Hater by Watchlords Inc

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I had my Mobula sized this past Friday at a local Mall watch shop. I first went to this one watch shop and ask to get the bracelet sized. He asked if it was an Invicta (holding the yellow box) and said yes. He pointed to a watch shop right across the corridor and said 'over there'. I thought to myself, "what difference should it make, what brand you want sized" and went to the shop he recommended. Entering the store I said " I was referred here". The person said "a Invicta huh". I said 'yes', can you size the bracelet, he said 'sure'. When he seen the watch he asked what I paid, I replied " 170.00 something". He replied back "you could have got this for a 100.00 @ 'Big Five' sporting goods. I said 'really', it just came out. After a couple of fittings he came back, put the watch on & said 'this isn't real ceramic'. I replied 'how can you tell?'. He said because of the sound it made when tapped by a mallet. He also continued to say he used to sell Invicta's when they only made 'automatic's'. I asked why he didn't continue to carry the line and he replied 'the auto's' always had issues. Last thing he told me was 'don't drop the watch, it will shatter'. When I got home I was thinking what a 'hater' this dude was. He will never get any more business from me, that is for sure. First off, as a professional you never 'knock' what someone has purchased. IMO this dude was a jerk to say the least. Secondly, when I got home on the out side of the bracelet I seen the pins from two links sticking out. A minor fix for me. If this guy wanted to make me feel like a 'jerk' for buying this watch...it didn't work. In fact, quite the opposite. Just had to vent, its been bugging me. Exactly what the "prick" wanted I suppose. __________________

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I wonder, does he feel his job is to help the customer, or just attack the watch he's wearing? What an idiot. I sure wouldn't go back... __________________ Time - the 4th dimension. A beautiful thing. Without it, everything would happen at once. gman66 View Public Profile Send a private message to gman66 Find all posts by gman66 Add gman66 to Your Contacts #3 05-29-2011, 09:57 AM

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You were lucky to get a "read" on his character early ... before you brought him ANY more expensive pieces ... regardless of brand. He did you a favor and didn't know it. Be sure you spread the word to all your friends. newwatchguy View Public Profile Send a private message to newwatchguy Find all posts by newwatchguy

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You handled it better then I would have, I would have lit him up like a Christmas Tree! __________________ Hmmmmmmm. I can't say what I want to say! RipitRon View Public Profile Send a private message to RipitRon Find all posts by RipitRon Add RipitRon to Your Contacts #7 05-29-2011, 10:09 AM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Braintee, MA. Posts: 16,717 Real Name: Rick

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Originally Posted by RipitRon You handled it better then I would have, I would have lit him up like a Christmas Tree! .............. lol ............ Blue mrblue View Public Profile Send a private message to mrblue Find all posts by mrblue Add mrblue to Your Contacts #9 05-29-2011, 10:11 AM

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I wish you would have asked him when, exactly, it was that Invicta only made automatics. That one is new to me. Also would have like to ask him what material that was was made out of (since it wasn't actual ceramic) that won't scratch. It is hard to come up with material that you can run a piece of stainless steel across many times and not scratch it. __________________ Michael

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I have had the same experience with a local (mom and pop) Jeweler. I had taken a Sub Aqua Specialty in for sizing. I did not carry the box in, but just the watch. When I handed the watch over to the "mom" behind the counter, she barked about how heavy the watch was and that wearing something of this weight could and would damage the nerves in my wrist. I thanked her for her concern. She took the watch back to her husband, "pop," to size (after I explained just how many links out from both sides). I could hear him mumble about the weight and size of the watch, "It was Gaudy!" After a couple of minutes, the owner (pop) emerged from the back carrying the watch in a tray. At that time, several other customers were in the store looking. When the owner set down the tray to have me try the watch on to insure its fit, one of the other customers came over to ask about the watch. Before the customer could ask, the owner told them, "We don't sell this type of watch here, you have to purchase 'Something' like this from one of those Home Shopping Programs on TV." He (customer) actually seemed to ignore him and continued to show interest in what I was putting on.

The owner continued to push more falsehoods out as the customer exhibited more and more interest in my watch. Finally the customer asked me how much I paid for the watch. I had paid $270 (Close-out with the ETA 251 movement), and the customer turned and asked the

owner if he had an all black watch, with 500 meter water resistance for around $300 or less and, "looked that good?" The owner quickly shuffled over to the other counter and reached under the counter and brought out two watches.... A Casio G-Shock and some brand I had not heard of. The customer asked if he could put my Invicta SAS down next to the other watches... As the customer made note, there was no comparison in the look between the three watches. While the Casio is a fine watch, it really isn't one you can wear with a suit at a business or formal function. The off-brand (or house brand) had a Chinese movement, and it was only water resistant to 50 meters. Both were under $300 and yet the owners (now both mom and pop) were trying to find a way to down sell the Invicta and up-sell their products. I finally asked what my bill for the adjustment. I also told both of them that I did not appreciate their putting me in a position, defending my decision to purchase this watch. I mentioned that I do purchase jewelry for my wife, but I most likely would not come back for any pieces. I paid my bill and walked out. Oddly, the customer followed me out and apologized for the situation. He gave me his card (VP at VISA, SF) and asked if I could email him all the details as to where he could pick up a SAS. I am sure the shop lost him as a future customer as well. __________________

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It's a shame that there are business people out there that are ignorant and find it better to bash a quality item than educate themselves. I have been much luckier. Before I started sizing my watches i went to my local jeweler. The owner admired my timepieces. Though he did not sell them he was happy to help me and compliment what I was wearing. As some said I would not take kindly to a person who knocks an item without really looking into it. Or maybe they had a bad experience. You can buy a high end watch , car , television etc. and

have a problem That's life. Hopefully the company stands behind their product and does the right thing. I own 32 Invictas and have had too send at least three back for repairs. It took some time but they were fixed to my satisfaction. Enough of my rant on this. Have a great weekend. convgto69 View Public Profile Send a private message to convgto69 Find all posts by convgto69 Add convgto69 to Your Contacts #12 05-29-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BoloZolo I had my Mobula sized this past Friday at a local Mall watch shop. I first went to this one watch shop and ask to get the bracelet sized. He asked if it was an Invicta (holding the yellow box) and said yes. He pointed to a watch shop right across the corridor and said 'over there'. I thought to myself, "what difference should it make, what brand you want sized" and went to the shop he recommended. Entering the store I said " I was referred here". The person said "a Invicta huh". I said 'yes', can you size the bracelet, he said sure. When he seen the watch he asked what I paid, I replied " 170.00 something". He replied back "you could have got this for a 100.00 @ 'Big Five' sporting goods. I said 'really', it just came out. After a couple of fittings he came back, put the watch on & said 'this isn't real ceramic'. I replied 'how can you tell?'. He said because of the sound it made when tapped by a mallet. He also continued to say he used to sell Invicta's when they only made 'automatic's'. I asked why he didn't continue to carry the line and he replied 'the auto's' always had issues. Last thing he told me was 'don't drop the watch, it will shatter'. When I got home I was thinking what a 'hater' this dude was. He will never get any more business from me, that is for sure. First off as a professional you never 'knock' what someone has purchased. IMO this dude was a jerk to say the least. Secondly, when I got home on the out side of the bracelet I seen the pins from two links sticking out. A minor fix for me. If this guy wanted to make me feel like a 'jerk' for buying this watch...it didn't work. In fact, quite the opposite. Just had to vent, its been bugging me. Exactly what the "prick" wanted I suppose. Not trying to defend the guy at all, he was un-proffesional! That being said, Invicta, along with ShopNBC and eBay is killing, I mean really killing the brick and mortar guys. My watchmakers can't sell a watch unless it s Timex or something under 50.00. He has Rolex, Piaget, Fortis etc and they are all sitting there at a real deep discount (accept for the Rolex) collecting dust. Fortunately he fixes watches for jewelers all over the world so he's busy but sales suck. They do a decent jewelry business but even that is way down! So the guys is probably wondering how's he going to make payroll and the rent this month

and when we go into those stores and give them 10.00 to size a watch we bought someplace else they get pissed. You should buy a tool kit and do the sizing your self. The tubes aren't that hard to do if you have the right tools. Good Luck! Ron __________________

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hokk54 Senior Geek ya gotta' feel sorry

ya gotta feel sorry for bricks and mortar jewelry shops who have to compete against The Shop whose merchant to consumer model brings the price down not defending mom and pop--but what if it was your mom and pop in that store competing against The Shop ? and

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mom and pop must really put the hate on LIOR the world keeps changing tell your children not to be buggy whip or candle stick makers; and oh yeah, mom and pop jewelry stores where the customer buys a watch on TV brings it to you to take out a link for $5 and your mall rent is $5000-- not a business. ya gotta' feel sorry hokk54 View Public Profile Send a private message to hokk54 Send email to hokk54 Find all posts by hokk54 Add hokk54 to Your Contacts #14 05-29-2011, 10:34 AM Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Abilene, Texas Posts: 413 Real Name: Mark

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I just don't understand this. I can see the loss of business aspect, but beyond that, why so much hate? Mom and Pops can sell Invictas, right? Maybe it's the price, blowin their margins... __________________

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Yup all 11 of my Invicta automatics just suck! lol YOU HANDLED IT RIGHT __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834 Z4MC View Public Profile Send a private message to Z4MC Find all posts by Z4MC Add Z4MC to Your Contacts #16 05-29-2011, 10:43 AM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lebanon Indiana Posts: 1,503 Real Name: Mike Browning

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Unfortunately people don't understand what people actually want in a product. that happens a lot when they are sizing a new piece realizing that the person sizing it lost the money of the sale. But they will not take interest in what is current and carry a more modern selection. __________________ There is no "I" in team, there is however an "M" and an "E" mikepbrowning View Public Profile Send a private message to mikepbrowning Send email to mikepbrowning Find all posts by mikepbrowning Add mikepbrowning to Your Contacts #17 05-29-2011, 10:51 AM

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Not only is the guy an Invicta Hater he also contradicted himself in his discussion with you.. Ceramic can and does shatter..if it's not ceramic what other material does he think it is that would cause it to shatter if one dropped it on the floor..HMM sounds like he is a hater and ignorant at the same time.. I would have told him thanks for the sound advice I'll take my business down the street.. Jon

BTW The Mobula line of timepieces are stunning..congrats on buying one..sorry you had to put up with that guys S**t..Not every jeweler is like that... Quote:

'this isn't

real ceramic'. I replied 'how can you tell?'. He said because of the sound it made when tapped by a mallet. He also continued to say he used to sell Invicta's when they only made 'automatic's'. I asked why he didn't continue to carry the line and he replied 'the auto's' always had issues. Last thing he told me was

'don't drop the watch, it will

shatter'. When I got home I was thinking what a 'hater' this dude was. He will never get any more business from me, that is for sure. First off as a professional you never 'knock' what someone has purchased. IMO this dude was a jerk to say the least. Secondly, when I got home on the out side of the bracelet I seen the pins from two links sticking out. A minor fix for me. If this guy wanted to make me feel like a 'jerk' for buying this watch...it didn't work. In fact, quite the opposite. Just had to vent, its been bugging me. Exactly what the "prick" wanted I suppose. __________________

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I have a few watch guys/jewelers near me that have a lot in common in terms of their personalities. 3 people isn't exactly a pattern for all but I am curious if they don't have some of the same things in common with the watch guys/jewelers you folks go to. My guys are real perfectionists, artistic and very opinionated (if asked their opinion or not). They all like smaller and older watches, too. They all wear watches that are at least ten years old and probably around 37-38mm in case size. They all have made comments or just "certain negative looks" about the larger size of my watches. They haven't picked on Invicta in particular but they clearly seem to want to sell me watches and not just service them and those watches would all be less than 45mm. I doubt that they would be in favor of any XL sized Invicta. I don't think I've seen anything > 45mm in any of their shops anyway. __________________ "Whoever said money can't buy you happiness didn't know when new Deep Blues went on sale and ShopNBC had 15% coupons." NG111 View Public Profile Send a private message to NG111 Send email to NG111 Find all posts by NG111

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ive had the exact opposite happen to me with my invictas... i went to a shop that sells high end brands as i was doing price research on a Breitling SA, the guy who was showing me the SA's could not stop telling me how beautiful my Subaqua Specialty was... i guess it depends on where you go... i see it like this, if you do not have haters you're doing something wrong... __________________

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It's truly a shame that this jeweler acted as he did. I can only give my experience. Prior to sizing my watches myself I always went to a local jeweler/watchmaker. Ever since I brought my larger Invictas into be either serviced or sized by him he's always shown an immense amount of interest in them. Never a bad word, sideways glance, or negative remark. He's always enjoyed working on them and found them interesting. Just so you're all aware, he sells nothing but Rolex, Breightling, Tissot, Chopard and Mount Blanc. He's never afraid to pull out any of these for me to look at and always has kind remarks about what I bring in. Because of this approach he's got a customer for life with me. I always feel terrific about what I own when I walk out of his store/shop. Here's hoping that you find another jeweler who will show you the respect you deserve! __________________

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you know what the problem is that your watch is better than anything in his shop and he knows it i do my own sizing but for two or three months i would take every watch to him and have him do the work but thats just me stuff like that makes me happy you dont take your car to get there opinion on how the like it its to fix it and they keep there thoughts to them self __________________

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d by glacierdog same experience with a local (mom and pop) Jeweler. I had taken a Sub Aqua Specialty in for sizing. I did not carry the b n I handed the watch over to the "mom" behind the counter, she barked about how heavy the watch was and that wearin d and would damage the nerves in my wrist. I thanked her for her concern. She took the watch back to her husband, "po ed just how many links out from both sides). I could hear him mumble about the weight and size of the watch, "It was Ga

of minutes, the owner (pop) emerged from the back carrying the watch in a tray. At that time, several other customers we the owner set down the tray to have me try the watch on to insure its fit, one of the other customers came over to ask ab omer could ask, the owner told them, "We don't sell this type of watch here, you have to purchase 'Something' like this fr opping Programs on TV." He (customer) actually seemed to ignore him and continued to show interest in what I was putti

inued to push more falsehoods out as the customer exhibited more and more interest in my watch. Finally the customer a the watch. I had paid $270 (Close-out with the ETA 251 movement), and the customer turned and asked the owner if he th 500 meter water resistance for around $300 or less and, "looked that good?" The owner quickly shuffled over to the oth der the counter and brought out two watches.... A Casio G-Shock and some brand I had not heard of. The customer aske

SAS down next to the other watches... As the customer made note, there was no comparison in the look between the thre is a fine watch, it really isn't one you can wear with a suit at a business or formal function. The off-brand (or house brand ment, and it was only water resistant to 50 meters. Both were under $300 and yet the owners (now both mom and pop) w own sell the Invicta and up-sell their products.

what my bill for the adjustment. I also told both of them that I did not appreciate their putting me in a position, defending atch. I mentioned that I do purchase jewelry for my wife, but I most likely would not come back for any pieces. I paid my dly, the customer followed me out and apologized for the situation. He gave me his card (VP at VISA, SF) and asked if I co s to where he could pick up a SAS.

hop lost him as a future customer as well.

ry Chris! Way to go! Remember, there is no such thing as a bad business, only bad owners! Always vote with your pocket w it, that retail space will be selling donuts!!!!! invictawatchwatcher View Public Profile Send a private message to invictawatchwatcher Find all posts by invictawatchwatcher Add invictawatchwatcher to Your Contacts #27 05-29-2011, 12:28 PM Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 52 Real Name: Timothy

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No bueno. I would've lit him up as well. elite21 View Public Profile Send a private message to elite21 Send email to elite21 Find all posts by elite21 Add elite21 to Your Contacts #28 05-29-2011, 12:29 PM

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Prior to buying a watch sizing kit (thinking I couldn't do it myself) I use to go to one of three

or four places in the malls. I never had any bad experiences and for the most part, those places also sell Invicta. Having worked retail sales/management many years before my current career... customer service goes a long way. Even if you don't sell, service or like something.. you never bad mouth it. You simply try to sell what you have, comparing the pros/cons of each. A smart consumer wants an honest salesman. __________________ â&#x20AC;&#x153;We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.â&#x20AC;? warface View Public Profile Send a private message to warface Send email to warface Find all posts by warface Add warface to Your Contacts #29 05-29-2011, 12:31 PM Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Central VA. Blue Ridge MTNS. Posts: 3,951 Real Name: Lynn

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Hmm too bad for that guy--go somewhere else. Personally, I have two watch places that have always complimented me on my Invicta's-sized them for 5 bucks and have never said one negative thing about the company. blduckhockey View Public Profile Send a private message to blduckhockey Send email to blduckhockey Find all posts by blduckhockey Add blduckhockey to Your Contacts #31 05-29-2011, 12:44 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hub of the Universe Posts: 1,271 Real Name: Chuck

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BTW The Mobula line of timepieces are stunning..congrats on buying one..sorry you had to put up with that guys S**t..Not every jeweler is like that... Jon...... Does this look familiar? It looks like Akribos copied a Perregaux design...

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you know what it is...what is it that they are tired of people bringing in INVICTA'S for them to size...instead of people buying their watches instead....thats why when you bring them one to size they think oh god not another INVICTA...after having just one experience like this...I decided to buy my own tools...FORGET THEM I SAY...they arent worth toe jam( I wanted to say they arent worth something else..but this is a family friendly site...)go ahead buy your own tools... __________________ I HAVE TIME TO KILL....

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Invicta is a lightning rod that's for sure. That guy was an idiot for running off business. There is more than one formula for ceramics btw. pokerhustler View Public Profile Send a private message to pokerhustler Find all posts by pokerhustler Add pokerhustler to Your Contacts #34 05-29-2011, 12:51 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hub of the Universe Posts: 1,271 Real Name: Chuck

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Originally Posted by bigboyzback you know what it is...what is it that they are tired of people bringing in INVICTA'S for them to size...instead of people buying their watches instead....thats why when you bring them one to size they think oh god not another INVICTA....this DEAL with people like this again...after having just one experience like this...I decided to buy my own tools...FORGET THEM I SAY...they arent worth toe jam( I wanted to say they arent worth something else..but this is a family friendly site...)go ahead buy your own tools... Ivan.I agree 100%. I do my own bracelet adjustments now because I got tired of listening to somebody give me a lecture about on-line purchases. After the first "encounter", I learned not to tell them what I paid for it. lol Chuck __________________ MBA1996/Chuck

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What does that have to do with my remark..IWG does some homages just as Stuhrling O does.. My aforementioned comment had to do specifically with the jeweler contradicting himself with respect to the material being used....not real ceramic he says...don't drop it on the floor he says..what is it made of then plastic?? Ceramic can and will brake if dropped or hit hard with a mallet...I don't remember the jeweler making a remark about the timepiece in question being an homage or out right copy of another brand..correct me if I am wrong.. Jon

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Does this look familiar? It looks like Akribos copied a Perregaux design...

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Your expierence must be universal! I had the same type of thing happen when I got my Invictas and a Renato T-Rex sized. The "jeweler" was trashing the watch as a "T.V." brand. His jewerly counter displayed dozens of new watches, (mostly common asian makes). They were all 38-40 mm's and looked like the same watches I've been seeing for the past 40 years. He probably hadn't sold one in months. (that's why he became snotty). I asked him if he had ever worked on 7750's? He looked at me like I came form Mars. "What's that"? he asked. Then I knew he was no watch expert, just a tinkerer who knew "squat" about watches. Doing my own sizing now. hawk27 View Public Profile Send a private message to hawk27 Send email to hawk27 Find all posts by hawk27 Add hawk27 to Your Contacts #37 05-29-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk27 Your expierence must be universal! I had the same type of thing happen when I got my Invictas and a Renato T-Rex sized. The "jeweler" was trashing the watch as a "T.V." brand. His jewerly counter displayed dozens of new watches, (mostly common asian makes). They were all 38-40 mm's and looked like the same watches I've been seeing for the past 40 years. He probably hadn't sold one in months. (that's why he became snotty). I asked him if he had ever worked on 7750's? He looked at me like I came form Mars. "What's that"? he asked. Then I knew he was no watch expert, just a tinkerer who knew "squat" about

watches. Doing my own sizing now. I completely understand... I have since purchased

from Amazon.com __________________

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Nice do it yourself kit from Amazon..How much may I ask was the price..

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I avoid buying TV watches with bracelets that need sizing. I'm not exactly handy with tools, and I also don't feel like trotting my watches out to a jeweler who doesn't want to waste his time on a $10 fitting. It seems Invicta or the other TV brands would offer to size the watches to the consumer's specifications. They must know local watch dealers don't want to bother with this. Of course, why spend money on something that might convenience your customers? It seems Invicta would rather just tell me how easy it is to size my own watch, then point and laugh when I have trouble doing it. Invicta is becoming large enough, perhaps they can invest in brick-and-mortar stores or service centers. willie99 View Public Profile Send a private message to willie99 Find all posts by willie99 Add willie99 to Your Contacts #42 05-29-2011, 01:54 PM

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Differently will get the tool kit. Never a question in my mind not to do the sizing, just need to to get the tool kit. I was going to ask him more questions...but, reserved doing so. Normally with his type of personality it would have been a waste of my time. Bottom line is I am happy with the watch, in quality and presence. And yes, it was the best looking time piece in his shop...lol __________________

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I size my own watches as well but I really think these shop owners are making a mistake . Think about this if word gets out they size Invicta watches with a smile at the rate people buy them, 10 bucks a pop for 2 minutes work is not a bad deal. It adds Up __________________

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Originally Posted by willie99 I avoid buying TV watches with bracelets that need sizing. I'm not exactly handy with tools, and I also don't feel like trotting my watches out to a jeweler who doesn't want to waste his time on a $10 fitting. It seems Invicta or the other TV brands would offer to size the watches to the consumer's specifications. They must know local watch dealers don't want to bother with this. Of course, why spend money on something that might convenience your customers? It seems Invicta would rather just tell me how easy it is to size my own watch, then point

and laugh when I have trouble doing it. Invicta is becoming large enough, perhaps they can invest in brick-and-mortar stores or service centers. actually willie99...you may want to some research before you make statements....INVICTA is not cosidered a "TV" brand and secondly INVICTA does have retail stores...there is one in Orlando...in a shopping area called City Walk.... I am sure there are other stores as well...but I am not the one that made that statement ..you did...just because you have not heard of any in your area doesnt mean they do not exist....do the research..... __________________ I HAVE TIME TO KILL....

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I really can't believe the stupidity of these clowns at the mall brick and mortars shops. To be honest with the value and selection Invicta offers and the timepieces available on the shop and the Internet in general; they should realize they're almost a dying breed. Bad customer treatment, insane markups and VERY LIMITED selection of brands sounds like a recipe for a business tanking for sure! Scott IAmScott View Public Profile Send a private message to IAmScott Send email to IAmScott Find all posts by IAmScott Add IAmScott to Your Contacts #46 05-29-2011, 02:27 PM

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Can anyone explain to me why these jewelers have such an arrogant attitude when it comes to fixing these timepieces...do they not want are money...Granted my former jeweler told me that IWG does not supply and will not sell parts to anyone who they deem not authorized...which begs the question who is... either way it pisses me off thanks for letting me vent

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Ok, as for the woe to the modern watch shopkeeper bit.... If business is really so bad for that shopkeeper, or any shopkeeper, then he would try his best to make sure every single customer felt like a million bucks leaving his shop, so that he would keep their business. This guy wasn't a poor shop owner, he was just an @$$ hole. ForeverBlue232 View Public Profile Send a private message to ForeverBlue232 Find all posts by ForeverBlue232 Add ForeverBlue232 to Your Contacts #50 05-29-2011, 03:48 PM

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As far as watchmakers are concerned there will always be 'haters'....I'm currently looking for a new watch maker in my area, because there are some repairs that inexperienced geeks like myself cannot do...My former watchmaker made one comment too many with me touting Invicta watches as being a TV Brand...I guess he thinks they are not a legit company because he doesn't see them in magazines parading in a fleet of authorized dealer jewelry boutiques like his and therefore could not hold a candle to any of his highly advertised brands.. Can anyone explain to me why these jewelers have such an arrogant attitude when it comes to fixing these timepieces...do they not want are money...Granted my former jeweler told me that IWG does not supply and will not sell parts to anyone who they deem not authorized...which begs the question who is... either way it pisses me off thanks for letting me vent

The same reason most other watch sites Hate Invicta. Jealousy is a mean thing!!! I found over the years that high end Car people, Motorcycle people, Watch people are just pissed off that The Corvette, Japanese cruisers, Invicta's make a product that equals or surpasses theirs for generally 50% or more less. They arent pissed they have it bad, they are pissed others have it better. __________________ Hmmmmmmm. I can't say what I want to say! RipitRon View Public Profile Send a private message to RipitRon Find all posts by RipitRon Add RipitRon to Your Contacts #52 05-29-2011, 04:39 PM

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Don't sweat it. Sounds like the dude might have been a little jealous of your watch. What a knucklehead. gibby62 View Public Profile Send a private message to gibby62 Find all posts by gibby62 Add gibby62 to Your Contacts #53 05-29-2011, 04:46 PM

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The transaction would have been over after the first negative comment. How can you trust the workmanship? I take the watches I can't size or mess up to a kiosk in the hallway of my local mall. There's a Japanese watch and jewelry repair dude there who seems to know his stuff. I've taken many brands from ShopNBC to him. He says, in his opinion the Invictas I have brought him are the best made with the highest grade materials of most of the watches he sees on a daily basis. He is happy to work on them and always does a most excellent job. I am getting better at doing my own sizing and strap/bracelet modifications. But I think I will take my ceramic Invicta to him when I receive it. TachyFan View Public Profile Send a private message to TachyFan Find all posts by TachyFan Add TachyFan to Your Contacts #54 05-29-2011, 05:00 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,323 Real Name: Jon

jwin66 Super Geek

Right on Ron!

Jon Quote:

Originally Posted by RipitRon The same reason most other watch sites Hate Invicta. Jealousy is a mean thing!!! I found over the years that high end Car people, Motorcycle people, Watch people are just pissed off that The Corvette, Japanese cruisers, Invicta's make a product that equals or

They arent pissed they have it bad, they are pissed others have it better. surpasses theirs for generally 50% or more less. __________________

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Originally Posted by bigboyzback actually willie99...you may want to some research before you make statements....INVICTA is not cosidered a "TV" brand and secondly INVICTA does have retail stores...there is one

in Orlando...in a shopping area called City Walk.... I am sure there are other stores as well...but I am not the one that made that statement ..you did...just because you have not heard of any in your area doesnt mean they do not exist....do the research..... Invicta IS a TV brand, it's the #1 brand sold by ShopNBC. How is that not a TV brand? I know they also sell some watches in discount stores like Costco, Wal-Mart, and Home Depot, but it's still a TV brand. I realize there are a few Invicta brick-and-mortar stores, but I don't think this is the primary way they sell their watches. At any rate, when something goes wrong with an Invicta watch, I'm instructed to mail it in and pay the $28. There isn't an Invicta store anywhere nearby that I can take it to. The point of my post was to suggest that Invicta offer sizing of their bracelet watches that are sold online or on ShopNBC. Nothing in my post was a misstatement or required "research". willie99 View Public Profile Send a private message to willie99 Find all posts by willie99 Add willie99 to Your Contacts #56 05-29-2011, 05:55 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,323 Real Name: Jon

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Tourneau comes to mind..but you're right IWG does not have a fleet of boutique stores, that I know of, that sell them on a continual bases...I would also like to know why IWG does not sell their parts to most if not all watchmakers who might want to conduct repairs on them...What if any authorized dealers/ service centers exist that work with invicta other than Tourneau... Jon Quote:

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I would NEVER return to a business who would INSULT me or my purchases. Especially when you are there, doing THEM a favor, paying for a service. Some ppl just live to be d*cks. jeffsmonte View Public Profile Send a private message to jeffsmonte Find all posts by jeffsmonte Add jeffsmonte to Your Contacts

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I don't get it. The place I took my SAS to have it sized carries Mont Blanc, Breguet, TAG Heuer, Baume & Mercier, Omega, Vacheron Constatin and others and they were polite and professional. When the jeweler came out, he looked it over and said, "nice watch" while weighing it with his hand. While he was in the back room one of the salesmen made a comment about the heft of the watch and concern for my wrist but it was in the gentlest of manner so as to not seem offensive, just funny. Whenever I go in to window shop, they always accommodate me and let me handle the wares. Why can't everyone just get along? I'm sorry to hear what you went through. dvp55 View Public Profile Send a private message to dvp55 Find all posts by dvp55 Add dvp55 to Your Contacts #59 05-29-2011, 07:09 PM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Near San Francisco, CA Posts: 154 Real Name: Chris

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Nice do it yourself kit from Amazon..How much may I ask was the price.. Jon You can find the repair kit $63.95 __________________

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Some people are just jackasses. I've experienced the same thing, but actually not with an Invicta. It's happened with citizen and movado's. They didn't attack the brand, so I guess it's not exactly the same, but treated me like I was a degenerate for not having bought the watch from them, which I think is the main source of their resentfulness, regardless of brand. I size my own now, and do a better job. __________________ no comment..... xenon135 View Public Profile Send a private message to xenon135 Send email to xenon135 Find all posts by xenon135 Add xenon135 to Your Contacts #61 05-29-2011, 08:40 PM Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 364

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Walked into one place to get a battery changed on an Older Pro Diver I had. The guy was Oh

Invicta this and that. I was wearing My Venom at the time. So I took it off handed it to him and said heavy huh? he said yes. I said ok Tell me what watch you have thats built that Heavy is 500 meters Water resistant and I can get it for around 300 bux. He got real quiet real fast. __________________ I hear voices in my head...watch voices...screaming...BUY ME!!! Horolgist232 View Public Profile Send a private message to Horolgist232 Send email to Horolgist232 Find all posts by Horolgist232 Add Horolgist232 to Your Contacts #62 05-29-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by willie99 Invicta IS a TV brand, it's the #1 brand sold by ShopNBC. How is that not a TV brand? I know they also sell some watches in discount stores like Costco, Wal-Mart, and Home Depot, but it's still a TV brand. I realize there are a few Invicta brick-and-mortar stores, but I don't think this is the primary way they sell their watches. At any rate, when something goes wrong with an Invicta watch, I'm instructed to mail it in and pay the $28. There isn't an Invicta store anywhere nearby that I can take it to. The point of my post was to suggest that Invicta offer sizing of their bracelet watches that are sold online or on ShopNBC. Nothing in my post was a misstatement or required "research". Yeah...a "TV brand" that sells millions and millions of watches world wide. You have no clue as to the reach we have as a brand and rather than find out the truth, you'd rather continue to make ignorant comments. As to your other comments concerning sizing watches...you should know that sizing the watch for every customer is out of the question, right? I would point out how totally outrageous your complaint is. But, based on your other comments, I know that it would be falling on deaf ears. __________________ Michael

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It shows the Mentality of a Worker Bee ... Not thinking as an Owner ... He will always be at the mall doing one job or another ... Know it All's ... Usually know - nothing at All ... They refuse to Learn and Grow In addition ... Customer Service is Key ... ESP in this or any Economy Governor View Public Profile Send a private message to Governor Send email to Governor Find all posts by Governor Add Governor to Your Contacts #64 05-29-2011, 09:05 PM

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I too have experienced watch repair places with genius employees that know it all. I started doing my own watch sizing so I won't bother them since they are so important and know that they are way too busy to do.....their job!! My money will spend anywhere and I guess they just have too much of it and really can't handle making more money from someone like me. Any business owner, especially a

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professional will never dog another business or product. If they do, They have identified their character and what they stand for. They obviously want their customers as a one time only. Their loss!! Your gain!! Invictaholic View Public Profile Send a private message to Invictaholic Find all posts by Invictaholic Add Invictaholic to Your Contacts #65 05-29-2011, 09:15 PM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 1,557 Real Name: Bo

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I took my Invicta 'sapphire elite' to get sized many years ago (not an auto, by the way)...I was so excited, got her home and noticed that the permanent link was dinged...ever since, i've sized my watches at home. the jeweler that sized my sapphire elite is now OUT OF BUSINESS... poor workmanship...it gets you every time. :****: __________________

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Thanks Chris, Jon Quote:

Originally Posted by glacierdog You can find the repair kit http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846 for $63.95 __________________

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These "hater" threads are soooo entertaining. Fellas, these are just watches. NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #68 05-29-2011, 09:45 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 107 Real Name: Larry

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I have taken my watch to a older European watchmaker for sizing never a word about my SAN III. I now go to a mall jeweler doesn't sell any watches really just batteries and sizing and never a word about my Invictas. I do most of the sizing myself now. I keep telling myself that after forty Invictas I need to look for something else, but Invictas are just too good looking and made with quality parts that I keep coming back. I shop watches everyday looking for a good deal on something I like. MrPhatKatt View Public Profile Send a private message to MrPhatKatt Send email to MrPhatKatt Find all posts by MrPhatKatt Add MrPhatKatt to Your Contacts #70 05-30-2011, 02:46 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: City Of Angels via The Windy City Posts: 632

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I would also like to know why IWG does not sell their parts to most if not all watchmakers who might want to conduct repairs on them... Jon This is the biggest complaint I've heard about Invicta from watch repair people. My guess would be Invicta has so many different watch models that it's extremely difficult to keep all those parts available for resale to multiple watch repair personnel. That's only my guess, but it would be nice if Invicta allowed selected watch makers to be authorized repair centers. This could help reduce some of the negative stigma...IMO __________________

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WHOA........ Jon, I'm only pointing out this Akribos that I bought and the avatar you have appears to have the same look as this dial face on my watch. nothing more. I already commented on your OP and agreed. Had the same crap done to me. Read my post again. I'm only commenting on my watch and your avatar. gheesh..... lol Quote:

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remember the jeweler making a remark about the timepiece in question being an homage or out right copy of another brand..correct me if I am wrong.. Jon __________________ MBA1996/Chuck

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A nice "looking" timepiece, does not mean "well made" timepiece. Invicta does NOT move product on a retail level. Invicta moves a majority of its product through online and television media, making it a TV brand. There's no way around that. If they didn't have product displayed on a retail level, they would have no basis for their MSRP. Even at Tourneau, they are always deeply discounted. If you don't believe me, call one or go in. Understandably, most won't, because they don't want to hear the music. I too was that type when I first started collecting. Most of them had more personal value, than any real resale or retail value. With that being said, watch collecting is a personal preference. Like what you like, but never assume that because something is heavier and comes in 300 colors, it's better than B&M brands. MedicineMan View Public Profile Send a private message to MedicineMan Send email to MedicineMan Find all posts by MedicineMan Add MedicineMan to Your Contacts

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Originally Posted by Horolgist232 Walked into one place to get a battery changed on an Older Pro Diver I had. The guy was Oh Invicta this and that. I was wearing My Venom at the time. So I took it off handed it to him and said heavy huh? he said yes. I said ok Tell me what watch you have thats built that Heavy is 500 meters Water resistant and I can get it for around 300 bux. He got real quiet real fast. A venom is rated at 1000 meters water resistance. A red brick is rated at 2500 meters water resistance. It must be better. Lol MedicineMan View Public Profile Send a private message to MedicineMan Send email to MedicineMan Find all posts by MedicineMan Add MedicineMan to Your Contacts #74 05-30-2011, 05:54 AM Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,666 Real Name: Tony

CHUCK WAGON Super Geek

Regardless of whether there was any truth to what he was saying he shoulda just shut his pie hole, sized your watch and let you be on your way. Fact is that Invicta sometimes garners well deserved negative opinions, the are so many of them that there is sometimes problems. We read about it everyday. As a retailer, customer service should be his goal, not his misguided opinons...... CHUCK WAGON View Public Profile Send a private message to CHUCK WAGON Find all posts by CHUCK WAGON Add CHUCK WAGON to Your Contacts #75 05-30-2011, 06:09 AM

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LOL - and that's why I get the poly/rubber straps...then I don't have to deal with fools at watch shops/jewelers who bad-mouth Invicta. I love my Invictas and don't give a damn about what other people think! P.S. maybe one day I'll learn to size a watch; too fearful of scratching or gouging the heck out of a bracelet ;-) #76 05-30-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CHUCK WAGON Regardless of whether there was any truth to what he was saying he shoulda just shut his pie hole, sized your watch and let you be on your way. Fact is that Invicta sometimes garners well deserved negative opinions, the are so many of them that there is sometimes problems. We read about it everyday. As a retailer, customer service should be his goal, not his misguided opinons...... You7re 100% right Tony. Service peoploe need to do their job and not render unsolicited negative personal opinions.Yes, any product that is defective may deserve a negative opinion but before indicting invicta as being especially problematic one would have to know the total number of pieces the company sells per yr and then strike a percentage of defects and see if its really a problem or not. As a private business invicta doesnt have to publish exact sales figures and since ive never personaly had any problems with my invictas im happy with the brand. hitch View Public Profile Send a private message to hitch Send email to hitch Find all posts by hitch Add hitch to Your Contacts #77 05-30-2011, 07:34 AM Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,648

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Buy a $8 sizing kit on line and do it yourself. Everyone on this forum should expect some grief when bringing an Invicta in for sizing/service at mall shops/jewelers. It's not just the watch brand. It's the fact that you didn't buy the watch from them and you don't look like a future watch customer to them. They want to sell watches not band adjustments. Try taking

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a great thread, thats life, purchase and wear what you like. Some of us buy watches for the watch not just the swiss glamour. peace out! __________________ We all need a good camel. Jim3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Jim3 Find all posts by Jim3 Add Jim3 to Your Contacts #79 05-30-2011, 08:00 AM Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ct Posts: 304 Real Name: Tom

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I thought I heard Invicta sold to 3000+ retail outlets. I'd of told him , if I wanted your opinion I'd ask for it...... If I thought you had a better watch here I'd would have asked about them. ....or reached across the counter.

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Ive noticed a lot of stores are haters. If they sell watches that cost more than the one your wearing.( Invicta drives watch prices down because they do sell a nice watch at a much cheaper than most.) I had the same problem at a Ball Dealer ,was looking at a watch,he said Ball was the only watch with tubes. I replied no. Deep Blue has tubes in their watches.The man said the jury is still out on Deep Blue.I asked if the watch he was showing me was t100 and he said NO T25,ANYWAY I WASNT THERE TO COMPARE DEEP BLUE TO BALL I WAS THERE TO LOOK AT BUYING A BALL BECAUSE IT HAD A 7751 MOVMT AND I LIKED IT.The funny part is they sell Ball. Tissot ,and a few other high end watches.They havnt sold many since ive been going in there.When I was leaving his wife asked me what I thought of Invict. I told her it all depends on what you pay for. A week later I took my reserve pro diver up there with the meterorite dial ,she loved it LOL,she asked me how much it was. I told her about half as much as your cheapest watch LOL.I think all their watches are on clearance now. __________________

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MedicineMan Member Geek

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Well, there is a broad spectrum within the term "Swiss". There is a big difference between "barely Swiss made" and "fully Swiss made". With that being said, you either buy a watch for 2 reasons. The look of the timepiece or the ingenuity put into the mechanicals. Rarely, it's both. In any collectable genre, you'll always have snobs. But, it always works both ways. Those having more valuable pieces thinking they are higher, and those thinking they got the same quality for 200.00. Hey, if your proud of your pieces, be proud, no matter the cost.

But, you get what you pay for...hands down. MedicineMan View Public Profile Send a private message to MedicineMan Send email to MedicineMan Find all posts by MedicineMan Add MedicineMan to Your Contacts #82 05-30-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ziggy10 I thought I heard Invicta sold to 3000+ retail outlets. I'd of told him , if I wanted your opinion I'd ask for it...... If I thought you had a better watch here I'd would have asked about them. ....or reached across the counter. They may have that price tag, but nothing in their catalog would command that in retail. MedicineMan View Public Profile Send a private message to MedicineMan Send email to MedicineMan Find all posts by MedicineMan Add MedicineMan to Your Contacts #83 05-30-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by meijin I wish you would have asked him when, exactly, it was that Invicta only made automatics. That one is new to me. Also would have like to ask him what material that was was made out of (since it wasn't actual ceramic) that won't scratch. It is hard to come up with material that you can run a piece of stainless steel across many times and not scratch it. I would of asked more questions...I honestly didn't know much about Invicta's earlier history. Apparently neither did this Yahoo! What would of been the 'worlds funniest Video' if

you would of been in my place . I have no doubt about the quality of the Mobula. I'm already thinking it should be a 'Reserve' with a quartz version of the 8040N./SW500 for the auto version. __________________

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HatTrick Junior Member New Geek

Funny thing, i have $10.00 watches and I have $5,000.00 dollar watches, they all have two things in common. I bought each one because i loved it and they all tell time. I never had anyone be rude but a ruined link can ruin a day. size all my own now lol __________________

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Originally Posted by ABILENE I just don't understand this. I can see the loss of business aspect, but beyond that, why so much hate? Mom and Pops can sell Invictas, right? Maybe it's the price, blowin their margins...

You hit the nail on the head. They're complaining because they've had their butts handed to them over profit margins. Brick and mortar shops CANNOT compete like they used to. It's time to change their way of thinking or get out of the business. Too many people have come to their senses and are no longer willing to spend $6000 on a watch. __________________

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I can understand a watch repair shop not liking working on Invicta because they can't get parts, but to put down the watch when someone's coming in for a brarcelet sizing? That makes no sense. If they are sizing an Invicta, Rolex, Breitling, Timex, Casio, Seiko, Omega or any other watch...it's just sizing the bracelet! What difference should it make who made or sold it. I don't go into my watch guy for a battery change and then start insulting all of the god-awful looking watches in his case (just making a point. My guy actually sells some very nice looking watches) It's a simple job of sizing a watch. Just shut up, size my watch, take my money and say "Thanks for your business. Come again." __________________

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sandyglover Senior Geek

there is no substitute for graceousness. i have been in retail and the last thing you do is to knock another product to customers. it makes you look small and desperate. invicta can make a product that is above other brands for less money for several reasons that most of us already know. be proud of your invicta purchases and wear them like a rock star.

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Originally Posted by da40kay you know what the problem is that your watch is better than anything in his shop and he knows it i do my own sizing but for two or three months i would take every watch to him and have him do the work but thats just me stuff like that makes me happy you dont take your car to get there opinion on how the like it its to fix it and they keep there thoughts to them self Whew! That was one loooooooooong sentence! I was outta breath readin' it! rjaybass View Public Profile Send a private message to rjaybass Send email to rjaybass Find all posts by rjaybass Add rjaybass to Your Contacts #89 05-30-2011, 03:19 PM

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I've been cross grain with the Invicta outlook a number of times but I'm 100% with Chief this time. Rude and arrogant doesn't put bacon in the kettle. The guy is operating at cross-purposes to his goals. This has, at certain points in history, been taken as prima facie evidence of insanity. If his goal was to get you to reevaluate your thoughts on large watches he failed. If his goal was to get more money out of you he failed. Sometimes, people mystify me.

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Other than JCPenny, Tourneau, TJMAXX, Costco and Sams Club..Can anyone in watchgeek land tell me where else Invicta timepieces are sold...TV may not be the main venue for Invicta but its still a lucrative venue none the less...I have no doubts about IWG recognition and worldwide appeal as a brand not to mention the revenue that it generates through a very wide market share...If its true that Invicta timepieces are sold worldwide to 3K plus outlets than can anyone list what those stores are other than the ones that I mentioned..Authorized dealers and repair services if any.. Just curious I bought my very first Invicta from TJMAXX, an Ocean Ghost, and fell in love with brand ever since Jon Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggy10

I thought I heard Invicta sold to 3000+ retail outlets.

I'd of told him , if I wanted your opinion I'd ask for it...... If I thought you had a better watch here I'd would have asked about them. ....or reached across the counter. __________________

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Originally Posted by MedicineMan They may have that price tag, but nothing in their catalog would command that in retail. HUH? I'm lost? What price tag. ........I never mentioned anything about prices. I am pretty sure that Micheal's cohort Jill said 3000 retail stores sold Invicta and she services them. Maybe I miss heard her? ziggy10 View Public Profile

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Invicta

[quote=ziggy10;2548647]HUH? I'm lost? What price tag. ........I never mentioned anything about prices. I am pretty sure that Micheal's cohort Jill said 3000 retail stores sold Invicta and she services them. Maybe I miss heard her? I think one woman servicing 3000 retail stores would be a tough task. Unless they weren't moving product. Invicta is not put into a retail environment to sell. They are put there to establish a retail value, or MSRP. Nobody buys them at these prices. This is WHY a lot of jewelers and watch boutiques don't sell, because they won't move at a comparable price point. I personally have a good relationship with my local tourneau associates, including their onsite gurus. They only move Invicta on deep discount. It's proof from the horses mouth, not hate. Invicta makes a nice looking watch, but, they are more visual attention getters. Essentially, people think you paid more than you really did for it. But they do NOT compare to premium or super high end watchmakers. Shopnbc usually sells a little pricey, but offers payments, which tips the scales for most that have limited weekly income. Other than that, virtually all other Invicta sales, in this country, are through outlet sales. It's a proven fact. Others like JcPenney are all on discount...always. I have higher end invictas that I cherish, but I live in reality. Reality that it took me quite a while to realize. "you get what you pay for". MedicineMan View Public Profile Send a private message to MedicineMan Send email to MedicineMan Find all posts by MedicineMan Add MedicineMan to Your Contacts #93 05-30-2011, 05:38 PM

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Our local dealers want the business!

I would not be going back to any jewelry store or shop that treated me that way. Besides, I know how to handle that type of behavior! My local trusted jeweler does not operate that way. In fact, he has never even charged me to size any watch of mine. I do all my own

sizing now, and prefer not to ask him again, unless I have one I feel uncomfortable doing. He will not take money from me for sizing, even if I offer to pay. Of course, I buy other jewelry, watch straps and bands, etc., and other items from his store. I also use them for minor watch repair and some battery replacements. This is a Mom and Pop operation that has been in business more than 60 years. They sell Seiko, Citizen, and a few other lines. He always admires my watches, and gladly works on them if I ask. I may even buy one of these lines one day, if he will give me more than the customary 25% off retail. Anyway, with customer service like this, It's easy to understand why they have been in business more than six decades! There is one store in the local mall that sometimes has a few Invictas for sale, but the prices don't even approach what we get from the Shop or WOW. In fact, their clerks always ogle mine and wish they could sell some more styles like the ones I wear. All our jewelers locally, handle other makers' watches like they really want your business, no matter where the timepiece came from. That's the way it should be. __________________

CHALLENGER Bill from Florida, USA

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Invicta pricing

Jon, Just curious...did you get a decent deal from TJ Maxx on your Ocean Ghost? Our local TJM has a few Invictas, but the prices don't seem all that great. The jewelry department manager did, however, hint that she might discount a little more than the listed prices. __________________

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Originally Posted by rjgawriluk@ameritech.net Buy a $8 sizing kit on line and do it yourself. Everyone on this forum should expect some grief when bringing an Invicta in for sizing/service at mall shops/jewelers. It's not just the watch brand. It's the fact that you didn't buy the watch from them and you don't look like a future watch customer to them. They want to sell watches not band adjustments. Try taking your Ford into BMW and ask them to put air in your tires. You may not get abused but politely asked to take it to a gas station. Have you also noticed that most gas stations don't have air nowdays? Or, if they do, there's a charge for a dinky compressor unit that may not even be in service...or some jerk has cut off the air hose nozzle. __________________

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philster Senior Geek

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You did great TW! I have people ask me all the time about my Invictas. They just look at the watch and ask what it is. They say "Invicta". And I say yes, I love their reserve line (Ha! Ha!). I had a gentleman from Neiman Marcus say how beautiful my Black IP SAS with the titanium MOP was. He had to ask what brand and was facinated. He is a very upscale and in the know gentleman. I felt very proud. I love my watches. Regardless, I buy what I like and what I think looks good for me. Keep up the good work! philster View Public Profile Send a private message to philster Find all posts by philster Add philster to Your Contacts #97 Yesterday, 06:07 AM

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In general, when you bring in a watch for a one time sizing the brick and mortar is getting the crumbs. They would have rather sold you the piece in the first place and then size it at no charge. Some stores are more vocal than others. __________________

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Calvin Senior Geek

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Of course, why spend money on something that might convenience your customers? It seems Invicta would rather just tell me how easy it is to size my own watch, then point and laugh when I have trouble doing it. Invicta is becoming large enough, perhaps they can invest in brick-and-mortar stores or service centers. TV brand??? I sure when Bill Gates was in the garage making computers IBM called his computers " cheap knock off of the real thing". Competition brings out the true character of people. Calvin View Public Profile Send a private message to Calvin Find all posts by Calvin Add Calvin to Your Contacts #99 Yesterday, 08:26 AM Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Humble, TX Posts: 3,082 Real Name: Larry

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The "mom and pop" stores are doing themselves a diservice by not setting up store fronts on the web where they sell and / or advertise their products or services...no matter what type of business. Just like in the mid 1980's when the personal computer first came out...so many businesses thought they could continue to do business the old fashion way...with ledgers and typewriters. They were wrong....and now.... no business that I know of doesn't do all their accounting and day to day business on a computer. Why they continue to shy away from online sales is a mystery to me. Why not carry and service products which are popular and are big sellers??? It's just an act of stubborness and not being eductated well enough. If I owned a brick and mortar jewelery store....I would make sure I carried some of the same watches that are popular...Invicta, Croton, Swiss Legend, Stuhrling Original, Seiko, Casio and along with some high end

brands for the customer that wants a higher end watch. Sure...prices wouldn't be the same...but if you service the watch....say offer free sizing when you buy the watch....discounted watch repair service....free watch check ups every year for automatics and other perks for buying your watch from them...well....you create that added extra value that the customer will get for buying their watch from you. It's not hard to adapt to change if you have a passion for your business....as a matter of fact....if you are not changing and growing your business all the time....there is only one way your business is going to go...into the tank...belly up...bankrupt!!! Oh...BTW....the local jeweler that sizes my difficult to size Invicta's carries Invicta and does quite well with them. His prices are a little higher than the Sam's Club across the street.....but he offers free sizing...and if he doesn't have a watch in stock...he can order it and gets them in within two weeks. I don't know about you...but I have waited nearly 2 weeks for a watch from Shopnbc before....so this really isn't that bad. At Sam's....if they don't have what you are looking for...oh well. __________________

Larry in Humble, Tx

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Tmoran

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I always find it funny when people say that something isnt something because of the sound it makes when you tap it. Sapphire crystals have Ting and mineral has a tang. this or that. These dopes dont realize that its not just the material but the shape, thickness and any dampening by the materials holding it together that will have an effect on its sound. Just like the water test for sapphire crystals It is a myth and is not a fool proof test. California is weird as when I went to gurnee mills mall and even another mall near to my house the majority of all the dealers had invicta in the cases. And I mean everyone. There wasnt one high end jewelry shop I walked into that didnt have an invicta section. They had em right next to their Tags and and Omegas. It was also the first brand recommended to me for what to get when told I wanted something nice on a budget. Come to illinois. The hating is much less in these parts. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,619 Real Name: Rob

TM Maker Super Geek

This is a very foolish way for these retailers to treat customers especially in this economy. They need all of the business they can handle. They are complete and utter idiots for alienating we Invicta owners. Screw them! TM Maker View Public Profile Send a private message to TM Maker Find all posts by TM Maker Add TM Maker to Your Contacts #102 Today, 12:16 PM

Boboy

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Interesting to see some of the recent threads regarding jewelers disdain for people buying watches off TV or what they consider cheap brands. I tend to dismiss their opinion for one reason, they can't compete. I remember when Ebay started hitting it big in the late 90's, hearing a similar thing from all the sports card dealers. The brick and mortar dealers simply could not compete with the

internet sales and most of them are now out of business for that reason. Any jeweler that disparages your purchases is making a big mistake. They continue to have their finger in the dike and the whole city has already flooded. If these guys want to stay in business their only hope is to service watches. The problem is very many jewelers are not good at servicing watches and make their money off sales. Boboy View Public Profile Send a private message to Boboy Find all posts by Boboy Add Boboy to Your Contacts #103 Today, 12:53 PM

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Again, when you work for the public, you must not dog other competitors. It will bite you! This hater didn't accomplish one thing, except make an ass out of himself and from what it sounds like, he didn't have to exert too much effort. I'm assuming he practices on this often. Maybe he is independently wealthy and just does not need the business. Not!!!! A good business person does not have to knock other competitors down to make a sale. Unfortunately, this seems to be a tactic used by many. For me, it's a red flag saying,"stay away from me because I really dont know what in the HELL I'm talking about. Invictaholic View Public Profile Send a private message to Invictaholic Find all posts by Invictaholic Add Invictaholic to Your Contacts #104 Today, 01:35 PM

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Speaking from experience from working in and then owning a small "mom and pop"retail store selling bicycles for 25 yrs, These guys and gals at jewely stores that are haters JUST DON'T GET IT! There is nothing you can do about the sale you already lost...but you can do something about the possible future sale. When we had customers come in beaming with their recent mail order purchase for us to assemble, fix or just to show it off. Who were we to criticize their purchase. I never like losing a sale but I would be devastated to lose a

customer. I would take every opportunity to appreciate that they made a choice to come into my door, giving me the opportunity to make them "my customer". These jewelers should be taking the time to let you know about all that they can do to keep your watches running well and how convenient, professional and expert they are. If this was done I am sure we would all return to have our "TV Brands" serviced/cleaned, adjusted, sized. What a lot of these haters are missing is that there is way more margin in services than in selling watches. If you didn't get us for the watch then get us for the service. You never know we just might get a watch or other jewelry from them some day. Unfortunately for these haters they will never really know what business that the simple sizing of a watch might garner. Most of these Haters will go by the way of the Dodo soon enough, and they will close their doors all the while blaming us for their demise. LIKE I SAID, THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. Mark zzz __________________

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brimsauce Senior Geek

Whenever I go to a jeweler, they always comment on how nice my watch it. I'm guessing they are partly saying that becuase they want my business, but you can tell others genuinely love my watches...especially the Arsenal and venoms I have. I really love Invictas. I never seem to get tired of new designs etc,...so it unnerves me a little to hear these stories. And there seems to be a lot of them. WHY do they hate Invicta? brimsauce View Public Profile Send a private message to brimsauce Find all posts by brimsauce

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It comes down to avoiding the need to go somewhere to size your watch. I've said this before but I think there can be great innovation and invention in regards to resizing a watch. I think Invicta is a great company to possibly research in making sizing a watch something anyone can do themselves by either including a tool with each watch or in the design of the bracelet. I realize Invicta makes many watches that have included tools for sizing or changing bracelets. Things like the quick pin strap change, allen wrench style screws for strap change are great innovations as is the sea spider bracelet and numerous rubber straps. I know Invicta sells the do-it yourself set for sizing but I think there can still be some innovation in this area.