Interview on Dolly: Transcript

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J:​ ​Hello​ ​everybody,​ ​my​ ​name​ ​is​ ​Jeimar​ ​Neiza,​ ​and​ ​today​ ​we​ ​are​ ​going​ ​to​ ​explain​ ​the​ ​story​ ​of Dolly​ ​Zea.​ ​We’re​ ​going​ ​to​ ​examine​ ​it​ ​through​ ​the​ ​hero’s​ ​journey.​ ​Now,​ ​I’m​ ​going​ ​to​ ​be​ ​asking​ ​her a​ ​question,​ ​or​ ​at​ ​least​ ​multiple​ ​questions,​ ​on​ ​her​ ​hero’s​ ​journey.​ ​Mainly​ ​from​ ​the​ ​call​ ​to adventure​ ​to​ ​the​ ​return,​ ​so​ ​I​ ​hope​ ​you​ ​all​ ​listen​ ​and​ ​I​ ​hope​ ​you​ ​all​ ​enjoy. J:So,​ ​mother,​ ​what​ ​you​ ​would​ ​consider​ ​you​ ​call​ ​to​ ​adventure.​ ​Was​ ​it​ ​when​ ​you​ ​were​ ​a​ ​child, when​ ​you​ ​were​ ​an​ ​adult. Dolly:​ ​When​ ​I​ ​was​ ​little? J:​ ​Yes,​ ​like​ ​in​ ​one​ ​time​ ​in​ ​your​ ​life​ ​mother.​ ​Like,​ ​what​ ​brought​ ​you​ ​to​ ​do​ ​the​ ​things​ ​you​ ​do mother? Dolly:​ ​When​ ​I​ ​was​ ​very​ ​little,​ ​I​ ​always​ ​thought​ ​I​ ​would​ ​be​ ​a​ ​person​ ​very​ ​important. J:​ ​Yes,​ ​well,​ ​tell​ ​me​ ​a​ ​specific​ ​time,​ ​a​ ​place? Dolly:​ ​I​ ​had​ ​8​ ​years​ ​old,​ ​and​ ​I​ ​my​ ​mother​ ​said​ ​I​ ​could​ ​sing. (Singing​ ​ensues) Dolly:​ ​I​ ​was​ ​very,​ ​very,​ ​very​ ​poor.​ ​I​ ​would​ ​sing​ ​that​ ​song​ ​and​ ​I​ ​was​ ​sure​ ​that​ ​one​ ​day​ ​I​ ​would have​ ​everything.​ ​Everything​ ​that​ ​I​ ​would​ ​want​ ​and​ ​more.​ ​I​ ​would​ ​help​ ​so​ ​many​ ​people.​ ​I​ ​grew up.​ ​I​ ​grew​ ​up​ ​and​ ​thought​ ​that​ ​would​ ​happen. J:​ ​This​ ​was​ ​when​ ​you​ ​were​ ​8,​ ​yes​ ​mother? Dolly:​ ​Mhm J:​ ​Was​ ​this​ ​in​ ​the​ ​summer,​ ​in​ ​the​ ​fall,​ ​in​ ​the​ ​winter. Dolly:​ ​I​ ​would​ ​remember​ ​that​ ​we​ ​had​ ​a​ ​house,​ ​and​ ​that​ ​house​ ​didn’t​ ​have​ ​a​ ​floor.​ ​And​ ​all​ ​of​ ​us. My​ ​brother,​ ​your​ ​uncle,​ ​and​ ​your​ ​aunt​ ​that​ ​died,​ ​would​ ​walk​ ​to​ ​a​ ​river​ ​with​ ​one​ ​cart.​ ​We​ ​would pull​ ​the​ ​cart​ ​with​ ​a​ ​rope,​ ​and​ ​there​ ​would​ ​be​ ​blood​ ​on​ ​our​ ​palms.​ ​We​ ​would​ ​get​ ​the​ ​clay​ ​and bricks​ ​for​ ​our​ ​house.​ ​We​ ​would​ ​build​ ​the​ ​bases​ ​for​ ​our​ ​house. J:​ ​This​ ​was​ ​when​ ​you​ ​were​ ​8,​ ​correct? Dolly:​ ​Mhm J:​ ​This​ ​was​ ​your​ ​call​ ​to​ ​adventure,​ ​yes​ ​mother? Dolly:​ ​Mhm


J:​ ​Calling​ ​you​ ​to​ ​do​ ​all​ ​these​ ​things. Dolly:​ ​Mhm.​ ​So​ ​it​ ​was​ ​that​ ​we​ ​did​ ​things​ ​extremely​ ​hard​ ​and,​ ​I​ ​would​ ​always​ ​imagen, (Singing​ ​ensues) J:​ ​Ok,​ ​mother.​ ​In​ ​that​ ​case,​ ​your​ ​adventure,​ ​your​ ​call​ ​to​ ​adventure​ ​would​ ​be​ ​that​ ​day​ ​where​ ​you you​ ​pulled​ ​those​ ​rocks,​ ​and​ ​your​ ​mother​ ​would​ ​sing​ ​to​ ​you​ ​those​ ​songs. Dolly:​ ​I​ ​would​ ​sing.​ ​She​ ​would​ ​just​ ​remind​ ​me.​ ​She​ ​would​ ​just​ ​remeber. J:Ok,​ ​but.. Dolly:​ ​I​ ​would​ ​sing,​ ​and​ ​I​ ​would​ ​remember​ ​that​ ​I​ ​was​ ​very​ ​little,​ ​without​ ​shoes.​ ​With​ ​clothes​ ​that were​ ​very​ ​poor​ ​and​ ​dirty.​ ​With​ ​my​ ​hair​ ​too​ ​long,​ ​and​ ​my​ ​face​ ​too​ ​dirty. J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother.. Dolly:​ ​I​ ​would​ ​sing. J:Ok​ ​mother​ ​so​ ​that’s​ ​your​ ​call​ ​to​ ​adventure. Dolly:​ ​Mhm J:​ ​Ok​ ​well,​ ​before​ ​I​ ​go​ ​on,​ ​do​ ​have​ ​have​ ​an​ ​supernatural​ ​aid​ ​mother?​ ​Like​ ​phantoms,​ ​or.. Dolly:​ ​No. J:No? Dolly:No. J:​ ​Nothi.. Dolly:​ ​Nothing,​ ​nothing,​ ​nothing​ ​at​ ​all. J:​ ​Everything​ ​was​ ​you. Dolly:​ ​All​ ​I​ ​had​ ​was​ ​hunger,​ ​because​ ​we​ ​didn’t​ ​have​ ​money.​ ​My​ ​mother​ ​was​ ​very​ ​sick,​ ​and​ ​I want​ ​to​ ​one​ ​day​ ​be​ ​someone​ ​important. J:​ ​Alright,​ ​then.​ ​In​ ​that​ ​case,​ ​my​ ​second​ ​question​ ​is​ ​the​ ​threshold​ ​guardian.​ ​You​ ​know,​ ​the threshold​ ​is​ ​the​ ​entering​ ​the​ ​“new​ ​world”,​ ​the​ ​“special​ ​world”.​ ​In​ ​this​ ​situation,​ ​the​ ​new​ ​world​ ​is


America.​ ​So,​ ​what​ ​was​ ​something​ ​that​ ​didn’t​ ​let​ ​you​ ​get​ ​into​ ​America.​ ​If​ ​you​ ​don’t​ ​to​ ​say​ ​much, that’s​ ​ok. Dolly:​ ​I​ ​had​ ​12​ ​years,​ ​and​ ​one​ ​day​ ​I​ ​saw​ ​on​ ​the​ ​television​ ​screen​ ​about​ ​Disney​ ​world.​ ​I​ ​said Wow.​ ​I​ ​thought​ ​that​ ​it​ ​was​ ​right,​ ​if​ ​it​ ​was​ ​real. J:​ ​So..​ ​that’s​ ​your​ ​true​ ​call​ ​to​ ​adventure,​ ​what​ ​drove​ ​you​ ​to.. Dolly:​ ​And,​ ​I​ ​had​ ​to​ ​work​ ​extremely​ ​hard,​ ​for​ ​one​ ​day,​ ​to​ ​get​ ​to​ ​America. J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother,​ ​so​ ​you​ ​would​ ​say​ ​your​ ​threshold​ ​guardian​ ​would​ ​be​ ​the​ ​money​ ​you​ ​need,​ ​as​ ​well as​ ​the​ ​education,​ ​in​ ​order​ ​to​ ​get​ ​to​ ​America.​ ​To​ ​work​ ​here,​ ​yes​ ​mother? Dolly:​ ​Yes J:​ ​Ok,​ ​so​ ​now,​ ​I​ ​would​ ​like​ ​to​ ​ask​ ​you​ ​a​ ​question.​ ​What​ ​was​ ​your​ ​threshold​ ​mother,​ ​perchance. What​ ​was​ ​your​ ​new​ ​world​ ​you​ ​came​ ​to. Dolly:​ ​When​ ​I​ ​came​ ​here​ ​with​ ​your​ ​father,​ ​we​ ​married​ ​and​ ​came​ ​here.​ ​Everything​ ​was​ ​different.​ ​I didn’t​ ​speak​ ​english,​ ​I​ ​didn’t​ ​know​ ​the​ ​system.​ ​There​ ​was​ ​always​ ​post/resources​ ​very​ ​important in​ ​Colombia,​ ​and​ ​I​ ​was​ ​an​ ​important​ ​person.​ ​But​ ​in​ ​America,​ ​we​ ​were​ ​nobodies.​ ​We​ ​had​ ​to​ ​get jobs​ ​very​ ​hard.​ ​It​ ​was​ ​very​ ​difficult,​ ​and​ ​we​ ​didn’t​ ​have​ ​children. J:​ ​So​ ​this​ ​was​ ​your​ ​threshold,​ ​as​ ​well​ ​as​ ​your​ ​challenges/temptations. Dolly:​ ​It​ ​was​ ​this​ ​was,​ ​and​ ​my​ ​husband​ ​and​ ​I​ ​work​ ​in​ ​any​ ​job​ ​we​ ​could.​ ​We​ ​cleaned,​ ​we​ ​took care​ ​of​ ​other​ ​children,​ ​we​ ​moved​ ​cars.​ ​We​ ​had​ ​many​ ​jobs​ ​for​ ​both​ ​of​ ​us​ ​to​ ​live.​ ​We​ ​didn’t​ ​have our​ ​own​ ​children.​ ​But​ ​I​ ​always​ ​prayed​ ​and​ ​prayed​ ​and​ ​prayed.​ ​My​ ​mother​ ​taught​ ​me​ ​to​ ​pray,​ ​as well​ ​as​ ​my​ ​grandmother​ ​when​ ​I​ ​was​ ​young. J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother,​ ​so​ ​I​ ​need​ ​to​ ​ask​ ​you.​ ​In​ ​this​ ​threshold,​ ​this​ ​new​ ​world,​ ​the​ ​place​ ​you​ ​didn’t​ ​know, who​ ​was​ ​your​ ​mentor.​ ​Who​ ​was​ ​the​ ​person​ ​who​ ​helped​ ​you.​ ​Who​ ​helped​ ​you​ ​in​ ​those​ ​times​ ​of need.​ ​Our​ ​more​ ​specifically​ ​you​ ​and​ ​father.\ Dolly:​ ​There​ ​was​ ​a​ ​lady…​ ​there​ ​was​ ​a​ ​lady​ ​in​ ​Miami​ ​that​ ​helped​ ​us​ ​alot.​ ​I​ ​can’t​ ​remember​ ​her name. J:​ ​Sorry,​ ​wait​ ​a​ ​second​ ​mother. (Short​ ​period​ ​of​ ​time​ ​later). J:​ ​Who​ ​was​ ​your​ ​mentor​ ​again?


Dolly:​ ​It​ ​was​ ​a​ ​lady​ ​who​ ​cleaned,​ ​no,​ ​it​ ​was​ ​a​ ​lady​ ​who​ ​gave​ ​us​ ​work.​ ​It​ ​was​ ​a​ ​person​ ​who​ ​was very​ ​good.​ ​She​ ​was​ ​called…​ ​I​ ​can’t​ ​remember.​ ​But​ ​she​ ​taught​ ​us​ ​a​ ​lot​ ​of​ ​things​ ​my​ ​husband and​ ​I.​ ​She​ ​helped​ ​us​ ​alot​ ​we​ ​got​ ​here.​ ​She​ ​knew​ ​the​ ​system,​ ​helped​ ​us​ ​with​ ​school,​ ​all​ ​that stuff. J:​ ​Ok,​ ​and​ ​you​ ​don’t​ ​know​ ​the​ ​name.​ ​Like,​ ​give​ ​me​ ​a​ ​name​ ​on​ ​the​ ​top​ ​of​ ​your​ ​head​ ​mother. (long​ ​pause​ ​of​ ​silence) Dolly:​ ​She​ ​looked​ ​kind​ ​of​ ​white…​ ​Rosa!​ ​It​ ​was​ ​Rosa. J:​ ​And​ ​she​ ​was​ ​called​ ​lady​ ​Rosa,​ ​ok​ ​mother. Dolly:​ ​She​ ​was​ ​Cubana. J:​ ​She​ ​was​ ​Cuba? Dolly:​ ​She​ ​was​ ​from​ ​Cuba J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother.​ ​So,​ ​right​ ​now​ ​you​ ​were​ ​working​ ​and​ ​working.​ ​Now,​ ​for​ ​the​ ​most​ ​interesting​ ​part. What​ ​was​ ​your​ ​abyss.​ ​Now,​ ​this​ ​is​ ​about​ ​how​ ​you​ ​died.​ ​Not​ ​really​ ​die,​ ​how​ ​you​ ​died​ ​in​ ​your mind,​ ​in​ ​your​ ​heart.​ ​Now,​ ​what​ ​was​ ​your​ ​lowest​ ​point​ ​mother.​ ​The​ ​point​ ​where​ ​you​ ​believed​ ​that everything​ ​was​ ​wrong. Dolly:​ ​We​ ​didn’t​ ​have​ ​any​ ​kids.​ ​Not​ ​anyone​ ​of​ ​them.​ ​There​ ​was​ ​once​ ​a​ ​time​ ​where​ ​your​ ​father and​ ​I​ ​worked​ ​so​ ​much​ ​and​ ​yet​ ​got​ ​so​ ​little.​ ​We​ ​lived​ ​in​ ​a​ ​room​ ​so​ ​disgusting​ ​and​ ​dirty.​ ​We​ ​didn’t have​ ​bed.​ ​We​ ​didn’t​ ​even​ ​have​ ​a​ ​car.​ ​It​ ​was​ ​so​ ​hard​ ​because​ ​I​ ​thought​ ​“What​ ​am​ ​I​ ​doing​ ​in​ ​this country?”​ ​“We​ ​didn’t​ ​do​ ​anything,​ ​we​ ​didn’t​ ​get​ ​anywhere.”​ ​We​ ​were​ ​both​ ​very​ ​depressed. J:​ ​How​ ​old​ ​were​ ​you,​ ​to​ ​be​ ​exact? Dolly:​ ​We​ ​were​ ​at​ ​20​ ​years.​ ​25​ ​years,​ ​22​ ​years. J:​ ​You​ ​were​ ​22​ ​year​ ​when​ ​this​ ​happened. Dolly:​ ​No,​ ​I​ ​was​ ​30.​ ​Let​ ​say​ ​about​ ​30​ ​years. J:​ ​You​ ​had​ ​30​ ​yea… Dolly:​ ​32​ ​years! J:​ ​32​ ​years.​ ​Could​ ​you​ ​please​ ​describe​ ​to​ ​me...


Dolly:​ ​Then​ ​Juliana​ ​was​ ​born,​ ​and​ ​our​ ​lives​ ​changed.​ ​Everything​ ​change​ ​when​ ​Juliana​ ​came. J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother.. Dolly:​ ​Juliana​ ​was​ ​a​ ​gift.​ ​But​ ​I​ ​always​ ​prayed​ ​and​ ​prayed(x5)​ ​and​ ​prayed. J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother.​ ​So​ ​what​ ​was​ ​your​ ​transformation. Dolly:​ ​When​ ​I​ ​was​ ​able​ ​to​ ​get​ ​my​ ​own​ ​business.​ ​I​ ​went​ ​back​ ​to​ ​study,​ ​and​ ​help​ ​myself.​ ​I​ ​worked, and​ ​the​ ​money​ ​came.​ ​I​ ​always​ ​prayed​ ​to​ ​have​ ​a​ ​business​ ​of​ ​my​ ​own,​ ​like​ ​Colombia,​ ​that​ ​was​ ​it. My​ ​husband​ ​was​ ​always​ ​helping.​ ​The​ ​part​ ​of​ ​my​ ​life​ ​that’s​ ​the​ ​most​ ​important​ ​is​ ​your​ ​father. J:​ ​That’s​ ​it. Dolly:​ ​That’s​ ​it. J:​ ​So​ ​after​ ​your​ ​transformation,​ ​you​ ​little​ ​girl.. Dolly:​ ​The​ ​part​ ​that​ ​is​ ​the​ ​most​ ​important​ ​part​ ​in​ ​my​ ​life​ ​is​ ​my​ ​family. J:​ ​I​ ​already​ ​know… Dolly:​ ​My​ ​husband​ ​and​ ​you​ ​guys.​ ​It’s​ ​the​ ​most​ ​valuable. J:​ ​Ok​ ​mother,​ ​and​ ​what​ ​was​ ​your​ ​atonement?​ ​What​ ​did​ ​you​ ​win.​ ​Who​ ​did​ ​you​ ​help?​ ​Who​ ​helped you? Dolly:​ ​Who​ ​helped​ ​me? J:​ ​Who​ ​did​ ​you​ ​help? Dolly:​ ​Who​ ​did​ ​I​ ​helped.​ ​About​ ​every​ ​person​ ​I​ ​gave​ ​a​ ​job​ ​to.​ ​At​ ​every​ ​person​ ​I​ ​gave​ ​advice​ ​to.​ ​At every​ ​person,​ ​who​ ​ever​ ​asked​ ​me​ ​for​ ​help. J:​ ​This​ ​was​ ​after​ ​your​ ​business.​ ​After​ ​your​ ​store…. Dolly:​ ​After​ ​the​ ​events​ ​at​ ​my​ ​store,​ ​I​ ​started​ ​a​ ​program​ ​called​ ​Mis​ ​Juventude​ ​and​ ​I​ ​helped​ ​a​ ​lot of​ ​kids​ ​that​ ​had​ ​a​ ​lot​ ​of​ ​problems. J:​ ​Ok. Dolly:​ ​Problems​ ​at​ ​home,​ ​problems​ ​personal,​ ​problems​ ​with​ ​identity.​ ​A​ ​Lot​ ​of​ ​problems,​ ​and​ ​I helped.


J:​ ​This​ ​is​ ​because​ ​you​ ​are​ ​a​ ​hero,​ ​correct? Dolly:​ ​I’m​ ​not​ ​a​ ​hero,​ ​I’m​ ​just​ ​a​ ​mother. J:​ ​You​ ​helped​ ​many,​ ​that’s… Dolly:​ ​I’m​ ​a​ ​mother,​ ​I’m..​ ​someone​ ​who​ ​had​ ​so​ ​my​ ​gifts​ ​in​ ​my​ ​life. J:​ ​Yes. Dolly:​ ​Because​ ​I​ ​of​ ​all​ ​you​ ​4. J:​ ​Yes,​ ​and​ ​that​ ​was​ ​your​ ​atonement,​ ​helping​ ​people​ ​all​ ​around.​ ​Even​ ​though​ ​Mis​ ​Juventude lasted​ ​for​ ​3​ ​years,​ ​it​ ​…. Dolly:​ ​4 J:​ ​What? Dolly:​ ​4​ ​years. J:​ ​Oh,​ ​I’m​ ​sorry,​ ​4​ ​years,​ ​like,​ ​how​ ​many​ ​people​ ​did​ ​you​ ​help? Dolly:200 J:​ ​200? Dolly:​ ​200​ ​girls. J:​ ​200​ ​girls… Dolly:​ ​200​ ​that​ ​we​ ​shown.​ ​It​ ​was​ ​hard.​ ​Very​ ​hard.​ ​Very​ ​very​ ​hard.​ ​Too,​ ​super,​ ​mega,​ ​ultra​ ​hard. It​ ​was​ ​Hard!.It​ ​was​ ​hard​ ​J​ ​you​ ​couldn’t​ ​imagine.​ ​It​ ​was​ ​terrible!​ ​Ha​ ​ha.​ ​Now​ ​I’m​ ​very​ ​happy. J:​ ​I..​ ​What​ ​was​ ​your​ ​return​ ​mother? Dolly:​ ​What? J:​ ​This​ ​is​ ​the​ ​final​ ​part. Dolly:​ ​What’s​ ​my​ ​return?


J:​ ​Like​ ​when​ ​you​ ​got​ ​out,​ ​you​ ​knew​ ​your​ ​world.​ ​When​ ​you​ ​were​ ​a​ ​kid,​ ​you​ ​knew​ ​your​ ​world.​ ​You knew​ ​that​ ​when​ ​you​ ​were​ ​a​ ​kid,​ ​the​ ​world​ ​was​ ​a​ ​bit​ ​hard.​ ​Ok​ ​mother.​ ​Right​ ​now,​ ​after​ ​this experience​ ​of​ ​life,​ ​and​ ​how​ ​did​ ​it​ ​go.​ ​Now,​ ​you're​ ​returning​ ​to​ ​the​ ​same​ ​position​ ​again.​ ​Not​ ​to Colombia,​ ​but​ ​at​ ​your​ ​mind.​ ​Like,​ ​you​ ​know​ ​more.​ ​Like,​ ​what​ ​do​ ​you​ ​do​ ​more. Dolly:​ ​What​ ​do​ ​I​ ​do,​ ​I’m​ ​more​ ​happy. J:​ ​But​ ​how.​ ​Who​ ​do​ ​you​ ​help​ ​out​ ​now​ ​mother? Dolly:​ ​I​ ​help…​ ​right​ ​now​ ​I​ ​have​ ​a​ ​dream.​ ​I​ ​have​ ​a​ ​dream​ ​is​ ​that​ ​I’m​ ​going​ ​to​ ​help​ ​build​ ​houses​ ​in Colombia,​ ​to​ ​help​ ​my​ ​.​ ​To​ ​help​ ​mothers​ ​divorced,​ ​that​ ​have​ ​kids,​ ​with​ ​disabilities.​ ​Because,​ ​the most​ ​important​ ​thing​ ​in​ ​my​ ​life​ ​was​ ​you​ ​guys.​ ​I​ ​saw​ ​how​ ​my​ ​mother​ ​struggled​ ​with​ ​us,​ ​and​ ​how she​ ​didn’t​ ​have​ ​any​ ​help. J:​ ​How​ ​are​ ​you​ ​going​ ​to​ ​do​ ​this​ ​exactly? Dolly:​ ​I’m​ ​going​ ​to​ ​be​ ​a​ ​Diamond. J:​ ​In​ ​Amway​ ​mother? Dolly:Mhm Dolly:​ ​The​ ​final​ ​part.​ ​The​ ​final​ ​part​ ​would​ ​be​ ​to​ ​build​ ​houses​ ​and​ ​help​ ​all​ ​the​ ​mother’s,​ ​maidens, and​ ​other​ ​women​ ​who​ ​need​ ​help.​ ​That​ ​have​ ​children​ ​with​ ​disabilities. J:​ ​You​ ​going​ ​to​ ​do​ ​this​ ​by​ ​becoming​ ​diamond,​ ​yes. Dolly:​ ​I’m​ ​going​ ​to​ ​do​ ​it,​ ​when​ ​I​ ​become​ ​a​ ​diamond​ ​in​ ​Amway.​ ​Because​ ​the​ ​money,​ ​must​ ​be used​ ​for​ ​a​ ​cause​ ​good​ ​and​ ​noble. J:​ ​Yes​ ​mother,​ ​and​ ​one​ ​of​ ​those​ ​things​ ​you​ ​did​ ​was​ ​once​ ​talk​ ​to​ ​30,000​ ​people​ ​on​ ​stage. Dolly:​ ​Is​ ​to​ ​be​ ​the​ ​example​ ​for​ ​others​ ​that​ ​you​ ​can​ ​do​ ​it.​ ​That​ ​the​ ​limitations​ ​are​ ​in​ ​the​ ​mind. J:​ ​Alright​ ​then,​ ​thank​ ​you​ ​all​ ​for​ ​listening.​ ​Translations​ ​will​ ​be​ ​in​ ​the​ ​link​ ​below.​ ​I​ ​hoped​ ​you​ ​all listened​ ​and​ ​I​ ​hoped​ ​you​ ​all​ ​enjoyed.


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