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I nanat t emptt oar chi vecont entf r om i s s uepoi nt five.Ideci ded t or un t hi s i nt er vi ew we di dl as t year .Havi ng pl annedt hi smont hsaheadoft i me,I coul dn’ thavebeen happi ert os eean emai lf r om J os hwi t ht hedet ai l sofhi s l at es tpr oj ect .Is t ar t edt hei nt er vi ew off wi t haques t i ont hatIf el tIs houl das kat ever yi nt er vi ew butwes omehow have f or got t enal ongt heway.-Rol by W hen’ syourbi r t hdayandwhatki ndof c akedoyoul i ke? Oct ober23. Il i ket her i ches tdar k chocol at e you can f ucki ng i magi ne. Es peci al l ywhent heyar r i vebymai l . W her edi dyougr owup? Imovedar oundever yf ewyear sasaki d. Iwasbor nonanAi rFor cebas ei na s mal lt owni nI daho. Myf ami l yt hen moved t o ar ur alt own i ns out her n I l l i noi swher eIgr ew up,andt hent o Phoeni x,Ar i zonawhenIwas16.Idi d col l egei n Tucs on and moved t o San Fr anci s co,CAwhenIgr aduat ed.Il i ve i nBer kel eynow. Canyoudes c r i bes omedefini ngmoment s i nyourl i f et hats hapedwhoyouar easan ar t i s tandani ndi vi dual ? My ear l i es tmemor yi sofmy mom, aunt ,and gr andmal i s t eni ngt o El t on J ohn’ ss ong“Dani el ”ont hecouchi n t hel i vi ngr oom on t hedayaermy br ot her ,whos enamewasal s oDani el , di ed.Ir ememberbei nggi venaG. I .J oe puzzl et ooccupymymi nd.Is pental ot oft i meal onedr awi ngandcol or i ng.-

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Herei san excerptf rom t heki ckst art er descri bi ngt hei deabehi ndt hebook: Dr i i sanar tbookbas e dont heme ani ngofand s e ar c hf orhome .Out s i det hec onfine sofac ade mi cor i ns t i t ut i onals uppor t ,wear ei mme r s e di nunf ami l i ar e nvi r onme nt s ,e ve n,i nt hec as eofMaj a,r e t r ac i ng s ome t hi ngofhe re xpe r i e nc easac hi l dr e f uge e .We t r e att hej our ne yasapi l gr i magei nant i c i pat i onofan unknownde s t i nat i on.Wi t houtpe r mane nts t udi os , wehavet heoppor t uni t yt owor kont hefly,i nt he mome nt ,r at he rt hanae rt hef ac t ,gi vi ngt hebooki t s s e ns eofur ge nc y. . . .

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