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405 hp Senior Member Veteran Geek Problem with Speedway DD(I think)

My new Invicta Speedway DD does'nt hit the endices perfectly on the minute hand it is about 15 sec.slow. Looks like a slight misalginment on the minute hand.Is this a deal breaker.

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not sure I understand the 1st part of your statement ???? and 15 sec slow over how long a period of time? __________________

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???....pull the crown out and set it correctly?? Painterguy39 View Public Profile Send a private message to Painterguy39 Find all posts by Painterguy39 Add Painterguy39 to Your Contacts #4 Today, 08:41 AM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: St.Bonifacius,Minnesota Posts: 1,258 Real Name: Jeff

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Are you talking about the chrono minute counter? Painterguy39 View Public Profile Send a private message to Painterguy39 Find all posts by Painterguy39 Add Painterguy39 to Your Contacts #5 Today, 08:41 AM

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If all hands dont line up when you reset it you have a problem.The exception being your small seconds hand it will keep moving. __________________

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I am sorry if I was'nt clear,it is the clock 8:30,8:35 the minute hand does'nt hit the endice right in the center, it is about 15-20 seconds slow before the minute hand is direct center of the minute markers like at 5,10,15,20, minute markers 405 hp View Public Profile Send a private message to 405 hp Send email to 405 hp Find all posts by 405 hp Add 405 hp to Your Contacts #8 Today, 09:08 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted by 405 hp I am sorry if I was'nt clear,it is the clock 8:30,8:35 the minute hand does'nt hit the endice right in the center, it is about 15-20 seconds slow before the minute hand is direct center of the minute markers like at 5,10,15,20, minute markers Just set the minute hand to the middle of the marker when the seconds counter is at 60? What am I missing? __________________ Even the wall clocks are better in Europe. rgmb2 View Public Profile


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I did that and when itgoes to let say 8:30 to 8:35 when the second hand is at 0 the minute hand is not quite on 8:35,it is not perfectly centered. I did stop the watch at 0 seconds and adjust the minute hand exactly but when it goes to the next endice it is about 15-20 second slow of hitting dead center of endice.I hope I explained it completly now. Quote: Originally Posted by rgmb2 Just set the minute hand to the middle of the marker when the seconds counter is at 60? What am I missing?

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Quote: Originally Posted by 405 hp I did that and when itgoes to let say 8:30 to 8:35 when the second hand is at 0 the minute hand is not quite on 8:35,it is not perfectly centered. I did stop the watch at 0 seconds and adjust the minute hand exactly but when it goes to the next endice it is about 15-20 second slow of hitting dead center of endice.I hope I explained it completly now. Not sure I have an explanation for that. Perhaps set the watch perfectly, let it run for 12 hours and see where you are at. If the problem is as you state, you will notice the time being completely off in a 12 hour period ny at least a few minutes. If it is perhaps only misalignment on one or two of the marker placements, then maybe you have an easier time just dealing with it. I have experienced your situation on quartz movements but never with an automatic. __________________ Even the wall clocks are better in Europe. rgmb2 View Public Profile Send a private message to rgmb2 Find all posts by rgmb2 Add rgmb2 to Your Contacts #11 Today, 09:29 AM

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I also would suggest running the watch over the weekend & see if it gets back in sync? __________________


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I think I understand what he's saying...when his second hand strikes zero indicating a new minute say, from 7:59 to 8:00 for instance, he expects the minute hand to be directly over the 12 o'clock position. It's not quite there and it only gets there about 10-15 seconds after the second hand has hit zero. I'm sure when he set the watch he set his minute hand perfectly over the intended minute mark and when the time hit, he pushed the crown in hoping that it would be synced perfectly for the minute and second. I have the same thing with my SAS 7750...the only thing you can do is set the minute hand just slightly ahead of the marker before you push the crown in to start the time...it seems to work for me with my SAS. I have the DD speedway and I noticed this last night as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with your watch...give it a try and see what happens.


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http://betterskills.files.wordpress....statement1.jpg I would send it back if it wasn't perfect. You are obviously a perfectionist. This may not be a good watch for you. __________________ If they don't have tritium, then I'm not getting 'em... mosc View Public Profile Send a private message to mosc Find all posts by mosc Add mosc to Your Contacts #14 Today, 11:30 AM 405 hp Senior Member Veteran Geek

This is 100% right what you wrote.is this a deal breaker for a $800.00 watch Quote: Originally Posted by Wrathchildx

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I think I understand what he's saying...when his second hand strikes zero indicating a new minute say, from 7:59 to 8:00 for instance, he expects the minute hand to be directly over the 12 o'clock position. It's not quite there and it only gets there about 10-15 seconds after the second hand has hit zero. I'm sure when he set the watch he set his minute hand perfectly over the intended minute mark and when the time hit, he pushed the crown in hoping that it would be synced perfectly for the minute and second. I have the same thing with my SAS 7750...the only thing you can do is set the minute hand just slightly ahead of the marker before you push the crown in to start the time...it seems to work for me with my SAS. I have the DD speedway and I noticed this last night as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with your watch...give it a try and see what happens.

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Quote: Originally Posted by 405 hp This is 100% right what you wrote.is this a deal breaker for a $800.00 watch only you can answer that, if you are ok with it then fine. If on the other hand it bugs the crap out of you everytime you look at it, send it back. Tandi View Public Profile Send a private message to Tandi Send email to Tandi Find all posts by Tandi Add Tandi to Your Contacts


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For Me... ...deal breaker, send it back. DiveMaster View Public Profile Send a private message to DiveMaster Send email to DiveMaster Find all posts by DiveMaster Add DiveMaster to Your Contacts #17 Today, 12:05 PM bluloo Senior Member Super Geek

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If I understand correctly, you need to set the minute hand about 30s ahead (i.e, when setting the time for 2:00, the minute hand would be between the 2:00 and 2:01 marker when the seconds hand is at zero). Due to the gear train slop inherent in the movement, it takes about 30s of play to 'catch up' I have to do the same for my Omega Speedmaster reduced (uses the same movement and it's a common 'issue' for owners of the module). It may take a few tries to get the minute hand set exactly right so it hits the minute marker when the seconds hand hits zero. HTH


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I think you are right Lou,The watch does'nt seem to be losing time,what do you think deal breaker or should I keep it. Quote: Originally Posted by bluloo If I understand correctly, you need to set the minute hand about 30s ahead (i.e, when setting the time for 2:00, the minute hand would be between the 2:00 and 2:01 marker when the seconds hand is at zero). Due to the gear train slop inherent in the movement, it takes about 30s of play to 'catch up' I have to do the same for my Omega Speedmaster reduced (uses the same movement and it's a common 'issue' for owners of the module). It may take a few tries to get the minute hand set exactly right so it hits the minute marker when the seconds hand hits zero. HTH

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I completely understand what you are saying. With that said make sure YOU are not being effected by a parallax view! AJ __________________

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It does not sound like a huge issue and if it was me, I might be tempted to overlook it. Give a try to some of the suggestions you have been given here. However, understand that a small issue with this - or any other - movement, might be an indicator of a much greater issue later on. If it really bothers you, send it back for a warranty repair. Hopefully, in like five months, or so, you should get it back in great shape. NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #21 Today, 12:18 PM DenverBuff Member Member Geek

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Bluloo is right. I also have a Speedy Reduced with the same movement - the "slop" is a "feature" of the movement, not a defect. You just need to adjust for it when setting it. It's been a point of discussion a couple of times on the Omega forums. DenverBuff View Public Profile Send a private message to DenverBuff Send email to DenverBuff Find all posts by DenverBuff Add DenverBuff to Your Contacts


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I think you are right Lou,The watch does'nt seem to be losing time,what do you think deal breaker or should I keep it. It's a quirk of the module, AFAIK most, if not all do it. Seeing this doesn't mean it's not working as is is supposed to. My Omega does the same thing (you can do a Google search for similar issues among Speedy Reduced owners and see that it's not an uncommon question). I love my Speedy and see it as part of the 'charm'. Doesn't seem like there's anything to be concerned about, as far as the movement working properly. If you like the watch, no reason not to keep it. bluloo View Public Profile Send a private message to bluloo Find all posts by bluloo Add bluloo to Your Contacts #24 Today, 12:29 PM 405 hp Senior Member Veteran Geek

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That is why I love this site and the vast knowledge of the watchgeeks,I am just a novice and fairly new collector,I am just trying to learn more without getting excited and saying this watch is junk right away .I think I can live with this as long as it does'nt start losing time.Thanks Lou for the info. 405 hp View Public Profile Send a private message to 405 hp Send email to 405 hp


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Quote: Originally Posted by 405 hp This is 100% right what you wrote.is this a deal breaker for a $800.00 watch Greg I don't think it's a deal breaker at all. All watches (even expensive ones) do this to some extent. Like previous posters have said, there is some natural play in the gear train and it takes a from a few to several seconds for all the "slack" to be taken up before the minute hand starts to move. As has already been suggested, when you're setting it, just set your minute hand a bit off the mark to make up for difference. Another thing to try is when setting the minute hand, move it just past where you want to set it (by only a few minutes) then back the minute hand up to where you want it. This helps take up some of that slack or free play in the gear train. Gook Luck! harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com Member Member Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by DenverBuff Bluloo is right. I also have a Speedy Reduced with the same movement - the "slop" is a "feature" of the movement, not a defect. You just need to adjust for it when setting it. It's been a point of discussion a couple of times on the Omega forums. Agree, I have a 2894-2 movement that behaves in this fashion. There is built in play.


To compensate, I need to advance the hand clockwise to the mark +15 seconds, then it syncs up. ALSO MAKE NOTE of this, I need to advance the hand clockwise/forward. IF I go backwards to the mark, it literally takes 3 minutes for the slop to catch up, then my time would be off by three minutes. This is actually an annoyance to me, but a method that I have to endure to enjoy this movement. harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com View Public Profile Send a private message to harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com Find all posts by harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com Add harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com to Your Contacts #27 Today, 12:54 PM

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Greg , try setting it 30 seconds ahead that was good advice it should be fine after that . Good Luck __________________


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I too am in the camp of try setting the time several different ways to see if you can take out the "slop" in the gear train. Also, post your issue in "From the Watchmaker's Bench." __________________ Keep your crowns screwed down, my friends.


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As someone suggested when setting the watch go 5-10 minutes ahead and go back to the correct time. __________________



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