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as to what happened,” says Louis. Regardless, they remain friends. Fast forward to 2015, and Louis meets Anthony. They move in together after two months, get a dog a month later, and break up in August 2018. “I moved out in September,” says Anthony. “We started talking about the podcast in October and started recording it December. It was still very fresh with the breakup and we were going through a lot emotionally. Then we had a conversation and said, ‘Let's just do it,’ and the next day, started recording.” The starting point was a mutual love of The Real Housewives. They figured it would be fun to recap old seasons, talk about new seasons … “We could make connections like, ‘Oh, they're going to get a divorce! Look at all the rockiness in their relationship!” says Louis. Anyone spotting any parallels yet?

“The fact is the three of us have a really strong bond,” says Antonio, “and our interests are so similar. Anthony and Louis didn't want to not be in each other's lives, so it just kind of formed naturally. We were like, ‘Let's work through this.’” Antonio is the driver of the trio; the more mouthy one. If he was a Spice Girl, I suggest, he’d be Scary. But if they were Housewives? “I’m Bethenny,” says Louis, “I'M Bethenny,” says Antonio. I guess everyone wants to be Bethenny. “Yeah, we all want to be Bethenny,” laughs Antonio. “That's the premise.” For those who don’t know, Bethenny Frankel is a "strong business woman who says whatever she wants,” says Antonio. “Kind of emotionally distant …” adds Louis. “Maybe that IS you!” says Antonio. “I think Antonio’s Ramona, actually,” suggests Anthony. “Oh my God! That's fucked up!” says Louis. “Ramona has absolutely no selfawareness," says Antonio. "That's my only thing with her. She says whatever's on her mind. She's just bossy and completely politically incorrect.” So, fine. Louis is Bethenny and Antonio’s Ramona. Who’s Anthony? “I feel like … maybe Carole? She's down to earth and just kind of normal.” Bethenny and Carole also had a big falling out, so … Along with the occasional underlying tension and bickering, there’s also a deep, genuine affection for each other. “You know what's funny?” says Antonio. “Two episodes ago, we were reading Chelsea Handler's new book and she talks

“It would have been very easy for us to not talk to each other, to not hang out, to not work through some of these hard conversations … but the message was: do it for the pod."

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about the three centers of intelligence and how everyone copes in the world by operating from one of these three centers. It's either from your gut, from your heart, or from your brain. And we all felt we were each one. So Louis very much operates from his gut, almost from a place of anger when he's feeling distress, as a way of coping in the world.” “I'm brain – I go to a place of intellectually analyzing everything. And Anthony's more heart – he gets very much into his own feelings about it. So, somehow, we're the trifecta.” They’ve all moved on in their relationship status. Antonio and Anthony are "single and sleeping around." Louis is seeing someone. And some subjects still stay on the cutting room floor. Sometimes they get into a fight. Sometimes it gets dirty. Sometimes it's just plain awkward. “A lot of the topics we don't talk about or we've just recently started talking about, even personally, are about relationship status – who we're seeing, if we're dating, things which in the past have been off the table,” says Antonio. “I think we've gotten to this point in our friendship because of the podcast,” says Anthony. “It would have been very easy for us to not talk to each other, to not hang out, to not work through some of these hard conversations, if we weren't recording the podcast, but it became such a passion project for us. The message was: do it for the pod. "It sounds silly, but it really became like a therapy session because it forced us to go though it …" “Acknowledge what's awkward,” says Louis. And as the podcast has evolved to include other subjects – personal experiences, headlines in the news, interviews – they always come back to the Housewives. “We love them,” says Antonio. “I don't know why, but I feel like gay men in general are attracted to strong women. It's like we've always felt marginalized growing up, or we've looked to them as heroes, so it's always appealing to watch women who don't take any bullshit, and just give it back.” babbleoftheexes.com

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