A Christmas Ford

REGIONAL GROUP NEWS

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COLUMBIA RIVER RG #10 EAST CLACKAMAS COUNTY TOUR

On September 11th the Columbia River RG joined the Beaver Chapter Model “A” Ford club for a truly enjoyable day. Our tour was met with sunshine and a good temperature for touring. It was tough to decide whether or not to put the top down. There were five Model A’s, six early Ford V-8’s, (five flat-heads and Gene’s ’55) along with two modern irons. The participants were tour leaders Lynn and Patty, along with Kirk and Rene, Jeanie and David, Andrew and JoAnn, Gene Scott, Bill Griffith and Alyse Wagner, Art and Marlynne, Mike and Penny; V-8 members: Dennis Thun, Murl Jones, Bill Barnell, John and Sandra Ferland, Don Cummings, and Ken and Cathy Smith who were so kind as to volunteer to be the last car. We followed along the fire lines of the Riverside fire. The Riverside Fire started September 8, 2020, and quickly spread to over 138,000 acres. It was sad to see how many homes were destroyed and how much timber was burnt. On a bright side, it is amazing how the fireman kept the fire from destroying the City of Estacada. The tour meandered nearly 100 miles throughout rural paved roads of east Clackamas County and ended in downtown Estacada, where some of us dined at local food carts. It was a great tour and we experienced no break downs or problems! The second half of this tour is still to come, and it too will be a co-tour with the V-8 club and the Model A Club. The second part will go to Zig Zag, Marmot, Bull Run, Aims, Corbett and Troutdale. Our starting point will be Gresham and the ending point in Troutdale. More info to come. Until then happy motoring!

Andrew Jackman

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PUGET SOUND RG #18 DRIVING TOUR TO LAKE CHELAN, WASHINGTON

About 40 PSRG members joined in for our recent September 10-12 tour, the club’s first overnight outing in quite some time. Assembling in Issaquah, we cruised over Snoqualmie Pass to Cle Elum and the home of longtime PSRG members Alex and Virgie Cordas. Successfully dodging intermittent raindrops for the drive, an ominous drizzle began to creep in as we arrived at the Cordas ranch. Planning ahead, Alex had moved their two gorgeous Lincolns to the shop building to clear garage space. After exploring the property, the garage was welcome space to set up with our picnic lunches and folding chairs.

By 1:00pm our caravan was climbing Blewett Pass, toward Lake Chelan and our second tour stop at Miller’s Auto Museum. Chelan had not seen measurable rainfall for well over 100 days, but a continuous light shower was enough to dirty up our V -8s. Although an inconvenience for us, it was a welcome respite for the locals. Leo Miller, owner of the private museum that spanned five buildings, was on hand to greet us. Leo is in the garbage collection (and car collection) business. Yes - it sounds uncannily analogous to someone we all are familiar with on this side of the Cascades. DJ music, hot dogs, and drinks were provided by our host, as those of us with vintage rides registered for the Saturday Car Show.

Following a couple of hours at the museum, we rolled up for check-in at the Mountain View Lodge & Resort in Manson, the quaint north shore village on Lake Chelan. About half our group wandered across the street to WineGirl cellars for snacks, wine tasting and lively conversation (some, but not all, carrelated).

Saturday morning found most of the V-8 drivers up at first light cleaning cars. The weather proved to be a dramatic reversal of the previous day - this time with clear skies and warming to 80 degrees. The Fall Into Lake Chelan Car Show is held annually on the lawns of Riverwalk Park. Adjacent to downtown, the site offered numerous options for lunch, sightseeing and scenic strolling along the waterfront promenade.

About 200 cars were on display. One of the most interesting was a 1935 Brewster/Ford Town Car. These custom vehicles have been featured occasionally in the V-8 Times, but it’s a rare occurrence to see one in person. I spoke with owner Lee Harman who recently purchased the car out of Indiana and had it shipped to his home on Camano Island. The Brewster sits on a ’35 Ford chassis and is flathead V-8 powered. Lee has become a new PSRG member.

After a couple years of PSRG dormancy it was invigorating to get together once again to celebrate our hobby. Participants were enthusiastic and the shared camaraderie apparent. Hopefully we can look forward to more of this in 2022.

Staging another successful Swap Meet and hosting a National V8 Meet will offer a multitude of opportunities for club members to get involved.

Scott Jenkins, PSRG Editor

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NORTHERN OHIO REGIONAL GROUP #20 OCTOBER CORN ROAST

On Saturday, October 9, a beautiful fall afternoon, NORG held a corn roast. It was the first corn roast in over 10 years. It was at the Mihalek’s farm in Bath. Over 30 members and guests enjoyed sweet corn, bratwurst, and hot dogs. An assortment of delicious appetizers, hot dishes and desserts brought by members to share. Mercury Convertible, and 1940 & 41 Lincoln Zephyr’s as well as the 1939 Zephyr he has awaiting paint and assembly.

Bruce Lewicki and Craig Gorris cooked and were supported by Annette Gorris and Marie Lewicki. A treat for members was Ron’ opened his garage for members to see his 1937 Ford Cabriolet, 1950 Our RG is planning a Christmas Party for all members.

Darlene Null, NORG Correspondent

HI COUNTRY RG # 28 A FALL FILLED WITH CELEBRATIONS

September was a very busy month for our club. We started off with our annual club auction, in which members donate car parts and other items they no longer need. Everything is then auctioned to other members. It always turns into a success as member’s egg each other on for higher bids and at the same time make it comical. Funds obtained during this event cover the cost of our yearly club picnic. Our thanks go out to Bob and Margo Wilson for hosting this, plus their mouthwatering BBQ spread after the auction.

Next up was the All Ford Day, held at Sheridan High School. Over 200 Ford products from all years participated and we had a wonderful day looking at the various cars, kicking tires and seeing old friends.

This was the 50

th Anniversary of our club sponsor ship of this event (we started it in 1971) and it is the oldest continuous car show in the Denver area. Club

member Tom Webb heads the meet, and with the help of numerous other club members, it always turns into great event.

We ended the month by celebrating another anniversary. This festivity was another 50th for us. Since our club was founded in 1970, we were set to have the celebration last year. However, like so many other events, we had to postpone it due to COVID. Although a year late, we had over 100 people gather at the beautiful Mt. Vernon Canyon Country Club restaurant.

The setting overlooks metro Denver and we were served a delicious sit down dinner. Tons of photos and other club activity related items brought back memories for all. Attending the ceremonies were four of our original charter members. These members were Sam Benton, Casey Hayes, Ivan Fiechter and Merrill Newman. The banquet celebration was planned by Mike Welch, Harry Lindsay, Jay Svigel, Abe and Debbie Jones and the undersigned.

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ST. LOUIS RG #124 ICE CREAM SOCIAL

Our Annual Ice Cream social was hosted by Bruce and Theresa Williams on July 18th, 2021. It was well attended as always. Everyone enjoys seeing the progress of Bruce Williams projects in his garage. Then we had ice cream goodies that had been brought for everyone's enjoyment.

In August we gathered at Wildwood Pub and Grill in Wildwood, Missouri. We had a large attendance. The food was good and seeing friends again was great. Bonnie Abler furnished our group with cupcakes, Our September gathering was hosted by Chris and Kim Smith at an interesting place called "The Place" which is where you have an luxury condo garage with a work area for cars and lounge section. The ultimate car enthusiast "Man Cave Garage.” On October 18th, our meeting was hosted by Lee and Laura McDurmont at another interesting garage where a friend of theirs's Thomas Quick has a building with many Lincoln's, Cord's, Duesenberg's, Auburn's, etc. that are in the process of being restored, along with Lee's 1946 Ford sedan coupe that belonged to his family.

Howard Crawford, Corresponding Secretary St. Louis Regional Group #124 Early Ford V-8 Club

Picture #1 is an inside view of "The Place" luxury condo garage.

Picture #2 is Lee and Laura McDurmont with their 1946 Ford sedan in restoration in the background.

Howard Crawford, Corresponding Secretary

CENTRAL IOWA RG #145 25TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION

On July 18, 2021 members of the Central Iowa Regional Group #145 gathered at the Penoach Winery north of Adel for a 25th Anniversary celebration. We had gathered here for our 20 Anniversary also and enjoyed the location and services of the owners in using the Winery to have our gathering. We set up a double canopy tent to dine under and had the meal catered in by a local grocery. Those attending were Dave Sanderson, 49 Ford Coupe, Jim Stanley 50 Ford Tudor, Rich and Verna Grieve, 35 Ford Coupe, Mike and Mary Johnston, 40 Ford Convertible, Keith and Karen Harlan, 38 Ford Fordor Sedan, Chuck and Beck Stanley, 47 Ford Fordor Sedan, Wade and Mary Krieg, 39 Ford Fordor Sedan and Steve and Judy Kroeger, 47 Ford

Fordor Sedan. Maralee Sarasio also attended with a modern car. Maralee gave a talk on the early history

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of a previous regional group in the Des Moines area in the early history of the club. Original charter members attending included Steve and Judy Kroeger and Jim Stanley. Comments were shared about the founding of the regional group and members that have passed on that were no longer with us. After

the meal we opened up the anniversary cake which was cut and served by the 3 charter members. Music was shared by Wade Krieg and as they say, " a good time was had by all.”

Steve Kroeger

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REMEMBERING MEMBERS

ROBERT J. MALLEY NEW YORK RG #3

Robert (Bob) Malley was known for his infectious smile and wonderful sense of humor. He was a graduate of Aquinas Institute and the College of the Holy Cross. He taught at Aquinas Institute for three years, before joining his father’s business at Donuts Delite, Inc. Bob eventually became owner, along with his wife Judy and their five children.

Following his love of historical preservation, he then went on to restore Rochester’s last classic diner. The family opened the Highland Park Diner in 1986.

An avid antique car collector, Bob was an active participant in both the Early Ford V-8 Club and the Genessee Valley Antique Car Club. He was also one of the founders and served as president of the Early Ford V-8 Foundation Museum in Auburn, Indiana.

As president of the Browncroft Neighborhood association for many years, he was instrumental in its Landmark preservation. He was also an active supporter of: Eastern Service Workers, the DAV (Disabled American Veterans), the VFW, the School of the Holy Childhood, the Boys of Industry, Abbey of the Genessee, House of Mercy, St. Joseph’s House of Hospitality, Advent House, the Laurelton & Ridge Culver Fire Departments and countless others.

Predeceased by his wife, Judith and his brother, James. He is survived by his five children, ten grandchildren, sister, brother, several nieces and many beloved friends.

WALLACE HENRY TULSA, OK RG #39

Wallace Berry Henry passed away on Thursday, September 9th , 2021, at the age of 93. After several months

of declining health, Wallace died peacefully with his beloved wife of 71 years and family by his side.

Wallace was born in Drumright, Oklahoma on November 9, 1927. He graduated from Haileyville High School and shortly thereafter, enlisted in the Navy. He served in the Navy months during World War II, on the ship USS Donner. He continued his service in the Reserves for another ten years on the USS Waldron.

At the end of the war, Wallace returned home and worked at the Ammunition Depot in McAlester, OK. Wallace and Lillie Mae Tyler were married on June 3, 1950 at the McAlister Church of Christ. They began their family of three children: Jerry, Connie and Ralph. He then began driving a bus for Greyhound Bus lines on April 28, 1953 and did so for 33 years. After retiring from Greyhound, Wallace enjoyed restoring classic cars including a 1951 Ford Victoria hardtop, a 1951 Ford Convertible, a 1947 Ford 2N tractor and his pride and joy a 1966 Ford Mustang Coup and several other vehicles. He also earned his pilot’s license after restoring two airplanes. He won many awards from various car shows and clubs such as Dearborn’s for both ‘51’s. He was a TRG’s President and an active member since the early years of TRG #39.

Wallace was very proud of his Choctaw heritage. His great, great grandmother relocated to Oklahoma traveling with her tribe on the Trail of Tears. He was an active member of the Choctaw Nation and even learned how to speak some of the language. He is survived by his wife Lillie Mae Henry of Tulsa, his three children and their families, including numerous great grandchildren and great, great grandchildren, nieces, and nephews.

How lucky are we to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard. “Chi pisa la chike.” Till we meet again. Wallace was a quiet but a positive full of life man willing to assist others in their pursuit of restoring early V-8’s or other things.

DOUGLAS “DOUG”

LEO SHULL,

Doug Shull, 82, of Sylvania, Ohio, passed away Monday, November 1, 2021, in his home.

He was born March 28, 1939 to William (Doc) and

Dorothy (Stevens) Shull of V-8 TIMES MAGAZINE

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Sylvania. He was a graduate of Sylvania Burnham High School and earned his mechanical engineering degree from the University of Toledo. He married Diane Imes on June 3, 1978. Doug worked and traveled as a custom product specialist for The Toledo Scale and later as a crew dispatcher for the B.& O. Railroad. He served as an assistant mutual manager for Toledo Raceway Park as well as Hazel Park in Detroit, and also the Kentucky Derby.

Doug was an avid reader of all things mechanical and possessed an extensive collection of Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury cars and literature. He served as the Early Ford V-8 Club’s Technical Advisor for 1952/53 Mercurys, helping members worldwide.

He is survived by his loving wife of 43 years, Diane.

CONNIE VINCENTINI OHIO RG #141

Connie and Jerry Vincentini were friends that we met at many of the EFV8 National Meets from coast to coast. They also joined Ohio Region #141, and were members for several years.

They worked very hard to get the EFV8 Foundation Museum built and were very instrumental in it being located in Auburn, Indiana. Connie spent many, many hours helping plan Motorfests, and the Central National Meets that Ohio Region #141 helped with in Auburn. Her talent really came through as she was an excellent planner for ordering all the meals, figuring out the fees, ordering the goody bags, and planning tours. Connie and Jerry had the trophies made along with the Meet pens, plaques, gear shift knobs, shirts, etc. She had any information that was needed, and had the information that Jerry needed before he asked for it.

Connie was always working for our Early Ford V8 groups and organized seven Motorfest Meets to raise money for the Museum. She won the Clara B. Ford Award and also the title of "Miss Motorfest." She was a very detailed oriented person, and a hard worker, who was kind, caring, and organized. We will miss her contributions, her enthusiasm, and especially her friendship.

REMEMBERING CONNIE AND BOB

It saddens me to say I have not only lost two fellow V-8ers, but also two of my dearest friends – Connie Vincentini and Bob Malley. Both were very active in the Early Ford V-8 Club. Both will be remembered for the outstanding support they gave the Early Ford V-8 Club and the Early Ford V-8 Foundation when it was in its infancy.

I first met Connie (Francis) Vincentini when I attended my first “Motorfest.” The Motorfest was the idea of Jerry and Connie, held in Auburn, at the site of the proposed Museum in the late 1990s. Without a doubt, Connie was in charge and her enthusiasm was not lost on the attendees. She was a great spokesperson for the Foundation and two Early Ford V-8 Club National Meets held there.

Connie was always outgoing and always greeted me with a big hug when we attended a National Meet or Board meeting. (I never told her I am not a hugger!) But that’s how she was – always happy to meet old and new friends alike.

Speaking of the Motorfest, that’s where I first encountered Bob Malley. When I saw Bob and his wife Judy drive up in a fully restored highway bus! (I’m in to Ford V-8 Trucks.) I knew this was a kindred spirit that I had to meet. Bob was outgoing and everyone who met him was his friend.

That would be true at this Motorfest. Returning from a car show on the square with a busload of V-8ers, the bus scraped a car parked in front of the hotel. Bob apologized to the owner and offered to pay for repairs. The “passengers” on the bus opened their wallets and chipped in.

The last time I saw Connie and Bob was at the 2019 Central Meet at the Museum. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see Connie too much, as she was busy making sure everything at the Meet was running smoothly. I did get to spend some time with Bob, as we sat on a bench in front of the Museum, where he and I reminisced about the “good old days.” I consider Connie and Bob special friends and I’ll always remember them and the many contributions they made to the V-8 community.

Jerry Windle V-8 TIMES Editor Emeritus

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BLOCK IDENTIFICATION

V-8 TOOLS Lin Stacey 35W699 Park Lane St. Charles, IL 60175 linstacey@sbcglobal.net

Mr. Abbin,

This is fan mail. I am rereading your Ford & Mercury Flathead V-8 Identification & Rebuilder's Guide. It's first rate. I don't know where you get all this stuff, but it helps me navigate my way around a Flathead. Great companion to your 335 HP book and Building a High Performance Flathead videos.

I do have a question, though. (You didn't think you'd get out from under this without a question, did you?) I have a block I haven't been able to identify. It's an NOS 59 with 3-1/16 bore. I believe it's a service replacement, but the 59 on the bellhousing throws me. Table 3-1 of the guide IDs service blocks as 41A. Is mine a service block? If so, is it a 41A with a superseding part number or perhaps a later casting? Can I safely go to 3-5/16? and I appreciate it very much.

John Merli

Hi John,

I've heard of those 3-1/16" bore "59" blocks before. The most likely explanation is that they were transition blocks. I would not attempt boring beyond 3-3/16" without doing a sonic check for cylinder bore thickness. You would like a minimum wall thickness after boring of 3/16" (.188"). Any less is risky because of potential casting flaws on the water jacket side of the cylinder wall.

Joe Abbin, Early Ford V-8 Engine Adviser

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1951 HEATER CONTROL VALVE

Dear Glenn,

am sure you understand, it is steps forward and steps backward. Finally got the entire cooling system plumbed and functioning. However, after running the engine a couple of days ago, I realized that the passenger side floor was puddled in coolant. I was somewhat baffled, as the heater core and valve were pressure tested, and "thought" to be in good order. But no, the heater valve was leaking. I thought I had another used one, but can't find it. I will bi-pass it for the time being, but was wondering what words of wisdom you might be able to offer. Are they rebuildable? Is there an alternative?

On another note, I have found, and been corresponding with Mike Wrey at Cayucos Auto Interiors. He has the light brown and dark brown vinyl for the interior. I've had no success getting any information from SMS, whom as I understand, bought out the remains of Le Barron Bonney. Mike will make the seat covers, headliner, and sun visors for me. I will be delivering the seat springs, frames, etc. to him in the not too distant future. He's done lots of Woodies.

Thanks, for all your help. It is a journey.

Ron Hitter

Dear Ron, fellow who advertised in the Services section of the V-8 Times for several years. I sent him one for my ’51 Woody and he rebuilt it. However, I checked random magazine issues back to 2013 but could not find him.

C&G Ford Parts has a rebuilding service listed in their online catalog. Send them yours and $150.

I have a catalog from Concours Parts & Accessories that shows the valves and sells a 1” diameter rubber diaphragm (8A-18501-DIAPH) to repair several valves including the 1A-18502-B. I talked to the fellow there a couple of years ago. His toll free parts line is 800-722-0009.

Glad you found someone to do your seats. I know others who have tried to contact SMS without success, so I am wondering if they are in operation.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Ford Advisor

INSTALLING NEW PLUG WIRES

Dear Glenn,

The question I have is how to get plug wires thru the bracket mounted to the head and circular “o” ring with spark plug boot and distributor boot? Ideas?

The heater control valves can be rebuilt. There was a David Bush

The ends plugged into the distributor cap will go through more easily than the ends on the plugs with the 90 degree bend. I would mark everything with tape or labels so that you know which wire end goes on which plug and into which hole in the cap. Replace each wire one at a time, pulling it out of the cap and through the bracket. Find a new wire the same length, mark it, and route it back the way the old one came out. That worked on my V-8, but I have not tried it on the six. I took the wires, cap and brackets off of the car to work on. I also let them sit in the sunshine for a few minutes to soften up the wires and the boots.

Let me know how it works.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Ford Advisor

FRONT ENGINE SPLASH SHIELD

Dear Glenn,

We are working on a ‘49 Tudor and I can’t find any bolt holes in the frame for the front splash shield. Did all 1949 Ford cars have the pan that was located below the radiator? Same question but for the late ‘51 passenger car.

Thanks,

Bob Gearhart

Dear Bob,

I did not find anything in the Service Bulletin Index or by leafing through the bulletins. I did, however, find the "Shield (Front Engine Splash)” listed in the back of the Chassis Part Manuals. Part 8A 16550-B is listed for 49-50 and part 1A 16550 is listed for 51. This might account for the difference you noted previously regarding the raised ridge around the “U” shaped cutout. My ’51 has no ridge, so perhaps only the 49-50 had it.

Interestingly, the picture supplied does NOT show the pan for the 1949 model (Figure 1). Given that your car does not have the holes for the screws in the frame, front cross member or radiator support, I doubt that it came with the pan. This could have been a mid-year addition that was not announced. Serial numbers for the ’49 V-8 start with 98BA-100001 and end with 98BA-948236. Does your car have a low serial number?

Finally, my friend down the road thinks that some of the late ’51 cars might have been delivered without the shield.

1951 6 CYLINDER ENGINE COLOR

Dear Glenn,

I have a 1951 Ford Custom Deluxe Coupe. It is a 6 cylinder engine. I have the head off now. I thought it might be a good time to paint the head. What color is the 51 6 cylinder painted?

Thank you! David Bush

Dear David,

Bronze. Same as the V-8.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Ford Advisor

1950 FORD OVERDRIVE AND POINTS

Dear Glenn

I had written to you before about changing the pan gasket and rear seal on my ’50 Ford.

be disconnected without taking the transmission down?

Next question is about the ignition. The car was converted from 6v to 12v and the points were changed to a magnetic pickup. What do I have to do to put the points back?

George Heuer

p.s. Is there a good oil to slow the leak in the rear seal?

Dear George,

The overdrive can be locked out by pulling the small handle to the left of the steering column out. (Do this while the car is stopped.) In the event that your car is missing that handle, you can probably lock out the overdrive by finding the lever on the driver’s side of the overdrive unit behind the transmission and moving it forward. If you mean can the overdrive be removed from the car without removing the transmission, the answer is probably no. The rear motor mount is part of the overdrive case. While you might be able to unbolt the overdrive unit and pull it out while under the car, lining up the internal parts to reassemble it would be a challenge. By the time you remove the driveshaft, rear motor mounts, overdrive cable and wiring, you might as well make it easy on yourself and remove the transmission so you can mate the units on the workbench.

I am wondering why you might want to remove the overdrive. You don’t need to remove the unit to lock it out, as described above. If the overdrive doesn’t work, it is very unlikely that the problem is in the mechanical parts within the overdrive. I have never known one to fail. If you are attempting to make the overdrive operate, the problem is much more likely to be in the electro-mechanical controls such as, the relay, the switches or most likely, the solenoid. There is a very nice description of the overdrive and its repair in the Accessories section of the 1949-50-51 FORD PASSENGER CAR SHOP MANUAL.

Regarding your second question, to remove the magnetic points I believe you just need to replace the plate that holds the magnetic pickup inside the distributor and install a plate that holds the points, along with new points, a rotor and a condenser. If the kit that was used to install the magnetic pickup used the stock Ford plate, you might not have to replace it. Be mindful that there are small internal wires that connect the lead from the coil to the points and to ground. There is an excellent picture of these parts in the SHOP MANUAL.

Finally, I don’t think there is an additive that will solve the oil leaking problem in flatheads. We used to pour in a can of STP, but I am not certain it helped. I use High Mileage 20/50 oil in my older engines. The cold 20 wt. will probably leak a bit, but by the time it warms up to 50 wt. it might slow the loss. I have friends who, in desperation, made a small collecting pan that they suspended below the hole in the pan with the big cotter key to collect leaking oil. Emptying the pan once in a while is a lot easier than cleaning up the garage floor and also saved embarrassment when they visited friends with clean driveways.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Ford Advisor

WINDWING ON 1951 VICTORIA

Hi Glenn

My question: At a recent car show somebody bumped into the driver's side window and broke the upper swivel joint. I believe I'll have to replace the entire assembly, which, if I remember correctly when I restored the car 20+ years ago, includes the channel that the window glass slides up and down in? I don't have a Ford 1949 to 1954 Body Parts Catalog, only the Chassis Parts Catalog. Can you provide me with the part number for the assembly, and perhaps a picture of it so I can properly describe it to sources? I also believe the assembly is different from other '51 closed cars?

Thanks Glenn - no rush Jay Harris

In the Window Assembly (FRONT DOOR VENTILATING) Group #21406-7, my 1944-1952 FORD BODY PARTS CATALOG shows: 1951 Victoria (Model 60) L.H. (includes glass, frame, upper & lower pivots & locking handle), part number 8A 7621407-C. The same part number is shown for 50-51 Convertibles (Model 76). The ’49 convertible has the same basic numbers with an “A” suffix. You are correct in noting that the other body styles use a different part.

My Victoria had loose upper swivel joints on the vent windows. My friend up the road replaced the rivets with small screws. That required slight modifications to the rubber, but it worked. Consequently, you might not have to replace the whole assembly.

A picture of the page from the Body Parts Catalog is attached (passenger side). My swivels look different than the one in the picture (part #22976). Mine have an upward pointing pin screwed to the glass frame and a chrome receiver with a hole in the bottom screwed to the outside frame. I believe they were originally riveted.

Glenn Albert Brown

Albert,

I don’t have any information on engine rebuild kits. I am going to copy Joe Abbin, our Flathead Engine Advisor, on this to note to see if he can point you in the right direction.

Glenn

Hi Glenn,

Kanter Auto Parts, https://www.kanter.com/ gallery.aspx? DeptNo=1400&MakeName=Ford&MakeYear=1950 &CategoryID=31&Router=Catalog and Egge Machine, https://egge.com/product/kits.php? action=Search+MMY&kit_make=FORD&kit_year= 1950&kit_engine=239+CID list kits for Mr. Brown's 1950 Ford V-8.

These are both reliable firms. Falcon Performance and Clegg Engine list kits currently on eBay.

Joe Abbin, Engine Advisor

FLOOR MATS FOR 1951 FORD WOODIE

Dear Glenn,

I would like to know if there is a source for floor mats in my 51 Ford Woodie. Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Carlos Jimenez

Dear Carlos,

The 1944-1952 FORD BODY PARTS CATALOG indicates that original part numbers for the Station Wagon front mats were 1A-7913000-N for standard shift and 1A-7913000-P for the Fordomatic. There is a note in the catalog that these two mats plus the mats for all other body types for ’51 were replaced by B1A-7013000-AB (page 86). This suggests that Station Wagons are the same dimension on the floor as other body styles, so all would use the same front mat. Note also that the ’51 mats originally supplied by Ford included a Ford Crest in the middle. Catalogs from Shoebox-Central.com, CGFordParts.com and ConcoursParts.com list only one front mat for the ’51. There was also a rubber rear mat that fits from the back of the front seat to the front of the third seat. Finally, the back of the folding seat and the rear floor area were covered with a grooved battleship linoleum. Another V-8 Club

ENGINE REBUILD KIT

Glenn,

My name is Albert Brown and I am looking for an engine rebuild kit for a 1950 Ford, V-8. If you have

member with whom I spoke reported that this material was available from C&G and from Dennis Carpenter.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Advisor

1951 FORD TRUNK MATS

Dear Glenn,

Would a rubber trunk mat for a 50 Ford work in my sister’s blue 51 Tudor Custom providing it is the same body style? If so, I know I would have to notch out around the trunk latch on the floor area. Unfortunately, no one has the mat for the 51 Ford. Thanks for your help.

Robert Gearhart

Dear Robert,

I am going to say “yes”, even though one popular catalog I have shown 1949-1950 but not 1951. The 1944-1952 FORD BODY PARTS CATALOG, printed in June 1956, shows part 1A-7045456-A, “51 Mat (Luggage Compartment Floor)”, replacing part 8A-7045456-D, the 49-50 mat. This mat works for Tudor, Fordor and Convertible in 1949-50 and Tudor and Fordor in 1951. (In 1951 the Convertible and Victoria used a woven mat.)

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Advisor

Dear Glenn;

….On another matter a few volumes ago concerning 51 Convertible trunk mats, I have first-hand information that not all convertibles had the woven mat. I was the second owner of my first car, an original 51 (35K mile) convertible and I remember how time consuming it was wiping all those ribs on my rubber trunk mat. The car was purchased from a neighbor and I had first-hand knowledge of its history. At the last EFV8 Dearborn Nationals I convinced [the judges] not to deduct points on my ‘51 convertible because it had a rubber (non-woven) mat. I was thinking of doing an exchange with the woven mat in my Crestliner for judging but I found in the Trunk Section of the 1949-1951 Restorer’s Guide, chapter 3 page 23, "there is evidence that some convertibles and Victorias came with rubber mats" and I can confirm that for the convertible. FYI I received the Dearborn award that year (989/1000) and most of those lost points have been corrected.

Daryl Wilusz

Dear Daryl,

Thanks for the clarification on woven trunk mats. My guess on Ford’s decision to use the woven mat in some Convertibles and Victorias in ’51 is that they were looking for anything they could do to upgrade their top-of-the-line models to compete with GM. The same reason, maybe, that the Crestliners were the only cars that came from the factory with outside mirrors. It is also possible, although less likely in my view, that rubber was scarce during the Korean War and they were testing substitutes.

The 1944-1952 Ford Body Parts Catalog shows only a rubber mat (#1A-7645456-A) for body types 60

(Victoria) and 76 (Convertible). In 49-50 only one mat is shown for the Tudor, Fordor and Convertible. Materials are not listed.

I have only seen two original woven ’51 trunk mats. The one in my convertible and one that a friend took out of a local Victoria that had been stored for 30 years. I don’t know of any sources for the material. The mat in my own Victoria is probably a one-off reproduction made by Monjure’s Auto Repair and Body Shop when they restored the car in Slidell, LA, in 1989. They bought materials from Le Baron Bonney and did the stitching themselves. They also bought items from Concours Parts & Accessories but they only show one trunk mat for ’51 in their catalog (1A-7045455). I notice that the 1951 FORD TRIM MANUAL lists “rubber” for the rubber mats in coupes and sedans but not for the Victoria or Convertible.

It’s a mystery! We know the woven mats exist and the 1951 TRIM MANUAL shows them. I also notice that the Corrections for THE 1949-50-51 FORD BOOK (First Edition) say that, “Black rubber mats were installed in all models and model years except for some 1951 convertibles and Victorias which had woven mats with a plaid design”. I am wondering if the woven mats were used in early or late model-year cars or were used in some assembly plants but not others.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Ford Advisor

FLATHEAD ENGINE REBUILD

Dear Glenn,

Thanks for all you do on the advisory panel. My ‘51, original 8BA, 83k miles, needs a pro rebuild. Are there any motor guys in SC/NC, GA or FL, you could suggest? I don’t want to go all the way to H & H. Stock rebuild as a driver. Any input is appreciated. Thank you.

John Webster

Dear John,

I am in California and I am not familiar with engine rebuilders on the east coast. Joe Abbin, the V-8 Club’s Flathead Engine Advisor, is in New Mexico. I will copy him on this anyway in case he has national contacts I don’t have.

I noticed an ad in the July/August V-8 Times for a new engine rebuilding shop in western New York. It is called “VALVE-EN BLOCS”, mkansas32@yahoo.com, but I do not know Mark, the proprietor. My recommendation is to contact members in V-8 Club regional groups in your area. There are groups listed in each of the states you listed. See page 7 of the 2021 Roster of Members for contact information for these groups. Other members have certainly faced the same question.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Ford Advisor

MATCHING PAINT

Dear Glenn,

I am trying to understand the codes for paint given on page 2-2 of the 1949-50-51 Ford Book A restorer's Guide. Specifically, 1951 Sea Island Green. The Ford number is M-14555 and there are two other numbers: 61-1458 (Lac) and 80-434 (Syn).

Can you tell me what does 1458 (Lac) mean? Can you tell me what does 80-434 (Syn) mean?

I talked to a paint supplier, he said that these are no longer available. Is there a current paint code (base coat, clear coat) or (Urethane paint) (or other paint type) that gives me this color (1951 Ford Sea Island Green)?

Thank You! David Bush

Dear David,

Call for details.

"Lac" means Lacquer, still available in small quantities, but not used for whole cars anymore. "Syn" means Synthetic Enamel, also not used in its original formulation.

The chemistry of auto paint has changed several times in recent years so the formulas listed in the old manuals do not match anything anymore. The ingredients are unobtainable. Regulations are also different in different states, so that makes obtaining paint even more difficult.

Last I knew, at least two sources were available. Auto Color Library in San Diego, California, autocolorlibrary.com and Finish Master in Appleton, Wisconsin, 920-757-6233. My most recent experience was Sea Island Green from Finish Master in 2016. They might still have the formula. I sent them a glove box door, a gas door cover and a cowl vent from three different cars, the last being the ’51 Victoria. They sent me three spray cans with good matches to maroon, red and Sea Island Green. They have a three spray-can minimum, I also bought their primer after a bad experience. Their paint is single-stage. I tried a local supplier who got me two-stage in spray cans for a blue car. I found that to be harder to use.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Advisor

CONDENSER?

Dear Glenn,

Caught your name and contact in the latest V-8 Times under advisory panel. I am experiencing condenser failures. The car is quite stock.

I purchased the car in March of this year. Just before the first tour I checked dwell and timing - all correct. 750 miles into the tour engine stopped running then after cooling would start. A friend and I did some 'in field" troubleshooting which included replacing coil, condenser, and points. After cooling got it started but ran rough. Good enough to get it on a trailer. When I got the car home the car ran good enough to get off the trailer but was very rough. I found the points to be really off (.030 or more). I adjusted the points to .015, dwell 27 deg, timing right on. When I started the engine ran strong for about 30 seconds then stopped then ran “crappy" as before. I replaced the condenser with a NAPA / Echlin FA76 condenser and car ran like a top for just over 500 miles. Just for safety I replaced the coil with a Standard Products UC14T 6 volt ignition coil. Says right on body no external resistor required.

The 18th of this month the club went on a tour of about 175 miles. Car ran great. The next day I did

some engine cleaning nowhere near the distributor. After I was done, could hardly start and once started ran and missed like before. Installed a new FA76 condenser and now runs great.

Sorry for the long story but wanted to explain what happened. Am I using the wrong condenser? Is there something in the distributor that could be damaging the condenser? I would appreciate your input.

Ron Hopwood

Dear Ron,

I have had similar troubles. I can think of a few possibilities. First, some of the parts we get lately are not as good as the originals. So, one or more of your condensers might just be bad. I do not have the NAPA parts books. The Ford number for the condenser is 12300. However, I expect NAPA gave you the correct replacement condensers. Your coil matches the numbers on the old Standard UC 14 6v I carry as a spare, so I think that is correct as well. No external resistor is required.

You can test condensers with an ohm meter. Set it to high ohms (x10K), connect a lead to the wire on the condenser and a lead to the case and watch the needle. It should jump as the condenser charges and then settle at a lower value. (If you don’t see the needle jump, reverse the leads.) Then short the lead to the case to discharge the condenser and try it again. The ohm meter will tell you if the condenser is either shorted or open permanently.

Secondly, given that you have had the same problem with three different condensers, including the original, it appears that something other than the condenser should be considered. The terminal on the side of the distributor to which the coil attaches is insulated from the distributor base with a rubber bushing. There is a wire under the point plate that connects that terminal to the points. If the rubber bushing is old and leaks or the wire touches ground intermittently or is loose where it connects on either end, you can get erratic performance or the engine will not run. It is possible you jiggle that terminal when you replace the points and aggravate an intermittent connection. Neither a short nor an open in the distributor should damage the condenser, so I don’t think that is the problem.

Thirdly, another possibility is that the voltage regulator is set too high and running the engine for a length of time allows the generator to overheat the coil or the condenser. You should see this on your amp meter while you are driving. You can also measure the voltage at the BAT terminal on the

voltage regulator. It should be about 7.2 at 1500 rpm.

Fourth, your ignition switch might be intermittent. Measure the voltage at the input to the coil when the engine is running properly and then again when it runs poorly to see if there is unwanted resistance in the system.

Fifth, I had a similar problem when a bit of the sealer I used on the gasket for the top of the carburetor deteriorated and fell into the float bowl. It was intermittently blocking one of the jets, causing the engine to lose power.

Finally, you might have a valve that is sticking intermittently. I am told that pouring an ounce or two of Marvel Mystery Oil into the carb while the engine is running and/or adding about 4 oz to a tank of gas can help with this.

Let me know what you find out.

Glenn Davis, 1949/51 Advisor

1950 FORD F1

Dear Glenn,

I recently purchased a 1950 Ford F1 and am interested in learning more about the vehicle. The truck is fully restored but there may be some parts that are not original and I am looking to take the truck back to stock with the hope of maybe showing it at some point. I was wondering, are there any books, websites and or people that could help me answer some questions?

Thanks, Tom Kane

Dear Tom,

Congratulations on purchasing your F1.

I have a book called, “Classic Ford F-1 Pickup Trucks, 1948-1956”, by Don Bunn, which is useful. It is not a restoration manual and might have some incorrect pictures, but it is a fun book to have.

Also, my predecessor, Cecil Goff answered several questions for people restoring these trucks. His responses can be found by searching the V-8 Times Index available for download on the V-8 Club website, earlyV8ford.org under V-8 Times. The Forum on that site is also a good place to ask questions.

Ford published several catalogs of parts specific to trucks. For example, Google "Ford Truck Chassis Parts Catalog”. Take a look at the Facebook Group called, “19481952 Ford F1 Trucks”. Hope you enjoy your truck. I drove a 1950 F1 to work for several years.

Glenn Davis, 1949-51 Ford Advisor

CRACKED BLOCK

Hello Glenn,

I have a 1951 Ford Country Squire with an 8BA flathead. When we pulled the engine, there were 4 cracks in the block. Can you recommend somewhere I might be able get a replacement block? I am in the Pasadena area.

Tom Forbes

Tom,

I don’t have a ready source for uncracked flathead blocks. They are becoming rarer with each year.

I will copy Joe Abbin, the V-8 Club’s Flathead Engine advisor. Perhaps he has a source or maybe some guidance on what kinds of cracks can be repaired successfully.

Glenn Davis, 1949-51 Advisor

Hi Glenn and Thomas,

There really are no ready sources of uncracked Ford blocks that I am aware of, but they are available. San Francisco Flatheads sells new French blocks. See https://www.facebook.com/SF-Flatheads358357124271711/

The best parts sources are often our local V-8 club reginal groups. Also, the classified ads on the national v-8 club website often show blocks for sale. See https://www.earlyfordv8.org/Classifieds.cfm Some cracks are acceptable as-is, some fixable, and some not reliably either. Send a picture of what you have, and I can assess, or call to discuss. Also see www.roadrunnerengineering.com for book info.

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CARS FOR SALE

1934 Ford Roadster: Ver y good to excellent condition. Body-off restoration in the 1990s. Everything works. Housed in showroom, then garaged. All as when it came out of the factory, including tools. Stock. Best offer. Richard Nichols, 704-892-9953, richardnichols@gmail.com. (NC) up, all original. Dearborn award for quality. More pictures available. $33,000 or OBO. August Larson, 913-274-6715. (KS)

1937 Ford: Flat back 2-door V-8 60. Factory paint, mint grille and chrome. Complete, never rodded. Needs to be restored, engine frozen. Good title. $6,000.00. Ben Callahan,660-563-3313. (MO)

1951 Ford Victoria: 2-door hardtop. Earlier complete frameup restoration. Original two-tone Hawaiian Bronze/Sungate Ivory colors, in durable base coat/clear coat finish that sparkles. LeBaronBonney interior, beautiful chrome. Always garaged and pampered. Engine is stock 239 CID with completely rebuilt Ford-O-Matic Transmission. Dual "Smitty" tailpipe and mufflers for performance and soft, throaty V-8 exhaust sound. Starts and runs smooth and cool, 68,500 miles. $22,500.00. Allan Edwards, 703408-8372, Alfromva@aol.com. (VA)

1936 Ford Cabriolet:

Convertible with rumble seat. Washington Blue, tab top. AM radio, glove compartment clock, Columbia Overdrive, chrome hubcaps, chrome decorative hub covers. Always garaged, excellent condition. Stock car, $65,000.00. R. Hatt, 578-399-4606, rhatt@nycap.rr.com. (NY)

1937 Ford Pickup: Washington Blue and black. Restored frame-

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1951 Mercury: Spor t Sedan, rebuilt 255 / 8cm, 3-speed O/D, new brakes, original interior, older repaint blue, good glass 31,800 miles, no rust. $21,500.00 firm. Russ Redshaw, 724-323-3212, russredshaw@yahoo.com. (PA)

Ford: Bar clona Blue. LeBaronBonney Taupe convertible top. LeBaron-Bonney brown interior. Complete restoration of car. $29, 500.00. Photos can be mailed or emailed. Tony Flores, 612-7091711, flores_tony@msn.com. (MN)

1933 and 1934: Three Window Coupe, Roadster, Sedan Delivery, Wagon. Always looking nationally to buy ‘33s and ‘34s in excellent condition, to unfinished projects. Please do me a favor and call anytime because I am interested in your car. John Dillon Sr., 831-238 8235, fullscalemodels@yahoo.com 11/1 2/24 (CA)

CARS WANTED

1933 to 1939: Coupes and Convertibles. Adding to an

CARS WANTED

existing collection, restoring and showing. Please contact me to discuss what you have. John Dillon Sr., 831-238 8235, fullscalemodels@yahoo.com 11/1 2/24 (CA)

PARTS FOR SALE

1934/1946: Closing out 19341946 Hot Air Heater inventory. 40 boxes of parts including exchangers, tubing, elbows, mufflers, fan motors, switches, registers, defroster vents, etc. Some complete assemblies for later years. Also selling dies for stamping sheet metal parts. $2,500. Rob Doudrick, 828- 4073810 doudrick3@msn.com. (CA)

1935/1950: Ford, Lincoln, Mercury. 1935-1936 Ford pickup tailgate, red. Appears to be NOS, $350.00. 1949 Lincoln oil filter, $85.00; four blade fan and bracket, $150.00. 1949 Lincoln left and right exhaust manifolds, $120.00. 1942-1947 Ford open drive shaft side shift transmission with rear mount, $475.00. 19421947 Ford open drive output shaft and gear, plus rear transmission bracket, $150.00. 1950 Mercury auto transmission with converter, metal shields and short cross member, special starter, $350.00 Elwood Williams, 805-603-0191, edw1939@gmail.com. (CA)

1949/1951 Ford: 1951 complete grill, parking lights, bumpers. Head light rings – all rechromed. All for $1,500.00; one pair 1949/51 front fenders, $250.00; center grill pan and gravel guard $50.00. Kenneth Quirk, 561-7936724 9am to 3pm est. (FL)

1950: Ford 8BA engine 100 over bore. No visible cracks or broken head bolts. Not rusty. Stored inside, apart for inspection. No pistons, have rods, cam, pan, etc. Complete standard crankshaft. Would clean up at 10-10. Good set of reground valves. Cannot ship. $750.00. Ed Savard, 562400-4326 (CA)

Engine: 60hp For d V-8 engine with clutch and plate. No crank pulley, distributor or exhaust manifolds. $550.00. Bill Ritchel, 315-404-4876. (FL)

Parts: Var ious par ts for sale. Two 59AB engines. One engine is relieved. One engine is $650.00, the other I am asking $550.00. Columnia 2-speed differential, in very good condition and complete, $3,500.00. Other transmissions and various parts. Photos can be mailed or emailed. Tony Flores, 612-709-1711, flores_tony@msn.com. (MN)

1932: “Pull Off” original Ford roadster upholstery. Need for my patinaed roadster. Lenny Branch, 843-530-6994. (SC)

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1939: Ford DeLuxe car hood release handle #W91A-8215-B new or good used condition used. Dean Foote, 928-634-8324, deanfoote10@gmail.com. (AZ)

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MEMORABILIA FOR SALE

Floor Mats: Custom car mats w/ EFV8 logo. Promote our club and protect your car when you cruise. Black felt, non-slip vinyl backed custom cut for every body style Ford 1932/48. ford and Mercury. Black carpet ribbed backed 1949/53 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury, $50/pr. Delivered in USA. Steve Krueger, 770-5913852, steve13987@gmail.com (GA)

SERVICES

The following individuals and/or vendors are listed as a service to members restoring their vehicles.

The Early Ford V-8 Club does not endorse them. It is the responsibility of the individual member to verify before using their services.

1932 V-8 Alternator: We now have the technology to convert the 1932 generator to an alternator, 40 amps, 6 or 12-volt. E.J. Whitney, 714-773-1611. (CA)

1949/53 Ford Convertible Parts:

All made in Columbus, OH. All of the casting for the 1949-1953Ford Convertible. New item: rear chrome plated window frame for the 1949/50 Ford Convertible 9”x26”, most S/S shoulder bolts. Overdrive adapter. Fender skirt mounting brackets and handle. Pins for header. Convertible top repair book. Also some used parts. Call for needs. J. Tim Halter, 614905-2151, 1949/51 Ford Mercury Association at Appraiser Service: Cer tified appraisals for antique, classic, muscle cars, street rods and light duty trucks. Experience with both domestic and foreign vehicles. Accurate appraisals in a timely manner. We do total loss claims on collector cars and everyday family vehicles. Please call or visit our website for more information. Dennis Parus, ASCAA, IACP-BOCAA Certified Auto Appraiser, Ride On Appraisals Inc., Ft. Myers, FL; St. Charles, IL and South Haven, MI, 630-721-1009.

Antique Titles: Collection. One or all. Most makes and very reasonable. Jim Alger, 8200 W 6th Pl., Lakewood, CO 80214, 303-237-9317 or 720-987-3701. (CO)

Brake, Fuel & Oil Lines: Br ake line kits 1939-1956. Pre-bent fuel lines 1934-1953. Pre-bent oil lines 1941-1948. Pre-bent oil lines 2N, 8N and 9N. Email for pricing. Denbeck Enterprises, 1440 W. 1000N, Markle, IN 46770, 260438-3836, djb3099@yahoo.com. (IN)

Classic Radio & Clock Repair: Classic Auto Electric will repair/rebuild your classic Ford radio and clock to run as new. In additional to our full set of repair and restoration services, we now offer full FM conversions as well as auxiliary input for your classic radio. Joe Dickhudt, Classic Auto Electric, 401 N. Carrie St., McPherson, KS 67450, 620-2416927, classicautoelectric.com, joe@classicautoelectric.com. (KS)

Clock Mirror Services & Parts:

Available are a variety of parts and services for the Ford authorized rear view mirror clocks from 1933 through 1936. Clock and housing spare parts, mirrors header mounts and working movements are available. This

will complement my interest in providing complete clock mirrors for any year. Please email your detailed wishes and phone number. Dave, 651-707-4798 (daytime calls please), daveann444@cs.com. (MN summer, AZ winter)

Flathead V-8 Ford Parts:

Flathead V-8 parts, new and used, a few for G and H series. 6 cylinders too. Bearings, gaskets adjustable lifters—for V-8 60hp too! Buy main, rod and cam bearings in one order and I will pay the shipping in the USA. Reds’ Vintage Parts, 22950 Bednar Ln., Ft. Bragg, CA 95437, 707-964-3230, info@reds-vintage -parts.com. (CA)

Ford Generator To Alternator

Conversion: Gener ator to alternator conversion 33% more output than your generator. Looks and fits like original! 12V, 40 amp Neg. or 6V Pos. ground. Ed Whitney, 8612 Kendor Dr., Buena Park, CA 90620, 7141-773-1611. (CA)

Ford-O-Matic Rebuilding Kits:

$140. Bands, pumps, parts available. David Edwards, Box 245-EF, Needham, MA 024941218, 781-449-2065 (evenings). (MA)

Ford Parts Rebuilt: Columbia 2 -speed rear end with controls. Fits 1946-1948 Fords. Brass tag on unit #14354. Also have a rear end, radiator, steering column and a gas heater assembly from a 1941 Ford Convertible. Steve Edmonds, 541-969-8188 or 541-969-8227 (OR)

Glass: Super ior quality safety glass. 1920-1965 stock cars and trucks. Cut to original patterns. 30 years experience producing windows for concours restorations, drivers and customs. Fast, friendly service. Meticulous craftsmanship. Licensed product Ford Motor Company. Sanders Reproduction Glass, 6005 NE 121st Ave., Vancouver, WA

98683, 360-883-4884, sandersreproglass.com. (WA)

Keys & Locks: J esser’s Classic Keys offers a full line of NOS original keys. Complete locksmith services. We stamp and code cut keys for judging. We can rebuild or recode your locks. Obsolete and discontinued cylinders? Yes! Inquire with year, make and model. Jesser’s Classic Keys, 26 West St., Dept. EF8, Akron, OH 44303, 330-376-8181, Fax: 330384-9129, jessersclassickeys.com. (OH)

License Plate Restoration:

Remove rust, pits, holes, dents and painted original colors or special colors—any state. $40 per plate, $8 shipping. Add $1 for shipping each additional plate. 4-5 weeks turn around. Satisfaction guaranteed. Also for sale any year Michigan plate. Duane Wells, 1621 Craig St., Lansing, MI 48906, 517-371-3225, michplates@comcast.net (MI)

Overdrive Transmission

Service: Rebuild or set-up your overdrive or standard transmission to work properly. Specializing in flathead valve work. Stan Albanese, 223 Livingston Ave., Lyndhurst, NJ 07071, 201-9336857 (evenings). (NJ)

Rebuild & Rebuilt Distributors:

I rebuild all makes and models of Contact Point Distributors from 1910 to 1970 and have a large amount of distributor ignition parts to support these rebuilds. I live in Australia, but rebuild distributors worldwide. V-8 Club member #915337, and member of all early Ford V-8 clubs in Australia. David Braham, BCA Remanufactured Distributors, 16 Beltana Ave., Modbury North, South Australia 5092, 61+ 438885347, dbraham.aop@ bigpond.com (Australia)

Restored Ford Dashboards &

Moldings: Concour s quality woodgrained dashboards and moldings for 1938/39/41 and ‘46 Fords available. Keith Payne, PO

Box 490, Purcellville, VA 20134, 571-442-0625, or visit olddominionoyster.com for parts listings. (VA)

Restoration Supplies & Parts:

Ford engine enamels in quarts and aerosols—most years; Ford Spyder hubcaps; 1936/39 15, 16, 17 and coming soon 18 inch wheel trim rings; chassis and undercarriage paint; tank cleaners, etch and sealer, convertible tops— all years; carpet material—several types; broadcloth, Bedford cloth and mohair upholstery fabrics; 6 and 12 volt Halogen bulbs for all Ford products and others. Bill Hirsch Automotive, 396 Littleton Ave., Newark, NJ 07103, (800) 282-2061, hirschauto.com. (NJ)

Show-Ready/Show-Only Tools

For your V-8: Cor r ect show only tools and tool kits for the flathead years. Contact me with model year and needs for availability and pricing. Lin Stacey, 35 W. 699 Park Ln., St. Charles, IL 60175, linstacey@sbcglobal.net. (IL)

V-8 Ford Diapers: Keep your floor and driveways free of the “normal” V-8 Ford oil drip. See 2017 November/December V-8 Times. New rear end diaper, $25. $65 includes shipping. Nick Cassaro, 221 Willow Ave., Hayward, CA 94541, 510-8891933, whiznick20@gmail.com. (CA) starting, improved acceleration and slightly better mpg. Cleaned throughout, lubed and precisely timed. Prices vary according to parts needed - $85-$160, without caps and coil. References plus money back if not satisfied. I can rebuild 1932/36 also with the original weights. Cliff Green, 703-346-1458, deliftongreen@gmail.com. (VA) ‘30s though ‘50s. V-8 Club member since 1970. Regulator Roy, #2 Folwell Ln., Mullica Hill, NJ, 08062, 609-828-8537. (NJ)

Woodgraining: Hand-painting for dashes, garnish moldings and steel bodies Woodies. Reasonable rates. In Houston, TX. James McIntyre, 713-3030883, macpinstriping.com. (TX)

Wake Up Your Engine! 1937/40 owners—I rebuild distributors using NOS 11A shaft and weights for a better advance curve. Better

Window

Regulators: NOS 1932/53, some later. Lower window channels,

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EARLY FORD V-8 CLUB OF AMERICA INTERNATIONAL REGIONAL GROUPS LIST

001 Golden Gate Charter, CA 003 Western New York, NY 004 Sacramento, CA 005 New England, MA 006 Lone Star, TX 008 Northern Illinois, IL 009 Mid-Wiliamette, OR 010 Columbia River, OR 011 Srn. California, CA 012 Battle Born, NV 013 Virginia, VA 014 Hudson Vly., NY 015 East Tennessee, TN 016 Central Carolina, NC 017 Central Delaware Vly., PA 018 Puget Sound, WA 019 San Diego, CA 020 Northern Ohio, OH 021 Long Island, NY 023 Inland Empire, WA 024 Georgia, GA 025 Wichita, KS 026 Big Vly., CA 027 Redwood Empire, CA 028 Hi-Country, CO 029 Central San Joaquin, CA 031 Diablo Vly., CA 032 Mission Trail, CA 035 Badger State, WI 036 National Capital, MD 037 Phoenix, AZ 038 Garden State, NJ 039 Tulsa, OK 040 San Fernando Vly. V-8s, CA 043 Omaha, NE 044 Great Salt Lake, UT 046 Twin Cities MN 047 Golden Spread, TX 048 Greater Pittsburgh, PA 050 Houston, TX 051 Central Illinois, IL 052 Piedmont, NC 054 Cornhusker, NE

055 Kansas City, MO 056 Indiana, IN 057 Cascade, WA 058 EFV8 Club of Sweden, SWE 059 Mohawk Vly., NY 061 Srn. Arizona, AZ 064 Oklahoma City, OK 065 Gem State, ID 066 Narragansett Bay, RI 067 Dearborn, Ml 068 Hawk Mountain PA 071 Srn. Texas, TX 077 Cedar Vly., IA 079 Tumbleweed, NM 082 Umpqua Flatheads, OR 084 Ventura, CA 085 Beaver State, OR 088 Baldy View, CA 094 South Australia, AUS 096 Northern Virginia, VA 097 Volunteer, TN 100 Bayou State, LA 102 Norway, NOR 103 Northern New Zealand, NZE 104 Show Me, MO 105 Greater Rockford, IL 106 Derby City, KY 108 Gator V-8ers, FL 109 Vancouver Island, CAN 110 Natural State V-8s, AR 113 Spoon River, IL 114 Yakima Vly., WA 115 Dallas, TX 117 Srn. Kiwi, NZE 118 Twin State VT 120 Vancouver Fraser Vly., CAN 121 Capital City, TX 122 Big Country, TX 123 Heart of Texas, TX 124 St. Louis, MO 125 Cable Car, CA 126 Srn. Michigan, MI 127 United Kingdom, UK

129 Palm Beach, FL 130 El Dorado, CA 131 Connecticut, CT 132 Gulf Coast, FL 135 Atascadero, CA 136 Danish, DEN 138 Northern California, CA 141 Ohio, OH 143 New South Wales, AUS 144 East Texas Lazy 8s, TX 145 Central Iowa, IA 146 Blue Ridge V-8, NC 147 Upstate New York, NY 148 Palomar Mountain V-8s, CA 149 Srn. Ontario, CAN 151 Victoria/Australia, AUS 152 Birthplace of Speed, FL 153 Big Sky V-8, MT 154 Maine Coast, ME 155 Central NY Flatheads, NY 157 Queensland, AUS 158 Mojave Desert ,CA 159 Cape Cod, MA 160 Peach State, GA 161 Lookout Mountain, GA 162 Montgomery County, TX 163 Upstate, SC 164 Argentina, ARG 167 South Carolina, SC 169 Auburn Blue Ovals, IN 171 Srn. San Joaquin Vly., CA

For more information on any of our EFV8 Regions, please visit us at efv8.org and click on the Regional Club Directory tab. Regional Group Certificates of Insurance Bill Simons, Rust Insurance 1510 H. St. NW 5th Floor Washington, DC 20005 202-776-5030 www.rustinsurance.com

LOTTIE & HER HUMAN FORD

This publicity photo features a 1936 Ford Deluxe Convertible Sedan and four young ladies promoting the “Lottie Mayer Diving Queens” show.

This diving show began as a vaudeville act in the 1920s. It featured young women called “Diving Nymphs.” The full name of the act, at least later on, was "Lottie Mayer and her Singing and Diving Nymphs." The act involved scantily clad young women highdiving into a tank of water onstage. It was a dangerous act. One of the nymphs died backstage practicing, hitting her head on the edge of the tank. The show up front went on anyway, in true vaudeville style.

Note the added attraction; “The Human Ford. It Sees! It Hears! It Talks! It Will Amaze You!”

EXECUTIVE STAFF

Chief Judge…..... Ken Bounds DCJ (Eastern)…. Ray Beebe DCJ (Central)…. John McBurney DCJ (Western)... Tom Johnston DCJ (Alternate).. Rick Claybaugh JSC Chairman… Dan Krehbiel Secretary JSC…. Carolyn Bounds Historian………. Wayne Taylor Legal Advisor…. Michael Rowe Web Admin……. Bruce Nelson Webmaster…….. Big Giant Media

NATIONAL OFFICERS

President…….... John Caldwell Vice-President... Connie Hall Secretary……… Steve Kroger Treasurer……… Dave Rehor

INTERNATIONAL REPRESENTATIVES

Canada (‘20-’22)… David Hamer Europe (‘21-’23)... Jan Ryden Australia (‘21-’23)… Trevor Poulsen New Zealand (‘20-’22)… Ewan Gardiner

V-8 TIMES EDITOR

Shannon Olson

V-8 TIMES ASSOCIATE EDITORS Dave Graham & Henry Dominguez

V-8 TIMES EDITOR EMERITUS

Jerry Windle

V-8 TIMES PUBLISHER

Modern Litho Jefferson City, Missouri

2019-2021

Rick Claybaugh (TX) Dave Collette (PA) Connie Hall (CA) Joseph Reger (ID)

2020-2022

John Caldwell (GA) Steve Kroeger (IA) Joe Valentino (CA)

2021-2023

Steve Kronen (OH) Andrew Laureno (CT) Jerry Littner (CA) Lou Mraz (CO)

2021 BOARD OF DIRECTORS

2022-2024

Mark Strohecker (CA) John Mason (MD)

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