AUGUST 12 , 2025

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AUGUST 12 , 2025

By Jonathan Trager
Introvert Susan Cain addressed an audience of thousands at the ASAE Annual Meeting on August 11 about the nexus of temperament and leadership.
During a Q&A with interviewer Holly Ransom, the bestselling author of Quiet and Bittersweet pointed out that introverts and extroverts actually have differences in nervous systems. While introverts are more prone to
By Jonathan Trager and Todd McElwee
During the ASAE Annual Meeting at the Los Angeles Convention Center, USAE asked leaders of destination organizations to identify something they believe the industry is doing well and something the industry needs to do better or address. A representative sample of the responses follows.
Leonard Hoops, President & CEO, Visit Indy Strength: âWhen people gather, we make the world a better place. Thatâs kind of Humanity, 101, and the meetings industry and associations both help facilitate that. Iâll give a specific example of having my son [who has cerebral palsy]. When we host a physical therapy association, and I see physical therapists and
over-stimulation, extroverts can often feel under-stimulated.
âPsychologists talk about how introverts and extroverts are the north and south of human temperament,â said Cain. âWhat theyâre really telling

By Todd McElwee
When Magic Johnson first retired from the NBA in 1991, he departed as the leagueâs all-time leader in assists at 9,221. Never did he lead the league in scoring, but the Los Angeles Lakersâ Hall of Fame point guard did set the pace for assists four times while winning three MVPs.
For much of the 1980s, one could have argued Johnson was the best basketball player in the world. Yet Johnson always looked to make everyone around him the best they could be. The results are unarguableâthe Showtime Lakers won five championships during his career.
As Chairman and CEO of Magic Johnson Enterprisesâan investment conglomerate that focus primarily on ethnically diverse and underserved urban communitiesâJohnson now seeks to bring the best out of the communities his company works with.
Conversation with ASAE Chair Heidi Brock, President & CEO, American Forest & Paper
The ASAE Annual Meeting & Exposition is a time for work and reflection for Heidi Brock. As her tenue leading the ASAE Board of Directors winds down, Brock took the time to share with USAE some of what has been achieved and some of what she has learned during the past year.
USAE: What accomplishment will you remember the most fondly from
your time as Chair?
Brock: Itâs hard to believe how quickly the year has gone! Serving as Chair of the ASAE Board truly has been an extraordinary and rewarding experience. It has given me the opportunity to work alongside a remarkable group of volunteer leaders who care deeply about ASAE and are fully committed to ensuring its continued success as the
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us is weâre born with these different types of nervous systems and they shape so much of the way we work, we live, we love, the way we make decisions, and the way we work together in teams.â
Regarding creativity, psychologists have found that the most creative people are ones extroverted enough that they and share ideas but also introverted enough to withstand the solitude that idea generation requires, Cain said.
âSo,
âSo, if youâre creating a culture where no one gets to put their heads down, be silent, be alone, you are losing a huge amount of creativity,â she noted.
Management found that in a typical group meeting, only a few people do most of the talking, so approaching an introvert before a meeting starts and asking if itâs okay to include that person in the conversation is a good idea, said Cain.
Conversely, introverts should prepare in advance what to say and then nudge themselves to speak up early in a meeting, she added.
if youâre creating a culture where no one gets to put their heads down, be silent, be alone, you are losing a huge amount of creativity,â she noted.
As a public speaker whoâs also an introvert, Cain said she schedules her days so her nervous system is in equilibrium for as much of the day as it can be. For example, interspersing time with friends with time alone to write.

A study by the Kellogg School of
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And during the Opening Keynote of the ASAE Annual Meeting & Exposition on August 10, he shared examples of the successes heâs experienced thanks to a socially conscious entrepreneurial attitude.
âYouâre talking about success,â he said. âThatâs what itâs all about. See, when you go into the inner cities, you have to be successful with the business, but also creating opportunities for people who live in those communities.â
Johnson lit up the massive ballroom, both literally and figuratively, when stepping onto the stage. Flashing his trademark smile, he greeted the crowd and quickly said, âIâm not a stage person.â He then made his way onto the floor, had the house lights turned on so he could see everyone, and quickly engaged with members of the audience, which he continued to do throughout the address.
Following his playing career, Johnson decided he wanted to invest in the nationâs poorest neighborhoods. He built a movie theater in the inner city of Los Angeles while he met with leaders from the Bloods and the Crips. As a leader, he took the initiative to find a solution to the violence that plagued the gangsânot to run away or ignore the issue.
âI said, âListen, this theater happens to be off limits. You can come, your family can come. You can come and enjoy yourself, but you cannot create any violence or any trouble for yourself or for others,ââ he said. âAnd they decided to do that. And the one thing
âI structure every single one of my days really intentionally in that way, and I think thatâs something we all should be doing,â she said.
they asked me for in return was, âCould you give me and our group jobs?â So, we created 15 jobs for both the Crips and the Bloodsâ15 and 15, 30 jobs to help build it on the construction site. Now what I want you to clap for is 24 of them stayed on permanentlyâŚThatâs changing communities.â
Johnson added the theater was in the top 10 highest of highest grossing theaters in the nation.
A story on meeting with Starbuck CEO Howard Schultz about placing Starbucks in inner cities followed.
âI went up to Howard Schultz, Chairman and CEO of Starbucks, and said, âHey, you see my numbers that Iâm doing in my movie theaters in the inner cities, Black folks and Latino folks, we love Starbucks and coffee too. So, letâs build some in the inner cities of America, because we have to drive an hour outside our community to get a cup of coffee and stuffâand definitely a cup of Starbucks coffee.ââ
Johnson added he became the first person in the history of Starbucks to own and build 125 Starbucks, creating thousands of jobs for Latinos and African Americans to work right in their community and be able to take care of themselves and their families.
Continuing with the Starbucks theme, he touched on the adaptably effective leaders must possess.
âThis is very important, because you know, when you go to the regular Starbucks, you have scones [but] we donât know about scones in my community,â he said. âWe had to take the scones out of the Starbucks that I built. And also, we had to take the elevator music out of the Starbucks, you know. So, I had to put in Beyonce and Michael Jackson and Prince, and then
People mistakenly assume thereâs a correlation between ambition and extroversion, said Cain. She suggested that introverts who want more of a leadership role find a mentor in the organization and let that person know what their hopes and intentions are.
I had to put in sweet potato, pie, peach cobbler and things that resonate with the Urban consumer.â
His stores generated higher per capita returns than others in the Starbucksâ family.
Johnsonâs eternal rival, Boston Celticsâ Hall of Famer Larry Bird, came up throughout the discussion, with Johnson playfully making fun of his great friend whenever he could. He discussed how the rivalry with Bird made him better. The two truly connected as friends during a Converse shoe advertisement shot in French Lick, Indiana, in the mid-1980s, and Bird invited him to his motherâs house for lunch. But the atmosphere on set had been tense.
Ultimately, introversion and extroversion is just a form of yin and yang, Cain said.
âWe know that the best performing teams are made up of introverts and extroverts,â she said.

Johnson said: âNow, how Iâm going to turn down his mother? Right? I said, âOkay, Larry.â So, I go up to the house. Heâs down at that end, and Iâm down at this table. So, sheâs bringing in the food. So, as she brought her last dish, she goes, âLarry, did you tell him?â Larry said, âNo, Mom, you tell [him]. So she turned around and said, Magic, [youâre] my favorite basketball player.â
The crowd erupted in laughter.
Calling Chicago Bullsâ Hall of Famer Michael Jordan the greatest player ever, Johnson shared the story of Jordanâs iconic mid-air hand switch layup in the 1991 NBA Finals and how, he noted, the ball went from left to right and so did Jordanâs tongueâwhich famously often was out when he played.
He went on to show how at the peak of his powers in 1992, Jordan deferred
to him and Bird as captains of the Dream Team.
âWhen he did that, everyone left their ego at the door,â Johnson said.
Michelle Mason, FASAE, CAE, President & CEO, ASAE, who got a shout out from Johnson, discussed the work of ASAEâs Tomorrowâs Workforce Coalition, and how the recent tax bill included the Freedom to Invest in Tomorrowâs Workforce Act. She also celebrated 25 years of the Diversity Executive Leadership Program (DELP).
In addition, Adam Burke, President & CEO, Los Angeles Tourism & Convention Board, discussed the importance of events such as ASAE for his community and how they help to tell the story of the meetings industryâs significance.
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scientists and companies that are involved in that world gathering, and theyâre all like collectively networking, but theyâre also advancing the profession, profession, and when they advance their profession, it helps, ultimately, people like my kid, and helping my kid helps me. And so, you think about just all these connections that happen from the meetings industry and the association world to make our world a better placeâto live, work, play. Thatâs what I love about the industry.â
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Challenge: âWeâre at a stage in the political ideological world, particularly in the United States, but itâs really all over the world where, where itâs affected even our industry, where people canât decide if DEI is okay or not okay. Is it okay to exclude certain things or to not emphasize certain things? I think thereâs just a challenge right now with our industry that it is ultimately subject to heavy influence from the United States, Federal Government, and I think itâs challenged how we do what weâre supposed to be doing, which is kind of advancing the world with the work we do.â
William Pate, President & CEO, Atlanta CVB
Strength: âI think [meetings] do a really great job of bringing together all the associations into a really strong community. And you see that here on the floor, because of the diverse number of customers and prospects that come through from all kinds of associations. And as a convention city, all that business is important to us, right? Because, you know, once you get a really big convention, you got to get some medium sized and smaller conventions to completely optimize your city. So, to be able to talk to all of the diverse associations that are under ASAE, is really a great opportunity for us, particularly because weâre a convention city, but I think it is for everybody else here too.
Challenge: âI think associations are carrying that voice for a lot of organizations, and theyâre very engaged, but we need to keep that engagement. Thatâs a lot of what associations do is they spend a lot of time up on the hill. Theyâre advocating for their particular members, but theyâre really also advocating in many ways for all of business, right? We need that voice. We need that voice at the federal level now more than ever.â
Peggy Williams-Smith, President & CEO, Visit Milwaukee
Strength: âI think the meetings industry sets the standard by traveling to events. When I go to our events, every single one Iâve gone to this year has had record attendance. All of them have exceeded prior yearsâ attendance so it means weâre setting the example of what weâd like to see from the rest of the meetings industry, that we need to meet in person to be able to get things done.â
Challenge: âI think continuing to address AI is going to be incredibly important. How we work that into everything we do because it is something that is so new. We need more awareness about what AI will do for us.â
Tammy Canavan, President & CEO, Visit Seattle
Strength: âI think particularly in the United States we are doing a really good job leaning into being proactive and working with clients that have a lot
of uncertainty in their worlds right now. Particularly in the association world there are a lot of organizations that are unsure of what their future looks like, what their funding looks like, and so we as an industry and certainly in Seattle are reaching forward and connecting with those clients and doing the best we can to help support them through that time of uncertainty.â
Challenge: âOverall, I think what weâre doing well is something we could always do more of, and that is always being proactive with our clients and reaching out from time to time when itâs not necessarily a scheduled touch point and asking them how theyâre doing and how we can help support them. I think also that as an industry there is an opportunity to be much more conscientious about how we affect the environment and how we support sustainability through the shows that weâre supporting.â
Andy Conklin, Executive Vice President, Visit Cincy Strength: âThe ability to really look at groups and conventions from a very high level, the total economic impact. When we want to bring something to a hotel or a destination, looking at more than just what are they doing for the hotel industry and the restaurants, but really having the tools, the data, those discussions to realize itâs more than that. The revenue impact is one thing, but the other thing is jobs, and supporting the jobs, and obviously the tax revenue and showing where that revenue will be spent to improve their lives. So overall the impact of the actual group totaling to the market and acting accordingly.â
Challenge: âThis one I think absolutely needs to be a focus: The staffing level. We are going to need more people, more people out of college, more people in the middle of their career, because we have people who are retiring, and we need to have a bench strength of people in the industryâ leaders, workers, managers. Because if we donât have the proper people in all these positions throughout this industry, I think the consumer is going to feel it and see it. So Iâd love to see a little more focus and energy and success developing these employees of the future for a long-term career.â
Andrew Ortale, Executive Vice President, Business Events & Destination Experience, Visit Pittsburgh Strength: âI think the industry, more than anything else, what itâs doing is bringing people together to solve issues that are current, that are happening right now. And thereâs no better way to do that than when youâre in an association.â
Challenge: âAs a destination and as a vendor, one of the challenges that weâre starting to see is there are so many events that are happening
throughout the year, and itâs very hard for us to budget and prioritize, to make sure that we are represented at each event, and also at the same time that weâre showing up in the way that we want to show up without diluting ourselves.â
Nathan Hermiston, Sr. Vice President of Sales & Services, Visit KC Strength: âI think what the meetings industry is doing well right now is after coming out of the pandemicâ obviously, that was five years or so ago nowâcreating the value of being in person. A few years ago, there were a lot of questions if this was even going to exist anymore, and everyone has doubled down and tripled down and that story has completely resonated throughout society. So I think thatâs whatâs going on great.â
Challenge: âOn the other side of the coin, itâs the innovation and not going back to what we were doing before. Youâre seeing some of it, but I think it would be fun to see some organizations step out of their comfort zone and reimagine the meeting, because weâve got a whole generation of future meeting attendees who arenât as motivated to come to these types of events as they were before. I think we need to really look at the model of what our meetings and gatherings look like to make that resonate better with future attendees.â
Holly Pace, Chief Sales & Marketing Officer, Visit Greater Palm Springs
Strength: âItâs the hospitality industry, so what we do best is hospitality. Connecting with people and creating experiences for them when theyâre in our destinations. I think now even more so people want to connect with people, so having in-person meetings and then having that welcoming spirit for the destination I think is what we do really well as an industry.
Challenge: âSocial responsibility is something we have to stay focused on. Greater Palm Springs isnât backing down on our inclusiveness in terms of welcoming people of all different types of backgrounds. I think we need to stay focused on that even though the focus sometimes nationally isnât that way. I donât want us to take our eye off the fact that we need to maintain that.â
Artesha Moore, President & CEO, Association Forum
Strength: âOur industry excels at creating meaningful communitiesâ bringing people together to share knowledge, build relationships, and inspire action. We connect people with purpose.â
Challenge: âWe must move faster to innovate. Holding onto outdated processes slows us down; embracing new tools, ideas, and models will keep us relevant and impactful.â




















Omaha Hosting Exceptional Boards: Strengthening the Governance Team⌠ASAEâs Exceptional Boards, a two-day workshop for CEOs and their elected officers to explore strategies for strengthening their working relationship and enhancing the boardâs performance, will be held at the The FARNAM, Autograph Collection Hotel in Omaha, from October 6â7. Organizers noted the program is designed for team participation, requiring at least one staff professional and one board leader to jointly attend.
âDesigned specifically for leadership teams, it provides an engaging learning environment where CEOs and elected leaders together will gain insight and resources to improve the effectiveness of board operations and create a strong and vibrant governance team,â ASAE said. âIt is the one program that coaches you on how to build a board that understands its role, fulfills its responsibility, demonstrates visionary leadership, and ultimately leads the organization it represents to new heights.
The workshop covers:
⢠Strategies for building a cohesive board
⢠Roles and responsibilities of the CEO and the board
⢠Creating an effective CEO/board chair relationship
⢠Developing a leadership team action plan
âExceptional Boards offers you a rare opportunity to step away from the day-to-day routine and discover fresh ideas and approaches for
enhancing board leadership,â ASAE said. âYouâll benefit from the facilitatorsâ knowledge and expertise, but this highly interactive program also engages participants in exercises with their teams. Be prepared to roll up your sleeves and engage in open and honest discussions with your officers.â
Rates are $1,265 for members and $1,645 for others.
The Full Journey: 11-Month Course Coming in October ⌠From October 1, 2025 to August 30, 2026, ASAE will prep professionals interested in the CAE with the Full Journey: 11-Month Course. Registration closes on September 29.
âThis immersive 11-month course is designed for CAE candidates who want a comprehensive, structured, and supportive path to exam success,â ASAE said. âWith a blend of live expert-led sessions, on-demand content, and scenario-based exercises, this course walks with you from your first study session to exam day.â
The course includes 50 CAE Credits, 20 Hours of Live Sessions, 10 Hours of Study Group On-Demand Activities and 20 Hours of On-Demand Study Content. Costs are $2,500 for members and $3,250 for non-members.
Retired Friends of ASAE ⌠Designed to maintain connections with industry members, ASAEâs membership for retirees runs $150 for five years. Retired members retain benefits such as member discounts on eligible ASAE programs, products, and services, and electronic

access to ASAE members-only resources and the Collaborate social network.
âASAE is happy to maintain our relationships with our members for the long term, even into their retirement,â the association said.
âAnd we know that many retired association professionals want to
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professional home for association leaders.
There have been countless moments of impact and inspirationâ rich discussions, thoughtful strategy sessions, and decisions that I believe have positioned ASAE to thrive in the years ahead. But if I had to name the accomplishments that stand out most, two come to mind.
First, this was the year ASAE truly rose to the moment in representing the association community during the federal tax reform debate.
ASAEâs voice on Capitol Hillâon behalf of associations of every kindâwas clear, consistent, and effective. Iâm incredibly proud that ASAE stepped into that advocacy role with such purpose and strength. They reinforced the unique role associations play in workforce development, the economy, and civil society.
Second, this year marked a major milestone in ASAEâs history: the decision to move to a new office space at 1101 K Street NW after more than four decades in the current building. While we honor what we have all gained from the current location, we can also celebrate the upcoming move as much more than a change in addressâitâs a bold signal of ASAEâs commitment to innovation, adaptability, as they create a modern environment that better serves the evolving needs of our members. Iâm genuinely excited to see that vision come to life in the months ahead.
Itâs been a year of meaningful progress, and I leave this role with a deep sense of gratitude and optimism for whatâs ahead for ASAE and the incredible community it represents.
USAE: Has your perspective of board leadership changed during the past year, and if so, how?
Brock : In todayâs complex, fastpaced environment, whatâs become even clearer to me is that effective board leadership is less about having all the answers and more about fostering the right questions and conversations, the right partnerships, and the right mindset for adaptive leadership.
keep in touch with colleagues. This membership category is open to ASAE members in good standing who are transitioning to retirement and have been involved with ASAE for at least five years.â
Find more on these programs and ASAEâs other offerings at asaecenter.org

In times of rapid changeâwhether driven by technology, shifting member expectations, or broader societal dynamicsâcollaboration becomes not just a value, but a necessity. No one individual, organization, or board can navigate these challenges alone.
What Iâve seen this year is how powerful it is when board members bring their diverse experiences to the table, engage openly and respectfully, and work together toward a shared vision.
USAE: Please describe your day at the annual meeting.
Brock: My days at the ASAE Annual Meeting are definitely packedâfrom early breakfasts; to board, committee, or education sessions; to late evening events â but it is positively one of the most energizing and rewarding weeks of the year.
Iâm incredibly grateful to my team at the American Forest & Paper Association and the ASAE team for keeping me on track! ASAE Annual is a true highlight for meâfilled with meaningful conversations, new ideas, and connections that I take back and share with my own association.
Thereâs always something to learn and someone new to learn from. And this year, the meeting feels especially meaningful as I close out my term as Chair. Itâs a special moment to reflect, celebrate our progress, and look ahead at the opportunities for our vibrant association community.
By Todd McElwee
Tony J. Fundaro, President & CEO, Philanthropy Southwest (PSW), and his team were searching for something and found the ASAE Annual Meeting & Exposition, with seven staff members attending the event in Los Angeles for the first time.
âThe team and I were looking for a larger association community and more content based on best practic-
es for membership organizations,â Fundaro told USAE. âWe do an annual conference together as a team and the ASAE experience just felt like it fit.â
Fundaro previously piloted the MPI Foundation so he was familiar with ASAE and its signature event, but became a member of ASAE just this year. He joined PSW in 2019.
âThe team is loving it, we feel like the breakouts are right on point,â he


said. âAlso, the overall experience in L.A. has been fantastic.â
Founded in 1949, PSW said it is the most enduring association of grantmakers in the United States. It works with community foundations, private and independent foundations, family foundations, corporate foundations and philanthropists. From October 21â24, its 77th Annual Conference will be held at The Broadmoor in Colorado Springs.
âWe are the premier philanthropy serving organization in the Southwestern United States, with hundreds of member organizations across the region,â the organization said. âWe believe that philanthropy is done best when done collaboratively and with
excellence, and we foster a network across which our members generously help and support each other. We would like to see philanthropy drive meaningful impact on pressing regional issues.â
Fundaro added PSW regularly attends philanthropy-based events that are tailored more to its specific mission and heâs planning on regular ASAE Annual Meeting & Exposition attendance in years to come.
Find more information at www.philanthropysouthwest. org




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