awarded the contract on 13 February in the amount of where Steelcon started building bridges in the Territory was my $122,681. They moved quickly on the first job in the Territory. The project and by the end of 1967 had original “high level’ bridge over the power house building comthe Victoria River. (The thin pleted. Steelcon Constructions were walled slip formed one million to win many contracts in the Terrigallon tank in Katherine had tory. A capable contractor who filled problems caused by climate, a serious gap in the Northern Terrimix designs and concrete, additory’s contractual capabilities. A contives for concrete mix improvetractor specializing in structural proment were not available.) The jects and not afraid of work in reCullen River bridge where sevmote areas. A combination of qualieral hundred cubic yards of ties not then available in the Terriconcrete were mixed in one agitory, Steelcon as well as constructing tator truck with cement supmany other projects had become our plied in 50kg bags. The major bridge contractor and went on prestressing yard at Berrimah to construct over 1.5 linear kilomewhere beams were produced for ters of bridges.

Steelcon and other bridge contractors, prior to setting up this yard beams were imported from Queensland or South Australia.

Guido Zuccoli controlled the Territory interests of Steelcon and maintained a personal interest in all his projects. Kim Sargeant his General Works Supervisor also contributed to the overall success We must do more to ensure that the Territory’s engineering experof the company in the Northern Territory. Foremen Eugene Betti tise is made known. and Bruno Nicolletti were prominent in controlling individual jobs. One of Eugene’s projects was foreman on the Katherine In the first three year improvement and maintenance program for River Bridge.” the Stuart and Barkly Highway the major bridge constructed by Steelcon was the Katherine River Bridge. The contract was Guido Zuccoli was born in Morbegano Italy in 1940; he graduated awarded in November 1973 in the amount of $910,212. The Katheas a Civil Engineer, came to Australia in 1961, worked for Trans- rine River Bridge was opened by the Hon. Evan Adermann MP, field as a foreman then with three partners in Mt Isa formed Steel- Minister for the Northern Territory in February 1976. As detailed con Constructions. In 1967 he moved to the Territory where for later Steelcon also played an important role in the construction of the next 27 years he was principal of the company. the second three year program.

The remoteness of bush projects caused Guido Zuccoli to learn to fly and from this introduction to flying he took up initially aerobatics and latter aircraft restoration. He was a champion at aerobatics winning Australian and International titles. He died in a plane crash in 1997 whilst pursuing his passion for flying restored military aircraft.

The Northern Territory government in recognition of Guido Zuccoli’s services to the Territory has named a future Palmerston suburb Zuccoli, unfortunately, from my point of view, the history

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Member Update Northern Division welcomes our newest members:

Congratulations also to our newest Companion:

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Mr N R Wanigaskera MIEAust Mr B Iyyaswamy GradIEAust Mr M H Paget StudIEAust Mr D Buentipo StudIEAust Mr J M Lu StudIEAust Mr J P Davis StudIEAust Mr S Lu StudIEAust Mr J W Daet StudIEAust

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Don’t forget!

Members and Partners are invited to attend Engineers Australia Northern Division Christmas Drinks and Annual General Meeting to be held on Thursday, 3rd December at 5.00pm,

National Assessor Ewan Hazeldine’s visit on the 9th - 13th November 2009 • Come along to Ewan’s workshop and find out how to complete your CER (Career Episode Report).

• Alternatively, if you have already completed your CER’s, get them in now and be ready for your professional interview when Ewan comes to town.

• Check with your firm. Does it have a PDP? Ewan can do an individual session with your firm if you have enough interested.

The AGM will be followed

by Christmas Drinks and Nibbles Please contact Karen or Tara on 8981 4137 to confirm your attendance for catering purposes

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Contact Karen by email krelph@engineersaustralia.org.au

Young Engineers Make It Happen WALLBRIDGE & GILBERT RFP Sent to do the ‘Dirty Work’ About one month ago I was engaged in a company review process with Wallbridge and Gilbert RFP Consulting Engineers. This review concluded that some practical experience in the construction industry would better my understanding of construction processes, and gain a greater appreciation of smart design for ease of construction.

I was sent to be a labourer/foreman’s assistant for one week. The chosen construction site was the Rosebery Schools project, of which W&G RFP are part of the Design and Construct team in conjunction with Halikos Group who is undergoing the construction process until completion.

Jeremy Grosbois Design Engineer, Wallbridge and Gilbert RFP

During this time I was asked to be engaged in a number of duties including level surveying for concrete piers, slab line marking, slab saw cutting, jack hammering existing footings for adjustments for pre-cast panel erecting, drilling, preparing raft footings/ concrete slab for the steel fixers, and setting out large concrete slabs for the block layers (starter bar type and location and openings).

I have to say the first day had me gain some appreciation for the efforts of construction workers who do the hard work, with myself finishing the day with mild dehydration and exhaustion. Not to worry though, I quickly got use to this aspect of the work after my first day.

I think the most important thing I learnt from this experience is that as a structural engineer it is important to consider the constructability of the design and not just focus only on the architectural and structural requirements.

I once remember designing a complicated sign that involved much extra analysis to make the centre point connection easier for transportation and erection. As a Design Engineer I regularly encounter similar situations to this. I think that as Engineers we should always keep this aspect of our designs in mind.

Apart from feeling worked to the bone each day, I enjoyed learning many practical skills and having fun in the sun, while gaining some experience and appreciation of the practical aspect to the construction industry. Thanks to Halikos Group for catering for me during this time.

Young Engineers are encouraged to attend the Annual General Meeting of Northern Division’s Young Engineers Committee Wednesday, 2 December 2009 Yum Cha, Cavanagh Street, Darwin from 6.30pm All welcome (including the not so young)

Please RSVP to Jacinta Kelly by email to Jacinta.Kelly@ghd.com.au by 27/11/2009

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Calendar of Events Date

Event

Speaker/Venue

6th—7th November

National Electrical College Meeting

Darwin (venue TBA)

9th—13th November

Ewan Hazeldene, National Assessor Visit

Engineers Australia

17th—18th November 9:00am to 5:00pm

Estimating Sea-Level Rise in an Uncertain Future - seminar 2 Designed specifically for planners, engineers and other stakeholders

Antarctic Climate & Ecosystems, Novotel, Esplanade Darwin

2nd December 6.30pm 3rd December 5:00pm

Annual General Meeting Young Engineers (Northern Division)

Yum Cha, Cavanagh Street, Darwin 14 Shepherd Street, Darwin

Christmas Drinks/Annual General Meeting CONFERENCES

8-12 November 23-24 November

11-12 March

5-7 May

EPSM-ABEC 2009—Biomedical Engineering and Medical Physics Www.conlog.com.au/epsm-abec2009 SSEE2009—Society for Sustainability and Environmental Engineering - visit www.sustaintheplanet09.com CALL FOR PAPERS

Canberra Registrations still open Melbourne

RISK 2010—Delivering Major Initiatives Abstract submission deadline 30 October 2009 - visit www.engineersaustralia.org.au/conferences Engineering Leadership Conference 2010 Abstract submission deadline 13 November 2009 - visit www.engineeringleadership.org

Melbourne

Brisbane

Members and Partners are invited to attend Engineers Australia Northern Division’s Christmas Drinks and Annual General Meeting to be held on Thursday 3rd December at 5.00pm Survey House, 14 Shepherd Street, Darwin Young Engineers Northern Division monthly meetings are held on the first Tuesday of each month at Lizards Bar, 5:30pm. All Young Engineers are welcome to come along and get involved.

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