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A Watchmaker gave me his opinion of Invicta today This morning I had some time to kill in between appointments, so I checked out a couple of Jewelry stores to see what was out there. The resident watchmaker at one of the establishments inquired about my time piece, it was the Invicta SAN III 7750 with the white perforated dial. He seemed very surprised by it as soon as I handed it over to him, when I asked him what was wrong he said that he was taken back a little by the watch. He said he had never given Invicta any consideration since they were mainly an infomercial brand. After examining it further with his loop, he said it was surprisingly of high quality and well made. He also said the only corners that were cut as far as he could tell was the use of friction pins on the bracelet and suggested I have it converted to a screw system. This is now the fifth conversation like this I have had with Jewelers or watchmakers in the last year or so. Other models spoken well of were my invicta Sea Rover (stainless with black dial) and Ocean Reef (two tone stainless and black with blue dial) and lastly my Renato T REX Diver (black/orange) with Ronda 5040f busy dial, and the 7750 version (black/orange). It's always nice to hear from those in the profession of selling and repairing watches and their honest opinion of the watches that I've bought from the shop.

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Great story. Good to know some of the watches I have are of good quality. It doesn't have to be a Breitling (wish I had one __________________

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Thanks for sharing. I often wandered what a professional would say about Invicta. Glad to hear he was impressed. __________________

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Thanks for the info ... With all the negative posts lately it is good to see something positive from someone who is qualified. goldie'sdad View Public Profile Send a private message to goldie'sdad Find all posts by goldie'sdad Add goldie'sdad to Your Contacts #6 Yesterday, 02:06 PM


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Thanks for sharing that. Very cool story. __________________ Corvettes & Watches

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My guy tries to play them off,only carries normal sized watches,but he jumps up when I come in ...to see whats next!lol(I size my own now,but he still likes to see 'em)


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I'm not surprised at all. I've been complimented by several high end jewelers and watchmakers on some of my Invictas. Thanks for sharing... __________________ Life is Good. Especially when you're wearing a nice watch. salesguru View Public Profile Send a private message to salesguru Find all posts by salesguru Add salesguru to Your Contacts #9 Yesterday, 02:21 PM


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It's always good to hear varying opinions, thanks for sharing. I'd love to see a write up from a few in the field on their views of the different movements. __________________

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Wow thats cool thanks rastafadda1953 View Public Profile

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I concur with that statement. __________________

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Mine says the same thing, he also freaks on the aggressive designs. __________________

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I've worn my Invicta watches to jewelery stores, But when I wear them in a casino and go to a high end Jewelery store I usually get mixed reviews. __________________


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Well,that's good to here Kudos to Invicta,Renato BRUCER View Public Profile Send a private message to BRUCER Send email to BRUCER Find all posts by BRUCER Add BRUCER to Your Contacts #15 Yesterday, 02:31 PM

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Well, that is a NICE Invicta you were showing him, so I'm glad he agreed!! Thanks for sharing!! Magster View Public Profile Send a private message to Magster Find all posts by Magster Add Magster to Your Contacts #16 Yesterday, 02:35 PM

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Thanks For Sharing...Im with your Jeweler...out with the pins in with the screws...no pun intended...lol... __________________


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Very nice. Good to see that quality is confirmed by a profesional. And if anyone is looking for this exact same "quality timepiece" look in the for sale section __________________


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Can you do the this pin's to screw's with any braclet? Maybe SANIV supersport396 View Public Profile Send a private message to supersport396 Find all posts by supersport396 Add supersport396 to Your Contacts #19 Yesterday, 02:45 PM

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I've heard mostly mixed reviews from watchmakers, no real facts just opinions though. I also think friction pins are so much less trouble (from a user/wearer perspective) than screws, so I don't consider it cutting corners at all. tkromer View Public Profile Send a private message to tkromer Send email to tkromer Find all posts by tkromer Add tkromer to Your Contacts #20 Yesterday, 02:47 PM

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and how do we convert from the friction pins to screw system...? XERO View Public Profile Send a private message to XERO Find all posts by XERO Add XERO to Your Contacts

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i have never walked out of a building without someone stopping me and asking about my invicta timepiece. __________________ Blue Stevens BlueMcgee View Public Profile Send a private message to BlueMcgee Send email to BlueMcgee Find all posts by BlueMcgee Add BlueMcgee to Your Contacts #22 Yesterday, 02:50 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted by supersport396 Can you do the this pin's to screw's with any braclet? Maybe SANIV I don't think I can afford the mod. __________________


I've been to the top of the mountain, and it's wet!!! Rog1 View Public Profile Send a private message to Rog1 Find all posts by Rog1 Add Rog1 to Your Contacts #23 Yesterday, 02:51 PM BabyDoc Senior Member Super Geek

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Frankly, that watchmaker's statement about friction pins being replaced with screws makes me wonder about the watchmaker. Many very expensive, high quality watches use friction pins. I have had more screws loosen and lost than I have had friction pins fall out. Give me friction pins any day! BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #24 Yesterday, 02:56 PM rjones1994

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Thankx Jeff. I always feel we get a good bang for the buck with Invicta. rjones1994 View Public Profile Send a private message to rjones1994 Find all posts by rjones1994 Add rjones1994 to Your Contacts #25 Yesterday, 03:05 PM

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The screw system was something that he thought Invicta may offer as an available option for the larger size bracelets .I prefer the friction pin's myself much easier to size. He seemed the need to find at least one area where it could be improved and that was all he mentioned.When I lost a screw on my Commander I was able to get one from a True value Hardware store,special order it cost $12.00 for two, and a week to get in.Any major brand hardware store can work with you on any size or length screw.I cant see why a jeweler cannot do the same,its refereed to as custom made to spec.ordering.

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It's always great to here good things said about something you like.Thanks Jeff. daycoo2 View Public Profile Send a private message to daycoo2 Find all posts by daycoo2 Add daycoo2 to Your Contacts #28 Yesterday, 03:14 PM andrea Member Member Geek

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great story,,,my watch guy loves invicta and has brought a couple himself,,,he said for the money you cant beat them,,,,,,i also think its my money what the hey,,,,, __________________

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Quote: Originally Posted by desert rex This morning I had some time to kill in between appointments, so I checked out a couple of Jewelry stores to see what was out there. The resident watchmaker at one of the establishments inquired about my time piece, it was the Invicta SAN III 7750 with the white perforated dial. He seemed very surprised by it as soon as I handed it over to him, when I asked him what was wrong he said that he was taken back a little by the watch. He said he had never given Invicta any consideration since they were mainly an infomercial brand. After examining it further with his loop, he said it was surprisingly of high quality and well made. He also said the only corners that were cut as far as he could tell was the use of friction pins on the bracelet and suggested I have it converted to a screw system. This is now the fifth conversation like this I have had with Jewelers or watchmakers in the last year or so. Other models spoken well of were my invicta Sea Rover (stainless with black dial) and Ocean Reef (two tone stainless and black with blue dial) and lastly my Renato T REX Diver (black/orange) with Ronda 5040f busy dial, and the 7750 version (black/orange). It's always nice to hear from those in the profession of selling and repairing watches and their honest opinion of the watches that I've bought from the shop. It's really too bad that so many think "TV watch" when Invicta comes into the conversation especially when they've never seen one. I had the same experience as you when I had my Reserve Speedway XL sized by an elderly jeweler and watchmaker. He was very impressed to say the least which made me happy of course. TM Maker View Public Profile Send a private message to TM Maker Find all posts by TM Maker Add TM Maker to Your Contacts #31 Yesterday, 03:46 PM


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Some Invictas are better than others (duh).... You showed him a good one, but then there are others that do not rate as well. My point...Invictas are uneven in their quality. __________________ RUTHIE Red Ryder View Public Profile Send a private message to Red Ryder Send email to Red Ryder Find all posts by Red Ryder Add Red Ryder to Your Contacts #32 Yesterday, 03:47 PM darth indy Senior Member Senior Geek

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Finally some respect from someone in the industry. I love my Invictas no matter what anyone says. __________________

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Thanks for sharing. I am glad he recognized the quality of the watch. surferman View Public Profile Send a private message to surferman Find all posts by surferman Add surferman to Your Contacts #34 Yesterday, 03:48 PM barnes Member Member Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc Frankly, that watchmaker's statement about friction pins being replaced with screws makes me wonder about the watchmaker. Many very expensive, high quality watches use friction pins. I have had more screws loosen and lost than I have had friction pins fall out. Give me friction pins any day! Agree. I'm always checking to see if I have a screw loose. barnes View Public Profile Send a private message to barnes


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Great story. Thanks for sharing and enjoy. Watchaholic329 View Public Profile Send a private message to Watchaholic329 Find all posts by Watchaholic329 Add Watchaholic329 to Your Contacts #36 Yesterday, 03:59 PM invictamatic Member Member Geek

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I would love to agree with you (but I can't). After all the Invicta's I have purchased, I would hope the watchmakers are impressed. All the ones I talk to will always do the work I ask, but none have glowing endorsements for the big "I". I so wish it were different, sales people have nice things to say, watch experts (my repair people including watchmakers) not so much.............just my experience. __________________ Collecting Value, One Invicta At A Time!


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Nice to hear. I have been told the same by a manager of a very large Jewelry chain and guess what? He collects Invictas __________________

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Nice story. Myself, I would prefer to see a collar and pin instead of either the friction pin or screw. Just my 2 cents............. johnwicz View Public Profile Send a private message to johnwicz Find all posts by johnwicz Add johnwicz to Your Contacts #39 Yesterday, 04:26 PM

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I have only been to one guy and he is probably in his 30s and he knows the industry pretty well.I have taken all Shop brands into him to take a look and the only watches he was impressed with were my SWI LE both the 2824 & the 7750.He is a watch snob I have to add. I once asked him whats the best watch to buy in the $3k range and he said none.He says a watch needs to be a Manufacture watch (Makes their own movements) to be a great watch.He does like the high end Seikos and Citizens. He wears Panerais and Rolex and Citizen.He does own one Invicta the Lemantia copy that he bought to take a look at the movement.He is trying to patent his own movements.


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Quote: Originally Posted by barnes Agree. I'm always checking to see if I have a screw loose. This jewelers sugggestion that you modify the bracelet because it has friction pins makes zero sense to me. Why modify something that presents no problem. I agree with the above, screws look cool, but they can get loose and fall out or be stipped. I have never had a problem with friction pins but have had problem with screws! My opinion is anything some one tells you in jewelry store should be take with a grain of salt Basically even the repair man is a saleman. I think Invicta makes a good watch and I continue to buy them CIGARRED View Public Profile Send a private message to CIGARRED


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My jeweler and his son who works there never make any complimentary remarks about my Invictas. Everyone else I coem across does, but they are less than impressed. The best I'll get out of them is a chuckle and a "Wow... this thing is just tremendous" __________________

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my watchmaker,ex rolex and omega factory. Has seen my invictas and renato,and looked at them with a chuckle! His main contention was from a investment point. In most cases all shop brands(invicta,renato etc are fine, but down the road when you try to sell them (used ) you get pennies on the dollar. All the big names hold thier value and sometimes even increase in value. That said enjoy whatever watch you desire!! You have one life to live,and watches are part of your life!! So what if you don't get your investment back.the enjoyment you recieved from the watches far surpasses money spent!! Wear and enjoy your watches!! Life is too short to wait for a return on them!!!! numiswatchrocker View Public Profile Send a private message to numiswatchrocker Send email to numiswatchrocker Find all posts by numiswatchrocker Add numiswatchrocker to Your Contacts #43 Yesterday, 05:26 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted by CIGARRED This jewelers sugggestion that you modify the bracelet because it has friction pins makes zero sense to me. Why modify something that presents no problem. I agree with the above, screws look cool, but they can get loose and fall out or be stipped. I have never had a problem with friction pins but have had problem with screws! My opinion is anything some one tells you in jewelry store should be take with a grain of salt


Basically even the repair man is a saleman. I think Invicta makes a good watch and I continue to buy them I guess it's just a matter of personal preference on his part,which would make sense to me since he was offering me his opinion. But if you do own a SAN III then you most likely are aware that you do have to stretch open the friction pins periodically to keep them tight.maybe he picked up on this,but I was too interested in what else he had to say.I deal with Ceo's and Legal teams from some of the largest company,s in the country all day long,thanks for the jewelry store caution but I know all too well if someone is trying to blow smoke up my chimney desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #45 Yesterday, 05:31 PM

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And thanks for sharing the results of your inquiry, Jeff!! TymeKeepr1 View Public Profile Send a private message to TymeKeepr1 Send email to TymeKeepr1 Find all posts by TymeKeepr1 Add TymeKeepr1 to Your Contacts #46 Yesterday, 05:36 PM

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I like this story Jeff. It is an honest accounting of an enjoyable experience, untainted by prejudice and rancor .. Thanks for sharing .. Blue mrblue View Public Profile Send a private message to mrblue Find all posts by mrblue Add mrblue to Your Contacts #47 Yesterday, 05:37 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted by numiswatchrocker my watchmaker,ex rolex and omega factory. Has seen my invictas and renato,and looked at them with a chuckle! His main contention was from a investment point. In most cases all shop brands(invicta,renato etc are fine, but down the road when you try to sell them (used ) you get pennies on the dollar. All the big names hold thier value and sometimes even increase in value. That said enjoy whatever watch you desire!! You have one life to live,and watches are part of your life!! So what if you don't get your investment back.the enjoyment you recieved from the watches far surpasses money spent!! Wear and enjoy your watches!! Life is too short to wait for a return on them!!!! I don't recall listing investment retention in my thread,so I am confused why you mentioned it. The sublect is as stated no more or less.And for the record as I have stated here many of times in the past ,I have sold 10 Invicta's and made good money on all of them,double and tipple my investment.You just have to know how to sell,and to who. I'm not going to let a jeweler tell me


how much to sell it for,thats just silly desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #48 Yesterday, 05:38 PM Councilman Rock Senior Member Super Geek

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My guy was speculative at first, but I think having gone through all of the different designs, etc, I think he is genuinely fascinated. His father(it's a family biz) definitely is. __________________ PISTOLS FIRING...TOUCHDOWN COWBOYS!!!! Councilman Rock View Public Profile Send a private message to Councilman Rock Send email to Councilman Rock Find all posts by Councilman Rock Add Councilman Rock to Your Contacts #49 Yesterday, 05:41 PM Councilman Rock Senior Member Super Geek

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Investment value????? That had nothing to do with the OP. How is it out there in left field?


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My local jeweler once told me that my SAN III W/7750 was a nice watch but he said the bracelet was garbage. He kinda offended me because I think it has a nice hefty bracelet on it. So a few days ago I drove by his store and he was OUT OF BUSINESS! Maybe he should keep his comments to himself from now on.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Councilman Rock Investment value????? That had nothing to do with the OP. How is it out there in left field? Not sure how to take your comment,but if your referring to selling Invicta's at a profit.the easist one,s to sell were the ocean Ghost when you could pick them up at shop for $79.99,I sold 5 of them for $225.00 a piece.Three pro divers for $125.00. that I paid $69.00 for a piece, One Excursion for $400.00, that I paid $250.00 for and one SAN III sold for $450.00 and I paid $250.00 for that one. But you will never get that kind of money here or on ebay.you have to sell them in person.Thats why you will never see me list a watch here for sale,I'd be crazy to. Make that 11 sold, I forgot one SAN III 7750 for $1200.00 I broke even on that one desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #52 Yesterday, 06:01 PM mrspa Senior Member Super Geek

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Yup, My watchmakers (3) are grabbing my wrist every time the see me. They were hesitant at first but Invicta made believers of them. bluewail2 View Public Profile Send a private message to bluewail2 Find all posts by bluewail2 Add bluewail2 to Your Contacts #54 Yesterday, 07:37 PM CIGARRED Senior Member Super Geek

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Sorry guys, I think jewelers are into selling watches rather than resizing. I don't put much stock in what they say because I believe they have an axe to grind, it's called selling their stock. I think most brick and motar stores size watches as accomadation or to grab a few extra bucks but they rather sell you one. I have San 3 an of course it has frictions I never spread them out to keep them tight. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? CIGARRED View Public Profile Send a private message to CIGARRED Find all posts by CIGARRED Add CIGARRED to Your Contacts #55 Yesterday, 08:04 PM Bezor Senior Member Senior Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by CIGARRED Sorry guys, I think jewelers are into selling watches rather than resizing. I don't put much stock in what they say because I believe they have an axe to grind, it's called selling their stock. I think most brick and motar stores size watches as accomadation or to grab a few extra bucks but they rather sell you one. Exactly. Others have said that there are differences in Invictas, as well all should know a 7750 is the top o'the heap. I'd hope the jewler has nice things to say about it. A jewler wants to cultivate clients, not give them the "truth." The truth hurts and most people don't take kindly to it. And as well, as others have said, buy what you like! If that's a $75.00 Invicta that rocks you, who is to tell you otherwise! You might choose to collect based on movements, or you might choose to collect on brand name, you might choose to collect styles of watches (eg. divers, pilot,


etc.), point is Invicta has you covered at nearly all price points at or below that magical (seemingly) price of $1K or less. Me? In case you care, was burned early by two Invictas. Thank god I didn't get into the more expensive Invictas before I learned my lesson. I also know that there are thousands upon thousands of happy Invicta customers and who's to rain on your parade? Not me, that's for sure. Bezor View Public Profile Send a private message to Bezor Find all posts by Bezor Add Bezor to Your Contacts #56 Yesterday, 08:04 PM

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I agree. Good to hear. bwag829 View Public Profile Send a private message to bwag829 Find all posts by bwag829 Add bwag829 to Your Contacts #57 Yesterday, 08:31 PM MamboKing Senior Member Super Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc Frankly, that watchmaker's statement about friction pins being replaced with screws makes me wonder about the watchmaker. Many very expensive, high quality watches use friction pins. I have had more screws loosen and lost than I have had friction pins fall out. Give me friction pins any day! I agree with you completely on this. MamboKing View Public Profile Send a private message to MamboKing Find all posts by MamboKing Add MamboKing to Your Contacts #58 Yesterday, 08:41 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted by Bezor Exactly. Others have said that there are differences in Invictas, as well all should know a 7750 is the top o'the heap. I'd hope the jewler has nice things to say about it. A jewler wants to cultivate clients, not give them the "truth." The truth hurts and most people don't take kindly to it. And as well, as others have said, buy what you like! If that's a $75.00 Invicta that rocks you, who is to tell you otherwise! You might choose to collect based on movements, or you might choose to collect on brand name, you might choose to collect styles of watches (eg. divers, pilot, etc.), point is Invicta has you covered at nearly all price points at or below that magical (seemingly) price of $1K or less.


Me? In case you care, was burned early by two Invictas. Thank god I didn't get into the more expensive Invictas before I learned my lesson. I also know that there are thousands upon thousands of happy Invicta customers and who's to rain on your parade? Not me, that's for sure. The truth hurts and most people don't take kindly to it ____________________________________________ You might get patronized in life,I dont,I can assure you of that! As far as Cigarred goes ,he needs to re read my post slowly so he can get on the same page with the rest of us and stop adding event's that never took place. desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #59 Yesterday, 08:52 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted by MamboKing I agree with you completely on this. Renato uses screws,Deep Blue uses screws,Swiss Legend uses Screw's, Do you think the watch maker might just think like Daniel .Stan and Lior? So really what is it that puzzle's a few of you about a watch maker who favors screws on a large bracelet with a big 50 mm watch weighing almost a lb. desert rex View Public Profile


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Many watchmakers in high end stores are salesmen, too. You wouldn't befriend any potential customer by telling him the watch he is wearing is lousy. My highend dealer has always been complementary of the Invicta's I wear. Yet, when I look around his store, I know there is absolute no comparison between my Invicta and most of his watches. He encourages me to look but never pressures me to buy, since he knows am happy with my Invictas and he knows that I can't afford his watches. Still, because he is so friendly and accepting of me and my Invictas, I will frequent his store to chat with him about my watches and look at his, without fear of sales pressure or feeling guilt. Because of the relationship that he has developed with me, there is no doubt that, if money, some day, comes my way, I will be back to buy. BTW, my dealer is very successful. Think about it. Who buys these ridiculously expensive watches? First of all, people with money. Secondly, people who have an appreciation of watches, that seldom comes from buying the most expensive watch, first. It comes from having owned and appreciated lower or mid range watches first. Once you have the money, you need to get educated about watches to the point that you know your money is getting you something more special than the watches you already own. When you are ready to buy, you are more likely going to do this business with someone who you trust, particularly someone who has patiently taught you about quality watches. Your thinking goes like this: if this dealer is there for you with your Invictas that he doesn't sell you, he certainly will be there for the Rolex, Hublot, or Patek Philip, he does sell you. BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #61


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Nice story Jeff. I remember a few years back I had on my 3824 LE Diamond Diver while at my local high end jeweler and the watchmaker actually asked me to take it off so he could "take a look at it." He promptly pulled out a loupe and got to studying it and he commented to me on its large size (lol, it's 43 mm, wait until he sees the 50 mm SAN III someday), its diamond hour markers and smoothly winding SW200. Good stuff! morrison2951 View Public Profile Send a private message to morrison2951 Find all posts by morrison2951 Add morrison2951 to Your Contacts #62 Today, 07:55 AM wrist art Senior Member Senior Geek

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I have my watches sized at a high end jewelers,and they are always impressed with my Invictas. It is nice to know that some of these guys are not turned off by a "tv watch". As far as screws over friction pins,I disagree. I have never lost a friction pin,but I have lost far to many screws. wrist art View Public Profile Send a private message to wrist art Find all posts by wrist art Add wrist art to Your Contacts #63 Today, 08:15 AM


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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc Many watchmakers in high end stores are salesmen, too. You wouldn't befriend any potential customer by telling him the watch he is wearing is lousy. My highend dealer has always been complementary of the Invicta's I wear. Yet, when I look around his store, I know there is absolute no comparison between my Invicta and most of his watches. He encourages me to look but never pressures me to buy, since he knows am happy with my Invictas and he knows that I can't afford his watches. Still, because he is so friendly and accepting of me and my Invictas, I will frequent his store to chat with him about my watches and look at his, without fear of sales pressure or feeling guilt. Because of the relationship that he has developed with me, there is no doubt that, if money, some day, comes my way, I will be back to buy. BTW, my dealer is very successful. Think about it. Who buys these ridiculously expensive watches? First of all, people with money. Secondly, people who have an appreciation of watches, that seldom comes from buying the most expensive watch, first. It comes from having owned and appreciated lower or mid range watches first. Once you have the money, you need to get educated about watches to the point that you know your money is getting you something more special than the watches you already own. When you are ready to buy, you are more likely going to do this business with someone who you trust, particularly someone who has patiently taught you about quality watches. Your thinking goes like this: if this dealer is there for you with your Invictas that he doesn't sell you, he certainly will be there for the Rolex, Hublot, or Patek Philip, he does sell you. Doc I appreciate your thoughts,I felt it was time that I posted a real life story concerning Invicta or any shop brand since I neglected to the past four times I had a similar event with a watch maker.I suppose I could have posted the story of the time I saw a jeweler snicker a little when he glanced over at my wrist while I was wearing my Excursion.Or I could have mentioned the time when I was Oris shopping at an AD,how the two salesman never spoke of it but could not take their eyes off of my T Rex Diver ,and how the mgr came quickly over to stand over the two when I removed my watch and placed it on the counter in order to try on the small seconds,but I didn't,I simply told the story at hand,nothing more nothing less. questioning a watch makers credentials because he favors screws over friction pins is reaching.I would not be where I am today in life if I did not possess the ability to make a quick and accurate assessment of my


surroundings.Posting a positive Invicta story might bother some,to those I say wait just a little bit ,in no time another new member here will be posting yet another negative Invicta tale to feed the fire.For me I'll always tell it like it is with no spin,because that is how I live my life. desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #64 Today, 08:26 AM BabyDoc Senior Member Super Geek

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I am not questioning your watch maker's credentials because he favors screws over friction pins. That's his opinion and that's fine. I am just questioning his judgement in telling you your Invicta lacks quality only in the sense that it is missing those bracelet screws, and that you need to upgrade the watch with bracelet screws. I have seen lousy watches with screws, and great watches with pins and visa versa. Whether it has screws or pins doesn't alone define quality. That's all. BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #65 Today, 10:16 AM Taxg8r00 Senior Member Senior Geek

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I find it quite amusing that some jewelers/watchmakers make fun of or downgrade Invicta. They


really must be morons. Why would you ever insult a customer of potential customer. Even if they want to sell you something they sell, how does insulting you, the customer, help for a sale or future sale of their product. I have Invictas, Tags, Rolexes and other nice watches. My jeweler who is also a client of mine has had nothing but nice things to say about the couple Invictas I have brought to him for sizing. The two I brought to him I paid between 75 and 100 for. He told me he thought they were 200 to 300 watches. Nothing more nothing less. He sells Rolexes, Panerias, Omegas, and Patek preowned. If you go to a jeweler who insults you or your watch. Tell them you will take your business elsewhere and you will be sure to tell everyone you know that they insulted you. Maybe that will get them to think about their business marketing skills. Heck, even my six year old knows if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Also, I do not understand why a watchmaker would say that Invictas are crap or whatever. For the money they can be a good deal. I agree the MSRPs are off-base, but most Invictas are a couple hundred bucks at most. I know there are models with 7750s and other more expensive movements, but when you compare them to the prices of similar watches with those movements they are still cheaper. I kind of think of Invictas like a Hyundai Genesis, while it is not an Sclass Mercedes or a BMW 7 series, heck it is almost half the price and is very nice car and has comparable features. Is it going to worth as much down the road, no, but it does not make it pretty nice car. Taxg8r00 View Public Profile Send a private message to Taxg8r00 Send email to Taxg8r00 Find all posts by Taxg8r00 Add Taxg8r00 to Your Contacts #66 Today, 10:39 AM mbgalg Senior Member Senior Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by desert rex Not sure how to take your comment,but if your referring to selling Invicta's at a profit.the


easist one,s to sell were the ocean Ghost when you could pick them up at shop for $79.99,I sold 5 of them for $225.00 a piece.Three pro divers for $125.00. that I paid $69.00 for a piece, One Excursion for $400.00, that I paid $250.00 for and one SAN III sold for $450.00 and I paid $250.00 for that one. But you will never get that kind of money here or on ebay.you have to sell them in person.Thats why you will never see me list a watch here for sale,I'd be crazy to. Make that 11 sold, I forgot one SAN III 7750 for $1200.00 I broke even on that one you're either a tremendous salesman or your clients have no running water, electricity, internet and television. mbgalg View Public Profile Send a private message to mbgalg Find all posts by mbgalg Add mbgalg to Your Contacts #67 Today, 10:45 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc Many watchmakers in high end stores are salesmen, too. You wouldn't befriend any potential customer by telling him the watch he is wearing is lousy. My highend dealer has always been complementary of the Invicta's I wear. Yet, when I look around his store, I know there is absolute no comparison between my Invicta and most of his watches. He encourages me to look but never pressures me to buy, since he knows am happy with my Invictas and he knows that I can't afford his watches. Still, because he is so friendly and accepting of me and my Invictas, I will frequent his store to chat with him about my watches and look at his, without fear of sales pressure or feeling guilt. Because of the relationship that he has developed with me, there is no doubt that, if money, some day, comes my way, I will be back to buy.


BTW, my dealer is very successful. Think about it. Who buys these ridiculously expensive watches? First of all, people with money. Secondly, people who have an appreciation of watches, that seldom comes from buying the most expensive watch, first. It comes from having owned and appreciated lower or mid range watches first. Once you have the money, you need to get educated about watches to the point that you know your money is getting you something more special than the watches you already own. When you are ready to buy, you are more likely going to do this business with someone who you trust, particularly someone who has patiently taught you about quality watches. Your thinking goes like this: if this dealer is there for you with your Invictas that he doesn't sell you, he certainly will be there for the Rolex, Hublot, or Patek Philip, he does sell you. BINGO! I couldn't have said it better myself. FYI I've been in the jewelery business 15yrs and specializing in Swiss watches the last 8 Russell3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Russell3 Find all posts by Russell3 Add Russell3 to Your Contacts #68 Today, 10:51 AM CIGARRED Senior Member Super Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc I am not questioning your watch maker's credentials because he favors screws over friction pins. That's his opinion and that's fine. I am just questioning his judgement in telling you your Invicta lacks quality only in the sense that it is missing those bracelet screws, and that you need to upgrade the watch with bracelet screws. I have seen lousy watches with screws, and great watches with pins and visa versa. Whether it has screws or pins doesn't alone define quality. That's all. I agree frankly I have never heard of anyone suggesting that type of upgrade it sound absurd to me. Imagine spending alot of money to get what? I think what's most important is what you think of the watch! I sooner ask one of my fellow watch geeks opinion about the quality of a watch than any salesman. Some of my fellow geeks really no their **** and really respect their opinions


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Quote: Originally Posted by mbgalg you're either a tremendous salesman or your clients have no running water, electricity, internet and television. That would be that of a tremendous salesman.First rule of business,buy low,sell high,second rule if your current market wont pay,change your market.Only a watch geek would check out any of the DOD sites,e bay,or craigs list for a watch.The average guy will only go to a jeweler or to a department store for a watch .These are the ones you need to focus on.Now your plan to make all of this happen is to be known as the guy who knows a watch broker and can supply a wholesale price.Now you only have to show a suggested MSRP compared to your discounted price.I have been doing this off and on just for kicks really.Its just a matter of changing the playing field to your satisfaction. desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #70 Today, 10:58 AM


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Quote: Originally Posted by CIGARRED I agree frankly I have never heard of anyone suggesting that type of upgrade it sound absurd to me. Imagine spending alot of money to get what? I think what's most important is what you think of the watch! I sooner ask one of my fellow watch geeks opinion about the quality of a watch than any salesman. Some of my fellow geeks really no their **** and really respect their opinions First off lets clear up a couple of points.#1 I did not go there to have a watch sized,if you recall in my post I was wearing the watch #2 I did not ask to have my watch evaluated or appraised by any staff present. #3 the resident watch maker approached me as to my time piece,in which I gladly removed in order for him to examine. #4 I did not ask him for his professional opinion, he


offered it. #5 His statement about the quality led to the topic in which he would have liked to have seen screw's opposed to friction pin's.his comment of suggesting switching over to screws was more of a candid one at that. #6 I didn't feel it at all necessary to retrieve a full deposition from him regarding our brief chat,in order to post it here for the few who truly don't understand it and seem to be genuinely confused of a simple series of event ,that took place with out any hidden agenda's or motives. There are plenty of negative Invicta threads here if that is what you are seeking. desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #72 Today, 11:30 AM CIGARRED Senior Member Super Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by desert rex First off lets clear up a couple of points.#1 I did not go there to have a watch sized,if you recall in my post I was wearing the watch #2 I did not ask to have my watch evaluated or appraised by any staff present. #3 the resident watch maker approached me as to my time piece,in which I gladly removed in order for him to examine. #4 I did not ask him for his professional opinion, he offered it. #5 His statement about the quality led to the topic in which he would have liked to have seen screw's opposed to friction pin's.his comment of suggesting switching over to screws was more of a candid one at that. #6 I didn't feel it at all necessary to retrieve a full deposition from him regarding our brief chat,in order to post it here for the few who truly don't understand it and seem to be genuinely confused of a simple series of event ,that took place with out any hidden agenda's or motives. There are plenty of negative Invicta threads here if that is what you are seeking. I don't recall writing any thing negative about Invicta. His candid opinion regarding swapping srews for friction pins is still an absurd one! Did you go into the store to show off your watch? CIGARRED View Public Profile


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Quote: Originally Posted by CIGARRED I don't recall writing any thing negative about Invicta. His candid opinion regarding swapping srews for friction pins is still an absurd one! Of course it is,Why he is just a Silly Silly man! desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #74 Today, 11:41 AM CIGARRED Senior Member Super Geek

Quote: Originally Posted by desert rex Of course it is,Why he is just a Silly Silly man!

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You were wearing an expensive looking watch. He might of saw you as potenial watch customer. All I'm saying is their are better places to get opinions on watches. As they say in Accounting, this is not exactly an independent source CIGARRED View Public Profile Send a private message to CIGARRED Find all posts by CIGARRED Add CIGARRED to Your Contacts #75 Today, 11:46 AM

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Great story! I always get comments on my watches, regardless of make, because I buy watches that are just a little different from the norm. In the end, I really don't care what anyone things. if I like that's what matters. As far as most people are concerned I could be wearing a $85K Zenith Tourbillion and no one would now but me! __________________ "Steal a man's watch and you steal his soul!"

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Quote: Originally Posted by desert rex First off lets clear up a couple of points.#1 I did not go there to have a watch sized,if you recall in my post I was wearing the watch #2 I did not ask to have my watch evaluated or appraised by any staff present. #3 the resident watch maker approached me as to my time


piece,in which I gladly removed in order for him to examine. #4 I did not ask him for his professional opinion, he offered it. #5 His statement about the quality led to the topic in which he would have liked to have seen screw's opposed to friction pin's.his comment of suggesting switching over to screws was more of a candid one at that. #6 I didn't feel it at all necessary to retrieve a full deposition from him regarding our brief chat,in order to post it here for the few who truly don't understand it and seem to be genuinely confused of a simple series of event ,that took place with out any hidden agenda's or motives. There are plenty of negative Invicta threads here if that is what you are seeking. Look, this, in general, IS a positve thread about Invicta. We are defending the quality of Invicta. Many of us don't agree with your watchmaker who thinks the friction pins downgrade Invicta quality. That's negative. While you are defending the watchmaker's right to his opinion, and that's OK, it's not OK to get upset with us if we happen to think Invicta is better than your watchmaker. Who is being negative here in this thread? I won't point a finger, but do a bit of soul searching. BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #77 Today, 01:04 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted by desert rex This morning I had some time to kill in between appointments, so I checked out a couple of Jewelry stores to see what was out there. The resident watchmaker at one of the establishments inquired about my time piece, it was the Invicta SAN III 7750 with the white perforated dial. He seemed very surprised by it as soon as I handed it over to him, when I asked him what was wrong he said that he was taken back a little by the watch. He said he had never given Invicta any consideration since they were mainly an infomercial brand. After examining it further with his loop, he said it was surprisingly of high quality and well made. He also said the only corners that were cut as far as he could tell was the use of friction pins


on the bracelet and suggested I have it converted to a screw system. This is now the fifth conversation like this I have had with Jewelers or watchmakers in the last year or so. Other models spoken well of were my invicta Sea Rover (stainless with black dial) and Ocean Reef (two tone stainless and black with blue dial) and lastly my Renato T REX Diver (black/orange) with Ronda 5040f busy dial, and the 7750 version (black/orange). It's always nice to hear from those in the profession of selling and repairing watches and their honest opinion of the watches that I've bought from the shop. I am very glad that you posted this because I was wondering how well Invicta was made also. I just knew I loved them so I bought them just by the way they looked. Now I know I will be getting a nice looking watch but at the same time it is well made. Thanks for this story. I have bought a lot of Invictas for my Dad and was wondering how well they were made but as I said I bought them because he liked them. Thanks agian it makes me happy to know I also gave him a watch of quality...Great story. __________________ -Frank

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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc Look, this, in general, IS a positve thread about Invicta. We are defending the quality of Invicta. Many of us don't agree with your watchmaker who thinks the friction pins downgrade Invicta quality. That's negative. While you are defending the watchmaker's right to his opinion, and that's OK, it's not OK to get upset with us if we happen to think Invicta is better than your watchmaker. Who is being negative here in this thread? I won't point a finger, but do a bit of soul searching. Maybe I did take your comments wrongly,that's possible.I felt as though your reference to that particular watch maker regarding the use of screw's over pins,was your way of dismissing him as an adequate evaluator of watches.If this in fact not your intent,then I miss judged your comment and owe you an apology. desert rex View Public Profile Send a private message to desert rex Find all posts by desert rex Add desert rex to Your Contacts #79 Today, 02:42 PM BabyDoc Senior Member Super Geek

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Jeff, no need for an apology, but thank you. I am sorry if there was some misunderstanding. I am glad that your watchmaker likes your Invictas. We just happen to like them even more, with or without screws.


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i just took my new leviathan in for sizing as i couldnt get the pin out and he tried to sell me a silver chain to hang it around my neck and said if you come in here with a bigger watch than this i am going to start calling you FLAVOR-FLAVE. Then we both laughed and i told him to get ready because the ARSENAL is coming. LOL __________________

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What about the $500 every 5 years for a service? Sure, you might get your money back for the purchase price of a high end piece but by the time you've had it serviced a couple times and paid for a repair or 2 you're also getting pennies on the dollar. If my Invicta stops working in 5 years I'll just say "damn" and buy a brand new one. Besides a few super premium watches (which most people can't afford), most watches are not really a great long term investment.

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Originally Posted by numiswatchrocker my watchmaker,ex rolex and omega factory. Has seen my invictas and renato,and looked at them with a chuckle! His main contention was from a investment point. In most cases all shop brands(invicta,renato etc are fine, but down the road when you try to sell them (used ) you get pennies on the dollar. All the big names hold thier value and sometimes even increase in value. That said enjoy whatever watch you desire!! You have one life to live,and watches are part of your life!! So what if you don't get your investment back.the enjoyment you recieved from the watches far surpasses money spent!! Wear and enjoy your watches!! Life is too short to wait for a return on them!!!!

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Thanks for the info Jeff have a day ! spunky798 View Public Profile Send a private message to spunky798 Find all posts by spunky798 Add spunky798 to Your Contacts #85 Today, 05:21 PM

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That's what it's suppose to be all about!!! __________________ MAY THE LUME BE WITH YOU! Another Day! .. Another Watch!

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camarillo3561 Senior Member Senior Geek

Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Morgan Hill, CA Posts: 205 Real Name: Christian

Thats good to hear! Nice to get a "real professional" opinion like that. __________________


Christian C.

A Watchmaker gave me his opinion of Invicta today  

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