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#1 06-26-2010, 04:02 AM
Glass Half
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DD/Invicta statement out
(Hand typed - I couldn't figure out how to get Photobucket to upload a pdf. Glass Half) Via Jim Skelton: OFFICIAL STATEMENT from Chris Becker & Eyal Lalo regarding Speedway issues The official statement from both Dubois-Depraz and Invicta. To whom it may concern: A recent incident involving Invicta watches containing Dubois-Depraz movements has caused considerable reaction. Both Invicta and DD wish to clarify the situation once and for all. After a great deal of research and discussions these last two weeks, we have determined the following: 1) The DD movements contained in the Invicta Speedway models are genuine DD products. The movements were obtained legitimately. 2) There is no original manufacturing defect in the movements or modules. 3) The problems appear to have been caused on certain models where the dial placement over the movement was too low. Also, we found some models not having proper hand tolerances. Neither the dials nor the hands were manufactured by Invicta or by DuboisDepraz. The ensuing problems can and will be remedied by Invicta, the necessary part (a washer) from DD has been ordered to assist in resolving these problems. Since the manufacturing defects do not stem from DD, the repairs will not be conducted by DD, as has been reported on the net, but by Invicta. While both parties regret any confusion this may have caused, neither party can be responsible for comments made by third parties. The major point for both Invicta and DD is that the final customers themselves be satisfied with their purchases, and that they can rest
assured that the items are genuine. We are pleased to finally be able to bring an end to this matter - Invicta and DD remain committed to working together for future projects, as had already been planned prior to the recent issues arising. Sincerely, Christopher Becker Eyal Lalo Business Development Manger Americas President/CEO Dubois-Depraz SA Invicta Watch Company Glass Half View Public Profile Find all posts by Glass Half #2 06-26-2010, 04:08 AM
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"We are pleased to finally be able to bring an end to this matter" Yea right How about the BS that was dished out Ah we are working directly with DD - BS DD will inspect each movement - BS And a heck of a lot more - BS Drink the kool aid my WG friends Drink the kool aid
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Fresno View Public Profile Find all posts by Fresno #3 06-26-2010, 04:22 AM Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 930
knapplink BDWF Watch Addict
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Originally Posted by Fresno "We are pleased to finally be able to bring an end to this matter" Yea right How about the BS that was dished out Ah we are working directly with DD - BS DD will inspect each movement - BS And a heck of a lot more - BS Drink the kool aid my WG friends Drink the kool aid
I am done with this subject Indeed. That's a lack luster reply to an incredible debacle. The marketing machine will roll on... knapplink View Public Profile Find all posts by knapplink #4 06-26-2010, 04:27 AM
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Invicta got the movements from a broker, most likely excess inventory. Invicta will send the watches back to China for repair. My user name remains unchanged. no_invicta_joe View Public Profile Find all posts by no_invicta_joe #5 06-26-2010, 04:34 AM
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Let's see -In the statement today from DD & Invicta, item #1, "The movements were obtained legitimately." (Emphases mine) From Chris Becker's June 11 email to a WG, posted on WG, cc to adubois@dubois-depraz.ch & emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch: "1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been supplied to them.".... "3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen 'duplicates' of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it to." Good takedown, Chris. From today's statement, final paragraph: "... Invicta and DD remain committed to working together for future projects, as had already been planned prior to the recent issues arising." If the two companies have had only sporadic contact in the past, when did they plan future projects? There are other inconsistencies, but these jump out right away. Glass Half View Public Profile Find all posts by Glass Half #6 06-26-2010, 05:09 AM
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Why did this statement take Three weeks? I'm sure that with Invicta's reputation, DD demanded payment in CASH to make this "go away". Do you have any idea how hard it is to get that much money past customs? Besides, Eyal probably got lost on his way to Switzerland, since nobody from Invicta had ever been there before. argabright View Public Profile Find all posts by argabright #7 06-26-2010, 05:39 AM Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 930
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Originally Posted by argabright Why did this statement take Three weeks? I'm sure that with Invicta's reputation, DD demanded payment in CASH to make this "go away". Do you have any idea how hard it is to get that much money past customs? Besides, Eyal probably got lost on his way to Switzerland, since nobody from Invicta had ever been there before. Yea, this story has more HOLES in it than a slice of SWISS CHEESE!
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Originally Posted by knapplink Yea, this story has more HOLES in it than a slice of SWISS CHEESE! And each hole seems to be a black hole, nonetheless. All truths... disappearing without a trace. __________________ Marc (Nick)
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The damage has been done - to BOTH reputations. From this point forward, if I need a pretty looking quartz, Swiss Legend and WoW gets my money. If I need an inexpensive mechanical, AlphaWatchUSA gets my dough. Artemisia1 View Public Profile Find all posts by Artemisia1