Interview with allah

Interview with Allah November 15, 1967 A jumble of noise of getting situated, and then Allah’s voice is heard shining through: Allah: I’m alright...Mr. Barry Gottehrer...the mayor's aide… have for a few now...now they are...what I have been asking for is some places for these children to have when they come out if refer them to you if you parole them and they want to send them back and there's no job and there’s no home. So now the mayor they open a building down here… a six story building (interrupted by side conversation of young Gods)...well that was yesterday... For children that don't have a place to stay and they gonna teach them education.

Interviewer: where is that?

Allah: downtown and… what street is that?

Young Gods: 7th street...72?

Allah: somewhere they opened a building...

Interviewer: And the city's uh...where did the money coming from? City and Federal…is it federal government?

Allah: Well, most of this money came from the, came from the poor and, and the run dark student [sic] Interviewer: who are the other people who are training in this program?

Allah: Well, I...well, Barry told me that I can have my own program. I don't want it. I just want the government to give the children well-qualified teachers and those people that they are giving this money to if they don't do it put them in jail! Put them in jail! Because (Unintelligible) They told me in millions of dollars coming on this land but the children not getting any benefits from it...and now, Mr. Gottehrer, he got special people going around to each program to make sure that if they don't do it he may (unintelligible)...but they are not doing it.

Interviewer: what's your program?

Allah: hmm?

Interviewer: What is your program?

Allah: I myself really don't have a program, Mr. Claude...see because uh, a program is when people make it up themselves and say that they gonna take this money and benefit the children. Now, I know for a fact that in this day and time, that my peoples are so dumb, and they are the only people on this planet Earth that have to be paid to go and get what? Education. Have to be paid, while everybody else fought to get education...and the man had made a statement while I was in Matteawan that the Negroes and the Puerto Ricans are the hardest people to educate. I say it is true, because the child don't have no one to take care of him or look after him. Now the only thing I’m asking the government for ‘cause all the nations are (unintelligible: stating it), is that they must give the children food, clothing, and what?

Young Gods: SHELTER!!!

Allah: Because everybody is against the United States. Such as many people here, the communists have set in, and new money is coming in, certain people are talking against the United States. I'm not against the United States. I ask the United States, the masses, the government that if they want to keep a strong country, they must educate them there. And, I do not tell them to go to war. I say go to war if the country calls on them, if the country treats them what? Right! I say go, now, because I don't think I’d rather for them to grow up under anyone else, command such as other country. Now you know for a fact that the other countries are strong; this country is falling. Because you see it even through the hippies... a bunch of children now, leaving what? Home. They don't want to fight no more, do they? Do they? If you don't fight how you gonna win? How? Tell me! Because if everybody keep protesting against war, how you gonna win? The Earth got to be build on. And it's your duty to teach the uncivilized we don't care whether he's black or white. That's your duty, that's the law of nature. Now, Russia is built up against this county. Right?

They got people coming here protesting no war, right? Who you think gonna win after a while if the children are not kept strong, unite for one common cause, huh? You show me...the children are not fighting children no more... They don't care no what? More.... and you got to educate these children in a way to show them why they must keep this country themselves, black and white, must unite together...now many of my people are against me, such as the Muslim...they are against me! This is why I don't believe in religion...because religious peoples do not have no understanding, but they don't have no understanding, ‘cause they believing on God gonna save them, right? You mean to tell me that someone come here; such as you have on TV, the invaders, right? You mean to tell me these other people from other country are not the invader, hmm?

Such as they are from Russia. They're not invaders? They’re invaders!

Interviewer: are you talking about immigrants?

Allah: Nall! Russia! I'm not trying talk about the Puerto Ricans or those people Interviewer: Is invading us now?

Allah: Russia are invading you...the United States of a what? America Interviewer: How? Allah: By peoples coming here and they are acting just like the American people, and when you come to find out, they done went back home and took all the information. Just like, just like they found in that building in that cinema they had a microphone right there, didn't they? Didn’t they? So they are in what? Vaders! To people come and protestin’ against what? War! Right? New money's comin' into the country, and if you don't have fighting, how you gonna win? How? Interviewer: You're talking about the, these invaders, you're talking about spies, Russian spies?

Allah: Ah, no I don't get into this people that, they know how to get to the people that, that they can carry all the people that the United States are mis- what? Treating. They know how to get to them. And if they can get to them like they are doing like they protesting against the war...they gonna take over...and the people that are in Russia are not like the peoples here.

Interviewer: (unintelligible) Allah: Unite Interviewer: How? In what way? I mean, what do you unite?

Allah: Black and white (jagged edit) ‘Cause I tell them if they do wrong they going to jail do they time in jail and come on out. Now when the child come back home, and you don't provide for the child and we're under your control...and the other people that is getting to the child, showing him where, I don't care what he do, he don't benefit from it, he gonna go to jail…he let him take him to jail, such as the Muslims. I'm not against anyone but they are really teaching their children not to smoke, drink or do anything to inquire other people to follow their standards, you see? Now, I don't teach the child not to smoke; he can do whatever he please. (Jagged edit) teaching him to get the understanding what? Of it! I am not against narcotics because the only way to stop a narcotics pusher from bringing it into this country he must stop using it his what? Self!

Sending a person away that doesn't cure him. I used it. That didn't cure me. I stopped my what? Self! So you got to keep the children together and you got to kill all religion. Other than that you are going to lose all fighting men. And they will not have the heart to kill. And you got to have the heart to kill! You've got to!

Everyone has to have the heart to what? To kill... to continue a strong country. And you can't say Russia is not strong because Russia is strong. Because... the children here use drugs... they're going back to sleep.

And now it's getting to your people. So they're using it. And sooner or later you're going to see the downfall.

The hippies are losing the knowledge of themselves. You can't tell me they're not and they are.

Interviewer: Could you please explain?

Allah: They are losing the knowledge of themselves and their parents can't do nothing about it. The only way their parents can get them back home is stop sending them money! And they get hungry and they will go back home, won't they? Won't they?

Interviewer: I don't know if they will.

Allah: Hmm, they God, huh? They’ll go back home if they stop sending them money. And now, they are asking the United States to help find their what? Children… because they are losing the knowledge of what?

Self. When you lose knowledge of self the country got to fall. Why they leaving school? What's the matter?

And the hippies...what happened down there with Rush when he was making a speech the other day? Look what happened. People don't want to fight and this is what other countries love to what? To hear whether you like it or not. If I had a bunch of men and they don't want to fight, wouldn't another country like to hear that? Hmm? Wouldn't you if you was another country and you heard I didn't want to fight? Wouldn't you like to hear that? And the Five Percenters, I'm teaching them that they can't go on under religion because religion has never did anything for them. Like my mother, she said, "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus." I know he's over there in Jerusalem dead that (unintelligible) of the earth… because he hasn't showed me nothing.

Now I was in the Army. I don't teach them not to go in the Army. I went, and I came back. I saw action. I got the Bronze Star. I got all these medals. Now I came back home. I didn't benefit from it as by such as luxury but I did benefit by knowing how to teach a man. To teach a man, to make a boy a man. This is what I did, now. I don't teach them not to drink; I teach them to keep their mouth what? Shut! And listen and learn.

Because I might tell them to drink to go exactly where I want them to go to get to that man that I want to get to. Just like the United States teach the FBI. I might make one a dope addict. If he's strong he'll come out of it because there’s many dope addicts that come among the people to catch who they want and have to use it. I know this. I don't tell them not to fight for the country. They here, fight! Now by me telling them children that, all my peoples are against me because they felt that I was suppose to came out, and I come from Matteawan, to join them and I haven't joined any of them yet and not going to join them because I'm civilized. We don't talk about nobody. Because religious people fight against one another. You can’t tell me they don’t because they do. They'll tell me that "why should you tell the child not to eat swine?" I say why it's in your Bible in Leviticus & Deuteronomy. I'll show them where they are not even good religious people.

And they say they believe in the proph-, scriptures that the prophets brought to the people. You understand?

This is not only hurting them but its hurting you; It hurts everybody! It don’t hurt them, it hurt everybody! So these are the things you've got to keep away from, your people, their people, my people, to make a strong nation. And religious people die ‘cause they don't believe in killing. I do. Years ago you formed; the people formed a vigilante to get to the other wrongdoers that didn't want to go along with the rest of the people.

Didn't they? If you hadn't did that would you have built? Hmm? Would you have built? No! You couldn't have built because someone was holding you down. I'm not against the United States for sitting over there in Vietnam. They should go over there and kill all of them people that don't want to build and become civilized and have a sanitary country. Because the earth is supposed to be built on. I'm not against it. Your people protesting against it. Now when your people protest against it, it gets all the rest of the people to protest what? Against it. Like Muhammad Ali said, "They burn their flag so why can't he burn his?" Now where did this teaching come from? Did it come from you? Hmm? Did it?

Interviewer: (low and intelligible)?Allah: Yes, not fighting for their own country. Did it come from you?

Interviewer: Allah, this is Mr. Bell he’s from the Division for Youth.

Allah: Glad to meet you.Interviewer: He runs a start program and I will introduce you to the others that you don't know later, O.K. If you get that you won't be able to get up.

Mr. Belmont: (a chuckle) I love you.Allah: Did this come from your teaching? (Jagged edit) where did it come from?

Interviewer: I suppose it came from those who feel that way.

Allah: Feel like what? How did they feel that way? You should have taught your child right and exact! How did they feel that way? You mean to tell me you don't know? You don't know who come in your country and plant a seed. This didn't happen a few years back, did it?Interviewer: Yes.Allah: With how many people?

Interviewer: They're called conscientious objectors.

Allah: Yeah, but how many? It wasn't public. No, not in 1945 it wasn't public.

Interviewer: People called the Quakers since the very beginning of this country.

Allah: That was the Quakers.

Interviewer: And it was public.

Allah: And if you was a cold-blooded country you should have stopped that. Because in another government if you don't go by the rules and regulations they kill you. You should’ve stopped that. Because I know for a fact when I was in Japan and Korea the people who disobeyed there something happened to them. Now if your country's in danger and they disobey, shouldn't you do something to these people? Not only the Black but you will now have to do it to your own. And what kind of children y'all raising? What's going to happen if there is no fighting mens in them? What'll happen?

Young Gods: I don't know…

Allah: Well you don't have to be a prophet to know that you'll be a loser. Why ain’t you a prophet, young man? Does a man who leads the way is a man who teaches?

Interviewer: Yes. Allah: Well he's a prophet then isn't he?

Interviewer: In that sense.

Allah: In all sense. And if, if the United States don't wake up in a hurry they going to lose because you got babies in the army now and that's what you need in the army, such as those seventeen and eighteen year old boys. That's what you need in the army. They got to be well qualified though. They got to be more tougher than they are. The United States are the easiest people in the world because they live in luxury where other people eat one day and last three. The Muslims taught me the same way. Eat one meal a day, one every other day or one every three days, and they can do it! And they eat the proper foods to keep them strong.

Interviewer: And who does this? The Muslims?

Allah: I'm try to teach those Five Percenters to do it to. I do it; sometimes I go on a six or seven day fast. I don't eat nothing; drink water… because other than that I'll dry up. I don't eat. And Carl [sic] Stokely and Rap Brown they are really, they are really getting to the college students. Even your people because they really don't want to go to no war. They really, And then the other people are claiming that the United States of America are using the uneducated people to fight the what? The war.

Interviewer: Do you think that's true?

Allah: Hmm? Yes that's true. You can't send a captain into battle. He'll lead them into what? To battle.

Because I was on patrol, the captain didn’t take me on patrol. The lieutenant took me on patrol because knowledge kept him from going. Where as if they lose him, they'll have this one here. I wouldn't send the knowledge man in the Army. I would have him train them or lead them. Now, today you don't even have no young generals in the Army. All of them old… and they really don't know how to fight because they losing too many men over there in Vietnam. And this is what they like because Russia is so very intelligent. You're fighting but they're not losing their men, are they? Are they?

Interviewer: No. Not that I know of.

Allah: I'm telling you but you knew it. Now who's in charge the most, you or Russia? Russia is very strong.

And now Douglas...I read about him a little while ago. He pulled out and don't have much to do with the United States much more. Do he? Why? The United States have did a wonderful job. They have went all over the country and help build up for the low class people because that's their duty. Now my people are looking at it this way. They said if you support the other countries, why don't you support the people that's in your country? You can make all those people bear witness where so much propaganda won't get out of the country. Now pictures have been got out of the country. Riots done started. Isn't this the downfall to any country? And then those people come running out of the (sic). The educated only know how to tell the other low class people what the people in this country are doing to them. Now the people are making statements that you spend eight million dollars or a billion dollars for a rocket… and people here starving. This going all out now. They're sending pictures out that people got special privileges (trails off). And nothing stops it. The only thing that's going to stop it is the children will stop it by not listening to those what? People! If you show some kind of love to the child you can stop it. And putting those laws in effect. When these people come from different countries or different states put them in jail! That same right, if the government if they don't.

When they give these people that anti-poverty money, they don’t do a thang for these children, they should put him in what? Jail! And they gonna have to do it. They're going to have to do it. Other than that, they are going to lose the children and there is nothing I can do about it. Now, they love me. There’s so many Five

Percenters it's something else. There still is nothing I can do if you don't show the child in different ways that you care about the child. If you don't Brown going to get to them. Carl Stokely going to get to them or Kissick going to get to them. Many people going to get to them. Because what I'm telling you brother is if to the child, if they shouldn't do it, the first thing they’re going to say is "You see? You didn't get nothing any what?

Way! And Muhammad Ali is sure showing a good example. Here is what he's fighting. Don't want to go to the army. He is a very intelligent man. There are many Muslims who went in the army- (corrects himself) who went onto jail. He's fighting it. He's fighting to show the world that he gets not only recognition from the Muslim World but from your people too from all over the country. Because why? They want to see America fall whether you like it or not. They want to see America fall and you know it too. I don't have to tell you that.

You know they want to see America fall. And you got many people here that you think is on your side but is not. That's just like "The Invaders," a picture I saw the other night. We might look alike but we may not be alike. See unalike attract and alike repels. Now unalike attract is between me and you. If we have the same mind together it is not unalike. It is a what? Like! And I know the date is the 15th. That means knowledge and power. Now, no one told me this. I know tomorrow is the 16th, means Knowledge Equality. Next day, Knowledge God. Next day is Knowledge Build or Destroy. Next day, Knowledge Born, because a child must go through the birth record. When he's one years old he has Knowledge. When he's two years old he has the Wisdom, he can talk. Three years old, he has Understanding. Four years old, he has his Culture. Five years, he has his Power. Six years, he has his Equality; can go to the bathroom. A man do not come into the understanding until he goes into his thirty years. Then he goes into the Understanding. He goes into Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding, all of that. No one told me this. I even know your calendar. This month means Now Cipher Victory, November. December means Destroy Evil See or Divine Equality See. Now no one tells me this! That's why I don't talk. I listen. Many people like to talk, they like the spotlight. I don't like to talk. They don’t, they didn't tell me how to master the twelve calendar. The twelve months… only mean that the government goes from knowledge to wisdom. That's all. They knowledge your what? Wisdom!

In the Bible it teaches that Jesus had many disciples but they only had knowledge and wisdom. Jesus was the thirteenth. He had knowledge understanding. He was the only one that who could cure them. Because why? He had knowledge and the under what? Standing! Where the other ones had the knowledge and the wisdom they could go and get Jesus. He was the only healer. You understand that? Now this is the way it is.

You can't do the wisdom until you have the knowledge, right? Right? When you go to school you got to have the knowledge before you could come out and put that into practice. And then they don't even know you got it until you go out and put it into practice. This is why I teach the child to go and get the knowledge, come back and put it into practice, then the people will get the under what? Standing! Then they'll know your culture. No one taught me this. See? And I'm telling you the knowledge now because this is the eleventh month means knowledge what? Knowledge. This is the eleventh month. The tenth month means knowledge add a what? Cipher! That means if I had the knowledge and I tell you something and you didn't know it, I have a cipher. Didn't I? Didn't I? Now no one told me anything. And this is what you better do because I'm telling you. To hold any nation together, I read in a book what a white man said one time and I take all book knowledge and use it to benefit myself. I don't care who I heard it from. He said the wealth of a country is the children. Not the money. Once upon a time there was no money. The wealth of any country is the children.

And if you don't keep the young people strong, how you going to win? Bombs can't do it. The bombs haven't made Vietnam submit. There has been no country in the world that bombs have been dropped on more than Vietnam.

Interviewer: When you say strong. In What way-Allah: You got to have the manpower!

Interviewer: How do you make them strong? In what way do you get the young people strong?

Allah: Feed them the right foods. Don't teach religion.

Interviewer: A lot of people think that helps make people strong.Allah: Well Mayor Wagner don't think so...I mean Mayor Lindsay don't think so. He said that the churches and the organizations have lost it! That they cannot control the children! Now, where do they keep them at? That's why Mayor Lindsay is the greatest mayor that ever been. He tells the truth. He's a great mayor. He gets out with the people. Now he got a TV show, so he make communication. Now he's going out there in California. Although I’m, I got to meet Barry tonight to get our telephone number to make a special call to something else. Mayor Lindsay the greatest mayor, man.

Interviewer: What is the right foods you're talking about?Allah: Don't eat the swine!

Interviewer: Everything else is all right?

Allah: No, everything else isn't all right. Don't eat no shrimp. Don't eat no crabs. Don't eat none of that food.

Interviewer: Crabs?

Allah: Lobsters.Interviewer: Seafood you mean?

Allah: Yes. There's other seafood. Don't eat no butterfish because it don't have no scales. Anything bite it, the poison go right into it. If the fish has a scale, you bite it; the poison doesn't effect it because of the texture. Don't eat the old, eat the young. Because you shouldn't eat meat at all period because you're taking on animal protein so you still spoil the human being system. Now if you eat meat, eat the best. Not only is it good for you, it's good for me too.

Interviewer: What's the best kind of meat?

Allah: Beef. Lamb. Fish. Don't eat butterfish because it has no protection. Something bite it, the poison go into the fish. If you bite a fish with a scale, does the poison go into it? Don't eat tuna over 150 pounds but most tuna come over 150 pounds.

Interviewer: How do you know?

Allah: Well, I'm telling you how it comes because civilized people know.

Interviewer: Are there any kinds of other foods?

Allah: There are many kinds. Don't eat butter beans. Don't eat collard greens because it belongs to the weed family. Eat the white cabbage because it melts in your mouth. The spinach you eat that. The broccoli you eat that. Cauliflower you eat that. There are certain foods you have to eat. You've got to save your own what?

Self! No medication can save you.

Interviewer: What about the people who do eat it?

Allah: Well that's their business. That's their business. Don't worry about them. Don't you eat it. That's why many women not built up. They eat the wrong what? Food and can't hold a baby. Can't hold it. So don't worry about the other people. All you do is tell them. Save yourself. Live as long as you can. Now when I do stop eating meat I know I have to stop drinking wine. See? Interviewer: Why can't you? Why so?Allah: Because the liquor will have nothing to eat on. It’ll eat me up.

There are many things you got to understand. This is why President Johnson got an operation on his hand.

You know? And it won't heal. And when they sewed him up it won't stay together. Why? Because‌ decay.

You know what I mean by decay? It won't stay what? Together. It's not solid. Decay. Because when you sew it together, you find some people they sew it together, they do a bad what? (Unintelligible) what? Open, the thread keep pulling apart as it tighten up it come right on what? Right on Through. It won't close up. Why? Decay. Why do you think people get old? Do you think when you get old you call it a blessing? Do you call it a blessing when you get old? Hmm? That's no blessing! That's long suffering!

Interviewer: (Laughing) But everybody gets old.

Allah: Do they? I'm not going no more further! I'm 39 years old meaning Understanding Born. I'm not going no further. If I do want to go further then I know how to kill myself by taking on the wrong what? Foods!

Doing the wrong what? Things! That's how you get old.

Interviewer: Do you think you're going to get older?

Allah: Not me! Not me!

Interviewer: You're not going to get older?

Allah: Not me!

Interviewer: How do you know that?

Allah: I know it!Interviewer: How do you know?

Allah: Because I know what it do for me. I know what it do for me.

Interviewer: Then your body won't change?

Allah: Not mine. Because I'm going to tell the truth. I'm not going to talk about no one. I'm just going to tell you what they do and you can't bring no accusation against me. I'm only telling you what they did because I'm studying them. And all things were put forth before I became involved myself into the knowledge of self and let them know. I can tell them all about them but they can't tell me nothing about me because I'm a new breed that they don't know about. Now what they're going to tell about me when I can tell them all about themselves?

I can show a religious man that he never led anyone to God. Not the Pope or anyone. They all died and all the people in the Bible died. Now where are they? Where are they? The only way you will find God if you keep on reproducing until he make hisself known. And the Pope, he supposed to be a successor to God. Where they show the people? Have they? Elijah says W. D. Fard is God. Where is he? They make me sick.

And they talk about people. Do religious people talk about people? What meant to be is meant to what? Be. If it wasn't meant to be would it ever be? Would you see it? Huh? So don't talk about nothing! As life change you change. If you don't change you’re gonna to die. Change with the young people. If you stay around young people you'll stay young. Two old people can't tell two people how to do. I don't want nothing old. I don't want no old woman. I'm going to keep young women. I don't know what you want. Do what you want to do. I don't want none… no old woman. You can have one if you want to. I don't want one. I want to be around young people. They will keep me active.

And they always bringing me something to tell me. So, know what I do? I sit right there like Barry, he's the head of the chief, the head of the forcetask, and all his satellites go out and they bring him back all the information. He just sit right there. That's the same thing I do. They go out, bring me back all the information, tell me how y’all treating them. That's good because they educate me don't they? Don't they? Just like the captain. He says, "Come on. Come say this to me. I ain't going to tell nobody". If you don't tell nobody they can't make it known to the people what people are what? Talking about can’t they? Sure can't.

Interviewer: Who is Barry?

Allah: Barry Gottehrer.Interviewer: That's the mayor's aide?

Allah: He just sit there and all of them come with information. He sit right there. (Mimicking Barry) "Uh huh, uh huh, uh huh". And he don't write nothing down. He's so intelligent he don't write nothing down. He put it all in his mind. Now isn't that the most intelligent man? If I’m telling a devil information he can't put it on no paper. He must carry it in his mind because if someone took the paper they would have everything they want. Now if he don't talk, they wouldn't know what? Nothing!

This is why that U2 power is a disgrace to the United States of America. He had everything to take his life and he couldn't do it. And he come back home and got a divorce from his wife. He going crazy. That's what he's going to go because he wasn't a man. It would have been better for him to take his life than be a disgrace. That's why his wife left him. Nobody else don't believe it but that's why she left him. He wasn't a man! He take on a job like that then won't carry it through; he wasn't a man. You don't find many Russia people that do that. And the woman are strong like the men. The women in the United States of America they dominate their men because they be puttin’ you in jail. Can't they? They be puttin’ you in jail! And they got certain men that carry out their orders. Women are something else. Then the men wind up killing their women. Just, "pow!" Blow their head off. A woman couldn't get me to kill her to make me go and suffer behind prison. I'll go have her arrested you understand? And tell the woman to leave me what? Alone and I'll take care of the babies. Just get me a job. You think she can get me to kill her? Not me! Not me! That's why I tell all Five Percenters about this story in the Bible about Samson and Delilah. Boy, when he let that woman know what was happening, she blind him boy. She turned him over to another government. He woke up and he find all of them. You understand that? Why? By telling that woman what's happening. And that government caused him...she caused him to lose him his life. A woman can't tell me nothing but just go there and cook. They don't need to tell me nothing. And I don't think it's right to put no woman over a man.

That's why I agree with those people who were going to try to blow up the Statue of Liberty. Because she's holding the torch. That only represent the woman holding a torch. Then they say justice is blind (laughs).

Because she has a thing around her neck, around her eyes. Justice can't see (laughs). There is a sign to all these things. And the Liberty Bell is cracked. Liberty ain't got no crack in it. Liberty is the truth! Ain't no crack.

All this is a sign. That woman knows that she's holding the torch. She can't do nothing to me though. Can't do nothing to me. Because if I do something to her I will tell the judge "Yes I did" and why I did it. Then if he wants to give me any justice, I don't worry about it because I know nature is going to take its course. They

sent me to Mattawan because I said I was Allah. Then they certified me out of Mattawan as Allah. I could have sued the city. But I don't want no money. I wouldn't give them no money because all they do is sport and play. That's all children do with money is sport and play.

Interviewer: What do you want them to do?

Allah: I want them to live in America and help protect their country if the government do right by them. The ones that help protect the country the government should do right by those. The ones that don't the government should do away with them.

Interviewer: Besides them fighting how else could they protect themselves?

Allah: Unite. Let your children and them unite together and create new ideas. Where the world is building a square now it's going to be building a circle. And they don't need your ideas no more. Your ideas did what you was supposed to do. All you got to give them is the basics because they'll do it them what? Selves! See you can see where ideas have traveled for many years cause when you first come to this country there were no houses. It went from the log cabin to this. So each generation brought this about right? So let the children bring about another new world.

Interviewer: Through education?

Allah: Or be destroyed.

Interviewer: Build an education?

Allah: I said build a nation or be destroyed. And if you stop them from mingling together it's over with. It's over.

Interviewer: What do you mean by that?

Allah: You can't accomplish nothing!

Interviewer: Stop mingling together?Allah: The children.

Interviewer: I don't understand. Stop mingling together?

Allah: Why don’t they supposed to give their knowledge to each other?

Interviewer: Always.

Allah: Well if you stop it is over… because they won’t have no ideas to build. They don't have it now. You don't see young men building. You see the old men building. What'll going to happen when they can't do no building no more? Your leg.

Interviewer: What about it?

Allah: It hurts right?

Interviewer: A little.

Allah: Not a little. A lot because you got to have a crutch.

Interviewer: I guess.

Allah: But then you be the crutch for the young children until they are able to walk. You need that until you are able to walk. And for the benefit of any country certain people got to change. It's not a shame in change.

There's not a shame. Because people now don't even want to walk in Harlem. They did it this year because I was home. That's why there was no riot in Harlem. They did it this year because I'm going to stop it all. I'm going to stop crime. Do you hear me? The houses and buildings that you all are in you going to have to give these to children as dormitories for the children. I'm going to stop crime. Hitting peoples in the head, killing peoples… That's a shame. This boy, he killed these two people, his girl, that was it, I mean, this fella and a girl. Wasn't that a shame? What he kill them for? That sucker said that was their... what they call that? They

have to sacrifice human life. Kill a human life. That he was an Yoruba. Is that what he was?

Interviewer: Yoruba.

Allah: Don't you see where these people coming from? Now, people who even teach that doctrine should be eliminated. I can't do it because you'll put me in jail or those other people will put me in jail. I can't do it. The government have to what? Do it. Then if you eliminate these people, the people will say where they gone?

Got to kill humans for sacrifice. Now that lady lost her son, right? The other man, or lady lost her daughter, right? Now the only thing they'll give that man is maybe 20 or 30 years. It will be life, but he's still alive, right?

And they don't have capital punishment in New York no more unless killing a police. Now they been crying themselves. Now they done took their guns away from the police really because he can't shoot nobody unless they attack what? Him. So you don't think that the United States is going backwards? Huh? You going to see. You going to see. You going backwards. Look at these people that went and killed those three brothers in the real estate business. Now when they catch them what they going to give them? Only life, right? That's all. And then, they might not even serve the time out if the United States don't act right.

Because they're going to lose on acquittal and be set free. Because they know that these people be angry with the United States of America and they'll do anything to fight for their life, won't they? United States better wake up.

Interviewer: Allah, I promised to get you to New York by 4pm and it’s a quarter to 3 now.

Allah: Alright, ‘cause I hope you keep them if they don't obey. Keep them. Isn't it best to keep a savage, encaged? It sure should be. I want you take all my people that are bums and put them in their jailhouse so that these children won't grow up and see them. Then they won't be a what? A bum. You hear me? Keep them all. I’m a help them in [to] prison. Because I work directly with the Police and will help send them to prison if they don't straighten up. And this is exactly what you should do. And you shouldn't let them rest in prison. They supposed to be tormented. If I did something wrong it's the same thing. I ‘m supposed to be tormented myself.

I went through Mattawan and nobody did nothing. One officer hit me one time. The Doctor, if I hadda told that doctor that officer had hit me and I hadn’t did nothing to him, they would have fired that sucker. They tried. They said, "Where is he Allah? Let me know where he is, tell..." I wouldn't tell them. And the officer know he was wrong right? I ain’t do nothing to him... just didn’t like me. Eventually a riot, and when he found out who I was he didn't do that no more. I didn't do nothing to him. And no one was supposed to be able to get me out of there because I was the law there. I was under the Doctor and they had some very intelligent doctors there. Especially Dr. David P. Johnson, the Director. Because if I was to protest I couldn't protest because they would send me to the court in Beacon. And boy, whatever the Doctor say that judge do not go against it. And I didn't have to go too sad. I didn't ask for one thing in Mattawan. I didn't protest what they gave me to eat. If they gave me that meat, I didn't eat it. I had money and everything I wanted in Mattawan. I wouldn't buy no food. I wanted to show them exactly who I said I was and I was going to prove it. All I wanted was them to do is ask the questions. And I know I was the only one that could feed it to them. And they let me out of there. I could have sued New York City for putting seven charges against me and I hadn't did any of them. I didn't do a thing. I had been shot with a double-barreled shotgun and a high-powered rifle. (Jagged tape edit) And I don't run from no Muslims or nobody else. Because I know if I'm telling you the truth, if that don't stop you, then nothing else will. And them doctors let me right out of there. A lot of the officers so friendly and intelligent and love me they bring me certain foods to me, and I say Naw, I must go through this myself. And Mattawan is a place when you go there, they say you a criminal in what? Sane.

Meaning that you cannot control your emotions. And I had just been...I hadn't been in the hospital too long.

The people been taking advantage of me ever since I said I was Allah. And I know when I said I was Allah, the Muslim whole world was what? Against me. I don't care. And now they really against me because I'm not anti-white nor pro-black. They really against me because everybody is, is against the white. Well let me show you something. Who is man if he ain't man? Tell me! So this is up to you to make your country what?

Strong! It's up to you and if you don't teach the young right you're not hurting me; you're hurting yourself.

Now I can gain power by even not turning them over to the law. Couldn't I? When they come to me about his stuff I can say no I don't know nothing about these gangs and 85'ers. Right? I don't want that kind of power.

That's not power. Power comes through the truth. That's what power comes through. I don't want that kind of power such as these other so-called American Negro leaders are trying to gain. I don't want that kind of power. And I don't recruit no old peoples. None! None! You can be of help and you got to know something. I don't recruit no old! I've got 4 or 5 old now. They give me their children. I don't recruit no old. And anybody can be a Five Percenter, white, I don't care who they are can be a Five Percenter. Because a Five Percenter is one that is civilized. We don't talk about nobody. And they are mad because Barry Gottehrer is a Five Percenter and his wife is getting a divorce from him just because of that. Ain't that something? But the man is a man because he know the truth is the what? Is the truth. And this is the only thing that is going to

bring the country together and make it strong. Now if he fall for his wife and "baby don't you do this and don't you do that" he'll be just like Samson in the Bible by letting that jive woman run him. And the country will fall because the woman can't go no further than equality and then she got to turn the babies to God, his daddy.

That's why the government...he let a child quit school at 16, only even knowledge what? Equality. And then he seventeen, the child knowledge God. And that's his daddy. You find any boy, if he don't know where his daddy at all he got to do is look in the mirror and he'll see him… ‘Cause he's looking at him. Who is your son if he ain't you? Hmm? Can't you tell if someone else came and mess with your Earth? If you a apple and that's your orange. If he don't look like you, boy, he ain't you. That's somebody else been messin’ with your Earth. He's not you. If a man can't...don't produce him a boy he's not blessed because the woman done cultivated his seed into a girl. And it shows you right there that he is not blessed. The woman is what?

Blessed. Now meantime, I let the woman cultivate my seed by fallin’ in love with her a little bit, you know, but there is no such thing as love but y’all ain't made for it. Now I let her cultivate the seed a little bit. I let her (?) but I'm blessing her. If I don't want her to cultivate that seed I don't do nothing she say or make no love to her. I stay rough! she can't cultivate my seed. Now if the woman continue to cultivate the seed isn't that still bringing destruction to man? Hmm? So if you don't continue to be men, what's going to happen? She's going to bring destruction to you because she's a cultivator. She's the Earth that you plant in just like this Earth you build on. She'll bring destruction to you. Didn't you know that? A woman is a cultivator. She'll turn you into a girl every time. And there are many men who don't have…yeah I'm about finnin' to go anyway, I'll take a pot to go please, I like regular (laughter)…If a man don't become strong, then a woman going to become what?. Every one of his child is a what? Is a girl! And you don't have no girls in you. Man is what?

Man! He's the creator of woman, whether she like it or not.

And then you should...I know how to bring my own babies. I do. I do. After the birth, cut the thing then hit him "bow," they go "ow!" That's all to it. I don't need nobody to bring mine. Like the average woman go to the doctor, the man bring her to him she be like (sigh) "Oh doctor!" She give him all the love whether you like it or what? Not. Cause he's right there and he's there all the what? Time. That's why a man should treat his woman right. Now, to me for one, I'm not never going to have one woman… it’s a poor rat got one hole.

See? I found that out. I am not, you hear me woman? I am not ever going to have one. Whoever love me, that's who I'm going to love. I'm not loving no more, they have to love what? Me! Because I found that out through my wife. She didn't write me a letter nor come to see me out of 22 months. So now, them young girls love me. She say, "I'm surprised at you." I say "Oh honey don't worry about them my blessings" Interviewer:(unintelligible) Allah: Oh yeah, and they young too. I like that. And I can teach them myself. That means, she is, she is, after I get through with her everything be alright because that means she's not contaminated with. Because I'll show you something. If your woman go to this church, right? And you go to another church, right? Isn't that wrong? I'll tell you something right now. Now, if you have to go to church for someone to teach your women… I'm not saying this, Reverend, or trying to make you feel bad or anything like that, I'm only tellin’ the truth. My wife went under the teachings of Elijah Muhammad. She tried to cap-, put my mind under the capture of that man. I said, "Woman, are you crazy!" She said, "what! What! What!" I said "what! What!" I'm not going to worship and go under this man when I'm a man myself and if I fall for that my children can never respect me. I don't need you to educate my child. It is my duty to educate my child my what? Self! You understand that? But the preachers are so far backwards that they have created teachers to educate that child. Don't you know if you take your child somewhere and you don't have the knowledge of what that child is going up under that person is taking your child's mind from you? He can control that child. Why I bear witness to this cause I know a man that went to get his child from church and wanted to speak to his child alone. You know what that child told that...told his daddy? "You have to talk in front of the preacher." What the...? I would have "bam!" I would have knocked that sucker out! Telling me that he can't talk to me private and that's me. And another man has my mind, has my child's mind? Boy, I would have hit that boy so hard I would have broke his jaw. So if you grow up under someone else's indoctrination and you don't understand where that child is at or who that man is or what he's teaching that child. He's going to take your child. I examine everything they teach mine. I go see the teacher and I look at him is he a sucker or a man. You know I look at him. I look at him. I let him know, 'I'm looking at you sucker.' And I keep looking at him. And I watch his ways and actions because I don't want him to have no feminine ways whatsoever if he's teaching that boy! This is what I like about they said Ron...the method that the Governor up there in Reers. He fired everybody. He fired a lot of people out of his office, or some of them, because he said they were homo what? He a homosexual. Now this man is a man. See a whole lot of people don't go for that but that man's a man. Because homosexuals bring on destruction to a what? A nation. The man is right and a lot of people don't think the man is right but the man is what? He's right because homosexuals bring destruction to a what? A nation.

And women keep on producin’ girls, isn’t that bringin’ destruction to man? Hmm? Sure is.

Interviewer: (unintelligible) nonviolent?

Allah: Hmmm? No I’m a killer. I can't say that. I never said that. I never said that. I'm more dangerous than a non-violent man. I'm not violent. See, you got a word for something which is right, you might say it's non-

violent. You understand? But see there is no such word as non-violent, you see, because I'm right in what I do. So to save my life I must survive. I don't care what you call it. If you had food in your house and you won't give it to me and I have to save my life, I'm coming in there. And that's the way you should come on in my house because you got to try and what? Survive! So if I'm trying to survive for my life you wouldn't call that violence would you? Hunh? Now you can't call that violence. I know if you got everything and I ain't got any. You gonna make me suffer. You got to kill me.

Interviewer: Are you talking about without having riots in the streets?

Allah: Do what? If I did something it wouldn't be a riot! I'd go to the government.

Interviewer: People would follow you.

Allah: I'd go to the government. You don't call that a riot. If the store got food in there and you own that store and don't give no food you not going to riot if I go in there and get some food.

Interviewer: But you said you would be (sic).

Allah: I'm civilized. All civilized people say that.

Interviewer: That what you want boys to follow you.

Allah: And I want them to obey your orders.

Interviewer: Use a cooperative approach.

Allah: If you try to force on them religion you can't win because the child must fight for the United States of America because he might make this place his what? His home. And if you continue to teach that child about religion the first thing that boy going to be hollering out "Jesus Coming!" He ain't gonna fight. You don't want to get them like this because they don't want to pick up no what? No arms. While this country is getting weak Russia is building up, and not only this country building up, the other countries... Now, I don't tell the children not to go to war because I'll go back with them. I enjoyed the army when I was in there. I enjoyed it. Because it's something to kill and don't worry about it. Some people kill and have a conscious and go crazy behind it because they can't clear their mind up. Now, when I was in the army I know I was fighting for the country and also myself. And I was one to come back home where many didn’t. And I'm reaping the benefits from it now, whether I got anything or not. The United States of America taught me to be discipline. They also done taught me how to raise me an army. So that was education to me, wasn’t it?

If I had time I’d give lessons on all my trials and tribulations. I have messed with cocaine. I messed with everything but LSD and I'm not going to take none of them trips. Now, did I gain from using cocaine? Yes. I know what it do for me. I can operate on my own self I just ask [sic], because it freezed me. So, by you going to all the other countries getting all these resources and bring it and they get it here…I know this because they made me a doctor. No harm it did to me, did it? Every doctor talking about, "that's no understanding." So… so it helped me. It didn’t harm me. The only thing I need to know is where to get it at now. And now, lily white, and also lily white comes in what? Swamps! Because did it harm you or did it hurt you? It don't hurt do it?

Interviewer: Depends on what you do with it.

Allah: Well, alright then. It didn't harm me.

Interviewer: I think one of your boys have a question.

Allah: Well, they can ask anything they want.

Interviewer: You can go ahead.

Young God: I know my Father.

Allah: And he's always coming with questions.

Young God: Allah, you know like when we go to church on Sundays? Do we have to kneel?

Allah: Listen, son. I'm going to tell you something and I must say this. Listen, son. If you go without force, it is good to listen and learn. Now if it’s a force, don't go. Don't go. Because as a force it's gonna make you not to be able to protect this country. It's going to put you in a state of mind that if they don't get rid of this state of mind the country got to fall. And I don't want you under up nobody else's command. I’d rather you to stay right here in the United States. If you go with anyone to church do exactly what they would do, kneel.

They didn't force me to go to church in Mattawan. They said "Allah we don't have your service here." I said, "If you, he said we don’t have Muslim service here. I said, “If you did have Muslim service that is not my service, because I don't have no religion.” And they didn't force me to go. They put on my paper "very religious man" and I said, "No, I don't have no religion." They put on my paper that I was a leader and I said, "No, I'm not a leader." Because if I said I was a leader then I would hold records of you and they would come and ask for my records one day. So I don't have records. So that's when they come, if they come ask me and they let me show no records of you. You understand that? So, I say if you go. Go! Go! You'll benefit from it.

Interviewer: What about singing?

Allah: Plenty of singing. That's fine to sing. Sing!

Interviewer: It's almost Christmas time.

Allah: Listen. Barry Gottehrer was trying to get us a building so we could have a Christmas party. Now, Muslims don't believe in Christmas. I would like to have a Christmas party for the Five Percenters. You understand that? So if you want to go, go to church. You'll learn from it. It’s not going to hurt you...

Interviewer: And you say if you're not forced. Are we forcing you to go to church?

Young God: I mean, there ain't no way we can get out of it.

Allah: Well, go. Because I'm a show you why you have a right to go. Because if you hadn't did anything wrong, you wouldn't be there would you? All I know is that you didn't do anything wrong on account of your mothers and I don't blame you because man don't have a mother. What is a mother? Man don't have no mother. Who is my daughter if she ain't my wife? I give her away if I want to. And in this country they'll say, "Oh you can't marry your daughter." That's my seed, that, that… I'll give her away if I want to and I’ll let somebody come in and plant a seed or contaminate my Earth. You understand that? And I feel exactly the way the Queen and them do of England. That's my Earth. I give her away if I what? Want to. Now, how many more concerns do you have?

Interviewer: Thank you everyone.

Allah: Alright gentlemen.

Interviewer: Thank you very much.

Allah: [background interviewers discussing something] I'm not against nobody. I'm only trying to make the young people strong together so that they’ll keep this country safe. Because this is a new country. And if you don't keep it safe, you ain't going to reap the benefits from it. This is a new country. You know this is a new what? Country! And this is the country that they indicated in the bible, everybody came here, got the education, went back home to what? To build. Now, the United States has spent billions, billions of dollars trying to add a value to life to save them people so that they can build on that Earth to make them be what?

Civilized, huh? I know this. Now just go to church son, you don’t lose from it… Go! And then the next time you come home, don’t go back and then you won’t have to follow rules and regulations. Now when they told me in Matteawan, “Allah,” they said you got to, I said, “Yes sir!” I had a beard they told me, “Cut the beard off.” I cut my beard off. I cut my hair. Why? I’m under a people and I must go through their rules and what? Regulations, or suffer…this is what I did. I tell all the Five Percenters obey all rules and what?

Young Gods: Regulations!

Allah: Regulations, and don’t talk about nobody. I’m telling you… and you’ll learn a lot. The one thing I can say about these people, they giving Five Percenters passes to come home! (Laughter) That’s the truth!

One just left there. What’s his…? No the other one, what’s his name? Rahiem? Yeah, He just left, he glad!

I know he be glad and I’m gonna send you right back if he ain’t right. (Laughter) End of Interview.