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Everyone can relax now. Just received this email from Chris Becker from DD from Christopher Becker <********.com> reply-to Christopher Becker <*******.com> date Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM subject Re: Dubois-Depraz and Invicta We have determined today that the movement is in fact genuine, and that there are no technical problems associated with the movement from the factory. An official statement will be issued on the net shortly.

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I am very glad to hear this! I do not own one, but I believe there are a lot of geeks that just had a collective sigh of relief. I am very curious to hear the formal explanation. All of the speculation, rumors, possibilites...now the facts.... __________________

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Something isn't right first he say's D-D didn't sell to Invicta, now all of a sudden it's real. Where did he get the watch so fast and have it Inspected that quick? Something is fishy. Eyal never responded yet????? __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away watchluv View Public Profile Send a private message to watchluv Find all posts by watchluv Add watchluv to Your Contacts #7 Today, 02:19 PM


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Re-opening.... __________________

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Originally Posted by charleswatts Your candor in the explanation reveals the nature of the relationship you have formed with your viewers.

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I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: • • •

All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise. The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.

Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......

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Never any doubt...thanks. __________________

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Originally Posted by jskelton I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: • • •

All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise. The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.


Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......

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Originally Posted by watchluv Something isn't right first he say's D-D didn't sell to Invicta, now all of a sudden it's real. Where did he get the watch so fast and have it Inspected that quick? Something is fishy. Eyal never responded yet????? DD may have not sold directly to Invicta and the movement will still be legit. All Invicta would need to do is give them a batch number and confirm they are real. bigjimzlll View Public Profile Send a private message to bigjimzlll Find all posts by bigjimzlll Add bigjimzlll to Your Contacts


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So not all watches have the defect? Ones that are working properly don't need servicing? __________________

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Originally Posted by bigjimzlll DD may have not sold directly to Invicta and the movement will still be legit. All Invicta would need to do is give them a batch number and confirm they are real. WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up???? __________________

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Thanks for passing along the information Jim, and also, thanks for re-opening this thread. Like John, I also thought it was very unlikely that these movements were not authentic ... Eyal is just too smart and too savvy too have been duped into purchase of such a large number of replica movements. But, I would also just like to add for the record, that is not the only issue that we are looking for explanation about. So, if Eyal and Mr. Becker issue a joint statement that only assures customers that they have an authentic movement, and leave it at that, it will leave a lot of questions open ..... just a few for example, this is not "speculation" .... these are just a few of the unanswered questions: Eyal said on air that he obtained the movements directly from D-D .... So, why did Mr. Becker say that the owners of D-D told him they had never sold any movements to Invicta? Eyal said on 5-27 that he was working closely with D-D to resolve the problems .... So, why did Mr. Becker say that D-D received no communication from Eyal until 6-11, and then it was just an email to inform them that he had resolved the issue with the hands? Now, I am sure that there are legitimate explantions for this, and I hope that in addition to addressing the authenticity of the movements, that the statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will also clear up all of this apparent confusion.

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hand tolerance ...wasn't Mehdi saying thats was the problem when all this crap went down...+1 for you Drops View Public Profile Send a private message to Drops Find all posts by Drops Add Drops to Your Contacts #17 Today, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jskelton WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up???? Geez...All I was trying to do was difuse other speculation bigjimzlll View Public Profile Send a private message to bigjimzlll Find all posts by bigjimzlll Add bigjimzlll to Your Contacts #19 Today, 02:50 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14,880 Real Name: "Diamond Jim" Skelton

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Originally Posted by Drops hand tolerance ...wasn't Mehdi saying thats was the problem when all this crap went down...+1 for you Yup, he got half of it right which is better than I can say for anyone else (myself included!!!) __________________


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Originally Posted by jskelton WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up???? Seriously! I would like to see this topic rest of a little. Important people will speak soon. Until then maybe we can find other issues to discuss. I think every possible explaination has been typed. I hope, as a group, we can stop the speculation just for a little. Thanks Jim for keeping us updated. You have a tricky role as a representative


between hundreds of thousands of watch geeks and a multi-million dollar company. You know how to keep your cool! __________________

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Thanks Jim. My faith in Invicta is restored and kudos to you for putting up with us. bwag829 View Public Profile Send a private message to bwag829 Find all posts by bwag829 Add bwag829 to Your Contacts #23 Today, 02:56 PM

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So now that this is a non-issue can we please move onto more important things like discussing a new diver lupah,,,stuff that really matters (lol) __________________

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Hopefully Mr. Becker will provide an explanation for his previous statements ! Mr. Becker hasn't retracted his previous statements. A quick google search will turn up other correspondence from Mr. Becker. I would be curious to see of qwickfix received another email from Mr.Becker retracting the authentic email he originally received? Probably not. new2watches View Public Profile Send a private message to new2watches Find all posts by new2watches Add new2watches to Your Contacts #28 Today, 03:06 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: PA Posts: 14,725 Real Name: Mr Horology Aka Mehdi.

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Originally Posted by new2watches Mr. Becker hasn't retracted his previous statements. A quick google search will turn up other correspondence from Mr. Becker. I would be curious to see of qwickfix received another email from Mr.Becker retracting the authentic email he originally received? Probably not. No one knows what will be in the joint statement between DD and Invicta, it may very well clear up all pending issues. That said, until it's released what does it really matter what was said previously. __________________


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Originally Posted by Flyback No one knows what will be in the joint statement between DD and Invicta, it may very well clear up all pending issues. That said, until it's released what does it really matter what was said previously. "What does It really matter what was said previously"? Well I cant speak for anyone


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Thanks for the update Jim I kind of thoght it would turn out this way. __________________

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Originally Posted by BadMax "What does It really matter what was said previously"? Well I cant speak for anyone else but It sure In the hell matters a lot to me, Im sure Im not alone here. So a joint statement by both companies to bring everyone up to date is less important that what was said before the fact. Interesting viewpoint. __________________

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Hopefully the joint statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will address actions that people with this watch need to take, or could take, even if they aren't having operational issues with their watch at the present time. 1. Should there be a general recall of all DD Speedways, even those seemingly ok, to modify them with the extra washer, to insure reliability in the long run? 2. Should people just wait until there is a problem under their 5 year warranty? 3. Could DD Speedway owners who are concerned of a possible problem be offered the option of having the extra washer installed under the dial to insure they won't have a problem even after the warranty expires, or to make their watch more saleable to potential second owners?


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Jim, some folks can't be made happy. You're doing a great job stuck in the middle. Keep up the good work! bkacher1063


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Originally Posted by Flyback So a joint statement by both companies to bring everyone up to date is less important that what was said before the fact. Interesting viewpoint. I think you are kind of twisting his words Brad. Statements were made by the owners of D-D, and by Eyal, that are contradictory .... they can NOT BOTH be true. That matters. If the joint statment only addresses the authenticity of the movements it will not be a complete resolution.


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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink I think you are kind of twisting his words Brad. Statements were made by the owners of D-D, and by Eyal, that are contradictory .... they can NOT BOTH be true. That matters. If the joint statment only addresses the authenticity of the movements it will not be a complete resolution. My point was nobody knows what's going to be addressed. So wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth prior to the release is an effort in futility. I would like to see this "fully" addressed as much as anybody, but why cry foul before the pitch is thrown? __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback My point was nobody knows what's going to be addressed. So wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth prior to the release is an effort in futility. I would like to see this "fully" addressed as much as anybody, but why cry foul before the pitch is thrown? I completely agree with that! __________________ Fatal Error in REALITY.SYS .... Run BIG_BANG.EXE (Y/N)? WatchYaThink View Public Profile Send a private message to WatchYaThink Send email to WatchYaThink Find all posts by WatchYaThink Add WatchYaThink to Your Contacts #41 Today, 03:38 PM Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,635

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I can see this thread going on forever until the official statement is released. (cough) I would (cough) lock it til then (cough) :P __________________


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Yeah, because you gotta know Jim knows a lot more and is obviously encouraged as to the outcome of this matter. When people do start crying foul, they are implicitly suggesting Jim's full of it and I am confident that is not the case... __________________ "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy." -Billy Currington watchdude1 View Public Profile Send a private message to watchdude1 Find all posts by watchdude1 Add watchdude1 to Your Contacts #45 Today, 03:45 PM


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you guy's know what's going to happen with all this hoop laa. once this is work out even the geeks that don't like the combat style will be trying to get any DD they can and that include's the bashing wg web site's GO JIM GO! zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #46 Today, 03:47 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 158

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LOL. That guy, Chris Becker, is totally clueless. How can he be the exclusive U. S. representative for D-D if he didn't know that his company was doing business with Invicta? It's not like Invicta is such a small company that he has never heard of. I wonder what that phone call from Eyal was liked. "Yo, Chris. My name is Eyal. You don't know me, but I own this watch company called Invicta..." tmok2000 View Public Profile Send a private message to tmok2000 Find all posts by tmok2000 Add tmok2000 to Your Contacts #47 Today, 03:49 PM

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Hopefully the joint statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will address actions that people with this watch need to take, or could take, even if they aren't having operational issues with their watch at the present time. 1. Should there be a general recall of all DD Speedways, even those seemingly ok, to modify them with the extra washer, to insure reliability in the long run? 2. Should people just wait until there is a problem under their 5 year warranty? 3. Could DD Speedway owners who are concerned of a possible problem be offered the option of having the extra washer installed under the dial to insure they won't have a problem even after the warranty expires, or to make their watch more saleable to potential second owners? My comments exactly in a more detailed manner. __________________

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Originally Posted by wave3214 So now that this is a non-issue can we please move onto more important things like discussing a new diver lupah,,,stuff that really matters (lol) The movement authenticity is a non-issue Steve, however the fact that the watches are defective, or potentially so, very much remains an issue to those who have one. There's a lot of questions that need to be answered in that regard, and I'm sure those answers are forthcoming.


I would expect the contradictory statements to forever remain a mystery. __________________

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Originally Posted by tmok2000 LOL. That guy, Chris Becker, is totally clueless. How can he be the exclusive U. S. representative for D-D if he didn't know that his company was doing business with Invicta? It's not like Invicta is such a small company that he has never heard of. I wonder what that phone call from Eyal was liked. "Yo, Chris. My name is Eyal. You don't know me, but I own this watch company called Invicta..." Obviously Mr. Becker didn't get the facts before he made his statement, because it appears he was totally incorrect. __________________


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Originally Posted by watchdude1 Yeah, because you gotta know Jim knows a lot more and is obviously encouraged as to the outcome of this matter. When people do start crying foul, they are implicitly suggesting Jim's full of it and I am confident that is not the case... Nobody is "crying foul", we are discussing the background and circumstances of the situation ... and I don't see any post here that by any stretch of the imagination could be construed to imply anything negative towards Jim. There is a very civil and respectful conversation going on here. I just can't imagine WHY anyone would come in here and call for the thread to be locked !!?? __________________ Fatal Error in REALITY.SYS .... Run BIG_BANG.EXE (Y/N)?

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Statements were made by the owners of D-D, and by Eyal, that are contradictory .... they can NOT


BOTH be true. That matters. If the joint statment only addresses the authenticity of the movements it will not be a complete resolution. Exactly. IMO the initial statements say a lot more about the situation than future fabrications. I guess some only hear/believe what best suits them. I'm not looking for trouble, but let's be realistic. RunninOnEmpty View Public Profile Send a private message to RunninOnEmpty Find all posts by RunninOnEmpty Add RunninOnEmpty to Your Contacts #52 Today, 03:53 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: California Posts: 810 Real Name: Jay Malloy

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This is good news. What a hell of a deal for those that got one at that price. JFM View Public Profile Send a private message to JFM Send email to JFM Find all posts by JFM Add JFM to Your Contacts #53 Today, 03:55 PM Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Woodlands, TX Posts: 2,565 Real Name: Matt

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Nobody is "crying foul", we are discussing the background and circumstances of the situation ... and I don't see any post here that by any stretch of the imagination could be construed to imply anything negative towards Jim. There is a very civil and respectful conversation going on here. I just can't imagine WHY anyone would come in here and call for the thread to be locked !!?? No, simply agreeing with Brad...the conversation is civil and respectful. Let's keep it that way __________________ "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy." -Billy Currington watchdude1 View Public Profile Send a private message to watchdude1 Find all posts by watchdude1 Add watchdude1 to Your Contacts #54 Today, 03:56 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nebraska Posts: 712 Real Name: Ralph

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Maybe this will put this issue to rest !! __________________ Remember what we do in life echoes in eternity rmar View Public Profile Send a private message to rmar Send email to rmar Find all posts by rmar Add rmar to Your Contacts #55 Today, 03:57 PM


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Originally Posted by CharlieB I would expect the contradictory statements to forever remain a mystery. That would be a real shame. It would then continuously be brought up.

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Originally Posted by timeman Obviously Mr. Becker didn't get the facts before he made his statement, because it appears he was totally incorrect. Mr. Becker stated he got his facts from three seperate conversations on the issue directly with the owners of D-D. __________________ Fatal Error in REALITY.SYS .... Run BIG_BANG.EXE (Y/N)? WatchYaThink View Public Profile Send a private message to WatchYaThink Send email to WatchYaThink Find all posts by WatchYaThink Add WatchYaThink to Your Contacts #56 Today, 03:58 PM Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 18,303 Real Name: Gene

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That's great to hear, thanks for the info. I hope this puts the other threads to rest. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback No one knows what will be in the joint statement between DD and Invicta, it may very well clear up all pending issues. That said, until it's released what does it really matter what was said previously.

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Originally Posted by timeman Obviously Mr. Becker didn't get the facts before he made his statement, because it appears he was totally incorrect. Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Mr. Becker stated he got his facts from three seperate conversations on the issue directly with the owners of D-D. I'm referring to Mr. Becker's statement regarding D-D business dealings with Invicta. __________________

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Originally Posted by tmok2000 LOL. That guy, Chris Becker, is totally clueless. How can he be the exclusive U. S. representative for D-D if he didn't know that his company was doing business with Invicta? It's not like Invicta is such a small company that he has never heard of. I wonder what that phone call from Eyal was liked. "Yo, Chris. My name is Eyal. You don't know me, but I own this watch company called Invicta..." Your comments are total speculation. In Mr. Becker's email he emphatically stated that he spoke directly with the owners of DD 3 times regarding this issue. So he was very clear and had input from the company owners; his boss(es). Just because the movements are authentic doesn't mean that they were purchased directly from DD as was originally claimed when they were being sold. Mr. Becker has not contradicted any of his earlier statements. new2watches View Public Profile Send a private message to new2watches Find all posts by new2watches Add new2watches to Your Contacts #61 Today, 04:03 PM

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Cant wait to see the joint message. This should be interesting. I'd love to know where the breakdown in communications came from __________________ So many watches, so little time (and money). watchnut62 View Public Profile Send a private message to watchnut62 Find all posts by watchnut62 Add watchnut62 to Your Contacts #62 Today, 04:04 PM


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Originally Posted by timeman I'm referring to Mr. Becker's statement regarding D-D business dealings with Invicta. So is WatchYaThink. new2watches View Public Profile Send a private message to new2watches Find all posts by new2watches Add new2watches to Your Contacts #64 Today, 04:08 PM


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Originally Posted by jskelton WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up???? Did you honestly expect anything different? bluloo View Public Profile Send a private message to bluloo


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Jim thanks for the information and the patience it has taken on this matter. I am not one of the owners of this watch but I do believe in the quality of the company from the many other models that I have brought. While I believe that you have ample cause to ;/l'qwkjpoerij I'm of the opinion that as a rep who does an outstanding job, you will continue doing as you do best, selling with quality the upper most in mind. Again thanks for the patience of those who don't have any. Lastkey31 lastkey31 View Public Profile Send a private message to lastkey31 Find all posts by lastkey31 Add lastkey31 to Your Contacts #67 Today, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bluloo Quote:Originally Posted by jskelton WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up????

Did you honestly expect anything different? The only answer we received from both parties is that the movement is authentic, other than that, nothing. new2watches View Public Profile Send a private message to new2watches Find all posts by new2watches Add new2watches to Your Contacts #68 Today, 04:30 PM


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Good points that I would hope we all will get answers on.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Thanks for passing along the information Jim, and also, thanks for re-opening this thread. Like John, I also thought it was very unlikely that these movements were not authentic ... Eyal is just too smart and too savvy too have been duped into purchase of such a large number of replica movements. But, I would also just like to add for the record, that is not the only issue that we are looking for explanation about. So, if Eyal and Mr. Becker issue a joint statement that only assures customers that they have an authentic movement, and leave it at that, it will leave a lot of questions open ..... just a few for example, this is not "speculation" .... these are just a few of the unanswered questions: Eyal said on air that he obtained the movements directly from D-D .... So, why did Mr. Becker say that the owners of D-D told him they had never sold any movements to Invicta? Eyal said on 5-27 that he was working closely with D-D to resolve the problems .... So, why did Mr. Becker say that D-D received no communication from Eyal until 611, and then it was just an email to inform them that he had resolved the issue with the hands? Now, I am sure that there are legitimate explantions for this, and I hope that in addition to addressing the authenticity of the movements, that the statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will also clear up all of this apparent confusion.

Now I guess we need to standby and wait for a couple of more days for the official statement ...... you KNOW that us geeks are NOT good at that! ..... __________________


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My speculation is that Invicta got the DD modules from a partner company or friendly third party. In assembly at Invicta or partner company somebody installed the hands without the washer and some of the guys/gals who bought the watch have had problems. Invicta will eventually take care of the problem and some will be angry at having to go through all of this. Ultimately some people will be happy and others not so much and a significant few will just be pissed off. The watch with the DD module will go up in price and become a collectors item. The one thing that all can agree to is that this has been a real "trip" in the world of Watch Geeks! ProfessorB __________________


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Originally Posted by tmok2000 LOL. That guy, Chris Becker, is totally clueless. How can he be the exclusive U. S. representative for D-D if he didn't know that his company was doing business with Invicta? It's not like Invicta is such a small company that he has never heard of. I wonder what that phone call from Eyal was liked. "Yo, Chris. My name is Eyal. You don't know me, but I own this watch company called Invicta..." That is exactly why there is still some speculation. The only thing that has been addressed so far is that the movements are indeed genuine Dubois-Depraz movements, not where or how they were obtained. Hopefully that question gets answered in the next couple of days. __________________

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Originally Posted by new2watches The only answer we received from both parties is that the movement is authentic, other than that, nothing. Okay, but the statement hasn't even been given yet. How about waiting for that to see what all is answered? I'm just as interested as everyone else to see how this all unfolds, but until that statement is made... __________________ Eric. emathieu View Public Profile Send a private message to emathieu Find all posts by emathieu Add emathieu to Your Contacts #72 Today, 04:40 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: PA Posts: 14,725 Real Name: Mr Horology Aka Mehdi.

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I sure wish Eyal Lalo would hire Mehdi as Chief of Quality Control. Those watches would have never left the factory in the condition they did if Mehdi had checked them out first. ~ Denise rottieluv View Public Profile Send a private message to rottieluv Find all posts by rottieluv Add rottieluv to Your Contacts #74 Today, 04:44 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: PA Posts: 14,725 Real Name: Mr Horology Aka Mehdi.

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I sure wish Eyal Lalo would hire Mehdi as Chief of Quality Control. Those watches would have never left the factory in the condition they did if Mehdi had checked them out first. ~ Denise Thanks Denise, I appreciate the kind words. __________________

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I sure wish Eyal Lalo would hire Mehdi as Chief of Quality Control. Those watches would have never left the factory in the condition they did if Mehdi had checked them out first.


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I'm sure glad that those that are gloating are having your comments allowed to be typed here. -I believe in the rights to be able to type anything that you believe as long as it follows the TOS, so type away. It will be really interesting when -there is a change of heart after the official statements from both parties. A simple "Google Search" will explain further information that hasn't been stated here. I would suggest to keep that in mind. I am not going to speculate until there is Official word. I hope that those who are personally affected by this can achieve a satisfactory resolution. As for me, I am eagerly awaiting both Statements. Thank you for reading.


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What fun would it be around here if we couldn't speculate on a certain issue that is so controversial. Especially for those of us who have no skin in the game on this watch. This is almost like watching tennis or ping pong with the ball being batted back and forth and the outcome will never be truly settled, even after the outcome is revealed. Your serve!

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Let's wait for the official statement before we look for a conspiracy here. I'm sure both companies lawyers are hard at work on the "official statements".

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Originally Posted by new2watches Originally Posted by bluloo Quote:Originally Posted by jskelton WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up???? Did you honestly expect anything different?

The only answer we received from both parties is that the movement is authentic, other than that, nothing. Quote:

Originally Posted by emathieu Okay, but the statement hasn't even been given yet. How about waiting for that to see what all is answered? I'm just as interested as everyone else to see how this all unfolds, but until that statement is made... My above statement was based upon bluloo's comment of expectation and Jim's comment of surprise. Nothing else. The comment that only the movement has been authenticated and no comments surrounding all of the other claims since this fiasco began have been answered is factual. I don't understand your interpretation of impatience.

As a matter of fact I have my and and am very patiently waiting and as Time Bandit stated "A simple "Google Search" will explain further information that hasn't been stated here." Time for another beer.

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Originally Posted by jskelton WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up???? What answers Jim? The only thing I heard is that the movements are real?

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Originally Posted by Mr Horology Indeed, he did Nice job there Mehdi your on your game

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Originally Posted by Flyback My point was nobody knows what's going to be addressed. So wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth prior to the release is an effort in futility. I would like to see this "fully" addressed as much as anybody, but why cry foul before the pitch is thrown? Because one has been repeatedly beaned in the noggin by wild pitches? How'd Eyal do with that customs compliance issue which you so expertly explained during the last contretemps? I don't recall him addressing that, do you? I'm sorry Brad but I don't find your optimism very persuasive.

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I believe this to be a matter of the highest importance. This is a business. And, in the watch biz this is called " buying time. " .. However, Jim has offered that an explanation which will be sufficient 'is' forthcoming. I would suggest that instead of 'speculating' that, out of respect for Jim's hard work in the 'biz' that you all, and I mean everyone, give he and Eyal, and, whomever is involved with this elusive third party mfg/distributor the deserved and well earned chance to explain themselves and the situation before passing judgement. We are all supposed to be watch geek forum members who trust one another. Need I say more ? Mr. Blue

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Originally Posted by Russell3 What answers Jim? The only thing I heard is that the movements are real? Quote:

Originally Posted by jskelton I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise. • The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute. • •

Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......


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Originally Posted by jackson Because one has been repeatedly beaned in the noggin by wild pitches? How'd Eyal do with that customs compliance issue which you so expertly explained during the last contretemps? I don't recall him addressing that, do you? I'm sorry Brad but I don't find your optimism very persuasive. It's not optimism. Since none of us are clairvoyant, why not wait to praise or condemn once the facts are in hand. Until that time, it's all a bunch of blather. __________________

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Was there mention to where the movements were purchased?

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Thats good to hear! I'm still curious to know where all the confusion came from or started with? __________________

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Thanks Jim for helping us clear things up.

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Originally Posted by BRUCER Was there mention to where the movements were purchased? The joint statement hasn't been released, so the answer would be no. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback Originally Posted by Russell3 What answers Jim? The only thing I heard is that the movements are real? Let's break this down Originally Posted by jskelton I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD, OK the movement is authentic, nothing as to where or from whom they were purchased, DD is sticking to their claim of not directly from them. â&#x20AC;˘ Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise.OK, Mr. Becker, along with his previous emails is proven legit â&#x20AC;˘ The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models, just because a washer that looks like it WILL be purchased directly from DD doesn't imply that the movement was. Actually if Invicta had worked with DD in the development of the watch the washer/clearance issue most likely would not have happened, but the last part of this statement is speculation on my part This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute. â&#x20AC;˘

Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......

-Jim So what actually got answered other than the authenticity of the movement and that Mr. Becker was who he claimed he was? (ALL red is my addition)


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Originally Posted by new2watches So what actually got answered other than the authenticity of the movement and tha Mr. Becker was who he claimed he was? (ALL red is my addition) If that's all you can see/read in Jim's post, I can't help you with reading comprehension. As I've stated here and elsewhere, why wring your hands - wait for the joint statement and then praise or attack it. __________________


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Originally Posted by Flyback If that's all you can see/read in Jim's post, I can't help you with reading comprehension. As I've stated here and elsewhere, why wring your hands - wait for the joint statement and then praise or attack it. That's all that Jim's statement clears up, to interpret anything else out of it is speculation which we have been asked to refrain from. No wringing of hands here. One hand in the popcorn and the other on the drink. Assuming and speculation I try to refrain from, although I do sucked in every once in a while, trying to avoid the gravitational pull on this one.

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I'm gonna do as Brad and Jim says and wait patiently for the joint statement. Mmmmmmm joint statement.

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I'm gonna do as Brad and Jim says and wait patiently for the joint statement. Mmmmmmm joint statement.

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I'm gonna do as Brad and Jim says and wait patiently for the joint statement. Mmmmmmm joint statement.

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Originally Posted by RenatoDiamond That's great to hear, thanks for the info. I hope this puts the other threads to rest. What other threads?

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Originally Posted by jskelton I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise. • The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute. • •

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-Jim

Who does Mr. Chris Becker represent if not D-D ? __________________

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Originally Posted by Franky5Angels Who does Mr. Chris Becker represent if not D-D ? What? __________________


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Originally Posted by 2ndThought What other threads? There's a whole sub-forum set aside for that purpose. Read away. http://watchgeeks.net/forumdisplay.php?f=102 __________________


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Wowzers some folks need to get out more. Here I was thinking I could get some real information out of this thread...but no, just the same old gripes and BS. Moving on to something that matters more to me. Wake me up when the dust has cleared J.S. All the crap you get from arm chair quarterbacks...man, it's wonder you have your hair still. __________________

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This is so completely outrageous. I have not posted in a while since the whole Swiss/Swiss Made fiasco, which was no revelation to me, but a revelation with regard to how my forum mates reacted (or in many cases, didn't react) to it. Color me fed up, so I took a break from this forum. Then I come back today and I see this sh!t dripping off the fan. Sigh. That said, I have a new Invicta in the mail right now But it's an econo-job, a Pro Diver GMT on mesh I got for $68. That's the kind of watch I will buy from this company. A cheapie. I'm sure for $68 this thing will be great. I'll put it on and jump in the pool. But my "real" money goes (as it always has) elsewhere. I hope those of you who bought DD Speedways get satisfactory information/resolution and that you can enjoy your watches if you aren't already. Eric. __________________

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Hopefully Mr. Becker will provide an explanation for his previous statements ! Jim, stated in this post, there will be a joint statement by Eyal & Mr. Becker, on this issue!

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Originally Posted by Flyback I don't think he could afford him!

Humm, I dunno' abow' dat!!!; i.e., ... ... FYI, Eyal's Dad, Abraham, just 'blew' $5,000,000 on a 'Farmer's Market' adjacent to their HQ in Fla.! ... ... http://mobile.sun-sentinel.com/inf/i...827&nopaging=1 I'll bet Mehdi would have gladly accepted a 'similar stipend' to compensate for his services ... __________________ HI! - I'm Larry & I'm Wacky About Watches -

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