Deadline Hollywood - Disruptors + Cannes Film Festival - 05/13/19

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What saved your vineyard?

new filmmaker in their career, which is what we did

Well, a couple of friends did come to my aid. After

with one another.

Star Wars came out, George Lucas, who was like my kid brother, said he would buy my Napa property

There’s a brilliant documentary, Hearts of

and hold it for 10 years and allow me to buy it back

Darkness, about the making of that film. Your

at the same price, which was the most generous

wife Eleanor co-directed it and appears in

thing a person could do for me.

it, and her belief in your artistic vision was

FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA

It turned out that Apocalypse didn’t get into

unwavering. How important has that been to

financial trouble after all. It opened respectably and

leading this risk-taking maverick movie life?

then it never stopped. What happened is that the

I’ve been married 56 years, and although there

audience kept going and going and going, and, over

probably wasn’t one year where we didn’t talk about

differently, but the first time, they all said it was

time, we began to realize that the picture was going

getting divorced—which any honest marriage would

too long, and I was this scared kid. Now, often

to actually make its money back. On the strength of

admit—the truth of the matter was she witnessed,

when a movie is too long, taking out time doesn’t

the Cannes award, it did very well in France and in

by my side, some pretty extraordinary things. When

necessary help, and sometimes putting more back

other countries. So what saved me in the end was

I was in Hollywood pursuing my original career to try

makes it feel less long to the audience because

the picture itself.

to be a screenwriter I didn’t have any connections,

they understand it better. But I was scared, so I said,

no family who were in the movie business then. I

“We’d better shorten it,” and we did it as much as

This was gracious of George Lucas, but I heard

had no money whatsoever. Whatever happened to

we knew how to when everyone said it was really

that when the Universal hierarchy hated

me started from zero, and she was married to me

weird. “It’s not like those big war movies,” they said.

American Graffiti, wasn’t it you who offered to

at that time. She shared the astonishment that

I said, “But the Vietnam War wasn’t like those kind

buy them out?

I actually was making progress as a professional

of previous World War II movies.” Whereas war

I was astonished; we previewed the picture

screenwriter at first, and ultimately as a filmmaker.

films usually had a New York sensibility—there was

and Universal had an executive there who said,

always a guy from Brooklyn, or Nick Conti played a

“We’re very worried and we want some changes.”

What was the biggest disagreement you had

G.I.—Vietnam was a Californian war. It was surfers

I remember what I said to him, and this is pretty

with her as you bet on yourself at such high

and drugs and rock’n’roll and The Doors.

verbatim. I said, “You ought to get on your knees

financial risk?

and thank this young man for what he did for your

That was never a point of conflict. She never

Vietnam War, but it took so long to cut that Deer

studio.” Furthermore, I offered to buy it from them

wavered in her support of me and my career. I was

Hunter came out before us.

for what it cost, which was $700,000 dollars. I

very lucky. At one time we did go into bankruptcy,

had just made The Godfather, so I could borrow

but it was, ironically, not over Apocalypse Now. It

Did coming out second in the marketplace,

$700,000. Of course, they didn’t accept my offer. I

was One from the Heart, where we once again did

after The Deer Hunter, help or hurt you?

wish they had.

a workout with the bank—it was determined that

Honestly, I don’t know the answer to that question.

I had to pay them back some $25 million. George

The Deer Hunter not only came out but won the

You just celebrated your 80th birthday, and

again offered real help in the way I discussed. But I

Oscar, and, of course, I was the one who presented

George and Marty Scorsese were there. This

made the deal with the bank and I did 10 pictures

it to Michael Cimino. I liked Michael Cimino very

support group—and we need to throw Steven

in 10 or 12 years that paid off the debt. With Bram

much and I was happy for him, but I didn’t know

Spielberg in there as well—what did they mean

Stoker’s Dracula I think we even were in excess of

what awaited me because my film didn’t come

to you?

what I had owed because that film was financially

out for another year. The film that won at the

We really admired each other, but more than

successful. So I went to my wife and said, “You’ve

Oscars our year was Kramer vs. Kramer, which was

that we liked each other. They were all younger

been such a supportive wife. I’ve managed to put

wonderful in that it introduced Meryl Streep, but it

than me, so I was the first one who actually had a

together $10 million. Here it is. Buy an annuity so

was a more conventional movie.

professional career. It was a screenwriting career,

that you never will have to go through this thing

but I was working for the studios and they were still,

where they’re closing the grocery store accounts.”

That must have been awkward: you were

some of them, in film school. George was five years

See, I never had corporations protecting me, any of

presenting because you’d won the previous

younger and Marty is about the same. Steven’s even

that stuff. She said, “Thank you, it’s been rough, but

year for The Godfather, not knowing if following

younger still. They were students. Marty had already

I really appreciate that you have done this.”

that staggering movie was going to hurt yours.

Apocalypse was the first movie to tackle the

Was it a mixed feeling for you?

made Who’s That Knocking at My Door, but he was A generous gesture.

Well, it got further complicated by the fact that,

Then, a week later, I learned that I could buy the

before I gave the award, I improvised a little

for one another. Maybe it’s because I had come

other half of the Inglenook Winery estate. I went

statement that was ridiculed at the time. I said

from theater, where you’re a company, and that

to her and I said, “Give me back that money,” and I

the cinema was going to be changed completely

means a certain social togetherness. You go to

bought that. But that turned out to be one of the

by a new technology that would involve digital

rehearsals and have coffee together. One thing

better investments I ever made in my life. To be

and satellites and electronics, which would

I had contributed to that group was my theater

honest with you, I made more money in the wine

forever change the face of the cinema. People

tradition, which meant that we were all friends and

business than I did in the film business. But I made

were laughing and saying, “What is he smoking?”

we were all a group and helped one another. Those

it with money that I had earned in the film business.

Everything that I said in that statement came true.

also teaching at NYU. There was a real friendship; a mutual respect

filmmakers went on to do the same. I mean, Steven

Now it is used as my prescience, but the truth is I

Spielberg mentored and sponsored three to five

You recut and re-released Apocalypse Now

was very embarrassed by that off-the-cuff thing I

filmmakers in his extraordinary career. The tradition

once before. Why have you done it again?

just threw in.

of American filmmakers was to pick an associate,

So what happened with Apocalypse is, they said

or someone they thought was talented, and help a

it was too long. Now that I’m 80, I see a lot of this

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