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1. Editorial


2. UNSW Law Society NAIDOC Celebrations


3. Reflecting on another successful First Peoples Moot


4. NAIDOC at Taronga Zoo


5. Pursuing opportunities to succeed


6. Revitalising Reconnecting, Rebuilding


7. Introducing Liam Ridgeway


8. National Book Week


9. Diabetes Community Forum


10. UNSW Indigenous Admissions Scheme

24 & 25

11. UNSW Indigenous Pre Programs in Business, Education, Law, Medicine, Social Work 24 & 25 12. PRME Public Seminar- Indigenous Business


About Us  About UNSW  About Nura Gili  About Balnaves Place –Home of Nura Gili



Recently Nura Gili held Year 12 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Day where it was tremendous to see 57 students and nearly 20 parents / teachers/ youth workers join us. The energy and the enthusiasm of all those who came, the great leadership of Leearna Williams and our Nura Gili Ambassadors and students who helped out on the day alongside all the Nura Gili, faculty and other UNSW staff ensured many of the students’ questions were answered and we hope to see many of you again in the near future. TH

If you would like to experience what Nura Gili and UNSW offers this Saturday 5 September brings another great opportunity with UNSW Open day If you’re local and/ or further afield and interested in coming to study with us do also check out our great UNSW Indigenous Admissions Scheme and UNSW Indigenous Pre Programs in Business, Education, Law, Medicine and Social Work. More details on pages 24 and 25 and don’t hesitate to get in touch with our great Nura Gili team who will be happy to answer any of your questions. Recently our Director Professor Martin Nakata B.Ed Hons PhD shared how AJIE articles going back to the 1970s can now be accessed digitally: the Australian Journal of Indigenous Education is an internationally refereed journal which publishes papers and reports on the theory, method, and practice of Indigenous education;. I encourage you all to check out via this link UNSW School of Art and Design next exhibition opening tomorrow includes Streets of Papunya, celebrating and exploring the renaissance of painting in Central Australia, all welcome. And for those of you interested in the law this recent article may well peak your interest and keenly the great tenacity of our UNSW Indigenous Law students and alumni as can be seen in our leading two articles in our edition here about the tremendous thought provoking NAIDOC Celebrations and second First Nations Moot! It is a joy to share the abundance of talent connected with Nura Gili and I trust this issue which tracks in abundance how young and old are drawing on their interests, talents and hard work together to help shape positive change for many. As Dean Kelly shared with us during his Welcome and Smoking Ceremony at UNSW Law Society Celebrations there is no such thing as a bad day or a good day, there are only rainy days, sunny days, dry days and/ the same goes for nights! It’s up to us how we feel in each day, in each moment and it’s important we all take time to reconnect with ourselves, our surroundings and to take care of ourselves and each other as we face the many challenges and joys life brings. Rebecca Harcourt Editor Connect with Nura Gili



In celebration of NAIDOC and Indigenous excellence, the UNSW Law Society hosted a Q&A event featuring Terri Janke & Nathan Boyle. Terri Janke is a Wutathi/Meriam Mir woman from Cairns. She is a pioneer in Indigenous Intellectual Property Law, an author, a mother and UNSW alumnus. Nathan Boyle is a Wiradjuri man from Trangie, NSW. He is a Policy Analyst for the ASIC Indigenous Outreach Program, a member of the Indigenous Advisory Group for the Indigenous Financial Services Network, and the policy working group for the National Indigenous Consumer Strategy. This was UNSW Law Society first NAIDOC Celebration to celebrate Indigenous excellence and this year's NAIDOC theme of "We All Stand On Sacred Ground". The celebration was opened with a smoking ceremony outside the Law Building, and a Welcome to Country, both performed by Dean Kelly of Warada Kinship. The event was a very intimate and powerful celebration, including drinks and catering from the Aboriginal business, Goanna Hut. Holding a smoking ceremony on campus was particularly powerful, especially with Professor David Dixon, Dean of UNSW Law and a number of international academics being in attendance. It set the tone for a very well-grounded and intimate discussion. Nathan Boyle and Terri Janke both gave excellent speeches detailing some of their experiences as Indigenous People, their interactions with the legal system, struggles they have faced, and advice for current legal students. An open-floor discussion and Q&A then followed both speeches, which encouraged a frank and open discussion of Indigenous legal issues, and ways forward for Indigenous Peoples and the contributions that can be made by Indigenous law students. I felt like the NAIDOC Event was a beautiful celebration that sparked a lot of in-depth and intimate discussion on important Indigenous issues. It was great to get everyone together to talk about these issues, and particularly to expose Professor David Dixon and others to such an open discussion. I think everyone that came along really had a great time and got something of value out of the night. This year we've commemorated both National Reconciliation Week and NAIDOC Week like never before within the UNSW Law Society and UNSW Law. I'm looking forward to NAIDOC Celebrations becoming a regular and more prominent marker on the Law School's calendar to increase awareness and engagement with Indigenous legal issues. Jason O’Neil Jason is in his third year studying Art/Law majoring in Indigenous Studies. Jason emceed this invigorating NAIDOC Celebration on Thursday, 13 August opening in Wiradjuri and then translating his remarks into English. He spoke eloquently about the importance and richness of language and how much culture, lore, being and understanding is embedded and transmitted through language. He crystallised the value and importance of continual resurgence with language and how much is lost when denied and/or lost. Jason himself has embraced reconnecting with his Culture through learning his own Wiradjuri language and has a Graduate Certificate in Wiradjuri Language, Culture and Heritage from CSU. Rebecca Harcourt


“Another thing I'd like you all to think about in your careers is the reality that is the Indigenous legal system, and universally enshrined right of Indigenous people to self-determination. I've recently been involved in a Federal Court matter on behalf of ASIC where the misconduct affected a remote, traditional language speaking Aboriginal community in the Central Desert. It was a huge battle to change the course of the investigation to make sure it was done in a culturally appropriate way. To its great credit, the organisation was receptive. But if they had not been, there would have been no case. It's so important to speak to Aboriginal people – not just self-elected Indigenous representatives, but the community you are working in itself. Aboriginal people are not dumb, and they have a right to decide how things are done in their communities. Just because you think you're doing the right thing, even by instituting proceedings, does not necessarily mean the community will see it that way. Indigenous people have been subjected to the will of outsiders for too long. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples of Australia are the custodians of the oldest continuous cultures on earth. Our People have been through so much upheaval since the arrival of the first Europeans. From the massive loss of life caused by foreign diseases that entered the country with the first fleet, to the frontier wars which saw massacres inflicted upon untold numbers of Aboriginal people –justified by classifying the land as 'Terra Nullius'. We've seen abhorrent policies where countless Aboriginal people were removed from their country and placed in state run missions to have every aspect of their lives controlled; Aboriginal people's wages have been sent directly to government trust accounts to be rationed out by 'chief protectors' – much of that money having never been returned to those who rightly earned it. Policies of forced removal of Aboriginal children saw many children torn screaming from their mothers caring arms to be sent to boarding houses – many of which, like Kinchella Boys Home in NSW, were run like prisons, brutally dehumanising their occupants in an attempt to force them to forget their culture. Given the horrors of the past, it’s a real shame that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People have to continue to fight to maintain connection to culture, family and country even today. But thankfully, with people like you in this room about to assume positions of influence - it feels to me, that despite of (or perhaps in spite of) the rhetoric and lack of inspiration being shown by current governments around the country, and the huge amount of work left to be done that there is still hope that our nation will truly recognise the importance of our First People's cultures to our national identity. Wouldn't it be great if our politicians, in consultation with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities, began implementing policies and legislation that aimed to strengthen the practice and understanding of Australia's Indigenous cultures, rather than continuing to come up with policies that contribute to bringing about their gradual destruction?” Nathan Boyle Excerpt from Nathan Boyle’s speech at the UNSW Law Society NAIDOC Celebrations published here with his permission.


Two weeks ago, four Indigenous students from UNSW Law contested a divisive trial moot on points of criminal and administrative law. Appearing before Justice Dina Yehia, tensions ran high at the grand final of the UNSW Mooting Competition of Australia’s First peoples; however, even in the face of some difficult questions from the bench, the finalists kept their cool and the learned counsel for the defendants narrowly won the day. So ended a successful first anniversary of the competition*, demonstrating yet another sign of a burgeoning Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander presence in legal advocacy. The competition began on a sunny Sunday morning, when a group of students gathered at a workshop on the fundamentals of legal advocacy. We formed partnerships of varying experience, with participants ranging from first-year students to seasoned fourth year ‘semi-pros’. The problem question was then distributed, whereupon we participants familiarised ourselves with the interpretations of Lord Lane CJ’s speech in Attorney-General’s Reference No 6 of 1980, the subtle dicta of Mahoney JA in Maniam (No.1) and the infamously gruesome facts of R v Brown. Blossoming partnerships bore innovative and original written submissions, and many participants were lucky enough to benefit from the mentorship of barristers and other legal practitioners who had volunteered their help.

Right - Winner

Ganur Maynard


Left: Judge Dina Yehia with Jonathan Captain Webb

It wasn’t long before the preliminary rounds of the oral submissions began, where we aspiring orators could truly test our rhetoric. For many, the prelims were a first try at Mooting. Unfazed, intrepid debutants threw down the gauntlet to the students returning from the 2014 competition, with many newbies progressing to the knock-out semi-finals stage upon sophisticated factual arguments and careful attention to court formality, such as “If it may please your Honour so... The exceptionally high standard of the competition ensured that the grand final would be a hotly contested affair. On reflection, the competition provided me not only with great experience but also with great hope. We did not take the opportunity to further our education for granted. On the contrary, we seized upon it and pushed beyond our comfort zones until we were satisfied that we had done our best. For many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander law students, practising law is the ultimate ambition. To equip ourselves with the means to make significant change in our communities is the virtue of our education, and this competition has given us the confidence to pursue that goal. We hope to follow in the footsteps of the great Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander lawyers who have come before us, but we also aspire to blaze new trails and find our place on either side of the bench in courtrooms across Australia. On the night of the grand final the Public Gallery at Corrs Chambers Westgarth was filled with esteemed guests, including Justice Lucy McCallum of the Supreme Court of New South Wales, Dean David Dixon of UNSW Law and Professor Martin Nakata, Director of Nura Gili. These guests were not disappointed by the talent on display. Following an inspiring speech from Ms Kristy Kennedy, the challenge now becomes how to build on such a successful competition. Seeing just how much the UNSW Mooting Competition of Australia’s First Peoples has grown over the course of just one year, the future bodes very well for the competition and the state of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal education and practice. On behalf of all involved with the competition, I extend a very special thank you to Jeni Engel, Director of Indigenous Legal Education, and Teela May Reid, who both worked tirelessly to ensure that the competition would be so successful and whose work has been invaluable to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students at UNSW Law. I also thank Justice Dina Yehia for judging the grand final, Lucas Lixinski and Sarah Williams for conducting the workshop, Janet Manuell, Jane Sanders and all other judges and professional mentors for their involvement with the competition. Ganur Maynard Ganur Maynard is in his third year studying Arts/Law at UNSW and Winner of 2015 UNSW Law Mooting Competition of Australia’s First Peoples

* You may also be interested to read Professor Nakata’s article from the inaugural Moot in 2014: 8

The second UNSW Law Mooting Competition of Australia’s First Peoples took place between 26 July and 7 August. With the benefit of training to help prepare oral and written submissions, provided by Dr Lucas Lixinski and A/Prof Sarah Williams respectively, fourteen Indigenous law students participated in the competition. Participants ranged from 1st year LLB and JD students to final year students; and half were ‘veterans’ of last year’s inaugural competition. The NSW Bar Association arranged for mooters to be able to consult volunteers – all practising legal professionals – once the problem was released. The mooting problem, prepared by Public Defender Janet Manuell SC, took students into unfamiliar and challenging areas of law, namely affray and contempt. After judging a semi-final and attending the final, which was adjudicated by her Honour Judge Dina Yehia of the District Court of NSW, Janet commented: “It was really interesting for me to be involved in the moot and, as always, I was so impressed by the students' ability to grasp the issues. I'm also impressed by what UNSW Law is achieving by organising and steering the students through these moots - it's a very real and lasting contribution to the development of highly capable Indigenous lawyers.” Students all performed to a high standard and agreed that while taking part in mooting is hard work, it is also a highly stimulating way to learn how to prepare and argue a case in court. It improves skills in advocacy and legal analysis; not to mention students’ confidence. Teela Reid, (3rd year JD) was instrumental in taking the competition to new heights this year. She is to be congratulated on arranging for law firm Corrs Chambers Westgarth to provide support for the competition this year, and to host the semi-finals and final. Above: Shar Smith

A new award was introduced this year: The Rising Advocate. This was voted on by participants after the rounds took place, and is to acknowledge a peer who contributed significantly to the competition not only through their skills, but especially through assisting and encouraging others. The inaugural winner was Danielle Hobday, 5th year BCrim & Crim J/LLB. Congratulations go to the competition winner Ganur Maynard (3rd year BA/LLB) runner-up Tyson Beckman (3rd year BA/LLB) and finalists Ruby LangtonBatty (1st year JD) and Kate Sinclair (2nd year BA/LLB). Jeni Engel Senior Lecturer, Director of Indigenous Legal Education, UNSW Law


The celebration of NAIDOC highlights the importance of Indigenous culture. The official NAIDOC week starts on the 5th of July and continues till 12th of July. The celebration of NAIDOC at Taronga Zoo coincides with the winter school holidays, which is a perfect time to educate lots of young children about the importance of celebrating NAIDOC. To commence the celebration a NAIDOC themed morning tea was held with traditional damper and tea served to those attending. Natasha Mooney gave an introduction about NAIDOC and why it is significant to celebrate it. During the NAIDOC celebrations, Taronga Zoo also revealed a Ghost Net Artwork: the Whale. I had been a part of this project months ago and it was great to finally see the amazing whale ghost net sculpture live; photos do not do it justice! On another note, it is a rarified and invaluable opportunity to see two very important issues to me, intersect: the recognition of Indigenous Culture and the awareness of marine issues – and how these issues impact each other. Many coastal Indigenous communities rely on marine life for significant cultural and physical needs. Ghost nets directly impact on coastal Indigenous communities as they are needlessly killing precious marine life. Raising awareness of this highly dangerous, discarded fishing equipment is paramount. Bringing the Ghost Net Whale to Taronga has been one of the many amazing projects I have been privileged to be involved with. Working at Taronga as a Cadet for the last year and half, I have been able to work with so many amazing people. One of my favourite areas is the Burbangana Program. Seeing how working with the zoo animals through animal husbandry skills affects the kids in such a positively profound way, has made me appreciate how lucky I am to get to work with animals. How the program changes the kids for the better, has been an unforgettable experience. I have also been lucky to be involved in researching marine topics at the Australian Marine Mammal Research Centre, such as Three-Dimensional Photogrammetry and Tissue Contaminants. I have learnt how to communicate this research in various different ways. Also, being able to go visit Max, the new sea lion pup during my lunch is an amazing bonus? Kataya Barrett (above) Kataya is a final year student studying Marine Science Ecology at UNSW Science


Born in Alice Springs, Northern Territory, I never imagined I would end up living and studying in the largest city in Australia. Up until the age of nine, I knew nothing more than red dirt and extreme heat waves of central Australia. In 2005 my family decided it was time to pack up our things and head southward on the Great Southern Rail to the quiet streets of Adelaide. The move was a gamble, our family hoping that in return it would open more opportunities than Alice Springs had to offer. It was here that I completed the rest of my schooling, continuing my education at numerous schools, eventually graduating from Unley High School in 2014. I first heard of UNSW Australia when I was looking at the Top University Rankings on the internet. I have always had a passion for Business, and after high school people were continuously talking about how they were going to study Commerce. I didn’t want to be a person with just an average degree; I was determined to set myself apart from the rest. My fascination with success sparked my curiosity. I found myself spending hours on the internet looking at possible options. After numerous hours of research I decided UNSW appealed the most. Their second-to-none Business reputation and invaluable student support staff was too good an opportunity to turn down. After participating in the UNSW Indigenous Pre-Programs in Business, I proved my capabilities and was offered the opportunity to study a Bachelor of Commerce at UNSW Business School. Once again, I would be packing up my belongings to move for new opportunitiesthis time to Sydney. I applied for the Maple-Brown Family Scholarship when I received my offer to study at UNSW. Prior to this, I had no idea such scholarships even existed and it really felt like a stab in the dark. Having to move from interstate meant I had very limited contacts in Sydney and many more costs associated with starting university. Leading up to the first week I was extremely concerned about how I was going to support myself throughout the year, especially because I did not have any employment lined up. Additionally, I knew that my grades would suffer as I wouldn’t be able to devote as much of my time towards university. Once I found out I had been successful in my application for the Maple-Brown Family Scholarship I was ecstatic. Within minutes of receiving the e-mail I was standing out the front of the UNSW Scholarship office with my printed and signed contract. The Maple-Brown Family Scholarship has given me a sense of pride and motivation; it showed that someone believes in me. Every time that I am frustrated or overloaded with work I just remind myself, that someone, out of the greatness of their heart, has given me this opportunity to succeed. Shaun Wright is in his first year studying a Bachelor of Commerce He is the recipient of Maple-Brown Family Charitable Foundation Scholarship for Indigenous Students. 11

“Reconnection camps provide more opportunities for young boys to interact and work with Elders and other role models to be empowered through the passing down of knowledge and skills, building generational respect and connections to Country both physically and spiritually. Impacts of higher education provided me and my family with higher quality of life but the flow on from that is a result of me being able to consolidate the issues faced by my people into programs which activate change.” Peter Cooley. CEO First Hand Solutions and UNSW Alumna

On Tuesday 25th August Peter Cooley gave a memorable exposition tracing his own personal journey, weaving through story many significant challenges and changes through the lifetime of his journey to date. He encapsulated the significance of storytelling, gatherings, being on country, observation, leadership, cultural connection through carving, fishing, yarning, knowledge bearers, place, spirit and life- long learning. Peter through his steady, friendly and relaxed tone was able to transmit the myriad of complexities and challenges many people, including himself, have faced within his community and the importance of reconnection to culture and people, providing culturally safe places for young ones to feel nurtured, to feel heard and not judged. To provide opportunities to engage and be challenged on Country away from the often debilitating throes of technology and gadgets, the often perennial abuse faced on media- social and other wise; the complexities of inter-generational trauma through the effects of dispossession and continual disruption and denigration. His reconnection Back to Bush camps provide opportunities to nurture and build resilience, harness young ones’ sense of self and community, overcome and disrupt the penetration of drug epidemics, such as ice, which are destroying so many and equally overcome the pain and destruction caused by youth suicide. Through Peter’s lecture he crystallised the significance of investing and engaging with local Elders and knowledge bearers, the significance of community reconnection through lore and how these camps and follow up, with all who participate, provide a crucial and significant game changer to the lives of young Aboriginal men and women. Listening to Peter we felt the care and impact with which he leads through honesty, humility and transparency. Rebecca Harcourt 12

The course on gendered identities encourages students to think critically about gender, gender roles and gender stereotypes in Indigenous communities. It guides them to look into the complex ways in which gender, together with race and class, operate in different societies and the different ways of knowing about gender. During the seminar exercises students examine diverse texts from newspapers to music videos and art around the themes we cover during the course, including masculinities, feminism and issues central to transgender people. During this semester we have, for example, analysed settler-colonial descriptions of Indigenous men and women and reflected on how the ideas expressed in these relate to Indigenous ideas about gender. We have also studied the case of Adam Goodes, his role in the Indigenous community and the way in which ideas about race and masculinity were circulated in the debates triggered by his treatment.

All the seminar exercises display diverse Indigenous voices and viewpoints on gender. These are further opened up by the guest lecturers, such as Peter Cooley, who told us about his personal journey growing up as an Indigenous male in La Perouse. He introduced the cultural programs that he runs with Indigenous youth and which are one example of the many ways in which Indigenous men and women apply Indigenous knowledge in response to the contemporary challenges among their communities today.

above Peter helping clap sticks on a Back to Bush Camp

The contribution of guest lecturers such as Peter is invaluable to the students in this course. It allows a deeper perspective and engagement with the topic as they learn from the guest lecturer’s personal perspective and interact with them. Dr Johanna Perheentupa Lecturer, Nura Gili Indigenous Programs Unit 13


A few months ago Liam joined Nura Gili staff on a part-time basis to support our Indigenous students studying here at UNSW. During UNSW Indigenous Winter School Liam generously gave a talk to participants who were interested in Business. Liam shared his journey spanning from his trepidation during his first days at university to his growing confidence as a graduate, to building on his success and travelling for work internationally. His talk culminated in sharing about how he transformed his career path to be co-founder and member in two businesses which innovatively draw on culture and digital entrepreneurship building on the heart, value and strengths of community building. Here Liam shares with us insights about his life and experiences where persistence, courage and drawing on your support networks can nurture a path that resonates to your values, cultures and beliefs bringing abundance for many. Can you share a little about your family and growing up? I am a proud Gumbaynggirr man from Nambucca Heads, where my Dad’s people are from. My

Mum’s people are Wakka Wakka from Cherbourg, however, I did not grow up knowing the extended family on my Mum’s side. I grew up in Sydney’s Inner West with my Mum, Dad and older brother in a family very much involved in Indigenous affairs and politics. I come from a matriarchal family where my great grandmother and Aunties were a big influence on my life and many others in my family. I met my fiancé, Dina, back in my days of University. Dina is a Wergaia women on her Mum’s side and Mungamoona (PNG) on her Father’s side. Dina is doing amazing things with her studies and career in epidemiology and we work hard to support each other through our busy lifestyles. Who were your role models growing up? My Dad was a role model growing up. He was in Federal Politics in the late ‘90’s and early 2000’s as a member of

the Australian Democrats. Through my teenage years I watched Dad go through his very busy journey in the life of a politician. For Dad, being a politician was 24/7 and he was always on the go. To be honest I am not sure how he could maintain going through those years always on the move. It would make me tired just seeing him move from one thing to the next: late nights, early mornings, functions, speeches, travelling all the time, and then he would do it all over again. Being an Indigenous politician Dad had to walk a very thin and delicate line, he was always searching for the right balance between getting the best outcomes for the Indigenous community, being able to effectively manage his political parties expectations as well as navigate his way through and around other politicians. Who inspires you now? Adam Goodes is a great role model for all Australian’s whether they are Indigenous or non-Indigenous. Through his AFL career he

has demonstrated great sportsmanship and ethics on and off the field. I admire his ability to stand up for what he believes in, stand strong and expose the negativity that surrounds AFL as a sport but also in the wider Australian community. Elon Musk is someone who inspires me from a technology stand point. Elon is a co-founder of Tesla Motor Company, a relatively new car company that was developed on the idea of environmentally friendly cars that run entirely off electric energy. Elon had many set-backs in his journey to create Tesla as a successful car company and he persevered through adversity to develop Tesla. His biggest challenges were those imposed by the big players in the American car industry who have/had a hold on this market. Elon’s success extends to his car now launched here in Australia and I am utterly delighted every time I see one drive by me. I also look forward to the day that I too can drive a Tesla. What first attracted you to study Commerce at university? Through my earlier years in high school I was unsure about going to university. When my older

brother finished high school he went on to study at university two years before me and this inspired me. Seeing my brother at university made it seem more of a reality for me and in hindsight, going to university upon completion of my HSC was one of the best decisions I ever made. 15

There were several reasons I chose to do a degree in business, all of which evenly set the foundation for my decision to pursue this area of study. Firstly, I had an interest in business studies in high school and was really curious to learn more about consumer behaviour and the way that businesses try to tap into the conscious and unconscious mind of consumers. From a more practical standpoint, I chose a degree in business because I knew that this would enable me to keep my career options open as at the time I was not sure what I wanted to do with my life after study. I also always had a desire to start my own business to create an impact in the Indigenous and wider community. I have noticed that over recent years there has been an increasing number of Indigenous Australian’s who are starting their own businesses and creating a sustainable position for themselves in the market. This is, in my view, is positive progress towards the vision of creating sustainable economies in and across Indigenous communities. The more people that start their own businesses, the more this will become a familiar and repeated pattern for generations of young Indigenous Australian’s to come. left Liam with his family (Dad Aden and fiancee

Can you share some insights from your degree and experiences as a student at university?

Being an Indigenous student at university was a real eye opener for me. I was used to spending time with my Indigenous friends during my school days so when I went to university it was a culture shock to be moving around from class to class and not know anyone, let alone being able to find any other Indigenous students to connect and collaborate with. My first semester at university was a real struggle. After completing the first semester I was contemplating leaving university because I did not feel entirely comfortable in the university environment. After much soul searching I decided to commit and continue on with university studies. This meant I had to become focused and find ways to do this. So I went on to establish study habits and patterns of behavior to help me get through my studies and keep me focused. I also forced myself to engage more with my peers to develop relationships that would make it more comfortable for me to go to class, to exchange ideas and people to study with.


You’ve lived here and overseas - can you share about your journey and motivation to go overseas and how these experiences have informed who you are now, your journey and your future aspirations?

When I finished university I still was not entirely sure of the direction I wanted to pursue. I looked at my different areas of interest and determined my next steps based on this- to pursue opportunities in the technology industry through a recruiter called ProGrad. The recruitment process required psych testing and other related activities, it was very nerve racking, but I was focused on taking full advantage of this opportunity. The way that ProGrad worked was that if/once they are satisfied you fit their criteria as a suitable candidate they let you know and set you up interviews with Information & Communication Technology (ICT) companies. I had several interviews with many companies. I remember my first interview I was an absolute shocker and messed up the interview appallingly with incoherent responses and a total lack of confidence in my demeanor. What this did was to give me a platform to work from and get better at interviewing. As a result I was able to do many more interviews and was offered roles on many occasions. However I knocked these back to find something more to my liking. With my developed success at interviews, ProGrad asked if I would consider being interviewed by Microsoft, which I immediately replied ‘yes!’. Within two hours of the interview with Microsoft I was offered a role as a Business Development Manager. Two weeks later I started at Microsoft, I knew very little about the technology space from a technical standpoint, which I was upfront about in my interview, so I was immediately nervous as I walked into the office for my first time. Luckily for me there was also another ProGrad hire that started at the same time, in the same team so this offered me some comfort knowing we could go through this journey together. The extent of my work overseas has been linked to work related trips and training that I was required to do for my job. I have been to the US on multiple occasions for the Microsoft Global Exchange (MGX). MGX is an annual event where forty thousand Microsoft employees from around the world converge on a location in America to celebrate the successes over the past twelve months, talk about the strategy for the next twelve months, but most importantly show us all the new technologies that have or are being developed by Microsoft. This was such an amazing experience being able to travel overseas and meet many people who work for Microsoft. There were also social gatherings and even private concerts from groups like Black Eyed Peas and many other household names; unforgettable experiences. I was also sent to Shanghai one year and to Tokyo the following year to do training and development courses with colleagues from Microsoft across Asia Pacific and India. This was a great experience because we were immersed in the different cultures around the APAC and India region and identify the distinct differences between how the business operated in various locations around the world. Ngakkan Nyaagu is one of your businesses founded with John Saulo- can you share about your impetus to create Ngakkan Nyaagu and yours & John’s vision for the future?

John and I set up Ngakkan Nyaagu (NGNY) in May 2014, so we have been operating for over a year now. NGNY is a digital agency which specialises in web development, app development, graphic design, printing and digital strategy. We set up NGNY to be an Indigenous owned digital business that could service both Indigenous and non-Indigenous businesses alike. As individuals John and I had developed skills and knowledge to provide the services we now offer and to me it was really a great opportunity to provide these services with our own business and particularly work closely with Indigenous businesses and organisations. 17

Right : Liam and family up in Lafu Village, New Ireland, PNG

Our vision at NGNY is to have a business that trains and employs many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and to create an Indigenous Digital Economy where Indigenous Australian’s all across the country are developing and engaged in technology to become participants and influencers of future developments in this space. What are some of the strengths of your business partnership and what are some of the challenges being entrepreneurs?

Our business partnership strengths is we have both owned businesses previously and are aware of the requirements to start up and operate a business. This means we are well prepared to manage finances, business operations and processes. Both John and I are goal oriented people and this helps drive us towards a clear purpose and clear actions. We are both blue sky thinkers but know how to convert our ideas into executable activities.

Can you share a little about your other business? John is also my brother in law, and we also have a family business in Papua New Guinea, called

Meningulai Enterprises Ltd. Meningulai is based on New Ireland, PNG and currently provides a transportation service. Meningulai will evolve to provide a diverse range of services up in the New Ireland Province and beyond. What are some of your highlights to date working at Nura Gili? UNSW Indigenous Winter School was a highlight, to see so many Indigenous students from

across the country show interest in coming to explore opportunities here. It is so great to see going to university is becoming more common amongst young Indigenous Australian’s. This year I also attended the National Indigenous Tertiary Education Student Games (NITESG) and had a great time with the UNSW team and also got to meet a lot of Indigenous participants from other universities across the country. NITESG was a great way to engage with more Nura Gili students which I found was a great way to learn more about the students, their studies and plans for the future. 18

Reflecting on your time as a student at university what are your top three tips for current and future students?

If you are having challenges in any aspect of your life and they are affecting your studies, speak up and speak early about them. People will be more than willing to offer you a helping hand, Establish study habits that are written down in a calendar and that sends you alarm reminders so that you are always aware of work that you need to be doing. Setting the habits is the hardest thing, but once you have established them then things get a lot easier Create SMART (Specific – Measurable – Achievable – Realistic – Time-bound) goals for your life. Creating goals for yourself allows you to aim for something to achieve and gives you more purpose to the activities that you do on a day to day basis. Often on graduation from university brings a whole new set of trepidation navigating career and employment options– what three tips would you give recent graduates or soon to be graduates?

Identify what industry area(s) you would like to work in and find mentors or people in those industries to talk to and learn from Practice interviewing over and over again, this will help you become more comfortable with interviewing. One thing I also find works well is when going for the interview also become the interviewer in the meeting by asking engaging questions, Be prepared to go in a direction with your career that you didn’t plan for. Whilst it is good to have career plans, it is important to learn how to adapt to the changing environment around you, to identify and pursue the wide range of opportunities presented to you, We’re living in a rapidly changing world- especially in relation to technology, future careers, the environment, resources- with many challenges and new opportunities opening up. Especially through Indigenous led businesses providing distinctive shifts to self-determine how Indigenous people can once again provide greater opportunities for your own families and communities. What do you consider are the top challenges and opportunities over the next few decades?

I think there are more opportunities for the Indigenous community to be contributors and influencers in and the challenges below are also opportunities: Maintain a balance between Indigenous culture and contemporary culture. From my view it is important that Indigenous Australian’s continue to be increasingly involved in contemporary lifestyle but most importantly still be engaged in culture and community. To me this means being able to connect to country where your people come from, to learn the stories and history of your people. Over the years I have noticed friends and family far less frequently go back to Country and engage with our Elders, Taking new knowledge and skills back to community When I was working at Microsoft it was really difficult to engage back into the community with my experience and knowledge. I had to set up my own business to become engaged with the community. I think this was due to the fact that I did become a bit disconnected with community and I kept work and community totally separate, 19

Further opportunities: Growth Growth in the number of Indigenous small business providers to address market needs in the light of the government’s target to aim for three percent of all government projects to go to Indigenous owned and operated businesses. As Indigenous business owners, if we engage in this model effectively we will all be able to supply and consume within and amongst other Indigenous businesses to create the foundations of a sustainable Indigenous economy, Environmental sustainability Environmental sustainability industry growth and the opportunity traditional knowledge offers to participate and engage in environmental sustainability best practices, Embracing technology Embracing technology and the way it can enable new methods of teaching and learning. This will give Indigenous students a variety of ways to enhance their learning experience equally it will enable increased and improved teaching experiences of Indigenous based classes and related content. How can studying and related experiences at university assist people to embrace these challenges and opportunities?

From my perspective, university helped provide me with the foundations of knowledge I needed to take into the real world. The principles in learning students develop at university provide the pillar of knowledge to shape the foundations in the decisions and actions in their future journeys. By going to university and immersing yourself in this environment, many students are stretched out of their comfort zones. Being able to operate at this level consistently helps students develop a foundation of confidence that will help them embrace the challenges and opportunities that lay ahead. Anything else you would like to share? My last thought is about the idea of being present and always living in the moment. The core of this idea is based on

not thinking about the past or the future but being in the here and now. Being present allows you to be focused, it moves your mind away from any distractions and allows you to become more efficient and effective with what you are doing. I like to try and operate in this manner as much as possible, however, I am still learning to improve this state of mind. Interview with Rebecca Harcourt


Last week 22-28 August 2015 was National Book week and a number of our young Nura Gili family members, previously profiled in Nura Gili News in May and July 2015 celebrated their favourite characters: Savannah Bolt left dressed up as Jesse from Toy Story and also won the Book Week Costume Parade at her school- Mascot Public. Her brother Tariq right created a gruelling Captain Hook from Peter Pan. Savannah also recently won both her class Speech Competition and the overall winner of the Speech Competition of all kindy, year one and year two students. Congratulations Savannah!


“On Friday the 28 of August we had our Book Week Parade. Hannah and I were Thing one and Thing two: I dressed up as Thing one and Hannah dressed up as Thing two. It was very fun to dress up and we got to parade around the school. The book we used was Cat In The Hat.� Talara Kalland -right with her sister Hannah Here at UNSW we also celebrated Indigenous Literacy Day on nd Wednesday 2 September with fundraising activities initiated by UNSW Student Central for ILF The Indigenous Literacy Foundation Indigenous Literacy Day focuses on raising awareness of Indigenous literacy and the urgent need for children of all ages living in remote Indigenous communities to have access to books and other literacy resources.


It was a great gathering last month where we were able to share honestly about all the challenges of living with Diabetes, the many symptoms to look out of, the importance of self -care and how to also assist people living with Diabetes- type 1 or type 2 or Gestational and especially in an emergency situations where simple actions can be lifesaving. If you’re ever in doubt please just call triple 000 and make sure you let the paramedic’s know if the person has, and/or if you think they may have diabetes. And remember one sure sign someone is having a hypo is when the person seems disorientated, and/or is slurring their words and/or losing consciousness Teela Reid, Nura Gili UNSW JD Law student, shared evocatively and poignantly about her and her sister’s experiences caring for their Mum who really struggled with type 1 diabetes and many complications sadly resulting in renal failure. Teela’s passion and dedication to raise more awareness and reduce the growing epidemic of especially people now living with Type 2 Diabetes is tremendous and as she cites it’s importance and a key to Close the Gap. Teela ran the Sydney marathon and raised $2524 for the Australian Diabetes Council - read about her marathon experience here: Did you know the impact of living with Type 2 Diabetes can be reduced and even reversed through health management plans, eating well and increasing your activity such as daily works. Your AMS and DiabetesNSW can assist and support you in many ways and remember you are not alone. As someone who lives with Type 1 Diabetes and also with my Dad who also lives with Type 1 Diabetes I know how hard the daily challenges of living with Diabetes is and the many different ways it impacts on us, how we feel, our energy, what we’re able to do and not do. I think it’s important to be kind and care for ourselves, believe in ourselves and treat ourselves well so we can live a full life! I find being able to share and listen to others sharing about their experiences can really reduce those feelings of isolation and also helps motivate me to keep going, especially on those really tough days! It’s hard to explain to others who haven’t experienced it how hard it feels when you’re Hyper: your BSLs are sky high –the lethargy, the grumpiness- a scientific recognised sign!- the difficulty in concentrating, the frustrations; and then when you’re Hypo- the disorientation, the loss of control, unable to put two words together, the relief when you get it in time and eat some glucose jelly beans, drink a fizzy drink and literally feel like you are coming back to life! 22

Brad Goodwin Paramedic & Chairman Board of Director with Integrity First Aid Training shared with us about his experiences as a Paramedic and answered many questions from the floor which was very comforting for many. Genevieve Biviano, Life Coach RN CDE from DiabetesNSW also gave some great advice and tips and shared how Feltman (pictured page 22) which was created with Koorie Communities in Victoria and Diabetes Australia is a great interactive tool to understand more about living with Diabetes: our bodies, organs, role of glucose for energy. DiabetesNSW is here to assist and has designed a range of diabetes information sheets specifically for Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people

Rebecca Harcourt




We are delighted to announce Professor Peter Radoll the inaugural Dean of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education and Research, and Director Academic and Research at the Wollotuka Institute the University of Newcastle will be sharing his expertise and research as highlighted below for our next PRME Public Seminar on Thursday 24th September at 5pm in UNSW Business School Lounge All Welcome: UNSW Australia academic and professional staff, students; representatives from other universities, schools, TAFEs, industry, community, education, government, not for p rofit sector, media and so forth. To register please click here

Substantial recent growth in the number of Indigenous businesses means that the need for business-related skills in the Indigenous population will be greater than ever. This presentation reviews the existing literature relating to Indigenous students and business-related studies in Australia, and provides a snapshot of Indigenous students' participation in, and completion of, business-related higher education courses. Data from the Higher Education Statistics Collection are analysed, in conjunction with evidence on labour market outcomes of Indigenous and non-Indigenous graduates from the 2011 Census and the Australian Graduate Survey, to identify examples of strategies to engage Indigenous students in business-related courses. This analysis is complemented by extensive consultations with 15 of the 40 institutions involved in providing management and commerce courses in Australian universities. Indigenous support centres are an important factor, as are modes of teaching for the courses in question. A number of universities suggested working with industry to create more employment opportunities and support Indigenous role models in associated occupations (e.g. as is already occurring in the accountancy profession). Given the lack of participation of Indigenous students in enabling courses in this field of study, it is likely that Indigenous students will need to augment their level of proficiency in the basic competencies required for successful completion of their studies.

This PRME Public seminar is part of UNSW Business School’s commitment to Indigenous Business Education and the UN PRME see our latest progress report Sharing Information on Progress - 2015 - View Report. The PRME Community of Practice provide a network to come together with internal and external stakeholders to learn and share how we can better bring our values to life across research, teaching and engagement .


UNSW Australia has three campuses located in Kensington (main campus), Paddington (Art and Design) and Canberra (Australian Defence Force Academy). The main campus is located in Bedegal country and situated near an 8000 year old campsite. This campsite was a place where the Indigenous people of that country would gather and meet to teach their culture, knowledge and stories to their next generation of leaders. In 1949, UNSW was established providing the opportunity to pave a long history of teaching and research excellence and to gain the reputation for graduating the brightest and most highly qualified students in the country. With nine prestigious and award winning faculties, over 300 undergraduate, postgraduate and research programs being taught and more than 50,000 students, from 120 countries, the campsite traditions of gathering, meeting, teaching and sharing are being carried from the past in to the present.

Prior to 2004 Nura Gili was known as the Aboriginal Education Program (AEP) and the Aboriginal Research and Resource Centre. The AEP was established to provide Indigenous Australians studying at UNSW with the support needed to fully succeed in their studies. With the increasing number of Indigenous Australian students enrolling at UNSW and the need for improved academic and student support services, the AEP and Aboriginal Research and Resource Centre merged and became Nura Gili Indigenous Programs Unit. As a leader in Indigenous education, our purpose is to enrich Australia culturally and professionally. Nura Gili strives to enhance the capacity of Indigenous communities and individuals to engage in all aspects of Australian society - ensuring Indigenous knowledge, culture and histories are embedded in all aspects of the UNSW community. We provide a range of support services, Indigenous Studies programs and aspirational and pathway programs allowing us to be recognised nationally and internationally as a leader in academic and research excellence.

It’s important for us to provide a space that’s inspiring and creative, a space that will give you the best possible start to your higher education. In 2012, with the support of the Balnaves Foundation, we were able to build a state-of-the-art, central, innovative teaching and learning facility located in the heart of UNSW. At Balnaves Place, you will have 24 hour access to modern facilities with the most up to date technology, free printing facilities and private rooms for group and individual study in a calm and relaxing environment. Our centre has been designed for you.


Nura Gili News: If you would like to contribute ideas, news, letters and / or articles please contact the editor: Email: Telephone: 0478492075 If you would like to contribute to Indigenous scholarships for students at UNSW and/or Nura Gili Indigenous Programs Unit please feel free to make initial contact with the Director of Nura Gili Professor Martin Nakata B.Ed Hons PhD Telephone :+61 (2) 93853120 Email: - Prof Nakata's Webpage

If you would like further information on Nura Gili’s programs, courses and facilities you are welcome to come and visit and/or contact us: Nura Gili Indigenous Programs Unit Balnaves Place, Lower GrounDFloor Electrical Engineering Building UNSW Australia NSW 2052 Email: General Enquiries;+61 2 9385 3805

Balnaves Place – Home of Nura Gili was made possible thanks to a generous donation from The Balnaves Foundation, a private philanthropic organisation established in 2006 by Neil Balnaves AO to provide support to charitable enterprises across Australia.

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Nura Gili News Edition 23 September 2015  

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