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Castlk

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What's the F?

I noticed on ebay today several Invicta Watches where the model Number starts with the letter F. When I bought my Reserve Akula Chronograph from Shop NBC I noticed it too started with an F, the model number is F0013. I have also seen the same watch with just 0013 as the model number. I asked this question in the Ask Jim section a few weeks back but never received a reply. Does anyone know what it signifies? __________________

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"F" stands for Far East/Asian manufacturing. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback "F" stands for Far East/Asian manufacturing. I see, so even though it says Swiss Reserve Collection on it, it's not Swiss made. I thought all Reserve watches were hand assembled in Switzerland, that's what your paying for along


with the 5 year warranty. Does it really make a difference? Supposedly it has a Swiss Ronda 5040D movement in it, or can I assume that's not correct either and that it's probably a Japanese movement? You know, I wondered why it came in the standard issue yellow Invicta box as opposed to the black Reserve box like my Excursion came in. Well it looks good and keeps accurate time anyway, I guess I should be thankful for that at least. Now I know for the next time. __________________

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Originally Posted by Castlk I see, so even though it says Swiss Reserve Collection on it, it's not Swiss made. I thought all Reserve watches were hand assembled in Switzerland, that's what your paying for along with the 5 year warranty. Does it really a difference? Supposedly it has a Swiss Ronda 5040D movement in it, or can I assume that's not correct either and that it's probably a Japanese movement? You know, I wondered why it came in the standard issue yellow Invicta box as opposed to the black Reserve box like my Excursion came in. Well it looks good and keeps accurate time anyway, I guess I should be thankful for that at least. Now I know for the next time. The 5040.D, in those models is the 6 jewel Swiss parts model. It has all Swiss parts, but is assembled in the far east. It also has all the same functions, and is still all metal.


BTW, my $57 dollar Venom came in a Reserve box. I guess each model may come packaged different...IDK. __________________

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Originally Posted by Team Invicta I have been asked to personally clarify the confusion with the markings on the watches. I feel I have a confident and open enough relationship with our customers to make a clear statement and get this matter clarified once and for all. While I know that it is impossible to satisfy everyone, it is our commitment to keep a top level relationship with our very loyal customer base.


There is a definite gray area in the use of the words “Swiss”, “Swiss Made”, “Swiss Movements”, “Swiss Parts”, “Swiss Components”, and “Swiss Registration”. The fact of the matter is that, like in many “multiple-component” products, where the country of origin adds value to the product, we tend to highlight that. A perfect example is the auto industry. You might buy a Mercedes that is manufactured in Mexico using German engineering, some German parts, etc. The brand focuses on highlighting their “German” standards. Much in the same way, the watch industry does when Swiss is present. Without mentioning brands, it is important to understand that Switzerland almost produces NO watch components except parts associated with the movements, and assembly. What this means is that if you bought a $6000.00 Swiss Made Chronograph from “Brand X”, what you are likely buying is a watch that houses a Swiss Made movement (And even the movement components themselves have their own complicated breakdown value. For instance, even if a movement is “Swiss Made”, it does not mean every part in the movement was made in Switzerland, only a given percentage of that ) and the watch was assembled and tested in Switzerland. We do the same, and hopefully that brings clarity to everyone that when we mark a watch “Swiss Made”, you are buying a Swiss Made watch with a Swiss made movement, that is assembled in Switzerland. Then we get into the way we use the word “SWISS”. The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. This includes movements that are bought from SWISS COMPANIES, with SWISS ENGENEERING, that are tested in Switzerland, but has components that are sent off to the Far East for cost purposes to be assembled. Examples of these are ETA, Ronda, ISA, “Far East versions”. They were developed to assist in delivering the consumer more value, on an otherwise identical item. Today, the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing. Then there is the talk about the Swiss Federation. I cannot speak too much into the Swiss Federation standard because it is a private foreign entity, not a law dictating body, and we do not belong to it for a variety of reasons I prefer not to go into. I respect companies developing a stamp of approval and charging for it, such as COSC, but to be part of a group that develops standards on watches based on the direction of the “big players” in the watch industry, and attempting to apply them to smaller companies without giving them a fair chance, is a monopoly, and I am strongly against that. I make this statement on a personal level, and hope that it can bring some level of clarity to this discussion. Sincerely, Eyal http://watchgeeks.net/showpost.php?p...&postcount=396 __________________


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Originally Posted by Mr Horology The 5040.D, in those models is the 6 jewel Swiss parts model. It has all Swiss parts, but is assembled in the far east. It also has all the same functions, and is still all metal.

So is that good or bad, or just to keep the price down so they can sell them cheaper than everyone else that sells the non-F version? __________________


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Originally Posted by Castlk So is that good or bad, or just to keep the price down so they can sell them cheaper than everyone else that sells the non-F version? See Eyal's official statement posted above. __________________

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Originally Posted by Castlk So is that good or bad, or just to keep the price down so they can sell them cheaper than everyone else that sells the non-F version? It is a lower cost version, yes. But it runs the same, and functions the same. __________________

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Originally Posted by Mr Horology It is a lower cost version, yes. But it runs the same, and functions the same. So it's no big deal, and I got a deal besides, cool. Thanks guys for clearing that up, and reading Eyal's statement above explains everything clearly and makes perfect sense. __________________

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Originally Posted by Castlk So it's no big deal, and I got a deal besides, cool. Thanks guys for clearing that up, and reading Eyal's statement above explains everything clearly and makes perfect sense.

Not a big deal at all. Still the same quality movements, that run and


function the same. As a matter of fact, I had to replace a Swiss parts Ronda 5040.D, and it cost me the same as the Swiss made version. Movement prices will only go up from now on. __________________

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in the end, I guess it just matters if you care where it was assembled. since it's reserve it comes with the same 5 year warranty. I have several venoms, with one being an F. It looks just as good as the others, and the only difference you can see is that it only says 'swiss' at 6 oclock, instead of 'swiss made'. I didn't realize the difference when I bought it, as I thought all reserve collection was swiss made. It seems odd to me that the flagship reserves would not be swiss made, but it doesn't bother me too much for the price I paid. Now that I am more educated I would still buy the F's, but I would make sure that the discount was significant. xenon135 View Public Profile Send a private message to xenon135 Send email to xenon135 Find all posts by xenon135 Add xenon135 to Your Contacts #12 Today, 09:43 PM


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Originally Posted by xenon135 in the end, I guess it just matters if you care where it was assembled. since it's reserve it comes with the same 5 year warranty. I have several venoms, with one being an F. It looks just as good as the others, and the only difference you can see is that it only says 'swiss' at 6 oclock, instead of 'swiss made'. I didn't realize the difference when I bought it, as I thought all reserve collection was swiss made. It seems odd to me that the flagship reserves would not be swiss made, but it doesn't bother me too much for the price I paid. Now that I am more educated I would still buy the F's, but I would make sure that the discount was significant. I agree, it doesn't bother me either I was just looking for an explaination that's all. Mine says Swiss at the 6 o'clock position as well and on the caseback, it's fine I have no problem with it. My watch is beautifully made, accurate, looks good and is very comfortable for a big watch. I get inquiries and complements every time it's on my wrist. __________________

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