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COMPLETE DISPOSAL SALE OF BIRDS AND EQUIPMENT 

Of the late Clive Cramer  On Sunday 11th/10/09, at 1:00 PM     at the Ivanhoe Homing Club Rooms, Waterdale Rd., Ivanhoe (near the Ivanhoe Railway Station), inspection  from 11:00 AM.   (In the event of a holdover by the VHA or VPU the sale will be on 11/10/09).      Auctioneer:   Fred Sheean  9499 6381    Enquires and Catalogues  Tim Owen    9844 3109  Wayne Williams  9401 3386      SClive raced pigeons with the Ivanhoe Club for over 50 years.  He initially got pigeons from Tom Meehan, John  Mifsud,  Clarrie Latchford and Jimmy Watts.  In recent years he had access to birds from his friends, including  Chob Tanmahaprhan, Wayne Williams, Trevor Lilburn, Steven Trigar, Bill McDougall and Tim Owen.  The blood  lines are mainly the old Australian birds, especially Harrison, Wickham and D. Ince.  Other people have done well  with birds bred by Clive: he bred 2nd Fed 700 for Tim Owen, 2nd Fed and others for Bill McDougall and some good  birds for Wayne Williams.


I have prepared the Catalogue as best I could from Clive’s records.  He only flew up to the first Hillston this year  and the breeding of the race team is well recorded.  I could not find any information on some of the stock birds.   Hopefully people will be able to provide more information on them at the sale.  I was able to generate pedigrees  of the birds related to mine from my records.  All his birds are in the sale except for some birds that I thought  were too old to breed.  One obvious pigeon missing is his Fed winner, VHA 04‐17979.  I did not find her when I  went through his birds: hopefully I have just missed her and she will be at the sale.  Otherwise I presume she  died, or he lent her out.  There are many birds in the sale off her.  She was an egg given to Clive by Chob  Tanmahaprhan.  I think her breeding is mainly D. Ince.  The birds have been looked after after Clive’s death by  Bill McDougall, Steven Trigar and Wayne Willams.


Lot Pre 1 NDIC 2 VHA 3 VPU 4 VHA 5 VHA 6

VHA

7

VHA

8

VHA

9 10 11 12

VHA EUR VHA VHA

13 VHA 14 VHA 15 VHA 16 VHA 17 VHA 18 VHA 19 VHA 20 AUST 21 VHA 22 VHA 23 24 25 26 27 28

VHA VHA VHA VHA

29 NDIC 30 31 VHA 32 33 34 35 VHA 36 VHA

Year Ring# Col/Sex Breeding Comments 01 4361 RCH G. Bevis Clocked 500 ml 86 44688 BCH 5927 x 22876 Old ring 98 9894 BCH Jansen x Jan Aarden Bred Wayne Williams 02 7775 BCH SA 89-2402 x 01-29691 (off Lot 2) 97 22853 BCPH BBC Snow x Smokey Pied, clocked 700 01 17385 BBH One eyed hen. Lot 77 D. Ince sale. and bred 7th National 2000 02 7704 BCPH 283 (Lot 58) x 22853 (Lot 5) 34087 (Lot 74, Boomerang) x 29661 (Lot 05 7818 BCPH 96, off Lot 2) 00 11903 BCH Goodger 97 10 BBH 00 1259 RCH 05 7885 RCH 11909,(Lot 60) x 7704 G. Steven's Cock x mother of 1st Fed 700 99 1919 BCH 18th Fed Barrigun, 864 MPM for T. Owen (see attached pedigree) 07 5218 BCFH 5336 (Lot 80) x 05-7885 98 5043 GH 06 15419 RCH 05-7645 RCC of Bills x VPU 01-4758 29603 (Lot 81) x17979 (1st Fed 300 for C. 05 7853 BCH Cramer) 04 18007 BCH Bred T. Owen (see attached pedigree) Flown 500 for Clive. 14210 (off Boomerang and 1st Fed 300) x 07 5193 BBPH 06-15414 04 499 BBH 01 29660 BBH Off hen of Chob Tanmahaprhan Boomerang (Lot 74) x 17979 (1st Fed 300 05 7804 BBPH for C. Cramer)

00 07 06 05 01

34066 5150 14208 4831

BBFH DCH 7803 (Lot 66) x VPU … 33 BBFH 7808 (G. Vella) x 17736 (Chob) RCPH

4349 BCFH Bred G. Bevis.

04

UR BBH 17970 BBH 4570 x 99-13695 (Lot 35)

99

13695 BBH

05

7892 BCH

7811(32011, Sire of Boomerang, x 18th Fed 600, Lot 13) x 29663 (32011 x 44695)

14th Fed Narrandera, 1698 MPM. Bred 2nd Fed, and others, for Bill McDougall


37 VHA

05

38 VHA

06

VHA VHA VHA VHA

04 06 07 04

43 VHA

07

39 40 41 42

44 45 46 47 48

VHA 07 VHA 04 VHA 06 ECHUCA 02 VHA 04

49 VHA

07

50 VHA

04

51 VHA

08

52 VHA 53 VHA

07 01

54 VHA

07

55 VHA

08

56 VHA

04

57 VHA

06

58 59 60 61

ERPC VHA VHA KY

98 01 00 99

62 VHA

02

63 VHA 64 KHPC

02 03

65 VHA

07

66 VHA

02

67 VHA

99

67a NDIC

01

68 VHA 69 SA 70 VHA

05 99 04

7898 BCPH 11909 (Lot 60) x22853 (lot 5) 4353(11th Fed 350, Lot 67a) x 01-4349 14212 BCPH (Lot 29, 14th Fed 200) 17990 BBH ? 5110 x 8781 14258 BCH Boomerang (Lot 74) x 18007(Lot 18) 5126 BCH 95-18346 x 529 18019 BCH 17994 x 7854 00-38505 (D. Ince) x 04-17979, 1st Fed 5208 BBPH 300 for C. Cramer 5356 DCH 04-17994 x 04-18020 17906 BBH 32011 x 22853 (Lot 5) Sister to Boomerang, Lot 74 15416 BCH 95-18346 x 205 604 BBPH Wickham 18072 BBH Geel 05- 7979 (K. McCall) x 14858, Union 5179 BBH Classic prize for Bill McDougall, bred R. Powell 18020 BBH 4570 x 99-13695 (Lot 35) 00-38505 (D. Ince) x 04-17979, 1st Fed 10752 BCPC 300 for C. Cramer 5127 BBH 04-17994 x 04-18020 29663 BCH 32011 (Sire of Boomerang) x 44695 Boomerang (Lot 74) x 17979 (1st Fed 300 5112 BBH for C. Cramer) 00-38505 (D. Ince) x 04-17979, 1st Fed 10753 BBH 300 for C. Cramer 17994 DCC 29603 (Lot 81) x 5214 or 10822 4353(11th Fed 350, Lot 67a) x 01-4349 15408 DCC (Lot 29, 14th Fed 200) 283 BBPC 2596 BCC 11909 RCC Bred some good birds. 1001 RCC R. Hindson Wickham cock of Bill Fritz x 4th Fed 500 8991 BBPC Feather legs for T. Lilburn 7881 BCC 5110 x 32542 959 BCC 407 of R. Hindson x 1609, 2nd 700 for R. 5351 BBH Hindson (see attatched pedigree) 5110 (36688 x 7894) x 15350 (36688 x 7803 DCC Inbred Harrison sister to 3rd Fed Parkes) 25161 BCC T. Groves 11th Fed Parkes, 1384 MPM. Bred 4353 BCPC Bred G. Bevis. 2nd Fed, and others, for Bill McDougall 7809 BBC 32011 x 22853 (Lot 5) Brother to Boomerang, Lot 74 38827 BCC 17922 BCC 34087 (Lot 74, Boomerang) x 13661


71 VHA 72

98

73 VHA

03

74 VHA

00

75 VHA

06

76 VHA

06

77 VHA

07

78 VHA 79 VHA 80 VHA

05 05 03

81 VHA

01

82 VHA

99

83 VHA

02

84 85 86 87

VHA VPU VHA NDIC

99 06 06 02

88 VHA

06

89 VHA

06

90 VHA 91 VHA

99 06

92 VHA

06

93 VHA

04

94 VHA

08

95 VHA 96 VHA 97 98

00 01

99 VHA

08

100 VHA

08

101 VHA

08

102 VHA

08

103 VHA

08

9529 BBFC Wickham UR BBC 29603 (Lot 81) x 32247 (dam of 1st Fed 5317 BCC 500 for Chob Tanmahaprhan) 32011 x 22853 (Lot 5) (see attached 34087 BCC pedigree) Boomerang (Lot 74) x 17979 (1st Fed 300 14210 BBPC for C. Cramer) Boomerang (Lot 74) x 17979 (1st Fed 300 14209 BCC for C. Cramer) Boomerang (Lot 74) x 17979 (1st Fed 300 5107 BBPC for C. Cramer) 7760 BBPC 8991 x 13612 7870 BCC 94-6472 x 86-44688 (Lot 2) 5336 DCPC 11909 (Lot 60) x 7704 Son of 1st Fed 700 mile x 1st Fed 500 29603 BBC mile for Chob (see attached pedigree) 13610 DCC 5110 (36688 x 7894) x 15350 (36688 x 7804 DCC sister to 3rd Fed Parkes) 19491 BBPC 7549 BBC 3634 MC 2877 MC Wickham from J. Montgomery 11719 x 17979 1st Fed 300 mile for C. 14287 MC Cramer G. Vella Cock x Dam of 1st Fed 300 miles 14287 BBC for C. Cramer 13704 DCPC SA 35639 x 29691 15415 BCC 18346 x 205 05-7881 (Boomerang x 1st Fed 300 for 15405 BBC Clive) x 7806 (32011, Sire of Boomerang, x 22585) 18024 DCC 32619 x 32542 (10840 x 4075) 5382 (4353 x 7616) x 04-18019 (4353 x 11924 BCFC 4359) 35479 BBH 29661 BBFH 6472 x 44688 (Lot 2) UR BBH UR BBC 98-9529 (Lot 71) x 04-17979 1st Fed 300 10703 BBC for Clive 4353(11th Fed 350, Lot 67a) x 01-4349 10705 BCH (Lot 29, 14th Fed 200) Melb 98 11086 x 98-10039 (Harrison x 10706 BCPH Jansen) 98-10005 BBC Crosbie x 04-18020 (Lot 10707 BBC 50) 10709 BCH 00-29433 x 01-19003

2nd club 500 miles “Boomerang” - a favorite of Clives, 22nd Fed Renmark, 1301 mpm

Inbred Harrison

Harrison

Inbred to Lot 67a In race loft In race loft


104 VHA 105 VHA 106 VHA 107 VHA

08 08 08 08

10710 10711 10712 10713

BCPH BCPC BBC BCPC

108 VHA

08

10715 BBC

109 VHA

08

10716 BBC

110 VHA 111 VHA 112 VHA 113 VHA 114 VHA 115 VHA 116 VHA 117 VHA 118 VHA 119 VHA 120 VHA 121 VHA

08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08

10717 10720 10723 10724 10725 10726 10728 10730 10734 10735 10736 10737

122 VHA

08

10741 BBPC

123 VHA

08

10742 BCPH

124 VHA 125 VHA 126 VHA 127 VHA 128 VHA 129 VHA 130 VHA 131 VHA 132 VHA 133 VHA 134 VHA 135 VHA

08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08

10743 10744 10745 10746 10747 10748 10749 10751 10755 10758 10759 10760

136 VHA

08

10761 BCH

137 VHA 138 VHA 139 VHA 140 VHA 141 VHA 142 VHA 143 VHA 144 VHA

08 08 08 08 08 08 08 08

10764 10768 10771 10772 10773 10775 10776 10777

BCH BCPC BBPC BBH BBPH BBPH BCPH RCC BBPH BCH DCH BBPC

BBC BBPH BBH BCPH BCPC MPH RCH BCH BBH BBPC BBPH BCH

BCC BCH BCC BCC BBH BCC BCPH BCC

04-17922 (Lot70) x 07-5112 (Lot 54) 03-15431 (Jansen) x 04-2168 03-15431 (Jansen) x 04-2168 03-15431 (Jansen) x VPU 98-9894 (Lot 3) 98-10005 BBC Crosbie x 04-18020 (Lot 50) 98-10005 BBC Crosbie x 04-18020 (Lot 50) Melb 02-29433 BCPC x 05-7616 Melb 02-29433 BCPC x 05-7616 29603 (Lot 81) x 07-5176 29603 (Lot 81) x 07-5176 29603 (Lot 81) x 07-5176 29603 (Lot 81) x 07-5176 34087 (Lot 74, Boomerang) x 02-7704 283 (Lot 58) x 00-1259 (Lot11) 98-9529 (Lot 71) x 22853 (Lot 5) 04-17994 x 04-18020 (Lot 50) 04-17994 x 04-18020 (Lot 50) 98-9529 (Lot 71) x 22853 (Lot 5) 98-9529 (Lot 71) x 04-17979 1st Fed 300 for Clive 4353(11th Fed 350, Lot 67a) x 01-4349 (Lot 29, 14th Fed 200) 7811 x 06-14258 (Lot 40) 06-14210 x 17906 (Lot 45) 06-14210 x 17906 (Lot 45) 03-5336 (Lot 80) x 01-29663 (Lot 53) 03-5336 (Lot 80) x 01-29663 (Lot 53) 06-14276 (Lot 88) x 07-5193 (Lot 19) 06-14276 (Lot 88) x 07-5193 (Lot 19) 5317 (Lot 73) x 18th Fed 600 (Lot 13) 06-14287 (Lot 89) x 05-7804 (Lot 22) 06-15415 (Lot 91) x 7775 (Lot 4) 06-14287 (Lot 89) x 05-7804 (Lot 22) 98-10005 BBC Crosbie x 86-44695 Unrung Cock of Bill Fritz (? Lot 72) x Wickham Hen (Lot 47) 06-15408 (Lot 57) x 18007 (Lot 18) 04-17922 (Lot70) x 07-5112 (Lot 54) 7811 x 06-14258 (Lot 40) 7811 x 06-14258 (Lot 40) 06-14290 x 04-17906 (Lot 45) 03-5336 (Lot 80) x 01-29663 (Lot 53) 03-5336 (Lot 80) x 01-29663 (Lot 53) 5317 (Lot 73) x 18th Fed 600 (Lot 13)

Flown Hillston Flown Hillston

Flown Hillston 3rd bird Hillston Clocked Hillston

Flown Hillston Flown Hillston


145 VHA 146 VHA 147 VHA 148 VHA 149 VHA 150 VHA

08 08 08 08 08 08

10778 10781 10782 10784 10788 10794

151 VHA

08

10795 BCC

152 VHA

08

10796 BCH

153 VHA

08

10798 BCH

154 VHA

08

10799 BCC

155 VHA 156 VHA 157 VHA 158 VHA 159 VHA 160 VHA 161 VHA

08 08 08 08 08 08 08

11903 11905 11907 11908 11909 11911 11913

162 VHA

08

11917 BCC

163 VHA

08

11918 BCH

164 VHA

08

11919 BCPC

165 VHA

08

11925 BBH

166 VHA 167 VHA 168 VHA

07 07 07

5133 DCH 5184 BBH 5124 MPC

169 VHA

07

5175 BBC

170 VHA 171 VHA 172 VHA 173 VHA 174 VHA 175 VHA 176 KY 177 KY 178 MDPR 179 VHA

07 07 07 07 07 06 08 08 08 08

Â

5138 5203 5343 5344 5214 14282 731 2863 1370 34299

BCH BBC BBH BCH BBC BCFH

BBC BBH BB BBPC BCH BBPC BBC

5317 (Lot 73) x 18th Fed 600 (Lot 13) 29603 (Lot 81) x 07-5176 29603 (Lot 81) x 07-5176 06-1739 x 04-27680 01-7787 x 99-21776 98-11086 x 07-5126 (Lot 41) Brother to 3rd Fed 600 for T. Owen (see attached pedigree) Sister to 3rd Fed 600 for T. Owen Off son of 2nd 700 x 1st Fed 700 mile (see attached pedigree) Sister was 11th Fed 500, and another bred 11th Fed 600 (see attached pedigree) 06-14276 (Lot 88) x 07-5193 (Lot 19) 04-17922 (Lot70) x 07-5112 (Lot 54) 06-14210 x 17906 (Lot 45) 06-14210 x 17906 (Lot 45) 5317 (Lot 73) x 18th Fed 600 (Lot 13) 06-14210 x 17906 (Lot 45) 04-17994 x 04-18020 (Lot 50) 3rd Fed 300 x NDIC 04-2168, Fed hen of T. Lilburn 3rd Fed 300 x NDIC 04-2168, Fed hen of T. Lilburn 4353(11th Fed 350, Lot 67a) x 11903 3rd Fed 300 x NDIC 04-2168, Fed hen of T. Lilburn 7803 (Lot 66) x VPU 98-9894 (Lot 3) 283 (Lot 58) x 00-1259 (Lot11) 06-3634 (Lot 86) x 05-7804 (Lot 22) Geel 05- 7979 (K. McCall) x 14858, Union Classic prize for Bill McDougall, bred R. Powell 07-5124 x 06-14253 Bred by T. Owen (see attached pedigree) 03-5336 (Lot 80) x 05-7885 03-5336 (Lot 80) x 05-7885 05-7760 (Lot78) x 05-7818 (Lot 8) 17994 x 7854

2nd bird in third Hay Flown Hillston

Flown Hillston

MH BBPC Clocked 3rd Hay BCPH BCH BCPH BBH BBH BBC BBC Bred by T. Owen (see attached pedigree) BCH

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