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AUGUST l1EETING TIWRSDAY, August 2, 1984 Pf"I Room 225, Srni th Hall

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The August meeting will be a panel discussion on llBa,sic Herp Care". The panel will be made up of Bruce ]elles (lizards), lmn Porwoll (turtles), Brint Spencer (snakes), and Jim Gerholdt (amphibians). The ItCritter of the Month" will be your oldest animal, the one you have had the longest. So start figuring up those longevi ties! xxxx:x x xxxxxxxxx.xX.xxxxxx x

The July meeting was both interesting and informative. There sure are a lot of salar::anders dm·m there! J\ special thanks to John I"iorie-rty fer his proGrar.1! The attendance at th~ meetinG was 63!,,~YXXy.XXXXXXXXXX):XXZXx.xxxxxxx:xxx

have been officially contacted by the l"linnesota ~oologic8.1 Gerden in regards to making a contribution towards their new herp displays. Give this matter some serious thought. If you would like to make a special donation for this, please let Brint Spencer knew. \',;e (the board) ,·Jill be meeting on this to decide just what direction we ,.,rould like to take. vIe may buy an animal (or animals) or we may contributeetowards a particular display. \')e x.x xxxxxxxx.:x xxxxxx

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We will be "having a sale on yellow }'J}IS T-shirts at the August meeting .. The price will be ~5 00 (rather than the usual S7 800), and it will be first come, first serve This is your chance to get a real bargain8 Get there early and don't miss out!

xxxxxxxxxxxxXJcxxxxx.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxXXXXJOCxx The MRS Picnic at st 8 Paul's Como Park will be held at 11: 00 All/! on August 198 l·JIS will supply corn, watermelon, charcoal and lighter, sal t, pepper, butter, and friendly faces .. You Hill supply the beef (where is it?), beverages, and your own utensils .. For those of you notfamilar with Como Park, there are a series of pay amusement rides This might appeal to the younger set! (also :Bruce) .. He'll have last minute details at the August 2 meet:ing!



Upcomine proGrams Symposium for tbe herp! :For October IlCritter" will be

that \"e have planned are a debriefing on the Annual Reptile September meetinG .. The "Critter tl will be your least favorite we vJill have a panel discussion on captive breeding .. ~he neonates of 19848


HELP 'vJe need volunteers to help with the l·:ES state Pair display this year8 We need

some animals, but mostly we need people to help clean the displays" Please!!! If you are interested (this includes free passes) contact Dan Keyler at 8663082 II John lloriarty at 781-6732, or Ted Schave at 835-6001 /If


The raffle at the July rneetine netted MRS (I'll let you know next ~onth)o The item was a new T\oJin Cities Reptiles T'-shirt donated by the same .. Thanks to TCR! For the August J11eetine we have a nice large (3' IX 2' x 2') cage" ':'his will go well wi th the basic cC}.re format for the meeting" XY..XXXXXX.XXXX.xY.TY..X.X.XXXXX.xXXXX:x.XX.xXXX:XXX)~:XXXXXX.xXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.XXXXXXx.zxxxxxxx.xxxx

Pc very special thcmks to Ted Schave fo:;" the really nice photo disp18:'l he had at

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CENTER Hennepin County Medical Center 701 Park Avenue Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415

612/347-3144 (Office) 612/347-3141 (Emergency Number)

The first rattlesnake bite of the has occurred& On June 22, a 28 old man was bitten by a Timber ttlesnake in Worthington, Minnesota. This gentleman was a supposed "sna catcher", and he catches the snakes and skins them. He had collected this particular specimen over ong the Mississippi river early in the day_ At approximately seven oUclock in the evening he was in his hometown of Worthington showing the snake to some ends when it turned and bit him the base of the ght thumb. Fortunately, sight to the hospital and arrived in the room within of being bitten. He had pl a wide constri nd on his rm, and had not tri suction. Initi ly there was some oozing the wound with mild swelling. Antivenom was not immediately available so it was sent in from Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Five vials of the pol ent antivenom were given within 2 hours of the bi . A second five vi s were administered 2 hours 1 The swelling progressed to just above the elbow with moderate subcutaneous hemorrhaging evident: The patient complained of severe pain, but otherwise was all right. No necrotic tissue developed, nor did infection of any kind. The patient remained in the intensive care unit of the hospital until June 26, at which time he was sent home. From the medical course of events this patient was considered to have received a mild bite. One final point 1s the unfortuna fact that this person is going around killing our Minnesota Rattlesnakes, and their population may not be 1 that ble. Perhaps, this individual will give up his "snake catching career"and move on to more glorious endeavors. However, a more severe bite may have seemed more "just" from the Rattlesnakels pOint of view ... &

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Bruce Delles Fran Frisch Ann Po:vwoll Sally Brewer Jim Gerholdt Bill Allen Liz :Bosman Del Jones Brint Spencer

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a Serious Problem in Amateur Herpetology? by Bruce Cutler

In the February 1984 issue of the }~innesota Herpetological Society Newsletter, Gary Casper had an article on the problems of artificial intergrades and hybrid snakes. There are several aspects to this situat~on, and I do not believe that the problem is as severe as Casper portrays it.

The first concern is the intentional reintroduction of specimens into the wild, preswnably to augment natural popUlations. As Gary pointed out in his article, to do this properly one needs individual animals derived from known populations, not just named species or subspecies. The vast majority of specimens in amateur hands in captivity cannot meet this criterion, unless it is from a taxon with such limited distribution that it forms a single population. The records have simply not been kept, or specimens within the taxon have purposely been outcrossed among different populations to avoid effects of inbreeding. The problem of accidental release is possible under any CircUmstance, and will cause the same problem as hybrid release. For example, an escaped Louisiana milksnake (Lam)rOEeltis triangulum amaura) in the range of the Utah milksnake (1e t. taylori poses the same hybrid hazard as the release of any hybrid 1. triangulum in the range of ~. t taylori. Logically, a drastic solution t~the problem of accidental release s to forbid the possession of any possible hybridizing su~species (or species in some cases) not native to where the breeder or collector is living! One controlling factor is the price of most individuals of the more frequently bred taxa. If I have a ~~50.00 animal" you can be certain I will keep a close watch on it, let alone a $200.00 animal. Very few of these animals escape into the wild. Further, the massive amounts of the native gene pool will, in most cases, swamp the effects of the rare accidental release. 'l;he second point is whether most captive propogation programs have the goal of eventual reintroduction of the taxon to the wild. While this goal is most commendable, the fact remains that most captive snake populations are maintained not for that purpose, but for various other motives. This appliee to amateurs, dealers, and zoo keepers. You rJight get lip service as to motives, but the offspring of most captive herptiles will see the wild about as f~equently as the labo~atory derived mouse strains we feed them (probably less frequently). ~hose animals destLDed for release usually result from programs specifically for that purpose, not the general breeding programs which produce most animals. Cross breeding abundant taxa in captivity poses little threat to any population, and the Elaphe and Lampropeltis hybrids of nonthreatened taxa, for the most parte There is a strong pet keeping element in amateur herpetology. Personally, I would rather see a hybrid purchased as a "ShO"lOff" animal, than an equally attractive animal removed from the wild. These specimens do have a function in the pet trade. There are several criteria that must be emphasized, and are part of the responsibilities of those keeping all animals, pet or research .. No animal should be released into foreizYl habitat, hybrid 'or note }!i1dangered or threatened taxa should

not be hybridized, but one can argue validly that only those with adequate scientific and conservation background should be working with endangered taxa. ~he accuracy of labeling of any specimen is a factor to be considered alsoe vJ1ile accidental mislabelingc of specimens are possible, but should not be condoned, purposeful mislabeling should be severely condemnede Deceitful individuals should be warned, and all dealings with them refused. r.'!ost legislation aimed at preventing herptile keeping is primarily by.l(!)cal ordinance, and based ron fear and ignorance, not out of concern for genetic purity. Federal legislation has been concerned mostly with endangered or supposedly endangered species, not hybrids of non-threatened species. In one case a supposed public health issue was at stake, the baby turtle-Salmonella connection. If the pet trade wants a red, white and blue striped on a green and orange plaid milksnake, they can have it@ It probably will take the pressure off some of the native populations@ As long as the specimen is properly labeled for what it is, there is probably no hazard. The important part is the responsibility of ~he animal keeper, scientific or amateur. ~ake certain you can properly care for what you keep, under no circumstances release animals from one population into a different native population, and avoid dealing with deceitful individualse r









A slight change in plans was tried for this trip. We left on Friday night from the Gerholdt's rather than Saturday morming. After an uneventful trip down, caffip was made at Camden State Park, and all got a good night's sleep. This worked out much better than leaving on Saturday! Satmrday night was spent at Blue Mounds state Park. PiLB.TICIPANTS


Pam, Matt, and Ben Gerholdt

American Toad

Del Jones

Chorus Frog

John and Denise Neltzer

Northern Leopard Frog

John IVloriarty

Tadpole of Rana sp.

Ann Forwoll

Red-Bellied Snake

Paul Spencer

Red-Sided Garter Snake

Siah st.. Clair

Lined Snake


Northern Prairie Skink Snapping Turtle painted Turtle The next (and final) trip will be September 23 and 24. Anyune interested in going should contaot John Moriarty at 612-781-6732. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXJOCXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx.xXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxx

The refreshments at the July meeting were supplied by Pat and Dee Dee Encinosa. A special thanks from }ll{S! XXXXXJ{XXXXXXJ:.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxXJCXxxxx

1/1/e have just added a new and valuable book to our rillS IJi brary! It wi th I'lHS funds and is: The Bacterial Diseases of Reptiles by Richard Ross Tr1is is a super book, so be sure and check it over!




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\\fe were able to find homes for several hapless herps at the July meeting0 rr'he luck;y animals included a 4~' male Common Boa, an 8' female Burmese Python, a nice male intergrade python, and a Banded YJater Snake. Thanks to those who gave "happy homes" to these "hapless herps"! As of right now, we don't have anything lined up for the August meeting, but this will likely change (as always)! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]{x:x.xXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXJ{XXXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Herp JIints Egg binding seems to be a problem this year. month Jim Gerholdt reported on hi2, 19 ye&r plus captive C~:lifornia Kingsnake being ege bou..YJ.c., and this month Larry yank had a }ox Shake with the sarr:8 problem. He took it to a local veterinarian and had 6 eggs removed.. The snake was "knoeked out" and the eggs were removed via the cloaca. ]ialation of the anal region with forceps was used. The causes of this were discussed. Some thoughts were age and lack of exercise. Of course if there is something amiss wcilth the reproductive tract, the snake will have problems the first time around, and possibly die. Do any of you out there in Iv]{S land have any thoughts on this? Pam Gerholdt showed a young American 'lload that was tmtally missing the left paratoid gland, likely from a wound. Bruce Cutler mentioned that a fly can cause problems like this by laying its eggs in the host animal, and then the larva does the damage .. B:Lrney Cldfield related how 3 Pickerel Frogs had killed each other by their secretions when put tdg~therin the same collecting container. The literature points out that the secretions are dangerous to other animals, but not to each other! He also mentioned that their habitat in Houston Co .. is different then expected" A Nerodia he had-collected regurgitated a fish, an(i then ate it again when placed in a bag vIi th i t Only a v!8 ter snake! <>'XXXXX~XJ{XXXXy'XXXXXXXX:XXX.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xXXXXXXXXX.XX)~xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Phantastic Phenological Phinds Bruce Cutler and Bob Simonet June 21, 1984-still water Township, T30N, H20W, s. 2, Nl.:¡2, Vlashington Co. Northern Prairie Skink (Eumeces s. septentrionalis). 1 under debris railroad right of way. June 21, 1984-1-~ mile S@ of ]\';arine-on-St. Croix, T31N, R19W, s. 18, Washington Co. Toad (Bufo americanus) hipping on lawn. Bruce and ]vlatt Cutler July 2, 1984-Elk River Township, rJ.133N, R26\v, S. 18, Sherburne Co. Northern Prairie Skink (Eumeces s. septentrionalis). Several under boards in sand prairie" July 2, 1984-Blk River Township, T33N, R26w, s. 17, Sherburne Co. Amf!'rican Toad (Bufo americanus) 2. Spring Peeper (F..yla crucifer) Chorus Frog (Pseudacris triseriata) numerous. At edge of, and in vicinity of bog remnant. July 2 , 1984-0rrock Township, T34N, R2?,vJ, s. 21, Sherburne Co .. Am~rican Toad (Bufo americanus) 1 at edge of small pool .. July 2, 1984-Big Lake Township, T33N, R27W, s. 14, Sherburne Co. Western Painted Turtle (Chrysemys picta belli) crossin~ Hiway 15. Bob Duerr and Barney Oldfield June 30, 1984-T62N, R11 \.;, Lake Co â&#x20AC;˘ .American Toad (Bufo americanus) Grey Tree Frog (}trla versicolor) Green Frog (Rana clamitans melanota) VIood Frog (Rana sylvatica) Common Garter Snake (Thamnophis sirtalis) June 30, 1984-T63N, R11\\, Lake Co. vJestern Painted Turtle (Chrysemys picta belli) Jim Gerholdt July 1, 1984-1 mile east of Webster, Rice Co. Northern Prairie Skink (Eumeces s. septentrionalis) female brooding 8 eggs under a rock at an abandoned gravel pit" Fam Gerholdt July 5, 1984-Webster, Rice Co .. American Toad (Bufo americanus) nevJly metamorphed .. Laren Crikstas June 15, 1984-approx .. 2 miles east of Barnum, near Little Eangin Horn Lake, Carlton Co .. Bl ue Spotted Salamander (AmbystonJa laterale) found under a pile of rotten wood, mostly Aspen, approx .. 200 yards uphill from the nearest water source. Appeared to be eating the slugs that were in the wood pile .. John Jesmer ..TUJ1e 23, 1984-Ridgemont !\ve" and Parkers Lake Road., Plymouth .. \':estern Fainted Turtle (Chrysemys picta belli) on drive'>Jay, moribund .. J1.1De 2/;, 1984-County Road 16 and Hanson Blvd., Andover .. /both adult females \'.'estel'n }-ainted Turtle (Chrysernys picta. belli) rescued from traffic" June 2Lj 1984-overcrown dirt road leadinG to hound Lake, Andover .. 1 (',

'vlestern Painted Ttrrtle (Chrysemys picta belli) headed uphill. Adult female" 1984-Bunker Hills. Red Bellied Snake (Storeria occipitomaculata) under rusrty tin can deep into 6" erass cover", 10"" Opaque e June 24, 1984-14597 Guarani Ave .. , Andover .. Western Hognose Snake (Heterodon nasicus) in front of bay window. 22" female. Dropped 5 infertile egg masses" June 23, 1984-Carver Park, near Nature Center. American Toad (Bufo ameriaanus) on wood shavings path .. 1~路" juvenile female. June 16, 1984-Baker Park", Western Plains Garter Snake (Thamnophi s radix. haydeni) on board walk. 20" ca. I'-'iay 201/路 1984-Bunker Lake, Bunker Park" Western Plains Garter Snake (rrhamnophis radix haydeni) on s",Iampy side of lake. 20"" July 5, 1984-Bunker Park. Plains Bognose Snake (Heterodon De nasicus). 21" female .. 10:30 ArYl, 73 degreees .. July 5, 1984-Holdsfeld \I!ood. Amerioan Toad (Bufo americanus) 1" July 5, 1984-1ffidover. Northern Prairie Skink (Eumeces s. septentridnalis) 5 5" under ER ties" June


Del Jones June 24, 1984-T5 2 N, T{23\路j, s e 27, Aitkin Co .. Eastern Garter Snake (Thamnophis s'" snrtalis) DORe June 24, 1984-T5211, R23 \1, s.. 25 1/ Aitkin Co. Northlf'rn Leopard F>2..'og (Rana p .. pd.-piens) June 241/ 1984-T50N, R2Y,./, s e 27, Ai tkin Co American Toad (B~fo americanus) June 24, 1984-T50lT, R2 3 \'/, s 27 , Aitkin Co .. Blue Spotted Salamander (Ambystoma laterale) June 24, 1984-T50N, R23\\r, s. 26, 11itkin Co .. Western Painted Turtle (Chrysemys picta belli) June 24, 19@4-T50n if R22'vi, s" 7, Aitkin Co. lUnk frog (Rana septentrionalis) ]NR records indicate that all the above species are county records for Aitkin County", The specimens will be deposited in the Bell J.iuseum. Del Jones iii


Earney Cldfield Ju.Yle 4, 198~-S:~'Q2, BE), Caledonia ~"cwnship, Bouston Co" G::!::'ey ':2ree Frog (Eylo. versicolor) June 5, 1984-S'102, P. 4, Crooked Creek ~ownship, Houston Co. Erey ~ree FTOg (HyJ..a versicolor) June 5, 198~-T101, R~, Jefferson ~O\"nship, Houston Co. Bullfrog (RanG, catesbeiana) June 5, 1984-'1'102, R 5, !V;.ayville Township, Houston Co. Pickerel };roG (Rena palustris) June 20, 1984-rr111, E 14, Belvedere Township, Goodhue Co", S'rlapping Turtle (Cnclydra serpentina.) 4 sighted .. June 6, 1984-T101 R 4, Jefferson J:1ownship, Houston Co .. Eap ri'urtle (C";rapte::,:ys ecographica) 6 large adul t females fOlJnd on RH tracks Jill18 15, 1984-T113, R 15, Goodhue Co. Spimy Softshell r,:w:-tle ('l'rionyx spdmiferus) several large adul ts observed baskir: c: 8.long Cc.,nr.CYl Hi ver" June 7, 198~-near B.'l.y Ci ty, V!isconsin Six-Lined R2cerunner (Cnemidophorus sexlineatus) ,juvenile. 11

June 25, 1984-':21 06N, R5\'/, RichJ1lOnd r:L'oVlDship, 'I/mona Co. Fox ::nake (Elaphe vulpina) June 5, 1984-T101, R4, Jefferson Township, Houston Co. Northern \','ater Snake (Nerodia s'" sipedon) June 4, 1984-Buffalo Co"" Wisconsin Eastern l':assasauga (Sisturus c'" catenatus) adul t found on RR tracks. June 4, 1984-11laiden Rock, w'isconsin Timber Rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus) subadult. Toni '\Tangen June 29, 1984-near Round Lake, .Andover. Hed l~ellied Snake (Storeria occipi tomaculata) 3 (10 3/8 11 found tmder small log (#1) and wood (#' s 2 &.,). June 29, 1984-near Round IJake, Andover. Plains Hogmose Snake (Hemerodon n. nasicus) 25" fem2,le ..


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WOW! I phervently phear that a few more phantastic phenological phinds would phlood the NevlSletter! Seriously, this is the way to go! Jv1any thanks to all who sent .in their phinds .. Not only are the phinds getting more numerous, but the data is, too. Check the follovling page for a field', note page from John Jesmer. If you like it, xerox some off and away you go. A special thanks to Jo1m for this! ,"

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.:x:x.xx:xx.xxxxXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXJOOOCXxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Cri truer of the J>10nth" 'we had some real nice animals at the July meeting. The theme was herps of the southeastern United states. The "Critters" brought were: Southern Copperhead (Agkistrodon c'" contortrix) Eastern 'l'iger Salamander (Ambystoma t. tigrinum) Common Snapping Turtle (Chelydra s. serpentina) Eastern Indigo Sna}:e (Drymarchon corais couperi) Corn Snake (Elaphe g. b~ttata) Grey Eat Snake (:E.laphe obS,~.t8 spiloides) Oachi ta Eap r:LUrtle (Graptemys oachi tens'lis) Barking ~ree Frog (I~la cratiosa) Grey ~lree T:rog (Hyla versicolor) Yingsnake (Lc.,Elpropel tis getulus niger) ?lorida X "::astern Yinc;sno.l:e (tarnpropel tis getulu8 floridana X gEl getulus) Dusky 'PJTfPY Rattlesnake (Sistrurus miliarius barbCDuri) Red Bellied Snake (Storeria occipitomaculata.) The se V.rere bl'ouCht by: Sue ]31J1ID Bruce Cutler Druce Delles Pran lirisch Jim Gerholdt Barney Clcifield Casey Oldfield Sherilyn Cldfield Del Jones Brint Sl')cnccr ~~()ni VanGen Larry Yill1~~ 'l'hanks to all frern ]'J~8! 12

Notes Sarina Brewer Plains Hognose Snake (Heterodon ne nasicus)-5 eggs laid 2-10, 8 eggs laid 2-12., 5 (laid 2-10) hatched 5-11 to 5-16. 8 laid 2-12 did not hatch., Temperature of incubation ranged from 78 to 84 degrees Joel Eidbo Eastern Milk snake (Lampropeltis t. triangulum)-7 eggs laid 6-25 (all infertile). These eggs were obviously bad. They were smaller and lacked the parchment white quality of good eggs. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxXXX,)..'"J{xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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each meeting we will have available our featured take-out items. FRESH FROZEN

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per dozen.

FRESH FROZEN RAT8-Jtn\T.BO SIZE-$1 @SO FRESH FROZEN RAT PUP8-$3.00 per dozen Remember, if you want rats or mice, they are available by reservation only@ You no later than 7: 00 PH on JilIST place your order with Bruce or Connie at this policy, so please Wednesday the day before the meeting@ Logistics cooperate with us. If you do try and ormer after the deadline, you will have to wait until the following month. Dontt miss o~t! ~~~~


FOR SALE: Chain YJ.ngsnake (L" g getulus)@ Female<l> 3~' .. $30 .. 00 Corn Snake (E@ g. guttata) .. "Okatee"" Captive hatched 1983. Female. 1~' $20.00 Contact Glenn Lewis at 612-454-4045 .. 0



We need raffle items! Used cages, books, herp curios, etc 0 Cun you help us? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXJOCX.XXXXXXXXXXX.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxxxxxxx

If you would like a lecttITe or demonstration with a variety of live reptiles for your school, scout group, birthday party, etc .. , give Jim Gerholdt a call at 507652-2996 1l.11 programs can be tailored to meet your needs! XXXXXXX,XXXX,XXX.x.xxxxxXJOCXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.xXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

:r'(:R SALE:: 1 1 double heterozygous Corn Snakes (E .. g" guttata)" La1e is 21 '1 , :Female is 28"0 8100,,00 for the pair 1 black albino Corn Snake (I." g .. guttata). 35" $75 00 1,,1 California Kingsnake (L g" californiae) Eeterozygous for albinismS\ aberrant pattern0 24" and 17 11 ~~1 00 00 for the pair0 0,.1 }::exican Ei1ksnake (10 t. nelsoni)0 18"0 ~;100ItOO .. lUI prices are negotiable Contact Joel bidbo at 218-728-5712



:FOR SALE: 1'']1S STICKERS" SPECIAL PRICE! 75¢ each0 They look great on binders,

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X' \~AN'TED: If you are or will be euthanizing snakes in the following families and genera, and do not want the specimens, please notify me before they will be euthanizede Specimens are needed for a study of pigment cells associated with venom glands e Any specimens in the families Crotalidae or Viperidae, the following genera in the Elapidae: Dendroaspis and Pseudechis; the follmwing genera in the Colubridae: Ahaetulla, Dryophis, Leptophis, 0!ybelis and Coniophanese Cnly interested if specimens are in the Twin Cities area Contact Bruce Cutler at 646-8318e


WANTED: Refreshments for the monthly meetings this, give Connie a call at 593-0292.

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HANTED: Books and journals in the field of Herpetologye Help build your EHS Library! Is there a book you路 lv/auld like to see in the library? PleasE let uskno\v .. XXXXXX.x x.:;rx.x.xxxxxxxxxx xxx.:x xxxxxxxxxx.x.:x.x.xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x xxx.:x XX): xxxxx xx


To experienced person or persons \vill to provide lone-term homes: 3 Three-Toed BoX Turtles ('l\errapene carolina triunguis), almost 8 years old, \Nith cage" Also 2 Grey Treefrogs (Byls SP0)" with cage Call 426-49170


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:B'OR SALE (TRADE?): 1 0 Burmese x Indian intergrade Python (p@

IT! bivittatus x p .. m molurus)& Very tame, good feeder 4~1 }'ine pet free food included El $60 .. 00 .. 1.0 Eastern Black K.:i.ngsnake (Lampropeltis getulus niger)", Very tame, good feeder& 2' & Yearling. }i'ree food included .. ~t25ElOO Contaot'Bruce or r路1att Cutler at 612646-8318& iii




Get ready for winter feeding of your small herps! starter colonies nm." available 30 you can build up stocks before cold weather rolls in" Triboliwn (J?lour beetles or "mini mealworms ll ) $2$00 Drosophila (small) and Drosophila viril is (large) ~~2 25 Food available Larger s may al So be available. contact Bruce Cutler at 612-646-8318m Instructions provided" 0










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Papers related to all aspects of ife rehabilitation a:re now being accepted for review .. Each submission should include titLe a.uthor (and coauthor), length of presentation~ and a relatively complete abstract discussing the paper's subject and rationale m Subsections for aonsideration include the breakdowns: Jviammals To focus on rearing holding first aidS' and post release Birds: \~i th subsections on al tricial, or raptorial, and post release Veterinary With papers enc to be icable and understandable for entire registration


other: To include other animal groups education fund raising etc ])eadline for abstract submission is September 1, 1984 with manuscripts, drawings and photos for inclusion in the 19@5 IToceedings due by February 1 1985.

Mail to:

Jim }?i tzpatrick

Fost Committee Chair

Carpenter st Croix Valley Nature Center 12805 st@ Croix Trail South Hastings MN 55033

1984 !

Papers for consideration are due by


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Obi tUA.ry On Harch

23, 1965, on a gra ssy hill side approximately

10 miles NV/ of }laval Air San :DieGo Co , ('aJifornia, a s:nall rock Hal:? turned ever" Under the rock HtlS a small stri-ped phase California Kine:;sntlke (J~anl1~ropel tis Getul us :~tation FliriJ,jnG~r,

californiae) 15 inches in lengtlle /18 it tried to crav</l away, it vJaS captured by It spent the first couple of months in captivity in my locker in the barracks of VJT'-114 at NAS Iv~iramar. Its diet consisted of whatever lizards I could manage to catch for it. \\'hen I \<lent home on leave that summer, I left it at the Rotary Natural Science center in Lakeside fark in Oakland until I was released from the service in AUGUst. Shortly after my release I picked it up and took it home with me" 1i ttle did I know that that snake vIas to share no fewer than 11 homes wi th me over the years. It had someho1t! picked up the of "Clyde" alone the way, even though it vias a. female 7he name stuck! me~

G'ver the years "Clyde" dined on a "lide variety of food i temsQ I:]ice i..:estern }'ence lizards, Sagebrush Lizards mice, voles, Southern AlliCa tor l,izards \';e stern Sk ink S \I deer mice, Gilbert's Skinks were all consumed 'vi th Along the \oJay, she was to place second in the annual RAEI, snake race in 1973 San Francisco" Cnly once did she la.y egGG, infertilG ones in 1976 In of 1 she was found to be seriously eggbound! Efforts to palpa te the egg out ,,,,ere unsuccessful, anlil.. surgery was performed on T'lay 30 She fed on June 13, and seemed to be doine fine .. Alas, she was found dead on June 29 Her longevity was 19 years 3 months, and 6 days" Her length at death was 48 inches@ She will be sorely missed! Jim Gerhol d t



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