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MEET THE PRESS think Europe is doing enough. But I don't feel for them when they say that theAmericans are doing Europe's job in defending Europe. What theAmericans are in Europe for is to defend the United States. Because they know perfectly well that if Western Europe disappeared from the map under Soviet domination, their own security would be very much at risk. So, what

they are doing is defending themselves by defending us.

QUESTION: You're talkingaboutdefence. But if there is to be defence, there must be a threat, Couldyou pleaseexplain tousNato's perception of what the threat is. It would appeâr that Nato thinks that the Russians aren't just defending their own frontiers. But are they still bent on world domination or world communism? If we got rid of Nato altogether, and have, perhaps, a European defence union with the Americans, would this necessarily be inviting the Russians right into the coast of the Atlantic?

CARRINGTON: How do I know? I haven't the faintest idea. This is really what I mean. It seems to me that the threat is because the Soviet

The one thing you must never do in an arms controlnegotiation is toenter into an agreement which is not verifiable. Because ifyou do, you are actually creating more distrust and doing worse than in not entering into the agreement at all. Theway togetridof all this, is tocreate asort of trust and get rid ofthemeans whereby any threat could be made against you. And the way you dothat is through arms control. And the way you get arms control is by doing itfairly slowly and fairly sensibly and absolutely verifiably. It isn't any good in my judgement just making a sweeping political statement saying there's no threat when you know that there are twice as many Soviet troops on the other side and three tlmes as many tanks and God knows what else. And until they are moved, I'm going to be very careful indeed that I don't ask the Americans to leave or spend less money on defence.

QUESTION: In looking at the danger of Russia to the West, how do you see the relationship between Russiaand Chinaaffecting the West?

CARRINGTON: I wouldthink thatoneofthe reasons for some sort of rapprochement be-

body's judgement, is necessary for their own defence. And that every year, even now, they have more and more. What's it all for? Now, there are all sorts of explanations for maybe you've got amilitary bureaucracy it, - running the Soviet treasury, unlike what that's happens in the United Kingdom, where thepoor old Ministry of Defencedoesn'texactly runthe Treasury. Maybe, they're just making a mistake, maybe they're just scared of us for no reason. I don't know what the reason is. All I know is that the military capacity on the other side is so great that we would be very foolish indeed not to have regard to it.

tween the Chinese and the Russians now is that the Russians feel that they've got to get stabi lity on their borders. How far it will go, I don't know. But I would suspect that it wiìl be a very long time before the Chinese regard the Russians as the sort of partners that they used to regard them before they had theirquarrel. And, ofcourse, a great deal wi I I depend upon whether or not MrGorbachev's reforms are successful. If not, you get the "conservatives" back in the

Soviet Union. Then, maybe, there will be a fellow feeling among the "conservatives" in China. Idon'tknow. Butlwould havethought that it's notvery likely in the future that you will

get some sort of situation between the Soviet Union and the Chinese which would be a threat to any of us.

QUESTION: You mentioned the Soviet threat in terms of Russia east of the Urals and the challenge of local nationalities, Lithuania, Estonia and so on. But the European attitude seems largely to be summed up by to what extent is Chiria's liberalisation being affected by Gorbachev. Well, in fact, historically it's very much the other way around. And what happened post-1972. Nixon visit to China was that China had something to respond to and was given various things by a ratherenthusiasticAmerica. The attitude that you have summed up on

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behalf of Europe and Nato, is rather unimaginative and ultra-cautious and Gorbachev is not going to have any bones to

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throw to his conservatives and generals and that might accelerate his downfall and failrure. Would you care to comment?

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unimaginative. And I think when you're concerned with your own security you might be well-advised to be cautious and unimaginative, and practical and pragmatic. I don't think that what I've said means that we don't help Mr Gorbachev in economic terms. You have to be fairly careful about how you do it. The stupidest thing to do would be to help him in economic terms in a way which would allow him to go on spending money on rnilitary things and avoid having to do his own research and development or whatever it might be. To sum it up, I would much rather have a fat Russian than I would have a thin Russian. Because I think that a thin Russian is more dangerous than a fat Russian. The fat Russian has got more to lose.

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