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Tony Altimari Jay Baris Jan Buehler Bill Cherno Tom Mattingly Stu Rosenthal Sara Sill
ASSOCIATE EDITOR Marti Zeleniak
BUSINESS MANAGER Hillary Fuhrman
CONTRIBUTORS Sandy Bayo Bob Ginsburg Zach Greenhill
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WHAT A LIFE?
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S & M FOR ONLY $4,000 A YEAR "Well, " said the civilian to the law student, "now that you've been through law school, tell me what it was like. " "What do you mean, 'what it was like'?" responded the law student, pragmatically, "in what way?" ; : ,; : "You know -- how was it? How did it feel to be a law student?" the civilian countered in confusion, "Is that such a hard question?" "Well, it's not one that I can answer easily, " the law student responded, "after all aii. . , " :. "Look" the civilian replied, now somewhat impatient, "can't you just analogize or something?" "Ah yes! Analogy I" the law student exclaimed, in recognition of the concept. "Being a law student is the best of times and the worst of times. It's like. . . . . . picking the wrong door on "Let's Make a Deal" and winning a herd of cattle . . . learning to "disco on a skating rink without skates . . . walking through mud in your new $125. 00 suede Guccis . . . scraping your nails against a blackboard
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Academic and Hallowed Halls Merry merry students we Who never rose above a C. Who lurked and prowled middle ground Y/ho uttered not a brilliant sound. To whom the cases made no sense Examinations made us tense. ; We bore the slings of smarter peers Who had more stuffing 'twixt their ears. We huddled close up to the mean And law review did make us green. We couldn't understand the sport The chase, the thrill, of dull moot court. And never liked those late work nights Or all those foolish graded fights But now all that is in the past. Bingo Knightly (Robert Ginsburg)
VERY FEW PICTURES How I hate Foundation Press, Gilbert's, West And all the rest Who nestled heavy 'neath my arm They never held a bit of charm. -Bingo Knightly
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HOFSTRA LAW PROFILES J. BARISINI HOME: Hempstead, New York PROFESSION: Attorney at Law, shoe saleman HOBBIES: Mah jongg, snow shoveling, watching the Queensboro Bridge rust. MOST MEMORABLE BOOK: Curious George goes to the zoo; Blashfield on Auto Insurance (8 vols). LATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT: Translated the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure to Swahili. QUOTE: "Lawyers of today provide the impetus for social change. They are the lubricants of the cogs of society. I am honored to be a member of this profession which prides itself on adversarial finesse, unmitigated respect for justice, and overdressing. The public needs us. After all, most people don't understand every law, especially the unwritten ones. " PROFILE: Prominent jaw, large nose. Outgoing and eager to help, be it a client with a multi-million dollar tort liability suit or an uncontested divorce. LAW SCHOOL: Hofstra
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THE FIRST DAY WAS A YEAR LONG (Of Law School, Marriage and Life) The first day was a year long. The second day was a little longer. Now the third day has come. On the first day we stood there touching, ready to give each other all, hoping, proud, awed. The place was full of knowledge and ignorance. The ignorance overcame, but the knowledge manipulated and managed long hours and hard work. My mind was expanded narrowly toward the end of the first day. And I looked and looked but coula not see that the first day was not a victory, was not the end, that it was instead the beginning - - o f defeat. The second day came but not the old friends How many times can you say no thank you, not today. As the second day got older, me young dreams of equal justice, sisterhood, and civil rights, were confused in legal history were pushed back finally strangled by the knowledge of impotence before the mountain of numbers and the wall of join or fail. And fail if you do not. As the third day got closer, I looked back and turned around but there was nothing behind me. Anymore. Now the third day has come, So I turned around and looked beside me, what I saw I Cannot share. Too painful to describe Old job, new job; old teeth, new teeth; old voice, new voice; looking but not seeing children growing tall; pain and loneliness all around me. When? WhyY wnere was I? Three days, three years. Not that there aren't new friends, not that there aren't new goals, but instead of three I was four. Instead of four, I'm alone. Sandy Bayo
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Lawrence W. Kessler
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Ronald H. Silverman
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A MESSAGE FROM THE DEAN Yearbook messages tend to be rather stuffy and formal. This will not do for Hofstra. We may have our faults, but stuffiness is not one of them. For me the Hofstra experience is characterized by straightforwardness and intimacy between faculty and students. We have differed over many issues but we have throughout faced each other with honesty. Honesty is generally considered to be a basic human virtue. But, truth is very rarely a clear-cut matter â&#x20AC;&#x201D; it is only as sharp as those who engage in the dialogue. Honesty, in my opinion, only reaches perfection when people care enough not only to tell the truth but also to communicate it and make sure the other understands. |a I I believe that the Hofstra community cares. We are concerned about each other as human beings, as students and teachers and as lawyers. We care that the learning process be humane and sensitive. We worry as to whether we are challenging each other to the limits of our abilities. And we take pride in our sense of caring. Three years is a long time out of a person's life. Indeed, life does not come in an infinite number of three-year blocks. We have for better or worse left an indelible impression on each other. I can only hope that your impressions are as profound and satisfying as mine. ";|&:,. -.-fe:Aaron D. Twerski
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IN MEMORY OF MICHAEL SOLOMON
, And in Michael's memory, each of us shall promise: To make every moment of our lives a crescendo: To learn all that can be learned, and touch everything that can be touched and love all that can possibly be loved. So that when we reach that moment, When our lives too, must come to an end, We can rest in the knowledge that Nothing has been lost, for our lives were full. And all was gained. Pete Kramer
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Willie Rodriquez Acosta
Sanford Adler
Anthony Altimari
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Dolores A. Battalia
Susan D. Bauer
Brunhilda S. Bayo 53
Janet Belkin
Roberta Bender
Aaron Ben-Merre
Nancy Bensal
Ralph S. Berger 54
Warren M. Berger
Sandra Lynne Berman
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Julie Thalen Block
Bobbi Bonfeld
Ross Born
Judith Borvick
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Jeffrey P. Clemente
Harris N. Cogan
Steven M. Cohen
Tony Colletti
Patricia Cornely Connor
Gordon Crane
David M. Cohen
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Jean C. Bresler
Katharine S. Brooks
Susan H. Caprari
Jerry Casel
Stewart Michael Casper
Bari Chase
Sharon Hass Chernick
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Rudolph R. D'Amato
Ronald J. Davis
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Harold F. Damm
Jill Donna Delman
Penny Eckland-Levy
Ellen Efros
Elissa Epstein
Linda Escobar
Susan Etra
Saralee Evans
Julie Fay 59
Terri S. Feinstein
Steven M. Fishner 60
Harvey A. Feintuch
Gilbert G. Flanagan
Susan Finkelstein
Marilyn Frier
Hillary Light Fuhrman
Diane Geller
Robert L. Ginsburg
Michael R. Golden
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James D. Harnett
Christine O'Connor Heinberg
Arthur P. Gruener
Charles Mitchell Hammer
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Marc S. Horowitz
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Michael Goldman
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Joan A. King 65
Carolyn Klaiman
Sari L. Klinghoffer
Peter L. Kramer
Sandra Kramer
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Howard G. Lane
Michael Lang
Marilyn Steinberg Lauer
Robert Lefkin
Wayne Scott Liebert
Denise Lepicier
Carol A. Lieb
Marilyn Kulek Litt
Melinda Eilene Lowell
Judith L. Lowenstein
Susan Lubitz 67
Hector Louis Lugo
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Richard S. Mazawey
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Barbara Miles
Susan A. Mills
Nessa E. Moll
Marlene Monteleone
Stephanie Lynn Morse 69
Linda A. Newman
Linda Nunziato
Harry Pacht
Leonard Pilzer
Neal R. Platt
Michael Donald Patrick
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James Podobinski
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Kenneth N. Rashbaum
Robert J. Raubach
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Christine Cahill Ressa
Sanford P. Rosen
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Lisa Joanne Siano
Denise Harvey Sher
Sara Sill
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Debbie A. Spivak
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Janet Starwood
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Reginald Eugene Sims
Ezra D. Singer
Rick H. Singer
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Gary Richard Small
Howard Michael Smith
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Bruce R. Thaw
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Jeffrey Weiss
Edward Weissman
Marilyn Labb Zeitlan
Martha A. Zeleniak
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AS MRENTS, SPOUSES AND FRIENDS WE HAVE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WATCHED YOU WORK HARD TO BECOME LAWYERS. WE HAVE SEEN YOU CHANGE AND GROW IN THE PROCESS-PERHAP; MORE SO THAN YOU NOW REALIZE
BASILIO & MARINA R, ACQSTA ETHEL & ROBERT ADLER HON. & MRS. FRANK X. ALTIMARI THE BERGER FAMILY LEAH & AW BERGER MR. & MRS. MICHAEL BEEPER MRS. S. BLANK MR. & MRS. MAX BONFELD I MR. & MRS. PETER GAPRARI t MR. & MRS. IRWIN S. CASPER MR. & MRS. LEO J. COGAN MR. & MRS. ALBERT B. COHEN MR. & MRS. HERBERT CRANE ELEANOR & WILLIAM DELMAN MR. & MRS. MURRY DRUCKER MRS. HILDA ESCOBAR MR. & MRS. IRL FLANAGAN JR. MARILYN & JOSEPH FRIER f RICHARD A. FUHRMAN MR. & MRS. IRA J. GREENHILL RUTH, HENRY & ROBERT HAMMER RUTH & BERTRAM HARNETT RUTH & LEONARD HARVEY MRS. MARY E. HASKINS SONYA HERSHBERG DR. & MRS. JOSEPH HIMES &to SCOTT HO YE MR. & MRS. SIDNEY KALIKOW MRS. STEFANOS G. KALOGERAS MR. & RICHARD H. KELLY MRS. IRVING KING I
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NOW YOU ARE READY TO BEGIN A NEW LIFE. AS YOU DO TAKE WITH YOU OUR BEST WISHES FOR CONTINUED SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS ALWAYS. CONGRATULATIONS GRADUATES. I
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My good wishes to the Class of 1978 and to the school which has meant so much to my special graduate.
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GOOD LUCK, CLASS OF 1978 We're with you when it counts . . . CROSSING THE BAR Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no foaming of the bar, When I put out to sea,
Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness of farewell, When I embark; ,
But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home
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THE STAFF OF CONSCIENCE EXTENDS CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CLASS OF 1978 -CONSCIENCE Hofstra University School of-Law, Hempstead, N.Y. 11550 Volume 5, Number 4 November 18,1977 "Asking You to Ask Yourselves" American Bar Association Law Student Division, Class A Category 1st Prize, 1974 Best Law School Newspaper Staart Rosenthal Editor-in-Criie/ Managing Editor Associate Editors Contributing Editors Business Manager
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{-fj-CONSCIENCE Hofstra University School of Law, Hempstead, N.Y. 11550 Volume 5, Number 6 February 13,1978 "Asking You to Ash Yourselves" American Bar Association taw Student Division, Class A Category 1st Prize. 1S74 Best Law School Newspaper Nechama Masliansky Editor-in-Chie/ Managing Editors Jay Bans, Robert Ginsburg Business Manager William Cherno C o n t r i b u t i n g Editors Jon Bramnick, Wayne Leibert, Vicki Lindgren, Thomas J. Mattingly, Rick Shaffer, Gary Small STAFF A.S. Ben-Merre, Sandra Blank, Guido Gabriele, Stu Goldfarb, Vic Grossman, Bingo Knightly, Joyce Lipton, Vickie Lombard!, Paul Senzer.
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OUR TURN And now, dear faculty, some parting shots: To Professor Champlin To Professor Gregory To Professor Kessler To Professor Diamond To Professor Mahon , • „. To Professor Kadane To Profess® ftefM ST ' To Professor Rabinowitz To Professor Resnitk''"' To Professor Freedman To President Shuart To Professor Angel To Professor Schmertz To Dean Monter To Professor Agata To Professor Ginsberg To Professor Posin To Professor Filler To Professor Friedman To Professor Soloff To Professor Hirschson To Professor Lane To Professor Rush To Professor Ordover To Professor Silverman To Professor Wypyski
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