Intervention demonstration katherine robertson transcript

INTERVENTION DEMONSTRATION TRANSCRIPT – Katherine Robertson

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TRANSCRIPT Sharon: What is it you want more of?

Katherine: To get myself back to where I was five years ago and just----Sharon: And what was that?

Katherine: Just not have boundaries. To actually explore things and feel happy with who I was.

Sharon: What happened five years ago?

Katherine: It’s a relationship.

Sharon: That you’re still in?

Katherine: No. Sharon: Okay. And you’d like to experience more what?

Katherine: Just moving beyond it.

Sharon: Yeah. I just want you guys to notice how this client is smiling as they want to cry. So still trying to please as they’re feeling sorrow, guys. That’s how entrenched it is. So you just want to move on. That’s a moving away thing, that’s not a high enough standard. If you’d moved on, what would you have?

Katherine: I have many things, I have just happiness.

Sharon: Just happiness? (0:01:26) really cool shit. So I’m seeing someone who’s over-functioning right now. So what are you noticing about me? What are you noticing about me? Where am I? I’m under-functioning. I’m much more slouchy and I’m saying the word “shit”. Guys, come on, notice this stuff.

Yeah.

Sharon: So I’m seeing someone who’s unclear on how to articulate feelings and stuff that matters so I’m going to be really the opposite; I’m going to give her an example of what to model, that isn’t hung up about that. So what is it you want to have if this was resolved?

Katherine: Again, to be a great example to the kids and just be----Sharon: And what would be in that for you? What would that mean for you?

Katherine: That I’d also be happy. I might be looking for opportunities and really working with people so that the good in me can be shared.

Sharon: Yeah. Which is your natural, isn’t it?

Katherine: Yeah.

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Sharon: It is also a role, but it is also your natural, that you’re a good person, that you want to help other people. That’s very natural. Do you get – some of it’s a role but some of it – even if it hadn’t been imposed on her to be a good girl she would’ve been good and kind and (0:02:43). Do you get that’s her natural?

Yes. Sharon: But it’s been very – it’s been encouraged at the expense of other roles to an extent where it’s all of it a denial of self. Do you get that?

Katherine: Yes, I do.

Sharon: Yeah, great. So would you like us to hang out for a little bit and do some stuff and shit?

Katherine: Yes, please.

Sharon: You would? Great (0:03:02) come on down. This is one I prepared earlier.

You do get the shiny one (0:03:13). That’s awesome.

Katherine: I’m not allowed to sit like this.

Sharon: Yeah, exactly. Good for you. How did that feel yesterday when I gave you that feedback?

Katherine: I was actually not conscious of it.

Sharon: Of course.

Katherine: You know, it was probably more that [I’m cold], but then I realised I am – I’m inconsistent sometimes, yeah, it’s all about me (0:03:43) doing the right thing.

Sharon: Have you got an internal checklist of if you’re doing the right thing and saying the right thing? Are you comparing yourself constantly? I used to have this checklist, like how’s that going across – how’s that coming across? You’re just constantly observing how it’s coming across.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: You do that?

Katherine: It’s exhausting.

Sharon: It is exhausting. That’s a lot of energy. How much energy do you put into doing that?

Katherine: A lot of energy.

Sharon: A lot of energy. Out of 100 per cent of your energy, what percentage does it take to maintain all the----Katherine: Well it’s been high recently, would be 80 per cent.

Sharon: Nearly all of your energy.

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Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: And what do you do with the 20 per cent that’s floating about? I’m going to take some notes, if that’s okay. I want to make sure I’m----Katherine: Sure. Well what’s feeling unnatural at the moment is that I’ve just – I’m also criticising myself, relax, just be who you are naturally.

Sharon: It’s wanting to break through, isn’t it? I think it’s also your natural. It wants to break through, it’s just been suppressed. How long has it been suppressed for?

Katherine: Well very interestingly, starting coaching has made me realise it’s probably been all my life.

Sharon: Yeah. Sharp focus five years ago, but I reckon you might have chosen that partner. Where do you think I’m going with this? Yeah. Have a go. Tell me about why you chose that partner? Now you know what you know. Not because you fell in love or anything like that, it wasn’t that.

Katherine: There’s a determination in me to change things, make things right.

Sharon: Yep. Fix him?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. And how’d that work out for you?

Katherine: Not well.

Sharon: No. Were they abusive?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Yeah. And neglectful of you?

Katherine: In some ways.

Sharon: Yeah. Tell me the pattern. Was it addiction?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Yeah. So basically they were neglectful of you. Do you understand when you have a relationship with an addict you have a relationship with an addiction, not a person? Do you know that?

Katherine: I don’t think I really understood it.

Sharon: Yeah. So they were neglectful of you. How did they neglect you? How did they not meet your need for significance?

Katherine: It was just inconsistency. So a feeling of deep love (0:06:21) it was abusive.

Sharon: Okay. In your childhood did you experience love with abuse?

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Katherine: I experienced no love from my mother but father very close. But then when my brother was born it was like I was nothing, was always in trouble, so – and, yeah, I know there was a really happy, fantastic child there that was really cheeky and I know there’s that person within.

Sharon: Awesome.

Katherine: But she was----Sharon: She was discouraged.

Katherine: She was controlled----Sharon: Oh yeah.

Katherine: -----(0:07:17) regulations.

Sharon: So which parent did you identify with the most? Who was your lead parent?

Katherine: My father.

Sharon: Your father? Yep. And what was it that – and this is where I’ll take some notes because this will become useful – what was it – did you see the photo? You should see. It’s my mum and my sister painting. Do you love that?

Katherine: I love it.

Sharon: It’s wonderful. So you tried harder for your dad and who did you need to be with your dad?

Katherine: I could be myself with my dad up until about six.

Sharon: Yep. Tell me about that. So who were you encouraged to be around your dad when the game got changed?

Katherine: Changed? I was just naughty then.

Sharon: So you became naughty?

Katherine: Yeah, because I was an attention-seeker.

Sharon: Yeah. So let me ask the question again. With your dad who did you need to be? To get his love, who did you need to be?

Katherine: I had to misbehave.

Sharon: Really?

Katherine: Yeah. I mean I’d get smacked.

Sharon: So you didn’t get attention for being good or fitting in or going along?

Katherine: Yeah, I’d do chores and I’d get attention from almost doing the right thing rather than-----

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Sharon: Rather than? Keep going. I want to know. This will be the first time you ever discussed this. Go crazy, Hun, this is your show. I’m into it.

Katherine: Okay, yeah, it was inconsistent because I had – I was a very friendly kid and I’d round up the kids in the neighbourhood and play games at my place and I’d always do something that would get me into trouble and I didn’t understand that so I’d sit in my room.

Sharon: Wow. That’s so not you.

Katherine: No. (0:09:16) all these thoughts.

Sharon: Yeah. I can see that. Keep making the connections. You can share them or not, but I can see you’re making connections. So which role was encouraged in you?

Katherine: Just the good girl.

Sharon: The good girl. Okay, I’m going to put that in caps. And with the good girl it was getting approval? Trying to but never being able to measure up?

Katherine: Yeah. So I would go off and – I did a paper round when I was seven or eight and I worked at the milk bar and I did everything to try to be independent and do the right thing, be responsible.

Sharon: And what weren’t you allowed to be? Who weren’t you allowed to be?

Katherine: I didn’t understand, that’s the thing. I didn’t understand who I had to be.

I actually (0:10:24) recently where I actually expressed I don’t understand what I do wrong all the time, I’m always in trouble.

Sharon: How old were you right there?

Katherine: About 12 – about 10, 12, yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. Wow. A lot of awareness for someone young. Yeah. So were you allowed to be opinionated?

Katherine: Absolutely not.

Sharon: Now we’re getting there. So banned was opinionated. And how did they go with – I’ll help you, but you’ll get the hang of this pretty quick, where were you on the feeling? What feelings weren’t allowed? There you go. So anger. Sadness.

How am I doing?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: What else wasn’t allowed? Were you allowed to be happy?

Katherine: No. Sharon: Okay, so (0:11:14). What feelings were allowed? What did your dad approve of? What was encouraged in terms of feelings? No.

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Katherine: Saying the right thing.

Sharon: What thoughts were allowed or not allowed?

Katherine: No thoughts.

Sharon: No thoughts allowed?

Katherine: No. Seen and not heard.

Sharon: Seen and not heard. Yep. And you knew that, didn’t you? (0:11:40) conscious of – yeah. What about the other parent? Your mum?

Katherine: There’s another story there.

Sharon: Yeah. So what was allowed?

Katherine: Nothing. I can remember as a kid wanting to do ballet, wanting to try all these things and I was told that I was too clumsy and fat.

Sharon: By your mum?

Katherine: Mmm. Sharon: Wow. Okay. So not allowed. Was - anything would have given you joy.

Katherine: Yeah, just being loved actually. As simple as that.

Sharon: Yeah, thank you. Did she say she loved you or not?

Katherine: No. Sharon: No. Okay.

Katherine: She still can’t.

Sharon: No. She’s about as wounded as it gets.

Katherine: Yeah, she is.

Sharon: Do you tell your kids you love them?

Katherine: Absolutely.

Sharon: Of course you do. People are our lessons, or examples, and she was a lesson.

Katherine: Yeah, she is. I’ve tried to help her, she doesn’t----Sharon: Let’s focus here. You do. So is there anything else that wasn’t allowed?

Because I know you’re saying you imprinted more with your dad, but it seems like your mum’s the one that caused the----Katherine: Interesting I probably just blanked that out.

Sharon: Yeah, of course.

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Katherine: But Dad gave me love at least.

Sharon: Yeah. But to me – is it seeming this way to you too – that your mum’s the one that been controlling you? Well you weren’t allowed to be loved, you weren’t allowed to do what gave you joy.

Katherine: I think I’m just trying to be nothing like my mother.

Sharon: Yeah. Yeah, wow. So who do you dislike (0:13:41)? No one, you’re a good girl. But if you were.

Katherine: My mother.

Sharon: You dislike your mother?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Tell me about your mother. What are her characteristics?

Katherine: She’s very lost.

Sharon: Lost?

Katherine: Yeah, but she is just----Sharon: How does that make you feel?

Katherine: I wish she was there for me. But she has taught me at least not – I think I’ve done a sensational job with allowing my children to be independent and be themselves and----Sharon: Do the dance class.

Katherine: Yeah. And just love life. They’re really happy, successful kids. She has taught me a lesson, yeah.

Sharon: That’s great. So who else do you dislike and why? Anyone else in the world?

Katherine: I’d say myself sometimes.

Sharon: Yeah, let’s go outside into the world.

Katherine: Okay.

Sharon: Yeah. Thank you for that, and, yes, I acknowledge it. It just says here in my notes who out in the world do you dislike, so----Katherine: Okay. (0:15:01) relationship with for six years.

Sharon: Was he lost?

Katherine: Absolutely.

Sharon: Did he have similar characteristics to your mother?

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Katherine: No. No. Sharon: He was lost. So was your mother. Your words.

Katherine: Yes, so true.

Sharon: Seeing some parallels?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. Self-absorbed?

Katherine: Mmm-hmm.

Sharon: You’re getting me to close up around that, it’s like, “Shit, I don’t want that to be true. I married my mother? Just change the subject.” So self-absorbed, lost, not giving you the love that you wanted. Do you see other parallels? We tend to be attracted to that which we want to repel the most.

Katherine: Okay. Yep, interesting because I saw in him some adventure taking me out of the good girl.

Sharon: So adventure is something you liked about him?

Katherine: Yeah. I could see that I believed we were a really good team in that his strengths were different to mine and we helped one another initially, but it became then a distraction.

Sharon: So what else did you like about him? There was adventure and – in the beginning before I went to (0:16:35).

Katherine: Just love.

Sharon: That’s your core, isn’t it, love?

Katherine: It is.

Sharon: That is your core.

Katherine: Yeah, love and connection.

Sharon: So yeah, definitely. So what was the primary role you were taught? Good girl?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Any others?

Katherine: It was just to behave. Was just, well, (0:17:15).

Sharon: Not swear.

Katherine: Yeah, I can remember as a little kid I was second class – there was a girl who was being annoying and I just said to her, you know, go away, as kids do, and it became a huge ordeal of, “You’re a troublemaker.” Our parents all got together

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and actually I remember this as a time where I wasn’t being unkind, but I was talking for the group and, you know, as kids do, they say how they feel.

Sharon: And that was punished?

Katherine: It was severely punished.

Sharon: What a betrayal. It’s a betrayal of you, of who you were.

Katherine: Yeah, I just – I was saying what everyone else didn’t want to say and I mean my mother was so angry and the whole thing is – she didn’t hear my side of it.

Sharon: Thank you. How old were you?

Katherine: Second class would’ve been seven or eight.

Sharon: Imagine what it’s done to your boundaries. You would’ve internalised that as (0:19:08).

Katherine: Not being able to speak up.

Sharon: I see you clench your lips when you say that. Do you see that?

Katherine: No, I didn’t realise.

Sharon: Yeah. Did you guys see that?

Yes. Sharon: It’s like, don’t speak up. Where are you on the word “fuck”?

Katherine: When I was working in----Sharon: There’s a story.

Katherine: I’m inconsistent. Yeah, when I was working with builders and, yeah, became a word (0:19:46).

Sharon: Yeah. Well you’re quite adaptable. Yeah, you’re quite adaptable.

Katherine: Yeah. So (0:19:58) at the moment, no, it’s not comfortable.

Sharon: Yeah, okay. I’m just testing to see what your boundaries are like. Because fuck is like a delightful word to a four year old and we get buttoned down and we start repressing and rejecting, but, you know, to a child it’s delightful. You learn fuck and everyone gets shocked and it’s like wow (0:20:14). It’s just a way of having power and I just want to see where you were on power and being powerful. How does power sit with you and being powerful? Yeah, just rejection. The lips are down again, it’s like, “Sharon, you’re talking fucking Swahili, stop it.” Got it. Got it. So you described a primary role as good girl, is that what you’d name her?

Katherine: Yeah, primary role, yes.

Sharon: As good girl? Is that – it’d be good girl. Is there another name you would give her?

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Katherine: I’m thinking weak.

Sharon: Sure. It’s up to you. What name would you have been – what name was bestowed on her? Just ask your own conscious and trust it.

Katherine: Just not being (0:21:14).

Sharon: So fake?

Katherine: Yeah, just (0:21:21). Restricted.

Sharon: Great. You’re doing great. So can you name her, please, if she had a – that’s a part of you.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: So is she the good girl, is she the fake?

Katherine: Well can I tell you a story?

Sharon: Of course you can.

Katherine: I did have this character, her name is Jan. Sharon: And Jan was the?

Katherine: Bad girl. I was the good girl.

Sharon: I’m going to like this. There’s a bad girl there. We knew that.

Katherine: Yeah, and every time I was in trouble it wasn’t me, I tried to make a joke of it, but it didn’t work.

Sharon: Yeah. No one else got it. Just send Jan over there and it’s like, it’s not working. So tell me about the primary role though. So how would you describe her?

Is she called good girl in your mind? Just name her. What is she called? If good girl doesn’t work, what is it that primary role that was encouraged and rewarded and was clearly what was designated for you?

Katherine: Yeah, it was always to be well behaved so, yeah, the good girl.

Sharon: The good girl?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah, great. Okay. So stay there. And I’m wondering if we were to draw who you are now - good girl’s the primary in the middle? The role, yeah.

Katherine: The pleaser.

Sharon: The pleaser. Thank you. Yeah, well done. Yeah. So we’ll change that from good girl to pleaser.

Katherine: Yeah.

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Sharon: Yeah, great. And secondary? Don’t even describe it as a role, it can just be, you know, just preferred.

Katherine: Just I’m thinking do things right.

Sharon: Do things right? Is that related to this or – we can just add it. Sorry?

Katherine: Needing to be certain.

Sharon: Does it cross over a little bit? Does it touch?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: It touches? About like that?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Great. And certainty as well?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Needing to be certain.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Does that touch the other two or just the one?

Katherine: More do things right. It’s definitely----Sharon: It’s up here like that?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah, what else?

Katherine: It’s just repressing myself.

Sharon: Yeah, it is. Is that – am I writing that in here or where am I putting it?

Katherine: No, it’s (0:23:40).

Sharon: How’s that looking? Anything else? You’re doing great.

Katherine: No, it’s just that I’m grateful to be here because it’s been so hard.

Sharon: Good on you. I feel grateful, gratitude, where would you like that to be?

Katherine: I want it to be on the outside.

Sharon: So you want it to be here trying to get in?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: I love it. Wow, you know you. That’s epic. Grateful to be here. I see where we’re going, don’t we. It’s lovely. Anything else?

Katherine: (0:24:32) love.

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Sharon: Yeah. Where’s that?

Katherine: It’s right over the whole thing.

Sharon: How am I doing?

Katherine: Yep. Sharon: Yep. What else?

Katherine: Now you’ve written that everything else is fading.

Sharon: Good on you. So what we’re going to do now – how would you like it to be? What do we put in the middle? Go forward in time. It’s resolved, you’re being who you want to be, you’re racing your inner truth. How – help me create it. Do you want to do it?

Katherine: Yes, please.

Sharon: Yeah, of course. Go for it. We have some colours.

Katherine: That’s me.

Sharon: Here, I’ll hold it for you. You don’t have to fix stuff, I’ll do it. Awesome. Add the T because I’m OCD and you’re helping me (0:26:08). It’s great. Where’s love?

There we go. I love it. It’s awesome. Love and connection, gratitude and growth, wonderful. I’m running out of colours but we can----Katherine: This is a weird thing.

Sharon: Need all of them.

Katherine: Watch this.

Sharon: Okay.

Katherine: (0:27:06).

Sharon: Let’s give it a go, it’s your creativity.

Katherine: Because once this is there that’s----Sharon: (0:27:36) just so I know.

Katherine: That’s an arrow.

Sharon: Oh that’s an arrow. It is an arrow. And what about the playfulness you talked about when you were a kid, where’s that? Do you mind me suggesting? Is that- because it was very important to you as a child, it was the dance and playfulness.

Katherine: Actually that’s----Sharon: [Add it to it]. Oh wow. I’m feeling it. I’m getting emotional. And what about the dance? The child and the dancing? Where’s that? How’s that

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represented? However you choose. It doesn’t have to make it, but it seemed important.

Katherine: That comes into really this outer circle, so it’s just being me.

Sharon: That’s me. So you at your core is joy and playfulness and dance?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: That’s amazing. How does that feel?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Anything else?

Katherine: It’s almost just like it’s limitless.

Sharon: Wonderful.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Does each have [areas] going out? Is there a way you want to do that?

Katherine: And it’s also other people.

Sharon: Yeah, I’m seeing now the expansion and the possibilities. Is there a way you would like to represent that? Where are you on drawing birds?

Katherine: Stars.

Sharon: Yeah, please. We need other colours. Do we have glitter? We do. Can I have some glitter as well for today? Yeah, now we’re going.

Katherine: Doesn’t matter.

Sharon: Oh wow, listen to that. That’s awesome. That’s a thing. I like it. It’s totally a thing.

Katherine: That’s important.

Sharon: This is epic.

Katherine: (0:30:42).

Sharon: Yeah. It really suits you as well. Yeah. Great. How’s that sit? With glitter.

Katherine: Yes, with glitter.

Sharon: Of course. I do understand that. We’ll get some glitter and some glue (0:31:03). We can keep playing but----Katherine: Yeah – no, it’s just having fun.

Sharon: So just stay there and I want to show you something.

Katherine: Yeah, it’s pretty dark. It’s actually (0:31:22).

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Sharon: Yeah, I think you’re right. It’s an area that’s been left off.

Katherine: Yep. Sharon: Yeah. Shall I leave this one showing? Okay, so can we do the next bit, please? Are you cool to keep going?

Katherine: Yeah, because what I’m not understanding is why this keeps coming back and I don’t want it to.

Sharon: No, I get that. Absolutely. I can tell. So what we’re going to do is the next part. You’re doing great. You’re going to sit down, but you, Katherine, aren’t going to sit down, the good girl is. And I’m going to talk to the good girl. Her and I are going to have a chat. So only sit down when you’re totally----Katherine: No, I’m ready.

Sharon: And in fact you’ve changed the name from good girl to people pleaser, or what do I call her? What do I call you?

Katherine: She’s such an (0:32:30).

Sharon: She is you, so don’t sit down until you are that role.

Katherine: Okay.

Sharon: So stand up and it’s not a she now, you’re not Katherine when you sit down, you’re the role, and how do I address her?

Katherine: She’s a good girl more than a people pleaser because in being the good girl she pleases everyone else but herself.

Sharon: Okay. So if the good girl can sit down, only when you’re going to sit like the good girl.

Katherine: Yep. Sharon: So I’m talking to the good girl. Thank you. You there? Great. Thank you.

Thank you for turning up and thank you for keeping Katherine safe all those years.

You protected her all these years.

Katherine: (0:33:52).

Sharon: Yeah. You did your best for her. Yeah. And you did what you needed to do because you loved her. You needed to show up. You need to get that, good girl. You needed to show up to protect Katherine from the experience she had. You haven’t been thanked, have you? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I see you, the good girl, doing what you needed to do. You couldn’t have done anything else. No. You were trapped. Katherine was trapped, you could see she was trapped. You did remarkably. You were a child with Katherine and you did all that, you figured that out.

Katherine: I was just trying to bring love to (0:35:23).

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Sharon: Yeah. It took so much energy. Not knowing which way the walls were going to go. All that energy. What was your [preference]? To bring love? That’s so normal.

Katherine: I was trying to help (0:36:19).

Sharon: I’m acknowledging you for that.

Katherine: (0:36:24).

Sharon: No. Yep. You’re seeing it, aren’t you? Yeah. All that energy. How much thinking have you put into – can you acknowledge yourself, good girl, for trying so hard and working so hard for Katherine and for the family?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Good girls don’t try, they do what they’re told, so you can do that, you can acknowledge yourself. True?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Because you’re a good girl. You’ve taken up a lot of space for a long time.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Yes, you have. And in the beginning you had a function and you were needed. Katherine needed you. You get that, don’t you, you’ve made that connection, yes?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Yeah. You’ve grown up and you’re still taking up all this space, and I get it.

You’ve been the primary role that Katherine’s relied on all these years.

Katherine: [It’s suffocating].

Sharon: Yeah. And you didn’t mean to suffocate her, did you? That was not your intention. And I get you can see that’s what you’ve been doing. But how would you know what to do? You were developed as a child.

Katherine: Yeah. It’s not (0:38:23).

Sharon: Yeah. And I’m wondering, the denied parts of Katherine, perhaps you suffocated them a little bit and pushed them away. You didn’t mean to. You’ve been busy, you’ve been the boss. And I’m wondering would you be willing to consider, good girl, having a couple of the other parts come out and see what they can offer because I think you need some support. Everything has its time, everything has its season and you were needed when you were there and I’m wondering if there’s a season now for the dancer and playful maybe. Could we have a – would you be okay if we did that?

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Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: We’re not doing anything permanent, I just – I would love to meet a couple of these other parts that perhaps you’ve been protecting as well and guarding and let’s see what they have to offer. Maybe they can help you.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Would that be okay?

Katherine: That would be great.

Sharon: It would be. It really would be. So what’s another part do you think that perhaps – so where’s - the good girl’s located where in your body? Where are you right now? Right there? Yeah. Okay so what’s a part perhaps that has not really had much of a voice for a while?

Katherine: Just the passionate----Sharon: Passionate?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: I love that it’s just the passionate. Let’s see what passion has to say about that. Would you be okay if we invited that part of Katherine here now and met passion? Is that what we call her?

Katherine: Yes, please.

Sharon: You’re amazing. So I’m going to say for a good girl you’re incredibly inclusive and loving. You get that? It’s not how it always is. You’re incredibly inclusive. So if you can take my hand I’m going to invite you to leave the chair and you’re going to now sit in my chair, but you’re only going to sit down when you’re passion.

Katherine: Okay.

Sharon: Yeah, wow, welcome. You’re passion?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: How are you?

Katherine: (0:41:01).

Sharon: Yeah, how are you feeling?

Katherine: I just feel free.

Sharon: Yeah, it’s wonderful.

Katherine: I’m going to try things.

Sharon: Yeah, good on you. And I’m wondering, your hair is kind of done up and you look a lot like good girl to me. I’m wondering would you look a little different? Is

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there anything----Katherine: [Stay tuned]. Let it out, girl.

Sharon: Yeah. So, passion, how are you? How you feeling?

Katherine: I feel great.

Sharon: How would passion be sitting?

Katherine: Not like this.

Sharon: Yeah, so would you like to stand up again? So turn it up. So give me your hand, so the dancer, sit down and be passion. What would you be doing? Passion.

Passion. Passion. So how would you move? Exactly. Passion. (0:42:03) please.

You’re going to be me, I’m going to be you. So show me passion. Feel it. Feel it.

(0:42:27) passion. I’m so into you right now. Feel it. How does that feel? Yeah, welcome. Passion’s turned up.

Katherine: (0:42:49).

Sharon: Yeah, exactly. She has a lot of great qualities, passion, can you see she has----Katherine: Actually she does.

Sharon: She really does.

Katherine: She teaches me lots of things.

Sharon: She does. She’s been a wonderful guide over these years of protector.

Almost mother. A mother you wish you had.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yes. Katherine: Thank you.

Sharon: Yes. Katherine: (0:43:12.

Sharon: Yeah, she’s – that’s who she’s been trying to be, the good girl’s been trying to give you that.

Katherine: Yeah, but she doesn’t want – she takes the pain.

Sharon: Yeah. She protects you. So you’re her little sister. Where are you residing in the body, in Katherine’s body? Right of course. Do you feel that?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. And tell me about passion. What’s your purpose?

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Katherine: It is to actually be really vulnerable, to learn things and, yeah, just – it’s, again, connection.

Sharon: There it is. Are you feeling it?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. And how much space in Katherine’s body do you have percentage wise, do you think or feel?

Katherine: There’s only a tiny bit----Sharon: Yeah. So you’re letting it just be in your body right now.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. And can you tell me – so your purpose is to feel – what’s your purpose?

Katherine: My purpose is to – stepping in here has made me realise that my purpose is to really get to know people and to let them grow.

Sharon: Yeah. So your purpose again is about love. Your natural you is love.

Katherine: And to have fun.

Sharon: And to have fun. To let it all go.

Katherine: We’re all too serious.

Sharon: I love it. Good on you. It’s true. I like passion. Yeah. And what else is your purpose, passion? To have fun, take yourself lightly?

Katherine: And actually feel good about myself. Stop criticising everything.

Sharon: You’re really important to this. You’re really important to Katherine. Where have you been all these years? Where have you been?

Katherine: Away.

Sharon: Yeah. Why did you go away?

Katherine: Just didn’t want to feel that hurt.

Sharon: You weren’t encouraged.

Katherine: No. Sharon: You were not encouraged in that environment. So you’re here.

Katherine: I do hide.

Sharon: You did hide.

Katherine: Literally.

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Sharon: Yeah. Here you are out of hiding.

Katherine: Yeah, free.

Sharon: Yeah, it suits you. It really suits you. So I’m wondering how’s the good girl going to feel about you turning up? Do we need to have a chat with good girl about giving you permission to come out or do you think – do we need to ask her or is she going to be okay or----Katherine: She’ll be okay.

Sharon: She’ll be okay. We want her to embrace you because we need good girl.

We’re not chucking her. There are aspects of her that are pure love. Oh my God. The way good girl has fought for Katherine and the way good girl – I mean, you can see that, can’t you?

Katherine: Yeah, yep.

Sharon: And fights for your kids. But this, what’s this going to give your kids? What’s passion going to give your kids, passion?

Katherine: They don’t have boundaries.

Sharon: Wonderful. Yeah. That’s what you give them. You’re really important to this. Does passion unite or need to unite with any other little sisters or any other parts of you to be more than enough for the good girl? Was there another part of you that was repressed, suppressed, rejected, punished?

Katherine: Just my own identity.

Sharon: Yeah. Who are you? This is passion I’m talking to, or should I go back to Katherine?

Katherine: No, please, passion.

Sharon: Passion. Yeah, so tell me. You speak for Katherine, don’t you, when it comes to identity?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: You do. Good girl didn’t. Good girl protected and hid your identity.

Passion is the identity. Got it. I just got it. So tell me who are you?

Katherine: Someone that’s in fact interesting (0:47:43) [lead from example] (0:47:45) and it’s because she gives things a go.

Sharon: She, Katherine or passion?

Katherine: Passion.

Sharon: So passion, I give things a go. I give things a go because you are passion.

Katherine: True.

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Sharon: Yeah, so I give things a go. Tell me more about your identity. You give things a go. I like passion. What else?

Katherine: Not afraid to fall. Learns [flight].

Sharon: Of course. Of course.

Katherine: And encourages other people, tries things, has a really high standard for things because – yeah, just----Sharon: Are you hearing the flow in what you’re saying? Do you – either in there – most people I work with, they’re like – they barely get a sentence out and here you are just, I know this person. How’s it feel to be out?

Katherine: It’s a relief.

Sharon: It is. I knew you were just waiting for go.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: So passion, you’re in the heart and all over and I think it’s really important you are because the head will lie and the heart will give truth and that’s why you’re so important. The head will lie. So good girl’s doing the best she can, she’s fucking busy.

Katherine: Yeah, yeah, she is.

Sharon: She’s fucking busy.

Katherine: She’s a nutcase.

Sharon: And so she’s been lying about her importance and her role and how she has to be across everything and that’s been smothering your creativity and your curiosity and your determination and you’re the passion, you, because she’s forgotten she can count on you. She needs to remember she can count on you. So can we meet good girl because I think perhaps you guys have a lot to discuss.

Would you mind being good girl for a little bit?

Katherine: Ridiculous.

Sharon: Yeah. You’re going to be sitting down as good girl. Only as good girl. I know, I know, it seems weird now. Go for it. I know. Put your hair back up. I’m not kidding. Yeah. Isn’t it a different world?

Katherine: Mmm. Sharon: Yeah. It’s just a brief chat. Sit down as good girl. Remember there’s lots about good girl we love about you, there’s lots we love about you and we’re very grateful for what you did. How much did you love passion? Yeah. What do you realise?

Katherine: I wish we’d met earlier, but you can’t wish, you’ve just got to get on with it.

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Sharon: Yeah. She’s saying that she’s always been there and you guarded her.

You need to get this (0:50:31) you guarded and protected her and kept her whole all her life.

Katherine: Yeah, she kept trying to break out, but----Sharon: She remained intact because of you and your guardianship.

Katherine: Yeah, I think she dominated when I had young children but, yeah, interesting now they’re older it’s almost like the good girl has had to come back.

Sharon: Had to?

Katherine: No. Sharon: That’s the head talking, isn’t it?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: That’s the head saying, I’m this important, I’m this fucking significant, nobody can get by without me.

Katherine: (0:51:11).

Sharon: Well we’re going to – let’s always remember that’s part of us that kept us safe and we’re going to honour that and appreciate she kept passion intact.

Without you, good girl, passion would’ve died. Not being discouraged, killed. She was amazing when she was needed. You were amazing when you were needed.

Do you get that now you perhaps – it’s time for a new chapter and there’s other parts that could be – it’s their time.

Katherine: Interesting.

Sharon: You’ve been a guardian.

Katherine: Yeah, she’s quite strong and has no (0:51:50). And she helps transition (0:51:55).

Sharon: Wow. Katherine: Thank you. I’ve just realised, yeah.

Sharon: We need you to help passion and passion needs you and you need passion.

Katherine: She’s protecting me to get to a safe place.

Sharon: Would you like to meet passion? Are you cool?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: And you know where passion’s residing, don’t you, right now?

Katherine: Yeah, she’s in my heart.

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Sharon: She is in your heart. Go down into your heart and meet her. She’s been waiting for you all these years to say thank you for protecting her.

Katherine: Yeah, it’s interesting, it’s been a real complex – I don’t know why I’ve held her back.

Sharon: Yeah, good to know.

Katherine: Because it’s the right thing to do.

Sharon: What’s passion telling you now, because you’re chatting? What’s passion saying?

Katherine: Have some fun. Just (0:53:17).

Sharon: (0:53:20). So good girl, is it okay if you took a back seat a little bit ? We’re not dumping you, we need you. There are aspects of you that are – you’re a guardian, you’re a protector, you’re a fierce warrior for what you love and who you love. I love it. Do you love that? It’s just the way you guard and protect and keep safe. You kept passion safe all these years. You kept her life safe all these years.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: But it’s okay if you weren’t primary for a little while.

Katherine: I think it would be a lot more fun.

Sharon: Good on you, good girl. Thank you.

Katherine: And in fact, as a coach, I’ve got to [be all right] because passion is the only way.

Sharon: Yeah. And it’s time. It’s time. You’ve played your role, you did amazingly.

My God you did amazingly and now it’s passion’s turn. But she is going to need you.

Katherine: Yeah, true.

Sharon: Yeah. There are times when it’s good to be organised.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Yes. There are times when it’s good to be kind to people when perhaps you want to growl, but the passion’s going to turn up and every now and again growl when good girl would want to be nice. Coaching. Clicking?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah.

Katherine: So I’ve set up all of these beautiful systems and passion needs to come in and do them.

Sharon: Yeah. Breathe life into it.

Katherine: Yep.

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Sharon: So, good girl, are you okay if we invite passion to lead the way a little bit?

Katherine: Certainly.

Sharon: Good on you. Okay, take my hand, hair comes down. Yeah. You’re good at that. And take a seat as passion. Welcome, passion. (0:55:20) I love it. Thank you. So how’s it feel, passion, to know that good girl, who’s been primary so long, wants to hand over to you and work with you?

Katherine: Yeah, I feel very connected to myself.

Sharon: Yeah. And notice all parts are here. How’s that feel?

Katherine: Yep, that’s good, and the big difference is I knew she was there however worked in isolation. I can see now that it’s part of the whole.

Sharon: It is. So we’re talking to passion. Are we talking to Katherine or passion?

Katherine: Yeah, passion.

Sharon: Yeah, so let’s talk to passion. Yeah, so – because we’re getting to [meet] all of it and we’re going to meet Katherine again in a moment. Right now just be passion. If you need to stand up and sit down, whatever you need to do, be passion. I want to talk to that (0:56:11). Are you passion? Is that who I’m speaking with?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: So what would you thank the good girl and what do you need from her?

She’s in your heart with you so just have a chat with her. What is she going to be needed for? She has an important role. And we’re not firing her, we’re not retiring her, we’re just letting her rest.

Katherine: Yeah. It’s just the responsibility.

Sharon: I like how the responsibilities now adjust. That’s awesome. Well if she kept running the show what would have happened to Katherine?

Katherine: I would – yeah.

Sharon: Yes. You got it? Like it was needed young, but you take that into adulthood, play that out, 10 years out where would you be if good girl had stayed the primary? Where would Katherine be?

Katherine: I don’t want to think.

Sharon: Passion knows. So where would Katherine be if you hadn’t shown up and said, “I can do this, I got this, I’m ready, it’s my time”? What would have happened to Katherine’s health? Yeah.

Katherine: Yep. Sharon: Got it?

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Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: And what would have happened if you let her keep going when it comes to children?

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: If you hadn’t shown up when you had and it had just been this all the time, wouldn’t you have just been passing it on?

Katherine: Yes, yeah.

Sharon: You’re needed. You’re really just wonderful and flowing and all encompassing and all inclusive and all flowing and you are.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: And what’s going to the be the benefit of this in 10 years’ time, of you showing up and saying, “I got this. This is my time.”?

Katherine: Just loving life.

Sharon: Yes. Katherine: Yeah, just knowing where I was and where I’ve got to.

Sharon: How are you feeling, passion?

Katherine: Yeah, just ready to go.

Sharon: Good for you. So should we bring Katherine back? Katherine with passion.

Katherine: Katherine with passion.

Sharon: Katherine – we’re going to integrate, you’re going to bring you – good girl’s been given permission to take secondary position. Passion, it’s your show now. And so we’re going to integrate it. When you said you’re going to be Katherine the way you and good girl have just negotiated and agreed.

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah.

Katherine: Got it.

Sharon: Got it?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: So, Katherine, welcome back, take a seat. How you doing?

Katherine: I’m really well.

Sharon: How you feeling?

Katherine: I’m feeling a bit light-headed.

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Sharon: Good.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: Yeah. Feel it here?

Katherine: Yes. Yeah, it’s really funny, it’s gone right up to here.

Sharon: Excellent. Wonderful. Wonderful. And you see how all those parts were so significant? Needed them all at the right time, everything in its right season. How do you feel about passion leading the way for a little bit?

Katherine: Yeah, I think passion is going to be fun.

Sharon: Yeah, definitely. How do you feel it’s going to change you and help you/ Katherine: Just more energy, yeah. The whole purpose, yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. How are you seeing the room now when you look out through the eyes of passion in your heart?

Katherine: Yeah (0:59:55). Because, yes, I hope that I can share. People learn from me.

Sharon: Yeah, good on you. Good on you. Make sure you keep thinking, good girl, because right now she’s like, “I don’t want to be redundant.”

Katherine: Okay.

Sharon: And there are aspects of good girl Katherine that really have served you beautifully, they’ve been guardian of your children, good girl taught you love and fierce love. Good point?

Katherine: Yeah. She also gives me awareness of how a lot of people are scripted.

Sharon: Yeah, wonderful. So it’s a wonderful contrast to [how to help people flow].

And then passion, what’s passion giving you?

Katherine: To look at the possibilities.

Sharon: Yeah. How’s that feel?

Katherine: Yeah, much better.

Sharon: Yeah, great. And how does that feel?

Katherine: And we all have two sides.

Sharon: Yeah, we do. Or some of us when we do this exercise are going to have three or four. You just had the two which – you know, I am too, but others are going to have three or four. And it’s all the same. There’s these dominant parts of that have been waiting for permission to come through and you guys will ask the question, what do I do with my role? That, you keep it, you love it, you nurture it and keep the parts that work and invite along the parts that you’ve been denying and you can be more whole. How do you feel in terms of your wholeness? How can

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anyone have wholeness if you just live one role? How can anyone have wholeness?

How do you feel in terms of your wholeness? Is there any other parts we need to invite along?

Katherine: Yeah, look, there are different parts I think based on where you are, like (1:01:42) hats.

Sharon: Yeah. So is there another part you’d like to invite to your heart to help the integration be complete? Ask passion. Passion knows. She’s been hiding for a while with all the other parts that good girl was suppressing. Just ask passion. She’s you.

Katherine: Respect is important to me.

Sharon: Great. Invite respect into your heart.

Katherine: Yes. Sharon: And what does that give you?

Katherine: Yeah, it – the thing that’s coming to me is that there can be all sorts of (1:02:27) and it actually makes it interesting. It’s not restricted, in fact, to explore is something that’s also important.

Sharon: Wonderful. Are you enjoying this?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Yeah. Is there any other parts that have been dormant, repressed, hidden, denied that good girl’s been guarding all these years that we need to invite into your heart?

Katherine: Self belief is something that----Sharon: Is that a part? Because passion has self belief. I’m not saying it’s not a part, you just need to be sure, it’s for you.

Katherine: No, right, that’s just [who you become].

Sharon: Yeah. Passion with a bit of practice?

Katherine: Yes. Katherine: And definitely it’s the determination.

Sharon: Nice.

Katherine: (1:03:44).

Sharon: Yeah. How’s that looking now?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Don’t go there?

Katherine: No.

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Sharon: Don’t go there.

Katherine: No, it’s [nice].

Sharon: Good for you. It’s amazing. When you go to a time in the future, Katherine, that hasn’t happened yet, where in the past good girl would’ve run the show, and notice passion is going, “Man, I got this.” Can we have a bit of Thunderstruck, please? There’s a real attitude, “I got this.” And just notice what you’re doing and notice who you’re being and notice how you’re [boinging] and you’re allowing space for people to – you finish the sentence. What are you allowing? What’s now available to you?

Katherine: To have fun, to express themselves, to let go (1:04:44).

Sharon: Yeah. I think the cheekiness is coming through the more we’re practising this. How am I doing with that? Yeah. You’re giving yourself permission now to have some fun. You’re giving yourself permission to smile freely, which is wonderful.

And even further into the future and just create a magic moment – create a magic moment for you and those you love (1:05:05) go ahead and create that moment now. A moment that is filled with curiosity, purpose, determination, passion, growth, smiles and love and I think the sun or flower and stars and just create that magic moment as strongly as you choose to and notice passion is leading the way and just put it into your heart and added all those parts. Just reach out there and just (1:05:32). That was a good one. Create another magic moment. (1:05:44). Create another magic moment (1:05:50) chill, it’s a magic moment, we’re going to be serving at a level you never dreamt because passion’s got this, just pull it in. Just pull it in as soon as you see that magic moment as fast as you choose. Yeah. Yeah, feel good?

Katherine: Yeah.

Sharon: Feels great, doesn’t it? And now I want you to learn it (1:06:12) wildest dreams. Even passion (1:06:15). That’s what we’ve been practising for. That. And good girl’s going, “You got this,” and passion’s going, “Yeah, because I got this.”

Create that magic moment. Big, bright, wonderful. (1:06:38) yeah, there it is. Oh wow. Yeah. (1:06:45). How are you, Katherine?

Katherine: I feel exhausted from the past and I’m really looking forward to just getting on with it.

Sharon: That was good girl taking a nap going, “Thank you, passion, for taking over, I need a rest.” She’s worked her butt off. Wow. Welcome.

Katherine: Thank you.

Sharon: Welcome, you. Thank you. Is there anything else we need to look at (1:07:25)?

Katherine: That’s up to me.

Sharon: Yeah. Give her a hand.

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Katherine: I’m not quite sure how I was enjoying life quite as much because I had the most amazing experience of really having full understanding of things that stopped me, feeling as though I had a mask and I wasn’t living my life the way I really wanted to live and personally I had poor relationships with parents and I didn’t understand why I felt so anxious about that. So I was lucky enough to have an experience of being able to revisit my childhood and to have forgiveness of things that have happened, not to have any blame, but to really understand who I’m here to be and I know there’s this determined dynamo within me, but things have been holding me back. So now I feel really free and I’m really looking forward to the lightness and the energy and the real determination to be successful and pass all that I’ve learned here in these five days onto others.

It was an experience where I really felt – and I will say it was a transformation for me.

So there’ve been lots of blocks in the last six months coming into TCI and everyone talks about fears, but I wasn’t understanding that side of me and – so the transformation for me was really knowing that every time I experience that that it was me wanting to connect to fun and lightness and learning that came from the negative. But the transformation actually has taken that whole thing of negative.

That doesn’t relate to me anymore. It actually is almost a playfulness about how I used to be and knowing now that I’m just going to embrace everything as an opportunity.

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