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"general interest" of us all, that it is important and useful to access our medical data, etc. Everyone will agree with that. Jacques Attali makes some interesting remarks about it in his A Brief History of the Future (Une Brève histoire du futur). The insurance companies will refuse to insure people who don't have the implanted chip be­ cause they won't be able to access their medical data. All of a sud­ den, it's a breach opened inside our bodies. These chips will be put in us and behind the information that seems necessary, other data will be loaded, bit by bit.

cannot allow this type of control… this assumption of power over us.

T.E. - An omnipresent and omnip­ otent power! In the 1980s, I creat­ ed a work of art that represented a DNA molecule. At the time, apart from the scientific community, the general public had few notions about DNA. I explained at the time that one day DNA would become a universal tracer and that it would reveal information about our per­ sonal histories. Not just in the bi­ ological domain, but also in the field of the human psyche. And of course people thought I was crazy. Today it's different. As I said ear­ L.C. - A classic Trojan Horse situalier, we have acquired a certain le­ tion … gitimacy. I have found a text from 1991 for the third opus of the Abode of L.Z. - The chip could end up con­ Chaos regarding an Internet in­ taining all kinds of information on your personality, your sexuali­ tervention, and all I have to do is ty, your 'personal history'. And you cut and paste it today. Nothing will be scanned, exposed, stripped has changed. It's there. I remem­ of your intimacy and your person­ ber a time in the 1990s when a DNA analysis cost the examining ality in just a few seconds. magistrate around 4000 euros. I read recently that the same anal­ T.E. - and the irony is that when ysis today costs the police rough­ we decide to put implants in our bodies, people call us every kind of ly 30 euros. They use them today for crimes as banal as the theft of freak imaginable. And yet our ad­ a letter box. vances and our research only rep­ resents a tiny fraction of what the We therefore have an econom­ ic cost approach to crime manage­ State is doing… ment. I was also regarded as being nuts at the time; but now people L.Z. - We are still in Hacking the understand. Even amongst our Future. When I implanted my critics there are those who recog­ RFID chi into my hand everyone nise that we prefigured a num­ went berserk. And yet it is a tech­ ber of things are happening today. nology that is on its way. It has And strange though it may seem, been announced. We need to un­ derstand and be able to apprehend amongst our supporters there are many older and even elderly peo­ for the day when we will need it. ple. So that we can take the chip out, hack into it… and put it back. We

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L.C. - Can you tell us a little more about the Deep Web that you mentioned earlier? T.E. - Yes, few people know what it is. As you both know, Internet started at an associative and non commercial level and then began to be used for commercial pur­ poses (which is not a bad thing in itself) when the major corpora­ tions discovered the interest that Internet presented. However, very quickly we saw the development of national intranets, particularly in South-East Asia and a number of distinctly undemocratic countries. The first were, if I remember right­ ly, in South Korea and Singapore. These countries introduce very broadband Internet, but totally controlled. Closed within a kind of digital frontier. In effect, contrary to current assumptions, all the major countries of the planet pos­ sess an intranet. France does not, for example, have a free protocol. We are under a government con­ trolled intranet. In other words, as soon as we go out via Worldcom, Colt, Oléane or elsewhere, we are in fact going through an IP address filter. As the IP address allows a to­ tal filtering, it can be used to po­ lice whatever we want. So, a number of scientists and hackers started to entertain the idea of a Deep Web which would be a magnitude, a distortion, a dis­ harmony between IP numbers. A bit like when we used to make telephone calls on the old switch­ boards of the 1975-80 era, when the network passed between two tones when you dialled a bank that didn't reply. The Deep Web, it's a sort of spatial-temporal gap, a pe­ riod between two known relay sta­

tions. This takes us far beyond the 'associative' Internet. That's bullshit. We are already looking for ways so that hackers and peo­ ple who want to live will be able to escape. This Deep Web will there­ fore emerge because … there is no choice.

the crime. And for that, we need to prevent. And to prevent, we need legislative tools, notably, IT tools. It's a security method. Minority Report is therefore spot on. L.C. - What is the link between IP addresses and the prescience of "criminal" acts?

L.C. - Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the problem that every home computer will have an IP address in the near future?

T.E. - When we get IP address­ es that police automated equip­ ment and IT tools of all kinds, they will provide a tagging of ev­ T.E. - Exactly. The IPGN6 [IPV6, IP erything you do. Using specially programmed algorithms, the au­ generation 6] allows ten, exhibit­ ing thirty-eight IP numbers, which thorities will be able to say that will allow us the attribution of an Laurent Courau already has a IP address to every piece of robot­ plan… is in some "pre-act" phase, ic, home automation and IT equip­ and that this individual consti­ ment. By 2010-2012 an estimated tutes a distinct danger for our so­ 120 to 150 billion IP addresses will ciety… that he is about to "execute a planned crime". be operational. After that, the magistrate will just have to get him to admit that the L.C. - Which implies that with the criminal act was already a fact "in policing of IP addresses the authorities will be able to interrupt the func- his head". Just as art is conceptu­ tioning of a specific tool in someone's al, it's a mental construction. And legislators in both Europe and in home... North America today "recognize" that the criminal act is located in T.E. - Exactly… and it goes even the mind and no longer in the ma­ further than that. It's just like in terialisation of the act itself. Minority Report. As much an el­ ement of positive law as a legal L.C. - Which leads to what Maurice doctrine or a legislative tool, au­ Dantec said when discussing the end thorities will be able to anticipate the execution of a planned "crime". of the human adventure in an interview of December 1999… In a number of texts that are cur­ rently circulating in Europe and the United States, actually "com­ T.E. - Yes, exactly. And it's precise­ mitting a crime", which for four ly for that reason that we bust our centuries was the "consummation" balls here thinking up new adven­ of the criminal fact, no longer ex­ tures. (laughter) ists. We can now be guilty of "an­ ticipation committing a crime". L.C. - Speaking of Minority Report The media message we are now and of its principle of divination, hearing is that we do not commit when we were talking about the a crime and we are only 'contain' art works on the Abode, you said


Opus IX: Abode of Chaos / La Demeure du Chaos 1999-2013  

thierry Ehrmann: we put all our passion and folly into preparing this French-English Collector, the book of the decade: 504 pages / 4.5 kg /...

Opus IX: Abode of Chaos / La Demeure du Chaos 1999-2013  

thierry Ehrmann: we put all our passion and folly into preparing this French-English Collector, the book of the decade: 504 pages / 4.5 kg /...