SurvivorsAfterSuicide Your Path Toward Healing • Suicide is Preventable A Program of Didi Hirsch Mental Health Services
Fall 2022
Remembering Sam Bloom Sam Bloom, a beloved source of gentle inspiration and support for survivors of suicide loss, died on Sunday, September 25, 2022. Remembered for his empathy, warmth, and kindness, Sam was able to use his grief and deep compassion to help those in need. Along with his wife, Lois, they dedicated their lives to providing counseling for suicide survivors and advocating to erase the stigma. It’s been almost 40 years since Dec. 13, 1982, when Sam and Lois’ son died by suicide. He was 23. With only a note left on the car seat, and three other letters for family members, Sammy left his parents and family to grieve. They began their involvement with the Suicide Prevention Center shortly after Sammy died. Nina J. Gutin, Ph.D. remembers how “they epitomized the ways such a devastating loss could be transformed into deeds which honored the life of their son and provided meaningful support to other survivors.”
The dynamic duo, Sam and Lois Bloom
Sam was the President of Suicide Prevention Advocacy NetworkCalifornia, which the Blooms helped found, and trained volunteers for the Suicide Prevention Center’s crisis line, the oldest in the country. From leading bereavement group sessions, to activism, the Blooms worked to destigmatize suicide, depression and bipolar disorder. They were the constant conscience at the doors of legislatures from Sacramento to Washington, D.C.
Over close to four decades, Sam and Lois helped thousands of survivors heal through personal sharing. They offered words and tools to help deal with the avalanche of unanswered questions, guilt, anger and hurt that come with a preternatural death. Rick Mogil, Coordinator of Bereavement Services, shares how “they encouraged me, stood by me and mentored me throughout my career at Didi Hirsch Mental Health Services. Sam has shown me how a father grieves a son and how to turn tragedy to a life of purpose.” When the Blooms themselves first sought help, nothing like today’s Survivors After Suicide program existed. Most people wanted to get as far from the pain as they could. But what Sam and Lois learned early on is that you shouldn’t hide it. Some survivors feel the need to do something. They might make a donation, write an article for a newsletter or even talk about returning to lead a support group. Few people throw themselves into (Continued on Page 6)
My Grief Evolution by Kate Osher In 2002, at the age of 28, I was hit, head on, with my first round of life altering, drop to your knees, question the universe, grief. My husband was dead. He had taken his own life at our home in Colorado while I was thousands of miles away Kate and her husband on in California. their wedding day
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When I answered the phone, I remember the police officer asking if I was alone. When I told him I was with my mom, he asked me to please get her. “Kate, I regret to inform you we found your husband’s body in your garage. He is deceased. I’m sorry but we need you to come back to Colorado right away.” After hearing my own blood-curdling scream and dropping to the floor, there isn’t much I remember about that day. I had lost loved ones before – grandparents, friends far too young, beloved teachers – but this was a grief I did not know my soul could bear. It was
too much. Too close. Too messy. Too life altering. Too unfair. In the hours, days, and weeks after my husband’s death, I wanted to die too. The physical and emotional pain of grief was so intense that dying didn’t seem so awful. I drank too much. I numbed myself with prescription medication. I didn’t eat. To the outside world, I looked stoic and put together. My parents still call it my Jacqueline Kennedy phase. I put the acting training from my youth to good use – rarely showing others how much I suffered. But I was suffering. (Continued on Page 4)
Survivors After Suicide (SAS) helpsresolve people resolve their and griefpain and pain in their own After Suicide (SAS) helps people their grief in their own personal way, personal way, and helps them move forward in their lives, positively and productively. them move forward in their lives, positively and productively.
Rick’s Corner It’s hard to believe it has been almost 3 years of what is now being called the “new normal.” But what is normal? Normal could be defined as routine, orderly, traditional, predictable and even ordinary. All of which might fit when explaining our new life with Covid-19 but certainly not our life without our loved ones. Survivors of a suicide loss don’t necessarily have a new normal. Bonnie Garmus writes in her new novel, Lessons in Chemistry (2022), “Normal isn’t like weather. You can’t expect weather. From what I can tell, normal may not exist… who wants to believe life is exactly how it seems.” We have learned that the continuum of our lives is not linear. It’s a meandering path filled with obstacles, detours and even chasms. In her book, Ms. Garmus says, “Often the best way to deal with the bad is to turn it on end – use it as a strength, refuse to allow the bad thing to define you. Fight it.”
The suicide of a loved one can create a fog that seems impenetrable and we may spend years trying to move through it. Our lives are not static. We can make micro adjustments in any direction to ease the pain and envision a future where we carry our losses alongside us rather than as a heavy burden. We can always reach out for support and help support others. Yes, a lot has changed during the pandemic and we are all learning to navigate our new path forward. And even though we can’t expect everything to be the same as it was before, we can still be generous with compassion to ourselves and others. That will never change. Peace and Love,
Rick
Rick Mogil Coordinator of Bereavement Services
Resources for Survivors and Suicide Prevention CRISIS AND HELP LINES 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline 24/7 English and Spanish Call or Text 9-8-8 www.988lifeline.org/chat www.crisiscare.org Disaster Distress Helpline 24/7 English and Spanish (800) 985-5990 TEEN LINE Staffed by Teens 6-10 pm; Other Hours by Didi Hirsch. (800) TLC-TEEN, (800) 952-8336 or (310) 855-HOPE
SUICIDE PREVENTION
MENTAL HEALTH
Didi Hirsch Suicide Prevention Center 10277 W. Olympic Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90067 (424) 362-2900
National Alliance for the Mentally Ill Support for Families (800) 950-6264 www.nami.org
Bereavement Support Groups (Survivors After Suicide) Support Groups for Teens: (424) 362-2911 Support Groups for Adults: LA/Ventura Counties (424) 362-2912 Orange County (Eng/Span) (714) 547-0885
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) www.samhsa.gov
American Association of Suicidology (202) 237-2280 www.suicidology.org
Didi Hirsch Korean Crisis Line (877) 727-4747 4:30 p.m.-12:30 a.m. daily
American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (888) 333-2280 www.afsp.org
Trevor Helpline (LGBTQ) (800) 850-8078
Suicide Prevention Resource Center (877) GET-SPRC or (877) 438-7772 www.sprc.org or www.sprc.org/ thespark
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LA Warmline 855-952-9276 10:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. daily Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health ACCESS Line 800-854-7771, 24/7
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Editor: Randy Levin-Cohen Editorial Board: Shari Sinwelski, Rick Mogil Design: Curtis Hill
Things I Learned About Losing My Son to Suicide – Five Years Later By Miguel Serricchio son would leave us so soon. I have agonized over whether or not he knew how much I loved him. I am so afraid that I didn’t say it enough. Every night before I go to sleep, I talk to him, tell him about our day, thank him for being there for all of us, and let him know how much I love him.
I remember that day as if it were yesterday, with a clarity I don’t think will ever be blurred with time. More than five years after that day, I can’t help but reflect on what I’ve learned about loss and how it has affected me as an individual. Everyone grieves and deals with loss in different ways. I consider myself an extrovert when it comes to talking about Alex and my emotions around the loss of a loved one to suicide. I talk very openly about everything while others keep their thoughts and emotions bottled up. Grief also hits people at different times. It can hit you hardest during the first year while others cried more in the first month of the second year. But grief will be with you forever. It’s how you fill your world around the grief that will ultimately make a difference. I experience emotions more intensely than ever before. I had never experienced the sort of sadness I did before Alex passed away. It now hits me on a regular basis like a gust of wind – totally unexpected. I’ve teared up watching a singing show, or listening to a song, even watching a cartoon. The sadness has yet to subside, and I don’t think it ever will. On a more
If there’s one thing to learn from loss, it’s that you never know how long you will have with people so never take them for granted. In that way, I feel like loss has changed me as a person. I feel less confident in some ways but know I am a stronger person because I will forever have my son’s example of how to endure hardship. I’m not sure if it will ever get easier. Miguel cherishes memories of his time with his son Alex.
positive note, I started loving Alex even more — if that’s possible. I cherish memories and miss him so much. I have changed as a person. Right after Alex passed, and still to this day, I feel overwhelmed with guilt. I was aware of his struggles with mental health but he was doing so well with treatment, and I couldn’t fathom him not being around. I never thought my
The hole in my broken heart never really goes away or heals. For years, my son put up an extremely brave and difficult fight. The day he lost his battle with mental health is the memory I’d give anything to forget. The thing that gives me strength, and I hope this is the case for others who have experienced loss, is knowing our loved ones would want us to make as many new memories as possible. Never forget you are not alone in your experiences or grieving. You are surrounded by people who love you.
Sea Legs By Nina J. Gutin
They Who Say there is a future A shore on which to embark On shaky sea legs They say that I will stand That I will turn and praise the sea From which I have come They say that I will welcome those who come after But I see no shore. I have no legs: Mere products of their prosthetic hope I just swim to keep afloat. Against the gravity, the pull of the Undertow Inviting to submerge, to merge with all who gather On the ocean floor
And yet I swim I swim towards shores I cannot see Arms akimbo, legs I cannot feel The waves, when not submerging, propel me Take me closer to that invisible shore Where They Who Say stand tall on legs that have emerged from the sea Extend arms now strong from swimming Inviting to emerge, to merge with all who now gather on the ocean’s shore
Nina J. Gutin, a psychologist, started facilitating our Survivors After Suicide groups after losing her brother Jeff to suicide in 1995. She wrote this poem about the many survivors who, after going through SAS groups, make their losses meaningful by providing understanding, support and hope to newer survivors.
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Welcome to Our New Vice President of Crisis Care! We are thrilled to welcome back Shari Sinwelski as our Vice President of Crisis Care. In her new role, she oversees all suicide prevention programs including the 988 Crisis Hotline. After serving as Vice President of national networks at Vibrant Emotional Health, developing and implementing 988 nationally, she is encouraged by the open conversations, support and focus on mental health now happening across the nation. “Didi Hirsch has always been an innovator and I’m really hopeful and excited about being in a position to make changes to our mental health systems and fortify the access to health and crisis care at local, state and national levels so people can get the help they need,” says Sinwelski. The crisis hotline is available to anyone in emotional distress or at risk of suicide. Now with 988, mental health providers and advocates want to stress the importance of using it as a resource for those experiencing less intense issues surrounding mental health. Anyone can reach
out via call, text or chat and connect with people who have been through what you’re experiencing. Sinwelski is “always inspired by people who want to listen and share their experiences to help others. They are essential for successful community outreach.” Training thousands of individuals in crisis intervention and suicide prevention, Shari has provided subject matter expertise and mental health support on programming for national publications, major television networks and Broadway productions. She holds a BS in Psychology, a Master’s and Educational Specialist degrees in Mental Health Counseling, and is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in California with over 25 years of experience in mental health, rape crisis, domestic violence, crisis intervention and suicide prevention. She also co-created and facilitated the Didi Hirsch Survivors of Suicide Attempt Support Group manual and training to bring this support group to individuals nationally and internationally.
My Grief Evolution (Continued from Page 1) A few months after my husband died, I was in bed crying my eyes out when I decided to read the letter my husband wrote me when he decided to end his life. I am so grateful for this beautiful letter. On this night, when I felt so incredibly alone, I read it again for the millionth time. The words finally hit me: “Katie, I know this is going to be hard. I’m sorry for that, and I didn’t want it this way. But I believe it’s for the best. There is just so much pain. So, promise me this. Live. Live your life. Put one foot in front of the other and smile that smile of yours as big as you can. And LOVE. Love with that huge heart of yours and show others what love can do – to even the most broken of people. Please do these things. For me and for you. Because life goes on. It’s as simple as that.” I realized that although my husband’s death would forever be a defining moment in my life, I would not let it define or destroy me. I had things to say and do. So, I dried my tears, brushed my hair, put on some lipstick, and got my ass to work on changing. I joined a Survivors After Suicide Loss support group and met with my therapist weekly. I started running. I found an apartment and moved from Newport Beach to West Hollywood. Running around Lake Hollywood became my salvation and I trained for and ran five marathons. Every single step got me closer to understanding what this awful event would mean for the remainder of my life. I got honest with myself and others. Realizing I had a LOT of work ahead of me – cleaning up the mess my husband left and cleaning up myself – I told friends and family I would understand if they couldn’t stay and watch me pull myself out of this hole. And some didn’t stay so I went through this secondary loss and grief. But I got through it. Just as my husband asked, I put one foot in front of the other. I smiled as big as possible while working through the most difficult shit of my life. I loved as much as I could and learned to love myself. What I now know is that when grief comes knocking on my
door, I won’t be afraid to open it. I will greet it and not wish it away. There are still days I get mad as hell and cry hot, angry tears, and that’s ok. We are human after all. I know grief is not the enemy. In fact, grief is my dear friend; a connector to people, places, and memories. Yes, there are pity parties but they last moments, not days and that’s ok. THAT is evidence of healing. There will be days I cry until the tears don’t come. And days that I scream at the unfairness of it all. There will be days where I feel sorry for myself and wonder “Why ME?!” But I will not let grief break me or steal my joy. I have learned the only legacy grief leaves is a lesson. On reflection. On self–discovery. On gratitude. On love. So much love. The lesson that a heart ripped open and shattered into a million pieces can be put together to hold more love that can be shared with others. A broken heart understands the only way to live fully is to love fully in every aspect of your life and take very little for granted. Grief has not only increased my heart’s capacity to hold more love and understanding, it has been a gift and the greatest teacher of my life. Once I accepted this, I was able to approach grief in any form – loss of a loved one, loss of a relationship, loss of a career, infertility – in a positive, self-enhancing way most of the time. Grief is not something you “get over.” Grief is the missed moment your loved one won’t be on Earth to see and feel and taste and hear. Grief is love that is left behind. Grief is longing for their hug and hand to hold. Grief is the empty seat next to you and the half of the bed where he once slept. It becomes part of you and can destroy you for a time like it destroyed me – perhaps even altering who you once were. Or it can make you realize that moments are precious. Life is to be lived and happiness is all around you. It can teach you to sing. And I choose to sing — even when it’s off key and I get the lyrics wrong. I choose to sing. Always.
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Do You Know a Teenager Who Has Experienced the Death of Someone By Suicide? Help us connect teens to a virtual 8-week grief support group where they can talk with other teens about their shared experience. Meetings are in small groups, once a week, for 90-minute sessions where they’ll learn healthy stress-management tools and new and creative coping skills to help them deal with their loss. Here they’ll find emotional and therapeutic support from clinicians and other teens so they don’t feel isolated and alone. For more information call 424-362-2911 or spccounseling@dididhirsch.org.
Didi Hirsch Acquires Teen Line: The Leading Peer Support Hotline for Youth In July 2022, Didi Hirsch significantly enhanced its whole-person mental health and crisis care capabilities with the acquisition of Teen Line, the leading national teen-to-teen peer support line and youth-centered mental health organization. This union will more holistically support our most vulnerable demographic at a time when mental health challenges among our youth are reaching crisis levels. For over 40 years, Teen Line has provided support, resources and hope to young people through its hotline, taking calls, texts and emails by professionally trained teen and youth counselors and outreach programs. Teen Line’s approach of teen-to-teen support has proven to be an effective mechanism in connecting and servicing teens, not only on a national but on a global scale. Training high school students to be listeners, Teen Line empowers them to become mental health
Cheryl Eskin, Director of Teen Line
ambassadors, and evolve to be changemakers in their community. “Teen Line has been at the forefront of mental health advocacy and change by providing a safe, anonymous space for vulnerable youth,” says Lyn Morris, CEO of Didi Hirsch. “Teen Line’s work, and most importantly their team, will help Didi Hirsch on our mission to further expand
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access to mental healthcare and provide the necessary resources to youth and other communities in need.” Today’s unprecedented mental health crisis has severely impacted children, adolescents and young adults with suicide being the second leading cause of death for 10 to 24-year-olds. Each day in our nation, there are, on average, over 5,400 suicide attempts by young people in grades 7-12. Tens of thousands of teens reach out to Teen Line every year. The most common reasons include difficulties with relationships, frustration with school, anxiety, stress, depression, loneliness, and suicidal thoughts. Cheryl Eskin, Senior Director of Teen Line, is “beyond excited to join such a renowned and effective organization that shares our ethos and mission of mental health advocacy and crisis care. Together with Didi Hirsch we can save more lives!”
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Remembering Sam Bloom (Continued from Page 1) their work like the Blooms. “Once you’re out, you’re like a magnet,” Sam said. “People really do want to talk about it.” Since their first group in March 1984, the Blooms, working mostly as volunteers, took the Survivors After Suicide program through funding crises, from one end of the city to the other. Sam saw advocacy as a logical outgrowth of grief counseling. He stressed the importance of understanding mental illness and erasing the stigma that prevented people from seeking help. “When we get the public really believing that a good deal of mental illness is biological — a brain disease much like cancer is a cellular disease or diabetes a disease of the blood — then we
will make a lot of progress with suicide prevention.” He was right. “It all started out because we really wanted to honor our son, Sammy,” Lois says. “But it’s more than that now: We want to save lives.” Sam and Lois knew this work saved their lives and their legacy lives on helping others on their grief journey. “Sam was the heart and soul of Didi Hirsch’s Survivors after Suicide program,” says Lyn Morris, CEO. “He often was the first to engage new survivors, letting them know they were not alone and never hesitated in offering support and compassion. He will be missed by so many and we are grateful for the thousands of lives he has touched.”
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2022 Alive Together Event at Exposition Park Raises Over $470,000 It’s not too late to give – visit didihirsch.org/at22 and donate today!
CEO Lyn Morris welcomes participants to the 2nd Annual Alive Together event and highlights the positive impact Didi Hirsch, 988 and the new addition of Teen Line has had on mental health and saving lives.
Dharma Lemon, writer and teaching artist of Get Lit – Words Ignite, transfixes the audience with a powerful performance of her poetry.
Eric Bigger, The Bachelorette alum, fitness instructor and actor/model, leads the warmup before the walk with contagious enthusiasm and energizes all Alive Together participants to get moving!
The Fireside Chat with Survivors is moderated by actor, writer and mental health advocate Sarah Gilman with Dino Alzadon, Greg Santilli, Shari Sinwelski, and Julianne Grossman, (Emcee of Alive Together).
Singer-songwriter Kelsie Watts performs a beautiful song called “I Can’t Say Goodbye” she wrote for her brother, Jordan, who she lost to suicide.
Along with angels illuminating the streets surrounding Expostion Park, teams of participants raised awareness and funds for suicide prevention in honor of their loved ones.
One of several Memorial Banners with photos for survivors to honor and remember loved ones lost to suicide.
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Participants in the Alive Together event walk the 2,160 steps for every person who dies daily by suicide worldwide.
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UPCOMING EVENTS International Survivors of Suicide Loss Day Saturday, November 19, 2022 Visit afsp.org for times and locations of events in Los Angeles, Ventura and Orange County
Survivors After Suicide Summer Virtual “In Person” Potluck Saturday, December 3, 2022, from 6pm-7:45pm For questions, contact Rick Mogil at rmogil@didihirsch.org or call 424-362-2912
Survivors After Suicide Group Meetings Eight-Week Groups Meet Virtually
Groups meet virtually once a week for 90 minutes. All California survivors are welcome to join. Santa Ana groups are available to all survivors who reside in Orange County.
Drop-In Groups Everyone who has completed an eight-week support group is invited to attend free meetings, which are meeting virtually and available to anyone in California. San Gabriel Valley Meets the 3rd Sunday of each month, 10:00—11:30 a.m. Meeting Dates: Oct 16, Nov 20, Dec 18, Jan 15
Santa Ana—English and Spanish Meets the 1st Wednesday of each month, 6:00—7:30 p.m. Meeting dates: Oct 5, Nov 2, Dec 7, Jan 4
San Fernando Valley Meets the 2nd Saturday of each month, 11:30 a.m.—1:00 p.m. Meeting dates: Oct 8, Nov 12, Dec 10, Jan 14
South Bay Meets the 3rd Sunday of each month, 10:00 a.m.—11:30 p.m. Meeting dates: Oct 16, Nov 20, Dec 18, Jan 15
West Los Angeles Meets every Saturday morning from 10 a.m.—11:30 a.m.
To learn more and join a group please call: California: (424) 362-2912 or Orange County: (714) 547-0885