JOURNEY

[JAM] Yeah, I think for me, it's similar. I mean, there are so many things I resonate with: being sociable, but never really feeling like I had my people. It was funny, even in high school, both of us were just very social around our class circles We were both soccer captains, and we had that sort of positioning in our school. There might have been people who others might have even assumed was our squad. I feel like I faked it well, and I think I did just close myself off - there was a long period of time where I felt very lonely and didn't feel like I really had close relationships. That informed how I went into college because I really wanted that to change. I was super intentional about trying to find real people that I could identify with.

I found some of my closest friends early on, which I was lucky to do, at the beginning of freshman year. In many cases, I found myself without as many people as I wanted. I was in a couple relationships, and you know how a relationship is when it ends: you're left at square one. You invested in someone and probably spent too much time with that person. You weren't branching out and meeting other people, and then it crumbles

My low point was probably the pandemic. I had just had an incredible experience on campus, and then we had to leave. I felt like the whole social circle that I was building, immediately went away. I was in a particularly tough relationship at that point where it was straining other relationships I had between me and this person. It wasn't the healthiest thing anyway, so it was just a low point. 2020 was tough, for sure, but then in 2021, we launched our company. I think it really did play a role in taking me out of this present dark moment and pushing me forward and thinking about how it's going to get so much brighter. We [Philly] came together and started talking more again. There are maybe a few years there where we were in different places. I was at school, he was at home, so maybe we weren’t in touch as much. That changed with the pandemic I came back, and we were under the same roof We started making all our plans for our music and our company, and everything started to look up. I love that point. I think there's so much purpose in everything. I do think that there was absolutely a silver lining in our own struggles.