July 2017 (Issue 438)
Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc. Reg. No. A â&#x20AC;&#x201C; 0006149J / FWDV Member
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C ON T E N T S Intro 4 Committee 5 From The President 6 Upcoming 7 Next Meeting – Tuesday 25th July at 7.30pm 7 Notice of AGM 8 Trips and Social Events 9 External Events 11 Trip Report 11 Craig’s Hut Mt Sterling Sunday 4 June 11 Trip Summary 16 Trip and Recovery Gear 19 Jamie’s Report 21 Buy and Sell 21 Member Items for Sale 21 Minutes 22 Editor Notes 27 Committee Positions Nomination Form 28
INTRO The Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc. was originally formed over 40 years ago by an enthusiastic group of Subaru owners. Today the club has expanded to include all Subaru 4WD and AWD vehicles, as well as all other makes of AWD, light 4WD and crossover/soft-roader type vehicles. The club aims to participate in the exploration of the Australian countryside without damage to the environment, vehicle or individual. Visitors are most welcome to attend the clubâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s General Meetings and contact committee members regarding participation in club activities. The club relies on membership fees to offset its running costs, including insurance. Membership fees are payable each year, due on 31 May. Fees for the 2017/18 year were agreed at the general meeting in May 2017 and are as follows:
Member rates: Single: $125 (Seniors card - $115) Joint/family: $145 - (Seniors card - $130). One off joining fee of $15 ($30 for Joint/Family) also applies All annual fees include FWDV affiliation and trip insurance: $51 Members who choose not to receive a hard copy of the magazine are eligible for a $25 discount
Non-member trip fee: A trip fee of $15 per adult non-member applies (for insurance purposes)
Please contact the membership officer for further enquiries. Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
COMMITTEE Dale Rebgetz (President)
Duncan McCrae (Vice President)
Peter Bellis (Secretary)
Bob Marshall (Treasurer)
Dan Conlon (OM: Editor)
Lee Wagner (OM: Social)
Jamie Scott (OM: Community) Meredith Dale (OM: Venue Coordinator)
Mike Dale (OM: Trip)
Edith Fullalove (OM)
F R OM T HE P RE S I DE N T President’s Report, July 2017 Sometimes we think of winter as a quiet time. Lots of the better tracks are closed during the wetter, colder months – so they are still in good condition when opened again in summer. That coupled with a lack of long weekends typically means the trips are less adventurous or more social. This is also the time of the year when many people head north on bigger trips. Travelling north can mean all the way to the northern hemisphere for holidays, enjoying their summer season. However, it can also mean heading to central or northern Australia, where the temperatures can be dangerously hot in summer, yet are quite mild at this time of the year. In the last few years we have had a couple of trips across the Simpson Desert in the July-August time-frame. Another such crossing is scheduled in 2019 to mark the 40th anniversary of the first Simpson crossing by members of our club. Stay tuned for details closer to the time. The other thing that sometimes happens to July is it turns into another silly/festive season, with Christmas in July events. (Can some please explain to me why July is the chosen month and not June?) Already I have been to two such events this month, with a third scheduled for the 29th of this month. That, of course, is our own Christmas in July event, hosted this year by Mike and Meredith Dale. July is also the month to look into a deal on a new Subaru. They have just released their second generation XV, and by all reports it is a very good car. So that they can show it off, this month’s meeting is being hosted by Berwick Subaru. If you would like to test drive one, or some other model in the Subaru range, you can do so before the meeting, but you will need to pre-book with them. Please note, this month’s meeting is at Berwick Subaru, and starts half an hour earlier, at 7:30pm. See you there.
Dale Rebgetz President.
UPCOMING Next Meeting – Tuesday 25th July at 7.30pm Date: Tuesday 25th of July at 7.30pm. Venue: 1 Prestige place Berwick 3805 This month’s meeting is at Subaru Berwick.
There will be test drives from 6pm but you must book with Rakesh Dulani on 0450 107 900 Meeting starts at 7.30 and you need to bring a chair. Tea and coffee will be supplied as well as scones.
Door Prize: Door prize is being supplied by Berwick Subaru. Meredith Dale. Venue Coordinator
General Meeting Notice The Subaru 4WD Club holds its monthly general meeting on the last Tuesday of the month (no meeting in December) at the club house of the South Camberwell Tennis Club, 332 Burke Road, Glen Iris (just off the Monash Freeway) starting at 8pm – unless otherwise specified/advised. The meeting is open to all members and visitors. The usual agenda of the general meeting includes: Welcome of members and visitors. Review and acceptance of previous general meeting’s minutes. Correspondence. Reports by various office bearers. Other business as mentioned below. General business raised by members. “Fines and Fun” – including brief summaries of recent trips. Guest speaker or presentation. Supper and networking. Details of the next few general meetings are as per the schedule below. Date
Tue 29 Aug
South Camberwell Tennis Club
Guest Speaker / Presentation The 2017 Annual General Meeting will
Other Business -
Tue 26 Sep Tue 31 Oct Tue 28 Nov
South Camberwell Tennis Club South Camberwell Tennis Club South Camberwell Tennis Club
follow immediately after the conclusion of the general meeting. t.b.a.
Notice of AGM Notice is hereby given to members that the Annual General Meeting of the Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc will be held on Tuesday, 29th August 2017 at the South Camberwell Tennis Club rooms, 322 Burke Road, Glen Iris commencing after the finish of the August 2017 general meeting. Order of business will include:
Confirmation of the minutes of the 2016 annual general meeting. Presentation of the 2017 annual report. Presentation of 2017 annual financial statement. General business. Presentation of awards. Election of officers of the club and ordinary members of the committee.
Nominations for committee positions should be submitted to the club secretary by no later than 7 days prior to the Annual General Meeting. However, on the day, nominations for committee positions will be accepted from the floor of the meeting. Special Resolutions If a member wishes to bring an item of business to the Annual General Meeting that requires a special resolution, 21 days written notice of the special resolution must be given to all club members. Peter Bellis Secretary
Trips and Social Events We have a variety of trips coming up! With that we’d also like to remind you that if you want to get your name down on the list for a trip but maybe can’t make it to the meeting you are always welcome to contact the trip leader directly or contact
email@example.com As always, if you know a great location that you would love to lead a trip to (or even if you just want to suggest it) let us know, we’re always on the lookout for the next adventure!!
Put up the suggestion and someone else might run it Put up the suggestion and ask for someone else who might want to co-lead it with you. You might want it run it yourself and if it is your first time we will provide you with a trip mentor.
Christmas in July When: 29th of July Trip leader: Meredith Dale
Trip Standard: Social Come and pig out at the Dale’s and marvel at their new shed. $25 per person.
High Tea Chateau Yering Hotel When: 3rd of August Trip leader: Lee Wegner
Trip Standard: Social
Winter Lights - Walhalla When: 19th to 20th of August.
Trip leader: Katie and Peter
Trip Standard: Social
Mt Skene When: 19th to 20th of August Trip leader: Mike Dale
Trip Standard: Medium
Camping above the snow line. Bring some firewood and a something warm to sleep in. Snow chains would be a good idea also
Mt Disappointment – Wallen to Strath Creek When: Sunday 3rd of September Trip leader: Tim Folliard Trip Standard: Medium
Day trip starting at Wallan at 9:00 am. Convoy limit of 8.
Wyperfield When: Cup Weekend 4th to 7th of November. Trip leader: Mike Dale Trip Standard: Medium
Meet at Rainbow on Friday night. Head off Saturday down Milmet Road track to Big Billy Bore. Camp there Saturday, Sunday and Monday night. Day drives around Wyperfield National Park. Tackle the monster dune, but in the day time!
Long Term Future Planning 2018
Deua National Park, Easter (10 days). Trip leader: Mike Dale Tasmania, TBC. Trip leader: Jessica Kangaroo Island, TBC. Trip leaders: Jean and Lisa
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Simpson Desert. Trip leader: Jamie Gawler Rangers/ Googs Track, TBC. Trip Leader: Mike Dale
Coffin Bay/Lincoln NP, TBC. Trip Leader: Mike Dale
CSR, TBC. Trip Leader: Dale
Trip and Social Contacts • •
Trip Coordinator: Mike Dale Social Coordinator: Lee Wegner
External Events Find more events on our Facebook page Our Facebook page: www.facebook.com/subaru4wdvic
TRIP REPORT Craig’s Hut Mt Sterling Sunday 4 June I arrive at the Mansfield meeting place after fuelling up and was met by Duncan and Lee shortly after. Lee went and got coffees whilst Duncan and I 11 | P a g e
discussed route options. As it was only the two vehicles we decided to add a difficult track option and also visit Bindaree Falls. A week earlier Mt Sterling was blanketed in snow, but all week it had been sunny so I had made the call that snow chains would not be required. We headed off on the road to Mt Buller and Mt Sterling. It was a clear sky and you could see the snow on the summit of Mt Buller. At Mirimbah we turned on to the gravel road to Mt Sterling and soon encountered the first patches of snow and ice! Pulling into Telephone Box Junction Lee radios to say my right rear tyre had suddenly gone flat We had planned to stop here to air down but having to change the tyre allowed some slower moving traffic to get ahead of us. It was very cold around 3 deg C, so we were quickly back on the road. A group of 4wds ahead of us were painfully slow. The conditions on the Circuit Road varied from mud to light snow and ice to dusty, depending upon the orientation of the sun. Due to lack of local knowledge, the leader of the convoy in front missed the turn off to Craig’s Hut. We quickly took advantage of the situation and overtook the rear of the convoy and turn onto the access track to Craig’s. Due to the snow melt, Clear Hills Track was boggy and slippery, and very busy with traffic in the opposite direction. Arriving at the car park it was busy like Chadstone on Boxing Day! We found a spot to park and then went off to explore. Craig’s Hut is not a historic high country cattle mens hut. It was built as a set for the 1982 film the Man from Snowy River. The hut that now stands there is not the original as it has been burnt down and replaced several times due to bush fires. After taking in the views we had lunch. We then headed up Clear Hills Track towards the summit and again encountered heavy traffic at times coming back down. Some of the drivers did not seem to want to give way. This section of Clear Hills was very wet and slippery and both of us got to the Monument Track turn off without difficulty. And there was plenty of snow!
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At this point Duncan thought he should lead, but I was comfortable up front. There was no traffic on the Monument Track. After a steep climb, we began to ascend. It was steep, it was muddy, it was slippery and then we hit the ice! It might have been 3 deg C, but I broke out into a sweat as I slewed sideways down an icy slope, with no hope of stopping that is, until I nudged into the embankment. I radioed Lee & Duncan and told them to stay put. I was not able to move; the wheels just would not grip.
On assessing the situation Duncan would have to christen his winch. I staggered and slipped my way up the slope to meet and discuss the recovery. Lee ignored my advice that the slope was slippery as she headed down with the winch cable and promptly landed on her backside!
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With the winch cable attached and pulling me backwards my Forester was like a pendulum and eventually pointed down the slope. After disconnecting the winch cable, I started to head down again. The section after the next wash out was again very icy and I managed to descend without incident. Then anyone listening to the UHF would have heard Lee’s call over the radio, “Paul I have bad news, Duncan’s just strained his sphincter muscle!” “What?” “We just went sideways down the next section” “Oh, I told you it was slippery!”. We were all kind of happy to see the end of the Monument Track!!
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TRIP SUMMARY Trip
Tue 25 Jul @
29th of July
3rd of August
19th to 20th
Katie and Peter
Chateau Yering Hotel
Social and Medium ■
19th to 20th
Tue 29 Aug @
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Sunday 3rd of
– Wallen to
Tue 26 Sep @
Tue 31 Oct @
4th to 7th of November. Meeting
Tue 28 Nov @
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From here we headed down Bindaree track to Bindaree Falls. Bindaree Falls are quite picturesque as you are able to walk behind the falls and look out through it. At the base of the falls we met a 4wd group from Albury who were quite friendly. Chatting to them when we got back to the car park, one of them got quite excited when he discovered we had come down the Monument Track, they had come around via the Circuit. Obviously impressed one of them calls out to his mates “HEY HE WENT DOWN MONUMENT IN THAT!”, pointing at my Forester parked in front of their very serious looking 4wds. They warned us before we departed about ice on the Circuit when heading towards Howqua Gap. Several sections of the track ahead were indeed very icy. We stopped briefly at Howqua Gap to look at the huts before heading back down to Mirimbah to air up. We stopped several times for photo opportunities in the snow. While airing up at Mirimbah, Duncan managed to find some snow on some barriers that had been brought down from Mt Buller and promptly lobbed some snow balls at an unsuspecting Lee. From here we headed back to Mansfield and parted company. Trip participants:
Paul | Forester Duncan & Lee | Ford Ranger
TRIP AND RECOVERY GEAR The aim of all Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc. trips is to have an enjoyable experience in the bush, increasing 4WD’ing skills and experience, whilst maintaining the highest regard for the safety of individuals, the vehicle and the environment. As a driver, you have ultimate responsibility for the safety of your passengers and vehicle. It is the responsibility of any participating driver to contact individual trip leaders for clarification of individual trip requirements and standards.
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Financial members are encouraged to participate in as many trips as possible to increase confidence and experience. Visitors are welcome subject to the payment of the appropriate levy to cover insurance, but after two visits, should consider membership. Non-financial members are not covered by insurance and may not participate until payment is received. Individual drivers with concerns or queries regarding their vehicle and the trip standard should contact relevant trip leaders. The Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc. recommends that each vehicle carry the following items or equipment on every trip: 1.
Personal details form as specified by FWDV, copy to Trip Leader
Two rated D- Shackles (minimum 3.2t)
Rated snatch strap
Recovery Points, Front & Rear; plus, optional bridle strap,
Emergency Supplies (matches, food, water and clothing)
10. Sufficient Fuel, Oil and Water for the trip and delays 11. A Tyre Pressure Gauge; Compressor (according to the trip)
according to vehicle design;
12. An Axe, Bow or Chain saw;
UHF (477Mhz) Channel 16 CB
13. A Sturdy Shovel (collapsible
Radio. Ideally in car but hand held are ok provided sufficient battery(s) to last the trip. 6.
shovels are no good) 14. Spare Parts (appropriate to the nature of the trip)
Fire Extinguisher, accessible to
15. A Tool Kit
16. Personal First Aid Kit
Spare Tyre (full size)
17. The Vehicle Manual
Jack and wheel Brace, or equivalent
Any vehicle not carrying at least the first five (5) items of equipment should contact the individual Trip Leader before leaving. Any Club member unsure about any of the items of equipment listed above are advised to contact the Trip and Social Coordinator or the Trip Leader concerned. All Trip Leaders carry a complete First Aid
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Kit in case of emergency. All non-emergency medical needs are expected to be met by individuals own medical supplies.
JAMIE’S REPORT “Still have I still have 3 boxes of chocolates for sale. Thanks. Jamie.”
B U Y AN D S E LL Member Items for Sale Editor’s note: if you have anything listed for sale which has been sold please remember to let us know at firstname.lastname@example.org Item: 1991 L series GL wagon Details: My father's 1991 L series GL wagon. 235000 gentle kms, none off road. Auto. Burgundy. ETZ424. Cost: $250 ONO
Contact Rob Boykett Item: Forester Aluminium Bash Plates Details: made from 6.0mm construction grade aluminium Cost: $300 for club members, $330 for non-members. Fitting can be arranged. Contact: David Wilson, email@example.com Item: Set of 4 alloy rims from Outback 1997 model Cost: $120.00 ONO Contact: David Wilson, firstname.lastname@example.org Item: Roof console to hold CB and lights and switches for Outback Cost: $100.00 Contact: David Wilson, email@example.com
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Item: Vic blue and white standard number plates in as new condition 1XV4US Cost: $400.00 ONO Contact: Jenny Item: number plate SUBARU Can be re-issued in any custom design via the Vic Roads website (see link below) if a different colour or style is preferred: https://www.vplates.com.au/index.php?page=customise-plate Cost: negotiable, but realistic offers between $3,500 to $6,000 Contact: Richard
Want to sell something Subaru/off-road related? Contact firstname.lastname@example.org
The club makes this space available free of charge to members wishing to buy or sell items. Please note that the Motor Car Trader Regulations 1998-22(4) require that vehicles for sale advertisements must contain: (a) the cash price of the vehicle and; (b) the registration number if registered or the engine/chassis numbers if unregistered.
M IN U T E S Committee Meeting Minutes Minutes of the meeting of the committee of the Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc held on 04/07/2017 at the home of Duncan & Lee starting at 7.48pm. 1.
Present Lee Wegner, Duncan McCrae, Jamie Scott, Mike Dale, Meredith Dale, Dale Rebgetz.
Apologies Bob Marshall, Peter Bellis, Dan Conlon, Edith Fullalove.
Quorum A quorum was achieved with 6 committee members present.
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Minutes of the Previous Meeting 5.1. Minutes of the previous meeting 6th June @ Meredith & Mike Dale accepted. 5.2. Business Arising from the Minutes and Outstanding Actions 5.2.1. Duncan hasn’t signed the bank forms and will not considering not re-standing for 2017/18 5.2.2. Request for advertising in the magazine carried over club’s magazine by All Drive Subaro: Action: Stephen Whittaker to follow up (Peter to follow up with Stephen) 5.2.3. By-Law – Convoy travel – Action Peter yet to complete re-formatting of agreed text into By-Law format. 5.2.4. New member pack – Dale to review 5.2.5. 40th Birthday photo book – Meredith to send photo book. 5.2.6. Club equipment register – needs to be updated and distributed Lee sent email to Dan. 5.2.7. Club Magazine Archiving- needs to be followed up with Martin, Duncan to action. Correspondence 6.1. In Membership report for AGM by Martin Email from Duncan re training dates – Duncan to follow up re proposed training dates. Jamie submitted Community report Duncan submitted notification of grievance Correspondence from Damian re grievance Subaru WA web development an offer of assistance to build our website – Martin responded. 2 x Expressions of Interest in joining S4WDC – Dale responded. 6.2. Out Dale’s response to EOI to join the club President & Secretary’s responses to Damien re grievance. Reports 7.1. Resources Moved to new clothing supplier for the club “U Name it Embroidery” Boronia Vic. Added Beanies to the range black & red. All stock sold of the Beanies. 7.2. Trip and Social upcoming Tim Follard to lead a trip – out of the green Robert Pepper Book. Portland Buggy club Grand final week-end. Duncan $50 p/driver Oxfam Xmas Tree delivery Peter & Jean Bellis. 7.3. Venue Meredith dropped off brochures at Berwick Subaru. Test drives need to be booked Door prizes, BYO Chairs. 7.4. 7.5. 7.6. 7.7.
August AGM – Pizza’s from Camberwell. September – Red Desert Tours Ron & Vivienne Moon. Canning Stock Route Oct/Nov – Steven Epic High Country Tip Nov17 /Mar 18 – Subaru Docklands – Trip at Weeribee 4WD test track November – Christmas BBQ Jan 18 – Welcome back BBQ
Membership Nil. Editor Mag published. Treasurer Report submitted total @bank $9185.41. Secretary Nothing to report
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Vice-President Nothing to report as per meeting in June 17 general meeting. 7.9. President Nothing to report Sub-Committees 8.1. Communications WA Subaru offer of help with the website - response pending further investigation of our own requirements. S4WDC will proceed with our own development now. President to respond accordingly. 8.2.
9. 10. 11. 12. 13.
Community Involvement Cadbury Chocolates $850 - $900 potentially. Roughly $300 profit Oxfam Xmas Tree Delivery Jean & Peter. Suggestion to contact DELWP to erect signs at Castlemaine Ruins by S4WDC. Jamie to contact DELWP- Duncan getting contact @DELWP for Jamie. 8.3. Constitution Review Nil. 8.4. Training/Education Duncan waiting for response from Simon Musty on dates available for training. Put in Mag Ad for 4WD trainers. General Business Discussion of previous correspondence with Damien Stock. Club plates – documentation sent to Vic Roads by Mike Dale sans Constitution. Mike to send Constitution. Next Meeting will be held on 1st August Tuesday at 7.30 pm at the home of Peter Bellis. Meeting closed at 9.28pm.
General Meeting Minutes The general meeting of the Subaru 4WD Club of Victoria Inc was held on Tuesday, 27th June at the South Camberwell Tennis Club starting at 8.09pm. 1.
Present Bob Marshall, David Hewitt, Endi Hewitt, Katie Mynard, Peter Mynard, Peter Fullalove, Richard Saleeba, Paul Saleeba, Martin Foot,Duncan McCrae, Lee Wegner,Meredith Dale, Michael Dale,Les Scott,Jamie Scott,Phil Milkins, Elaine Milkins,Tim Follard,Kevin Bird,A, S Chritiansen,Dale Rebgetz, Rick Koster
Apologies Ruth Marshall,Edith Fullalove,Damien Stock,Peter & Jean Bellis,Kerry & Graham Gill,David Wilson, Bev Davidson, Robert Miller.
Welcome A welcome was extended to all members and visitors.
Quorum A quorum was achieved with 23 members present.
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Minutes of the Previous General Meeting
6.1. The minutes of the June General Meeting were accepted without amendment after being moved and seconded. 6.2. There was no business arising from the minutes. Correspondence 7.1. In Magazines from Swan Hill 4WD club Magazines from QLD Subaru 4WD club Discounted 4x4 tickets 7.2. Out Nil Reports 8.1. Resources Clothing available for purchasing, beanies a new addition @$15 ea Caps available @$20 ea 8.2. Editor 1. Dan Conlon is doing a great job, but he is taken up with other things after the AGM, the club is looking for another volunteer to take up the mantle of Mag Editor. 8.3. Trip and Social Xmas in July at Mike and Meredith Dale’s $25 p.p. High Tea at Chateau Yerling August 6th $60 p.p Winter Lights @ Walhalla 19- 20 August 8.4. Venue June Meeting Dale Rebgetz Car Safety August Meeting @ Subaru Berwick, book for a test driver meeting starts at 7.30pm & AGM
8.5. Membership. Membership fees are due! These are due at the beginning of July. No new membership applications 8.6. Treasurer $9425.41 at bank. 8.7. Secretary No report 8.8. Vice-President Attended 4WD Vic meeting 4WD Vic insurance is being extended to vehicle insurance + roadside assist. S4WD members are encouraged to report what members spend when participating in club activities. A form is available from the 4WD Vic website. This is to quantify the value to tourism from 4WD-ers. 4WD Vic Presentation available to members in the July magazine. 8.9. President Membership fees, don’t forget to pay your fees. AGM coming up, there will be a call for committee positions. You don’t have to be on the committee to be of assistance. General Business
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There are still chocolates for sale!!! Buy Buy Buy Martin & Dot Foot away enjoying a holiday travelling to Well 6 and has explored a new fuel and battery system for their Suby. 9.3. Sold his Brumby. 9.4. Driver Training dates have been proposed to the Trainer Simon Musty. 9.5. Membership badge presented to Sandra. 10. Fines and Fun 10.1. Nametags Les & Jamie Scott, Rick Koster, Peter Landouris 10.2. Last to Meeting Rick Koster 10.3. Trips
10.3.1. Craig’s Hut Paul Saleeba Paul Saleeba fined for a flat tyre at Telephone junction Duncan McCrae for not leading Paul Saleeba for skidding on ice and sliding into an embankment Duncan for straining a sphincter muscle when he slid down the same embankment Lee Wegner for slipping/falling over on the ice Duncan for throwing snowballs. 10.3.2 Castlemaine Trip Mike Dale Meredith Dale directed Mike into a hole Mike for getting lost Visitors Rosemary & Kurt for pressing the wrong button on the radio. 10.4. Total fines collected - $5.25 11. Guest Speaker / Presentation Dale Rebgetz spoke about Car Safety. 12. The Lucky door prize was won by Tim Follard 13. The next meeting will be held on Tuesday 27th July commencing at 8pm. 14. Meeting closed at 9.45pm and was followed by supper.
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E DIT OR N OT E S Thanks for all the contributions again this month!
Any interesting articles you find and want to share, or if you would like to write an article for the magazine …. let me know! Just a friendly reminder also to please proof read, and be sure to use punctuation and grammar. The deadline for submissions for next month is:
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