Newsletter 0816 by Paul Kastle

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THE ROOSTER A monthly update from the Inland Empire Offroad Association

Whats New We had a great trip to Coral Pink, which was our 22nd annual July visit to these beautiful dunes. Read all about it throughout this 13 page newsletter.

Coral Pink 2016 By Paul Kastle

Havasu River Trip With Coral Pink over with, August has traditionally been when some club members get together in Lake Havasu for some summer fun. This year we have plans for August 12-14th, but since Shirley will be having surgery in early August we may cancel or postpone the event. Watch the website for details. Tuesday, July 5th: We set the alarm to get up at 3:00 after packing the trailer during the long weekend for the fourth of July. We threw in a few more things, loaded up the kids, and were on the road by 3:45. We had a good run to Barstow, but when we stopped for breakfast I noticed the tread was missing from one of the trailer tires. We

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Upcoming Events • August 12-14th: River weekend at Don and Shirley Ford’s in Lake Havasu. Watch for more details. • September 16-18: Sand Sports Super Show at the Orange County Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa.

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were already parked in a nice concrete lot, so we got breakfast at McDonalds and then I changed the tire. We decided to try to get it replaced in Vegas, since the Barstow America’s Tire wasn’t open yet. We got to Vegas by 9:00 and checked online to figure out which store had the tire in stock so we headed over to Boulder Highway. Being the first day after a holiday and early in the month they were pretty crowded, but were very nice as always. For $19 we (Mark Rhoades) got a new tire with their replacement program. Then we headed up to Mesquite and got there just after 1:00. We unloaded and then headed for the pool, which Allie had been looking forward to and Marshall got to experience for the first time. He did great, just hanging out in his floaty thing, then sleeping on Melissa’s lap in the shade. We met up with everybody at 6:00 to head to the traditional Pizza Hut dinner, which we enjoyed as always. Then we did some shopping and I changed another trailer tire, since I noticed one had some bubbles in the sidewall. Wednesday, July 6th:

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We got up and met for breakfast at the Casablanca Café at 8:30. We had a great server and enjoyed the food. Then we went to pack the trailers with the plan of heading out about 10:30. We got loaded up and were on the road at 10:31. The trip up through the Virgin River Gorge was nice, and there wasn’t as severe of construction as the last couple of years. There were places where it was one lane each direction, but there was no Krail to worry about, which pleased Kris greatly. We stopped after an hour an a half at the Chevron in Apple Valley, where we frequently have stopped since I had a blowout in John’s truck

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there in 2007. They are very nice and have good fuel prices and plenty of parking, and it is a nice area. Everyone enjoyed the chance to stretch, and Marshall got a snack. Then we headed out for the last stretch of the trip to the park. We took the cane beds road cutoff, and the road was a little bumpy and very dry but not too soft. We arrived just before 1:30 our time, meaning the trip took less than three hours with the stop. We had all five rigs together and they were very quick about checking us in and giving us our window stickers. Because of the soft sand I had more trouble than normal maneuvering my trailer to where we wanted it, and wound up hitting a tree and a rock, but we got it eventually. Then we got my parents’ trailer parked, than Mike’s, and finally Kris and Doug’s motorhome in the spot up on the pad where Don and Shirley usually park. We all mentioned how much we missed them, and we knew that would be consistent throughout the week. We spent the afternoon unpacking and relaxing. The sky was clear, but the breeze kept it from being too hot. We didn’t have our thermometer, but I’d guess it was about 90. We had dinner and chatted out at the picnic tables, and found that the BBQ had been repaired after having the valves broken last year. We saw a little RZR 170 running through the camp and up and up the highway fast, which really surprised us because breaking the law usually doesn’t go over well in the park. They stopped just about 10, so it was quiet and cool for sleeping. Thursday July 7th: I got up at 7:00 Utah time to take the dogs for a walk and hang out in the camp. I love early mornings up here. This is when I write the trip report, sitting with my computer at the picnic table each morning, so I don’t forget the cool stuff that happened the day before. One by one everybody else got up, then we sat around and talked about where our first ride should be. We decided on a RZR ride to check out the trails above the corral, since there was a trail that Mike hadn’t been on before. Mike brought both of his RZR 1000s up for the trip, and generously offered to let me drive one. I also was able to convince Allie to ride with me, so we got her all set up in the seat and then headed to the dunes. The four RZRs had no problem going through the dunes, and we took our first break at the Corral. Allie wanted to climb to the top of the hill, so I went with her. Then we went exploring and found that the trail Mike found was the one to the pictographs, where we had been with the sandrails during one of Kris and Doug’s first trips. We all mentioned Shirley’s story about Brad helping her make it back up to the cars after hiking to see the pictographs. We saw on the sign this year that it is a 1.5 mile hike with 1700 ft of elevation change, no wonder she was tired. None of us attempted it this year. We then continued the loop of trails up there, going through the valley for Shirley’s waterfall but deciding not to stop there with Allie. We took another break on the plateau that looks toward Kanab that we found last year at the end of trail 51. Then we circled back past the dunes overlook trail but didn’t head down there because it was getting late and we wanted to head back to camp. We stopped for a quick break at the corral, but when we went to leave Jim’s RZR had an electrical issue and wouldn’t crank. We tried Mike’s jumper cables, but it wouldn’t start so we decided to head back with the other RZRs and come back with a truck and Jim’s 3

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little trailer to pick his up. Doug had the good idea to tow the RZR to the road first so we didn’t have to go as far back in with the truck, which worked out well. We headed back to camp and on the way I got to play in the sand a bit in the RZR. It slides beautifully, and Doug said that it looked like I was driving my sandrail, and that he wished he had video of it. I could amuse myself all day sliding around like that. We got back to camp and hooked up the trailer and got back to Jim just 45 minutes after we left. We loaded the RZR and headed back to camp, where we saw the head Ranger for the first time of the trip. We spent the rest of the afternoon just hanging around in camp, and removing Jim’s battery so he could go look for a replacement in town on Friday. Friday July 8th: I got up with the dogs and took my usual walk, then sat around and hung out in camp for a while. We decided to take a new trip today and get to the Majestic View Lodge outside of Zion by taking the Smithsonian Butte backcountry byway. We hadn’t been to the lodge since 2006. Google maps said it was a 30 min shortcut from the road we drive in on up to highway 9 in Rockville Utah. Melissa and I had been thinking about this trip for a few years, so we decided to try it. Everybody else joined in as well, and we took the Excursion and both Duallys since Jim was going in search of a battery after lunch. The drive was really pretty, but we passed these neon warning signs about requiring four wheel drive and extreme ground clearance. Most of the road was nice and smooth, but then we got to a couple of hills at the end that were

steep and rocky. Allie said it was just like the RZR ride. It was about as extreme of off roading as I want to do with the big trucks we have to drive home. It was a fun adventure, and soon the road leveled out and we drove through a pretty town and crossed a very old narrow bridge across the Virgin River that was built by the Park Service in the early 1900s. Then we were at the lodge in a few minutes, and despite being almost noon there was nobody in the restaurant. We got the same tables in front of the pretty view that we had in 2006, and we all really enjoyed the food. After lunch Doug, Kris, Mike, and Nancy headed back in Doug’s truck while Jim went to Hurricane in search of a battery and we went shopping. Jim found a battery at Napa

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for only $120, which was a great deal compared to the $100 eBay one that died quickly. We checked out the antique stores and pawn shops, and I found a camera that uses the same battery as my point and shoot and bought it because it was cheaper than just buying the battery. We got back to camp around 5:00 and just hung out in the group site. We did go up to the Ranger station for ice and chatted with Michael Franklin, the Park Manager who has been at Coral Pink since 2004. He remembers us each year, and is a nice guy to talk to. They have a new Polaris Ranger to use in the dunes this year, and still have their RZR 800 (which has developed reliability problems) and the old Jeep Cherokee that we helped them put a fuse in a few years ago. He remembers our buggies too, and even asked about the one that says “What 401K” on the back (Kris Schellinger’s) since he remembered that one. Then we had hot dogs for dinner and worked on Jim’s trailer brakes that had developed a short on the way up. We found a chafed wire and repaired it as it got dark, then sat around for a bit and went to bed. Saturday July 9th: We got up and had breakfast as usual, then decided to head West from camp on a RZR ride. Before we left I flew my hexcopter and got some video of the whole area from right over camp. On the ride we took all four RZRs, with Mike again volunteering his second 1000 for me to take, but this time Allie stayed in camp. We went past the road to the dinosaur tracks and up to the entrance to the hideout cave, but then for a change we took a small trail from there that winds around up the hill that the cave is in. This was a new sport for all of us, and the trail had some super steep spots, but was very pretty and led to overlook a beautiful valley with a meadow in the bottom. Then we wound down the hill toward the meadow, which had some steep shear rock faces, but as always the RZRs did great. Then we followed the valley back East, and found that it is the same valley the dinosaur tracks are in. We parked and walked up to the tracks from the other side of the fence. The other end of the valley had a no trespassing sign, so we took a trail that led up to the dinosaur tracks access road and headed back to camp. We all went in to Kanab for lunch, which was my first time there this trip. After Junction burgers, some thrift store shopping, and Melissa doing some work on the computer we headed back to camp. We fixed my air compressor that had a broken pipe stuck in the tank, then put on Jim’s paddle tires so I could drive the sandrail. Jim led, I drove the sandrail, and Mike followed me. It worked great for about 8 minutes, then a CV 5

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joint came apart. Fortunately we were close to camp, but the sand was still too soft and steep for my Dad’s RZR to tow me back, so we had to go back to camp for parts to replace it. I drove my Dad’s RZR while he stayed out and started taking it apart. I put together a CV from old worn pieces and took out all the tools I thought we might need. It went well, but some damage on the axle meant we had to tap the CV star off and on, which took some time. CVs are always a messy job, but at least this is the prettiest place I have ever done one. We got it all together and when I went to fire it up we found we had knocked off the fuel pump wire. Just then Doug and Kris arrived in Mike’s other RZR to check on us. We all made it back safe with over an hour to spare before quiet time, and the RZRs stopped to help a family from Arizona in a Rhino with street tires. We then ate dinner and hung out at the tables for one of the latest nights of the trip. Sunday July 10th: We got up about 7:30 and I started the burner for cooking freezer bag omelets. Everybody contributed great stuff, and we had two kinds of sausage, two kinds of bacon, ham, lots of cheese, salsa, and lots of good stuff. We started cooking them about 9:00, and everybody seemed to enjoy the good easy breakfast. For the ride, we decided to take the RZRs to find some slot canyons on the other side of Highway 89 that they had visited last year. This was a great trip, and just to get up to where we cross the highway we went to the Corral, across Hancock road, and through a bunch of trails I had never been on with beautiful scenery all around us. Just after we crossed Hancock road I noticed the RZR clutch sounded different so I called Mike on the radio to stop and take a look at it. It turns out I had claimed my first RZR belt, since there were a few places where some of the inside teeth were missing. We replaced it very quickly and then were on our way again. Once we crossed the highway Mike expertly led us to the canyons even without the instruction sheet he had last year. The canyons were really impressive, and we walked further up the canyon and found a third canyon that they didn’t see last year. They are just a few feet wide, and are often 40-50 feet deep. It felt like waking into air conditioning because the air was so cool in there where the direct sun doesn’t reach the inside of the canyon. There were lots of places where you couldn’t see sky when looking straight up because of the overlapping sandstone above us. We followed a similar route back and enjoyed the scenery, stopping at a sandstone rock formation that sticks up in the middle of an otherwise fairly flat area. We went down the Disneyland trail on the way back to camp, rounding out one of the best dune rides I’ve had, and yes it was in a RZR. They are amazingly capable, and Coral Pink is so perfect for them because it highlights the variety of terrain they can handle so well. Then we had lunch and hung out in camp for a while before my Dad 6

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Monday July 11th: I got up and took the dogs for our usual walk about 7, and we went all the way to the ranger station because someone else was walking on the path we normally use. We got back to camp and I typed up trip notes while others woke up and came outside. Melissa made breakfast burritos which were great. As planned the RZRs headed for Mt. Carmel about 10:30, while we flew the hexcopter then packed up to head for St. George. As soon as we got cell service Melissa had two voicemails, so she went to work fixing printers and dealing with employee time issues. She was still on the phone while I dropped the trailer tire off, went to two pawn shops, and went to Home Depot. Then we had lunch at Freddy’s Steakburgers and frozen custard, which was really good. They also had fast WiFi, which helped Melissa access her computer at the office. From there we headed to the Post Office to mail a special souvenir to Don and Shirley, who weren’t able to make this trip after being here many consecutive years. Then we picked up the trailer tire and did some thrift and consignment store shopping. We also went to Target, which is a tradition because Melissa would go into withdrawal if she didn’t visit Target for 10 days. We headed for camp stopping by Wal Mart and the Ace hardware in Hurricane and driving through to get dinner at Arby’s. On the sand dunes road we came across a big herd of cows just after sunset, and they were not interested in moving. We finally got back to camp about 9:40. We heard about the great ride that Mike let to the Thunderbird, where they left from and returned to the meadow but made a big loop with the return trip crossing the Virgin River over 20 times. Then we went to sleep to get ready for more riding the next day. Tuesday July 12th: I took the dogs out right at 7 and on our walk some tourists stopped to take pictures of Diesel from their car. Then I sat and typed up this report and watched GoPro video from the hexcopter the morning before. For the morning ride we decided to take a quick trip through the lower dunes and the sand canyon wash trail at the foot of the bluffs. I had a ball sliding around in the lower dunes, and the

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trail was impressive, since it changes every year. We got back to camp about 11:00 so that we could all head in to Kanab for lunch. It was the first day that we could make Fastpass ride reservations for our upcoming Disney World trip, so we did that on the computer while we ate at Lotsa Motsa Pizza for their lunch buffet. When we got back to camp we walked up to the Ranger station with Grandpa Jim and looked at all the T shirts. I got a new one and we spent quite a while talking with the Rangers. They are super nice and said that if we ever needed anything to call the ranger station or come over to their houses across the street. After dinner I wanted to fly the hexcopter over the dunes, so we went out in my Dad’s RZR and parked at the top of the dune to the right as we go out. I got some great video despite it being a little windy. Then we sat around and looked at pictures and played games at the tables. Wednesday July 13th: I got up at 6:45 to take the dogs for their walk and I took Melissa’s good camera with me for some sunrise shots. This was the day we planned to go to the Thunderbird for breakfast, leaving the camp at 8:30. We took the three trucks up there and had a very nice breakfast. Being a smaller group, we were all able to sit at one table. We all signed a post card for Walt and got it in the mail. Then after breakfast we shopped in the gift store and found another license plate for Marshall’s wall in his bedroom. Then while everybody else headed back to camp for a RZR ride, we went on up to Cedar City to shop and explore. It was just about an hour from the Thunderbird, and the drive is beautiful, reaching an elevation of over 10,000 ft. It was only 65 degrees at the peak. When we got into town we did some shopping and had a great lunch (and ice cream) at DQ. We stopped by WalMart on the way out of town and picked up a RC monster truck for Allie, since she has decided that Grave Digger is her favorite. Once we got back to camp she had a ball driving it and putting on a monster truck show for those of us in camp. I also joined in on the RC fun by flying my quadcopter and hexcopter, getting video of the campground and doing flips. I even got my Dad to fly them, which he enjoyed. The only rides I went on today were down to the dump station to dump grey water in our blue tank, but Melissa and Marshall came on one of them making it his first RZR ride, which he seemed to enjoy. As it got dark we lit a campfire with wood that Doug and Jim had collected from empty sites, and we roasted marshmallows for smores. We also discussed the plans for our last full day, and made plans to return to the Thunderbird in the RZRs going through the Virgin River valley both ways. Then once everybody else went to bed Allie, Melissa, my Dad and I played a game of Battleship using a set that we got from the thrift store in Kanab. Thursday July 14th:

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I started our last full day as usual, with a sunrise walk to the overlook with the dogs. Our ride plan was to make another trip through the Virgin River to Mt Carmel Junction for lunch (and pie) at the Thunderbird. I had never done this but had heard all about it and seen pictures from this trip last year. Thanks to Mike, A.J., and Kris and Doug today was my day to experience this epic ride. We started by going through the dunes to the meadow, then crossed the sand dunes road and went up into the hills. We overlooked the valley that we would soon be winding into. After over an hour, we went down a steep hill and found ourselves in the river bottom. We made the first of 50 river crossings (25 in each direction) and took a break under the trees surrounded by sandstone cliffs. It looked like we were in Zion but we were on a ride. I flew my hexcopter around to get some shots of the scenery and the group. Then we headed upriver on the trail and I took hundreds of pictures as we worked our way to where the river crosses highway 89. We saw ranches, horses, and even a zipline area. After what felt like a very short time, we were at the highway and followed it for just a bit to the 9

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hotel and restaurant. We got cleaned up a bit in the restrooms then got a table. The food was great, and we got a 10% discount for arriving by ATV. Then we stopped at the gas station to fill up (which was more of a photo op than a necessity, but was cool. Then we retraced our steps back through the river valley. We stopped to get some video of the group from the hexcopter as we crossed the river a few times, then settled in for the long trail ride up put of the canyon. As we climbed, Mike decided he would take trail 20 to the road west of camp since it had been a long ride. I enjoyed all of it, and after a short break under some trees we did the last leg of the trip down to the road, which we drove on to save some time then came into the dunes near the campground. We sat around and looked at the pictures from the ride and relaxed a bit. Then we did a test ride with my sandrail in the dune close to camp to make sure that third gear worked, since we had just replaced it before the trip. It did fine, and it was fun to get to drive it in the dunes just a little bit. We stopped for ice at the ranger station and the ranger came out to check out the car. Then we went back to came to hang out and start packing up. We had another campfire and roasted marshmallows. Friday July 15th: I got up and did one more walk with the dogs, then sat and typed this up and finished the memory stick of pictures and video that we’ll give to the Rangers on our way out. I also noticed that there was nobody up at the overlook, so as soon as quiet hours were over I took a quadcopter up there to get some shots of the overlook and closed dunes. We then finished packing up and moving rigs out of the site, and we were out of there by 10:30 Utah time. We dropped off the pictures for the ranger and headed out to the dirt road. It took us about 20 minutes on the dirt road with the trailers, but we went slow and didn’t have any issues. The drive to Mesquite was great, and we arrived about 12:30. Mike continued on for home, but we stopped for one more meal with my parents and Kris and Doug. Then we got back on the road about 2:00 so that we could attend my coworker’s wedding on Saturday. It meant it would be a long drive, but fortunately everything went very well. We got through Vegas before rush hour, and then had no problems all the rest of the way home. We got home at 10:30 PM and parked the trailer in the driveway to be unloaded over the next two days. Marshall, who had slept most of the way home, decided it was time to play, and kept Melissa up until early in the morning. We had a great trip, and it was nice to have two days at home after it to unpack and get ready for the dreaded return to work on Monday.

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Coral Pink Crossword Answers 2016

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2. Type of vehicle formerly popular for use in the dunes prior to UTVs.

1. ___ storms are common, especially in the afternoons. 3. Human powered vehicle popular with Mykel and Allie in camp in 2015.

3. This material covers a portion of the dunes for a during the winter. 4. The ___ is a local burger place in Kanab.

5. Hotel, casino, and RV park we visit before and after Coral Pink.

8. Best ___ Animal Sanctuary is located between Kanab and the state park.

6. Part of speech that "Coral" is in the name of the dunes.

12. We take a shortcut to the dunes by turning off on ____ Beds rd after Colorado City.

7. Three Bears Creamery in Kanab is known for their ice ___ that makes a nice afternoon treat.

14. ___ Canyon, nearby national park North of Coral Pink known for its spires.

9. We cook omelets in freezer ___ for a quick easy breakfast.

17. Vermillion ___ are visible in the area and form the second step of the grand staircase.

11. These hours are from 10:00 PM until 9:00 AM in the state park.

18. Nearby hotel and restaurant that gives a 10% discount for arriving in OHVs.

13. Rock formation destination across Sand Dunes Road from camp, minus the honey or stinging inhabitants.

20. Utah county in which the state park is located.

15. Ice and firewood are available at the __ station.

21. Prehistoric ___ tracks can be seen in the rocks near the state park.

16. We often ride on trails that lead to scenic ___ where we can look down on beautiful landscapes.

10. We have been going to Coral pink for over two ___ now.

22. Nevada town on I-15 where we stop and meet up on the way to Coral Pink.

19. Instead of carrying cans, the RZRs can fill up on ___ at the station in Mt. Carmel.

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P.J. in a RZR? One of the most unique things about this year's Coral Pink trip was that I had the pleasure of driving a RZR on most of the rides. Yes, despite the chance of being excommunicated from the family by my father in law I will admit that I really enjoyed driving the RZR. First of all I want to thank everyone that made it possible for me to have so much fun. For years Don and Shirley Ford have made sure that I got to drive a RZR at Coral Pink and have offered me one of theirs for the whole trip, which I have declined due to being concerned about breaking something that isn't mine and I can't afford. This year Mike let me know that Kris and Doug would be leaving the buggy at home and would haul AJ's RZR up there so there would be an extra RZR around. I really appreciate Mike and AJ offering it and the Schellingers hauling it up there. Also my Dad provided the 91 octane fuel to make sure we kept it full. On the first day Mike explained that the stories they told would be the same whether I drove it or not, so I might as well have a good time and that is what I did. By driving the RZR on most rides I got to see some great scenery in a larger area around the dunes that I had not seen in my prior 21 years of going up there, including lunch at the Thunderbird and amazing slot canyons across Highway 89. I also really had fun driving it in the sand dunes, since the great weight balance and extra power make it a joy to slide around, which I have been known to do. On one ride Doug followed me through the lower dunes and said there was no question it was me driving that RZR, and it looked just like my sandrail. Mike looked in his mirror and wondered if I was suggesting he go some other way, but then figured out I was just playing around. Putting it in 2WD in the sand was like flipping a "fun switch" for me and really kept it interesting. It was great to be able to lock it back in 4wd and do some amazing climbs too, and the capability of the RZRs is impressive. There were many times we climbed up large stair steps that would have been a lot of work to walk up, and the RZRs made it look easy. In low range 4wd there isn't much short of a brick wall that they won't climb, and I wouldn't rule the wall out. So, all this fun brings us to the big question: Will I be trading the sandrail for a RZR? My answer to this recurring dillema still hasn't changed, since I'm still not willing to give up the fun of the sandrail 12

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during the rest of the dune season for one exceptional trip with a RZR in the summer. My sandrail is as much a part of me as any vehicle can be, and is the product of over 23 years of evolution and me having my own sand car. (Man I am getting old!) I am proud of the car that I have been able to build with the help of great friends and family, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. The RZR, however does provide a formidable opponent that beats the sandrail in some ways. While they clearly do not have the power and acceleration that the sandrails have evolved to have, the versatility of the RZRs is truly impressive since they can go almost anywhere. The slower pace of the RZRs is more relaxing and seems to help with preventing parts failure. A true reliability comparison has yet to be seen though, because there isn't a RZR out there with 10 years of hard use on it like my current sandrail has. The smaller dimensions of the RZR keep me on my toes, and add to the excitement for me compared to the rock solid stability of the larger sandrail. I do wonder what a four seat RZR would be like, because that would be a more fair comparison to the sandrail since the ability to haul the family is a big factor. Would it have the same insane sliding ability? Would it do as well in the tight trails and rock climbs? Would it be worth a $5000 price increase over a similarly equipped 2 seater? I don't know the answers to these questions, but they would be fun to find out. For now though, I will put another new CV on my sandrail (since it is cheaper than a RZR belt) and start planning for a great Glamis season. When it comes to next Coral Pink we'll just have to see how the trip evolves. I'd love to have some more sandrails up there to ride with in my favorite dunes, even though we'd miss out on some great trail rides. If no other sandrails make the trip, I'd be happy to do as the others do and ride in a RZR. We'd even love to rent one for the trip or a few days of it, but that appears to be an expensive option. It does make us even more grateful for the great riding opportunity I had this year, and no matter what I am looking forward to next year.

This month we’d like to thank everyone that has contributed to 22 years of great Coral Pink trips. Despite the volume of Coral Pink material this month, I’m sure that there are more great stories to be told, so look for more next month. Enjoy your summer time activities, and the next sand season will be here before we know it. -Paul, Melissa, Allie, and Marshall.