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Joe Ellis email Posted on May 14, 2012 by nhaga


I had hoped to be done with arti cles on Joe Ellis . I had hoped to be done with the articles on Kelly “Joe” Ellis. However, the best laid plans of mice and men…. Last night an email conversation took place with “Joe Ellis that sheds much light on the online mug shots extortion scam and industry; in particular on “Joe Ellis.” A friend reported to me a threat on the site normanhaga.com. I had them copy the page and email it to me. On that page, there was this extortion attempt:

In response, I sent an email to the address that was given in the image stating that I was not interested; that I do not make agreements with extortionists. I then went to the site and copied that image to several services and to my local machine. At this point, I filed an IC3 complaint with the F.B.I. The complaint number is I1206080114029042. When I finished typing and mailing the complaint, I went to normanhaga.com to view the image myself and collect the exif information. The message had changed to the information below without this line: ISP: Qwest Communications 174.27.249.37

Please note that a few lines above my current IP (174.27.249.37) the IP Address of (174.27.232.191) is given. This picture illustrates the information in a reverse IP address look up would provide.


This information is is my currently assigned IP address. Please note that the city is Salt Lake City, Utah and not Springville, Utah as “Joe” Ellis would like people to believe. In preparation for this article, I sent myself several emails so that I would be able to illustrate the information that is in an email header. Further down in the article I will show this information. For now, let us move onto the emails that went back and forth after I sent an email to “Joe” Ellis at staff@normanhaga.com informing Ellis that I do not make deals with extortionists and the any threat that may have been made did not originate with me. My email information will be redacted. Email chain: ——— EMAIL CHAIN START ———— —– Forwarded Message —– From: Norman Haga < REDACTED> To: NormanHaga.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Dont you wish? Joe, Joe, Joe… You do realize that with this email I am responding to, you have just completed a case for extortion against yourself and others, don’t you? This chain of emails I made no promise of confidentiality at all. Now addressing your specific points: 1. If you received a threat, it must be reported in the jurisdiction you received it in and not the jurisdiction you believe it may have originated from. You may call the Joplin Police to verify that statement if you wish.


2. You have nothing to prove that any threat originated with me. Prove me wrong and send me the email header. 3. Obtaining information from a foreign server is almost impossible in a country that has privacy protection as strong as the originating country IP has. 46.xx is Switzerland. The Us government complains about it all the time. My suggestion is that you lay down, but I will keep corresponding with you if you wish. If you wish to keep a matter confidential, then ask. I will honor that request. ________________________________________ From: NormanHaga.com To: Norman Haga Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Dont you wish? Yes sir, correct, we are asking that you remove your information and cease future activity related to the precipitation of these events. Again, any other response other than one of cooperation, we result in a non-response, and immediate reporting to all stated agencies / entities. On 6/8/2012 2:39 AM, Norman Haga wrote: An agreement has two sides. What are you asking? ________________________________________ From: NormanHaga.com To: Norman Haga Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Dont you wish?

What do you mean let’s see what it is? We will take down all the mugshots, and all the information about you, including ‘normanhaga.com’ …There is nothing to ‘see’ this is a description of the actions we promise to execute. I am one click away from sending your death threat to salt lake county sheriff. Do you want to cooperate or not. I won’t fuck around any more Norman, this is my last offer to cooperate with you. Any other response other than ‘yes, i am willing to cooperate’ will result in a non-response, and immediate reporting of your death threat to said agencies.


On 6/8/2012 2:28 AM, Norman Haga wrote: I’ll read offer, but I am really not interested. Lets see what it is. ________________________________________ From: NormanHaga.com To: Norman Haga Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Dont you wish? The Marshall’s office doesn’t need an IP, they know where you are dipshit. Your death threats are being reported. You do understand that we are offering to REMOVE the material you requested removed don’t you? On 6/8/2012 2:08 AM, Norman Haga wrote: Don’t you wish that was me. Tis, true I use qwest, I also use other isp’s. my current assigned IP for the last two days is? Tell you what it ends in 37. Nice attempt though. I do thank you for being my best advertiser though. —– Forwarded Message —– From: NormanHaga.com To: Norman Haga Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:29 AM Subject: Re: Deal. k, well, the salt lake city jail knows you by name, I just talked to staff. I am in the process of submitting your death threat, if you would like to cooperate with each other let me know quickly, because I am not stopping and you are running out of time, i am almost done On 6/8/2012 2:27 AM, Norman Haga wrote: Don’t know anything about it. What email did it originate from. None that I control. So be my guest. The IP you gave is in Switzerland. ________________________________________ From: NormanHaga.com To: The Long ; Norman Haga


Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:22 AM Subject: Re: Deal. Your death threats are being forwarded to US Marshall’s office, Salt Lake County Sheriff’s office, our local police, your parole officer, and of course your ISP. Send me a note from jail. On 6/7/2012 7:50 PM, Norman Haga wrote: The deal offered is your life. Contract taken out and paid. Not just for you either; your entire family. Think about it! They go when I tell them to. Think of every day as your last. —– Forwarded Message —– From: Norman Haga To: NormanHaga.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Deal. Keep typing. —– Forwarded Message —– From: Norman Haga <

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To: NormanHaga.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Deal.

Don’t know anything about it. What email did it originate from. None that I control. So be my guest. The IP you gave is in Switzerland. ________________________________________ From: NormanHaga.com To: The Long ; Norman Haga Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:22 AM Subject: Re: Deal. Your death threats are being forwarded to US Marshall’s office, Salt Lake County Sheriff’s office, our local police, your parole officer, and of course your ISP.


Send me a note from jail. On 6/7/2012 7:50 PM, Norman Haga wrote: The deal offered is your life. Contract taken out and paid. Not just for you either; your entire family. Think about it! They go when I tell them to. Think of every day as your last. ——— END OF EMAIL CHAIN ————We now have the chain of the email conversation. We will examine it. First, the email that “Joe” is attributing to Norman Haga originated from an email address of hairybeast@hotmail.com, though “Joe” is attempting to add in information that would lead to Norman Haga (bottom email). If you follow the chain of emails you see that at no time did Norman Haga ever request that information be removed. In fact, you see that Norman Haga repeatedly stated that he was not interested in allowing extortion to occur on him; that Norman would not participate. The nice little data point is that Joe Ellis mentions the Salt Lake City Jail. There is no Salt Lake City Jail, nor is Norman Haga on parole! At this point, we examine the information in an email header. This header comes from a Gmail address sent to a yahoo a yahoo address and was run through http://whatismyipaddress.com/trace -email to obtain the information presented. Only my email information is redacted.

Gmail “test” sent from Gmail to hotmail:

Please note that the originating local IP address of “174.27.249.37” is not listed. Only the originating IP of the Google server the email was sent from is given. This image shows the source IP address. Note that the IP address is a Google server in Mountain View California, even though the message was sent from a Qwest IP address. I used no spoofing


methods on this email at all.

This image shows the Arin information on the originating server. Notice that it is Google server rather than a Qwest server.

I can demonstrate this information and data from all other web based mail servers. Here is an email from the series of emails Joe Ellis sent in that exchange attempting to prove that Norman Haga sent the email he is claiming. Notice the attempt to forge the header:


Joe Ellis again shows he is a con man, scamster, and extortionist. As a final word, here is a partial mapping of the â&#x20AC;&#x153;Joeellisâ&#x20AC;? botnet:

And for the $64 question: searchenginejet.com IP address is 64.27.29.28, the same as norman haga.com. (published 6-08-2012 but date changed to place into chronological order for article positioning)

Profile of Norman Haga @ Brandyourself.com Norman Haga Forum Landing Page Object 1


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