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J: What do you think drew you to this piece out of all the clothes in the dress-up closet?
N: I think the crazy, clownlike quality to it! I can’t imagine anyone actually wearing this, but they did I guess. These big shoulder pads are not very flattering on anyone. I thought it would be cool for drag, actually. That’s why I brought it here. I thought it might make for a good photoshoot or something. I don’t think it’s particularly beautiful, but it’s like something you’d see on a runway.
J: What’s the most recent thing you got?
N: So, Michelle made this.
J: Oh word. Michelle, what was the idea behind this?
M: I just wanted something really hyperfeminine and sexual in a sort of powerful way, with very very bold colors I like to involve anything with transness and trans identities, and hyperfemininity. With drag, I love to just make things obnoxiously unrealistic.
J: Norm, why’re you drawn to it?
N: I think this is my first actual corset, like for drag. It’s a really special item to me, since it was a gift from Michelle. Michelle actually taught me how to walk in this! It’s a perfect color scheme for me, and I love to wear it with a big brown skirt. I hope I get to wear it for a long time.
J: You've gotten into drag this year, right?
N: Yeah, last summer. I got top surgery, and before then I didn't really feel comfortable doing drag. And the second I got surgery, I was ready to really experiment with gender. Like if I was born like this, how I could’ve grown from there.