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Jeff Smith talks stigma around arts in education By Emma Wozniak, Asst. Arts & Life Editor
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s a high school senior, Jeff Smith’s passion for comics was as strong as when he was a mere 4 years old reading the Sunday morning cartoons with his dad at the kitchen table. With the daunting task of choosing a career inching nearer and nearer as high school graduation loomed over him, Smith informed his favorite art teacher — notably, the only one with whom he didn’t have a “combative relationship” — he was considering applying to a graphic arts position at one of the largest companies in the world. “I’m thinking about putting in an application to Disney,” Smith said. The room went still. “You would never make it at Disney.” Self-doubt flooded Smith’s mind and panic set in. But his teacher quickly clarified that his comment wasn’t a poor evaluation of Smith’s talent, it was quite the opposite; he thought Smith’s imagination would be stifled in such a bureaucratic corporation. He ed
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“And bless him,” Smith said. “Because my life turned out so much better the way it did.” Smith, now 63, has since fulfilled his childhood dream of becoming a successful cartoonist, widely known for his “BONE” comic book series. Inspired by characters he drew during his five years creating comic
strips for The Lantern as an Ohio State student, Smith launched “THORN: The Complete Proto-BONE College Strips 19821986” Oct. 18 on Kickstarter, where fans can see the original designs that provoked Smith to create the popular “BONE” series. However, success stories like these may not feel achievable for many artistic college students. According to Data USA, 964,792 total health degrees were awarded in 2021, along with 860,674 degrees in business and 556,813 in liberal arts and sciences. For visual and performing arts degrees, that number drops to 149,047. E.J. Westlake, the Department of Theatre, Film, and Media Arts chair, said the contrast is likely due to utilitarian values in American culture, which have deemed the arts as unnecessary and unproductive. “What people forget about studying the arts is that there are all of these transferable skills,” Westlake said. “On the one hand, you can make a career as an artist, and on the other hand, the things that you learn doing art end up being things that today’s corporations, today’s employers, really, really value.” Laura Lisbon, the Department of Art chair and professor, agreed the skills developed in pursuing an arts degree are invaluable. “It’s the truth that art stretches one’s mind toward problem-solving differently, opens a space for empathy and understanding other perspectives, all the things that we would
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Jeff Smith (right) signing a fan’s tattoo of Fone Bone, the main character of Smith’s “BONE” series, during a book signing on his “Dawn of Man” National Tour in April.
hope our best leaders have,” Lisbon said. “Art is actually very central to creative inquiry, to thinking about communities, thinking about the world and the oppor-
tunity to do that at the university is so wonderful.”
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Ohio State’s most interesting courses next semester Charlotte Huot, Lantern Reporter
For students hoping to fill up their schedule, look no further than some of the more peculiar picks on Ohio State’s spring schedule. From sports to beer to medieval monsters, there are plenty of options for spare credit hours or general education requirements.
Beer and Wine in Western Culture Beer and Wine in Western Culture is a two-credit hour course that covers the history, production, styles and consumption of beer, wine and distilled spirits as well as the risks associated with alcohol consumption. Divided into four units — the basics of alcohol, beer, wine and distilled spirits — the course gives students the confidence to try new styles of alcohol, according to senior lecturer Brian Waters. Throughout the course there are alcohol tastings with other students, provided they’re at least 21. The interactive nature of the class engages students in learning about the details behind their favorite drinks. “My favorite part by far is working with students and getting to know them,” Waters said. “It really makes my day when I see students engaged and interested in the subject matter/delivery. [It’s] a fun, relaxing and informative way to spend your last semesters at OSU.”
science senior lecturer Srilatha Kolluri said. Aside from tastings, students learn about reading nutrition labels and identifying real chocolate versus chocolate flavors. Students then learn how to make their own chocolates using the scientific skills learned in class. “I enjoy teaching the science piece [because] when those lightbulbs go off, I think [about how] there is so much more to chocolate and all things you put in there,” Kolluri said. “When those lightbulbs go off, that’s the best piece.”
Creating Medieval Monsters: Constructions of the “Other” Medieval Monsters is a three-credit hour course that studies the way medieval Europe developed as a persecuting society and how minorities were targeted, according to the Department of History website. The course is rooted in history, offering a historical view of the “medieval monsters” created in Europe while focusing on Jews, lepers, Muslims, religious nonconformists, sexual nonconformists and women. Counting as a historical studies general education credit, Medieval Monsters is a way for students to learn more about medieval Europe while completing a requirement toward their degree.
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Chocolate Science is a one-credit-hour food sciences course focused on the making, distribution and tasting of different chocolates.
Soccer is a one-credit-hour, activity-based course offered through the Sport Fitness and Health program. The classwork revolves around the rules and regulations for soccer while learning how to actually play.
The course offers tastings of different types of chocolates from white and milk to dark to nutty. From these tastings, students develop sensory skills in the classroom, chocolate
Seamus Reilly, instructor for soccer, said students in the course
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Ohio State offers an array of untraditonal courses to spice up students’ schedules.
come in with different skill sets, creating a diverse selection of people. “Watching people evolve and develop, I really enjoy that — espcially novices,” Reilly said.
a one-credit-hour course where students will develop skills associated with white-water rafting through classroom and pool sessions, culminating in a 2.5day excursion of camping and rafting.
As the class is based on a team sport, students develop teamwork skills through the game, according to the Sport Fitness and Health program website.
The class can benefit students physically through training and rafting and mentally by spending time in nature while fostering teamwork skills, according to the Sport Fitness and Health program website.
“For me, [my favorite part] is that I just work with some incredible people,” Reilly said.
Whitewater Rafting Offered through the Sport Fitness and Health program, whitewater rafting is
“Rafting boosts confidence, it requires grit and perseverance, completing some rapids gives you a sense of accomplishment, like finishing a marathon,” the Sport Fitness and Health program website states.
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CONTINUED FROM PAGE 1 Smith spent roughly four years bouncing around between jobs, trying everything from fast food to bookstores, until he finally set his sights on Ohio State, where he relished in the idea of creating comic strips for The Lantern as a way to practice his art. It was here, in 1982, that Smith met Lucy Shelton Caswell, now professor emerita and founding curator of the Billy Ireland Cartoon Library & Museum. On the first floor of the old journalism building, Smith stumbled across this museum — which he said at the time was called “the Graphic Arts Library or something like that” — and was introduced to Shelton Caswell, who allowed
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Smith to experience the professional world of cartoons for the first time. “She had cultivated relationships with so many cartoonists,” Smith said. “I got to meet all those cartoonists because I was hanging around with Lucy Shelton Caswell.” Since then, Smith and Shelton Caswell agree the resources for students interested in cartoons have expanded immensely, though they said the stigma surrounding arts-related careers has yet to dissipate. Shelton Caswell said if there were more academic opportunities for students to explore the arts from an early age, they may realize they actually possess artistic talent. “I think part of it is that we do not have generally very good arts education,” Shel-
ton Caswell said. “And so we grow up thinking we can’t draw and ‘why would I major in art if I think I can’t draw?’”
which he and Shelton Caswell agreed is a great opportunity to make professional connections and book publishing gigs.
Despite what the statistics may show, Smith said he encourages art-loving students to persevere and follow their passion, so long as they’re willing to put in the work.
“I think for young artists, young cartoonists to talk one-on-one and to hear the stories of people who have made it is a really important thing, and it’s one of the things we’ve tried to accomplish with Cartoon Crossroads Columbus,” Shelton Caswell said. “If you have the burning desire — and I mean seriously willing to sacrifice and take risks — then there is the possibility for success.”
“Don’t give up until you really try,” Smith said. “I had the idea that someone would spot my comic and I’d get a call from some syndicate editor, or maybe it would be just as simple as me sending it in and they would respond. No, I mean, really try it. Get out there.” Smith said he and Shelton Caswell have collaborated to create the entry-level comics festival Cartoon Crossroads Columbus, now going on its 10th year,
More information about Cartoon Crossroads Columbus can be found on its website. “ THORN: The Complete Proto-BONE College Strips 1982-1986” will be available on Kickstarter for crowdfunding until Nov. 17.
USG’s free airport shuttle program back for second year Kyrie Thomas, Lantern Reporter For the second year in a row, the Undergraduate Student Government will make getting home for the holidays a bit easier. USG is partnering with the Department of Transportation and Traffic Management to provide students with free airport shuttles during upcoming academic breaks, which will depart hourly from the Ohio Union loop to John Glenn Columbus International Airport. The shuttles will be available for Thanksgiving break, winter break and spring break, according to a social media post by USG. For Thanksgiving break, shuttles will run Nov. 21 from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m., Nov. 22 from 6 a.m. to noon and Nov. 26 from noon to 8 p.m. Julia Meyer, a fourth-year in business and economics and co-director of student affairs for USG, said she was one of the several out-of-state students who gave personal insight when the project was being created. “Last year, and in previous years, we’ve noticed that on top of our expensive flights, we’d have to pay at least $30 for a Lyft each way to the airport for literally a 10-minute ride,” Meyer said. “Which we thought was pretty ridiculous that out-of-state and international students have to pay for this.”
Although the shuttle was originally created with a focus on out-of-state students, faculty and staff are also encouraged to take advantage of the resource, Amay Kamath, a third-year in neuroscience and deputy director of student affairs for USG, said. “For a lot of students who live out of state or are traveling over break, it’s kind of their mode of transportation to get out of the state of Ohio,” Kamath said. Prior to the integration of USG’s airport shuttles, one of the only ways for students to get from campus to the airport was the COTA bus, which doesn’t have a direct connection, Kamath said. “I think that the airport shuttle is truly just a way to continue building our community and allowing us to have easy access to a gateway that allows us to get home,” Kamath said. With approximately 18,500 students at the Columbus campus claiming residency outside of Ohio, according to Ohio State’s 2022-23 statistical summary, Kamath and Meyer said the process of getting students home inexpensively is an important issue for USG. “[The shuttles] are really convenient
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[and] reliable,” Meyer said. “I had the opportunity to ride one last academic year and it was such an easy experience.” Moving forward, Kamath and Meyer said data will be collected from the previous fall break and the upcoming Thanksgiving break on how to improve
the program for Ohio State students. “I think the end goal is to promote an easier, efficient way for students to get to the airport,” Kamath said. “Maybe in the future there would be other initiatives or this continues because this isn’t just for students now, this is also for students in the future.”
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Local businesses prepare to celebrate Friday release of ‘1989 (Taylor’s Version)’ By Samantha Harden Lantern Reporter “1989 (Taylor’s Version)” is set to drop Friday, and local businesses are preparing their celebrations — Columbus’ version. Fans around the world have been supporting singer-songwriter Taylor Swift through the process of rerecording her first six albums, and Columbus businesses — including Used Kids Records, Ace of Cups, Skully’s Music Diner and more — are honoring Swift’s rerelease of her 2014 pop album “1989” from Thursday until Nov. 4 with listening parties, dances and even a wine tasting. The Swift-themed celebrations below promise more than just cherry lips and crystal skies. Please es are
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We’re The New Romantics: 1989 T.V. Listening & Dance ParTay at Skully’s Music Diner Skully’s Music Diner will host the “We’re The New Romantics: 1989 Listening & Dance ParTay” Thursday at 9:30 p.m. Jim Berling, Skully’s general manager, said the event will continue into Friday’s early-morning hours, giving fans ages 18 and over the opportunity to hear the album for the first time at the event. “From 9:30 p.m. to midnight will be random songs,” Berling said. “At midnight, when the album releases, DJs will download the new album and then run it through [completely].” Berling said tickets, which are priced at
$15, are available for purchase at Used Kids Records, Magnolia Thunderpussy, Rumba Cafe and online leading up to Thursday. At-the-door tickets can be purchased for $20, with an additional $5 fee for those who are not over the age of 21. Skully’s Music Diner is also offering a limited amount of $13 “early bird” tickets online while supplies last.
Taylor Swift 1989 (Taylor’s Version) Listening Party at Used Kids Records Used Kids Records will also host an event of its own Friday: a listening party that includes raffle prizes, themed treats and lots of available-for-purchase copies of the new “1989” vinyl. Event coordinator Tara Ryan-Gallagher said festivities will begin at 6 p.m., and no entry fee is required. Though there are lots of Columbus businesses hosting events for the release, Ryan-Gallagher said Used Kids Records’ party is one of the few that is earlier in the evening and open to all ages. “I know there are bars doing events,” Ryan-Gallagher said. “If you are gonna go to bars later, you can kind of pregame here and buy the album before you go.” Keeping in theme with its complementary listening-party raffle, Used Kids Records will offer two prizes for this event, Ryan-Gallagher said. These include an old Record Store Day exclusive “Folklore” vinyl and a pair of tickets to Ace of Cups’ Taylor Swift-themed dance party (see below).
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Ace of Cups is set to host a Swift-themed dance party Nov. 4 from 8 to 10 p.m., for fans ages 18 and over. Hannah Hines, Ace of Cups’ upcoming Swift event coordinator, said the event aims to provide fans with a space to come together, trade friendship bracelets and make new friends. “The Eras Tour was obviously hard to get tickets to and pricey, but we try to recreate that energy with these nights,” Hines said. “Even if only five people showed up, we would still have a blast because it’s just about celebrating the music you love with people who love it as much as you.” As a Swift fan herself, Hines said she loves getting the opportunity to host Swift-themed events for other fans. “I’ve been to other nights where it did not feel like the DJs were fans of the music, and I think it’s really important for this environment that you’re there because you love it and you get it,” Hines said. The event will boast Swiftthemed decorations, photo opportunities and cocktails, Hines said. Tickets cost $15 per person and can be purchased at the door or online.
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Savor Pint and Columbus 10 for $10, a local series of monthly tastings around Columbus, are joining forces to host a “(Taylor’s Version)” wine tasting Nov. 4 from 7 to 10 p.m. The event costs $20 to attend and includes five 10-ounce pours of wine, all curated by event coordinator Landon Proc-
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Taylor Swift performs songs during The 1989 World Tour at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland on Wednesday, June 3, 2015.
tor. Proctor said the new “1989” album will be streamed throughout the tasting. “There are a lot of lyrics in [Swift’s] songs and interviews where she talks about specific wines or wine-related activities,” Proctor said. “Because it’s something near and dear to Taylor’s heart, we wanted to keep that in mind.” Proctor said he is excited to host another Swift-themed tasting, having held them previously for both the Eras Tour and the 2022 release of Swift’s album “Midnights.” “I love Taylor Swift, and I think that enthusiasm shines through,” Proctor said. “It’s just a really fun and engaging event for everyone involved.”
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Music Industry Club to present its first-ever Halloween concert By Emma Higgins Lantern Reporter Ohio State’s Music Industry Club is bringing a brand-new event to Columbus’ music scene this Halloween season. The student organization, which provides professional networking opportunities to students pursuing careers in the music industry, according to the club’s university webpage, will host its first Halloween concert, titled “A Spooky Summit,” at The Summit Music Hall Sunday. Besides four Columbus-based bands — New Modern, Living is Rare, A Band Called Dreamland and Freak Waves —
“A Spooky Summit” will also feature local DJ T4BR1S, the club’s Instagram page states. Doors open at 6 p.m., with the performances kicking off at 7 p.m. Garrison Henry, a third-year in public policy analysis and political science and the Music Industry Club’s booking chair, said creating a positive concert experience for audience members is a top priority; additionally, he hopes club members can learn what it takes to plan a successful show from beginning to end. “I want to get all these bands that I love, and I know are going to work well together, and we’re going to get them on a stage. But, also it’s about creating a learning experience
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The promotional poster for “A Spooky Summit,” a concert that will be hosted by the Music Industry Club at Summit Music Hall Sunday.
for the members of the club,” Henry said. Having been in the works since spring, the concert-planning process has allowed club members to advance their knowledge regarding set design, creating promotional content and overall show production, Henry said. Isaac Gomez, lead singer and guitarist of Columbus-originated, alternative-rock band New Modern, said he is excited about the present and future opportunities the concert will give small-scale artists. “You want to grow your audience because, for a local band, there’s nothing more important than the local people,” Gomez said. “You know, everyone wants to be famous and all that, but I think at the end you just want to be a part of a community, and I think this show brings that.” Brady Bair, the vocalist, keyboardist and ukulelist of A Band Called Dreamland, said being explicitly booked to play a venue can be somewhat rare for local bands. He said securing an invite to “A Spooky Summit” meant a lot to the genre-mixing trio.
“As of recently, I think we’ve really opened up a lot and have gained a lot of confidence in our performance abilities,” Bair said. “So I think that this show, at least for us, will be a really good performance. I think we’re just going to have fun with it.” Both the participating artists and club members are looking forward to not only having a fun-filled evening but also growing the Music Industry Club’s presence on and off campus, Henry said. “Anyone that comes is going to be supporting a greater cause for the future of this club,” Henry said. “It’s gonna be a good time, and we hope to use this event to sort of trial and error. I mean, we’re gonna do it right, but there’s always stuff to learn from, and we wanna make the next one better, and the next one better, and have better artists, and just grow this thing, grow the audience, really provide to the Columbus music scene.” “A Spooky Summit” is open to any student or Columbus community member who is interested in attending, and tickets can be purchased for $5 via Eventbrite.
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Women’s Soccer: Sidloski carries on sister’s legacy in #WePlayFor3 By Emma Bush Lantern Reporter
If Coley Sidloski could describe her older sister, Ally, in one word, it would be “resilient.” Every game, Ohio State women’s soccer player Coley Sidloski wears the No. 3 on her back in honor of Ally Sidloski, who died tragically in May 2021. Three was the number passed down from one sister to the other. After a day of boating with her friends, Ally Sidloski, 21, was hanging off a swim platform attached to the back of the boat. Unknowingly, carbon monoxide fumes leaked below its exhaust. Ally Sidloski slipped into the water unconscious and drowned, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer.
become more like Ally, like what a great person she was, through the foundation,” Coley Sidloski said.
Growing up in Strongsville, Ohio, with her mom, dad and two older sisters, Coley Sidloski was exposed to soccer at a young age. Coley Sidloski’s father, David, played Division I soccer at Cleveland State for four years and coached his two oldest daughters, Katie and Ally, in travel soccer, as well as Coley Sidloski on her club team, Cleveland FC, she said. “It was 10 consecutive years where I had one of my kids playing varsity soccer at
Strongsville High School,” Tracie Sidloski said. Katie Sidloski went on to play at Indiana State, Ally Sidloski played at the University of Cincinnati and Coley Sidloski is a forward for Ohio State.
The No. 3 was Ally Sidloski’s number, but the number was a common theme in her collegiate soccer career. “She was hurt most of those three years at Cincinnati. She had three knee surgeries in three years and played in only three games,” Tracie Sidloski said. Tracie Sidloski said Ally Sidloski’s presence on the team was paramount. “She was more of an advocate for student-athletes,”
The Hamilton County Coroner’s Office confirmed that carbon monoxide poisoning contributed to the drowning, according to the article. Carbon monoxide poisoning is among the top five causes of boating-related deaths yearly, according to the U.S. Coast Guard.
After Ally Sidloski passed, her strong connections within the Cincinnati student-athlete community were evident. Tracie Sidloski said the hashtag “WePlayFor3” began trending and only grew stronger. Showing support in return, the “We Play for 3” foundation has an endowed scholarship at the University of Cincinnati. “Each year, the university selects a female soccer player to receive our scholarship,” Tracie Sidloski said. “We present it to them at their annual “play for three” games.” The foundation also awards scholarships to women’s soccer players at Strongsville High School. In Coley Sidloski’s senior year at Strongsville, her good friend Libby Zacharias won the scholarship. “I played soccer with her [Zacharias] for 15 years,” Coley Sidloski said. “So it’s cool to see someone who personally knows Ally and gets to honor her name in that respect.” Ally Sidloski is remembered as the ultimate people person by everyone who knew her, Coley Sidloski said.
In her memory, the Sidloski family started the “We Play For 3” foundation to educate people about carbon monoxide in open-air spaces, advocate for legislation, encourage others to live as Ally Sidloski lived and provide scholarships to female student-athletes who have embraced her story. “What happened was a tragedy, and it’s been tough on my family, but what gives me peace and my family peace is allowing what happened to inspire other people to
Tracie Sidloski said. “She was a leader, a cheerleader for her team. She was like the mother hen when anybody else was injured.”
“She was just such a positive impact on the team, and not only on the team but in life,” Coley Sidloski said. “She had so many friends and just — she had so much love for everyone.”
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Women’s soccer player Coley Sidloski playing at the annual #WePlayFor3 tournament in 2022.
Coley Sidloski said the No. 3 soccer jersey is now retired at Strongsville High School and Cincinnati.
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Duke graduate transfer and ACC Defensive Player of the Year Celeste Taylor said she’s also taken note of the great relationships between players and staff while adjusting to the Ohio State brand.
Women’s Basketball: Buckeyes continue building chemistry
“You can see the cohesiveness between the coaches and the players and the rest of the staff,” Taylor said. “Everybody is welcoming people with open arms, and they’ve done a really good job with welcoming us newbies, helping us adjust and fit into the culture and the style.” That cohesiveness will be a factor for this year’s team as five new faces joined the Buckeyes in the offseason, including three transfers and two freshmen. However, the team will still have a lot of experience as 10 players returned from last year’s squad. Sheldon said building trust on the floor first stems from developing those relationships off the court. For the Buckeyes, the easiest way to do this is by having fun with one another. “Before practice, music is always playing. Everybody is always dancing, and I think that music is definitely a good way to bring up the energy and keep the positivity in the gym,” Taylor said.
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Cotie McMahon passes basketballs to a teammate who is competing in a 3-pointer contest at the Buckeyes on the Blacktop event in the Schottenstein Center.
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As the final buzzer sounded on Jan. 19, the Ohio State women’s basketball team found itself sitting at a perfect 19-0 record. Its 84-54 victory against Northwestern that Thursday evening built onto the best start in program history. While Buckeye fans soaked in their team’s success on the court, there was a strong force brewing behind the scenes keeping the team intact: chemistry. “I think it starts with the people that we bring into the program,” head coach Kevin McGuff said. “We make sure we’re bringing in high quality, high character people and the more we do that, the better chance we’re going to have the chemistry that we want.” For Ohio State, chemistry builds the foundation of a culture and a family that
goes beyond the basketball court. Cohesion has helped the Buckeyes make great leaps in recent years, proving to the rest of the country they can compete with the best.
locker room and talk or before practice we’ll sit in the locker room and talk. I think it’s just a comfort thing being around each other, which is a good problem to have.”
Last season, the Buckeyes knocked off No. 2 UConn 73-61 in the Sweet 16 before suffering a 10-point loss to No. 1 seed Virginia Tech. Their deep NCAA tournament appearance was surprising for many as the program had not made the Elite Eight in 30 years.
With all four years under her belt as a Buckeye, Sheldon is not the only player who’s noticed the chemistry and team identity.
However, graduate guard Jacy Sheldon said she was not shocked by last year’s success. Sheldon said the team’s chemistry was built behind the scenes, starting from the Buckeyes’ practice at the Schottenstein Center, she said. “For some reason, we don’t leave after practice,” Sheldon said. “We’ll sit in the
Music and dancing aren’t the only activities the Buckeyes do to keep close. They also watch football games, go bowling and go out to eat as well as bake with their coaches. McGuff emphasized the importance of team building as an essential piece to the development and success of a sports program. “I think it’s everything,” McGuff said. “Chemistry and culture, it’s what I think dictates the ceiling that you have for your program because if you
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