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STONES Nicole Jaffe / Avant Garde




Instruments: vocals, harmonica, percussion, guitar, bass, keyboards

KEITH RICHARDS / DEMI OBLIQUE Born: December 18, 1943



Instruments: guitar, vocals, bass, keyboards



Born: June 1, 1947


Instruments: guitar, bass, pedal steel, lap steel, harmonica, saxophone, drums, vocals, nose flute




Instruments: drums, percussion




I think that people that are reformed alcoholics and junkies and things have a bit of a tendency to do that. It’s encouraged. But I think I would prefer if he stopped giving graphic details of how he’s sick. Just my personal taste. How have you been able to contain everything yourself? You’ve never had those problems faced with?


I take it that you’ve heard the news about Kurt Cobain. What do you think?


Well, yeah. I don’t know. Somebody should have been taking care of the man, you know. He’s obviously a lunatic in the first place. The guy tried to do himself in in Rome. Nobody was there for him. He took a shotgun. Boom. Maybe he’s better off, you know. Who knows. He’d make a lousy plumber. I really…it’s nothing much to do with me. I mean guys kill themselves all the time, you know. I mean nobody hears about it. Because he’s a guitar player in a big band, everybody’s like, you know, crying in their beer.


Well, I said to Kurt Cobain, “There’s a difference between scratching your ass and tearing at the pieces,” you know. He didn’t have to, you know, kill himself to prove a point. I like bands like Pearl Jam and even they are having their problems with their identity kind of crisis, you know. We don’t want to be famous and all that kind of thing. I mean, why are they making records?

While I see you as a Rolling Stones member, playing drums and then I see you at the cricket at Lords, it’s like two totally different people.


Two totally different places. Can you imagine going into the bloody lawn room banging the drums? They be late people dead for the...Well, Mick and I usually go…and if I don’t go with Mick I go play cricket. It’s lovely, I think. I love cricket.

I can’t get Charlie to watch the England team losing. The tape arrives four days later, but I’m rather looking forward to Australia versus the West Indies. Bill said, “Well I’m not gonna tour again, I’m not going to record right again” 1990, so we knew that we were going to go on with someone else. We didn’t know what we were going to do. So I think, to be honest, I mean you miss a certain personality in there, but the bass in a band like the Rolling Stones is probably the easiest thing to replace.


But then I have to say that maybe Bill did the right thing because you do have to want to do this thing and you gotta want to do it a little more than 100%. You’ve gotta feel like sure in yourself and confident that this is what you want to do because you sign on that dotted line and it’s two years baby and you’re schleppin’ and either you’re looking forward to it and if you ain’t then it’s probably sheer murder. I’ve never been in that position, but I think maybe Bill felt maybe he was approaching it and in a way did us a favor. So I’m softening the blow, and I’m saying Bill maybe you did the right thing. Inadvertently, maybe. But Charlie Watson, Darrel I got a new engine down there, you know, in the engine room, you know, boom, and it’s a wonder to behold.


Yeah, I’ve had all kinds of problems, but I’ve not had them as large as some people, and I haven’t felt the need to confess on camera. Your band not only gets a nomination for a Grammy it wins a Grammy. Were you knocked out about that?


Yes, the first time we’d been nominated let alone win it. They gave us a little thing about 10 years ago, little wooden thing with a gramophone, you know, victrola with the horn in it, and I put it up on the wall and the nail fell out, and I thought well that’s a lifetime award. Thanks a lot. But any way, yeah in a way, yeah, the band secretly, everybody pretends that it doesn’t mean a thing but I think somewhere inside they are going, “Yes!” You toured with The Faces in ’74. Did you ever think you’d be a Rolling Stone?


Yeah, fate. The fact that when I got to Munich I was in a room between Jeff Beck, Stevie Maria, Harvey Mandel. They were all down the corridor. I don’t know. I just seemed to hit it off right away.

He seemed to bear his soul to them. Did that surprise you? Nicole Jaffe / Avant Garde

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Nicole Jaffe / Avant Garde

HERB LUBALIN, a prominent graphic

designer of the 60s and 70s, worked with American publisher

and author, Ralph Ginzburg, on several magazine publications. These three magazines were Eros, Fact, and finally Avant Garde. Lubalin decided to use tight-fitting

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letterforms and ligatures in the logo to create the futuristic, innovative look that Ginzburg requested. It was somewhat reminiscent of art deco typefaces but with a more modern twist. Many people in the design community sent requests to Lubalin, asking him to make a complete typeface based on the Avant Garde logo. With the help of Tom Carnase, According to Tony DiSpigna, one of Lubalin’s design partners, “The first time Avant Garde was used was one of the few times it was used correctly. It’s become the most abused typeface in the world.” American art director, author, and journalist, Steven Heller said, “[the] excessive number of ligatures…were misused by designers who had no understanding of how to employ these typographic forms,” and that “Avant Garde was Lubalin’s signature, and in his hands it had character; in others’ it was a flawed Futura-esque face.”

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another designer in his firm, Lubalin created ITC Avant Garde Gothic and released it through his International Typeface Corporation in 1970. Sadly, Avant Garde was largely misunderstood as a typeface and was often used incorrectly. In the end it became an overused, stereotypical typeface.

Avant Garde was intended for headlines, where the ligatures could be well-crafted and fully appreciated. Lubalin and Carnase created two designs for ITC Avant Garde, one with ligatures and alternate characters for setting headlines and one without ligatures and alternate characters for body copy. However, when Avant Garde became a digital typeface, the ligatures and alternate characters were not included, so designers were denied access to the most interesting aspect of the typeface. 9 pt

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In 2005, ITC released a new version of ITC Avant Garde Gothic called ITC Avant Garde Gothic Pro. This version of the typeface contains new ligatures as well as more cap and lowercap alternatives. Sadly, there are still some lost ligatures that can only be found in 8 pt scanned images from the 70s.

Nicole Jaffe / Avant Garde

Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

Everyone talks about rock these days; the problem is they forget about the roll.

The only things Mick and I disagree about is the band, the music and what we do. I’ve never had a problem with drugs. I’ve had problems with the police.

I must be careful not to get trapped in the past. That’s why I tend to forget my songs.

ANARCHY is the only slight glimmer of hope. If you’re going to kick authority in the teeth, you might as well use two feet.

I never thought I was wasted, but I probably was. To me, as long as we’ve known each other, I’ve always thought Mick’s most brilliant thing was that he could work in an area two foot square and give a very exciting performance.

You’ve got the sun, you’ve got the moon, and you’ve got the Rolling Stones.

A good thing never ends.

When I listen to what I did under the influence 10 years of work - I don’t think it either enhanced or impaired me. It didn’t have that much to do with it.

People get very thoughtful when they are in cars. I no longer care for cars. I don’t collect them.

life is ambiguous. Lose your dreams and you might lose your mind.

I only get ill when I give up drugs.


I look for ambiguity when I’m writing because

I’d rather be dead than singing “Satisfaction” when I’m forty-five.

I got nasty habits; I take tea at three.

People have this obsession. They want you to be like you were in 1969. They want you to, because otherwise their youth goes with you. It’s very selfish, but it’s understandable. Nicole Jaffe / Avant Garde

Avant Garde Type Specimen  

A type specimen for Avant Garde, featuring the Rolling Stones

Avant Garde Type Specimen  

A type specimen for Avant Garde, featuring the Rolling Stones