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I suppose first we need some weather metrics which could be frequency, intensity, perhaps duration, maybe normalized damage, etc.The goal of of CO2 emissions reduction is to get back to normal weather (correct me if I'm wrong on that one). Okay, please describe normal weather and even better provide some examples in the past of normal weather? (This would be required to know since after all it is our goal)______________________________________________________@Jeff M: "I'm sure you are perfectly aware that they are talking about trends."No, I'm pretty sure they are talking about probabilities like a 1 in a 100 year storm occurring every 20 years or analogies like "loaded dice" or "raising the basketball floor a foot".However, trends would likely be needed to verify these new probabilities. Too bad we'd need data over timescales that would preclude us from seeing results in our lifetime.However, you've hit upon my theme for this question which is, is "new normal" sound science or a catch-phrase? I'm going with the latter but this question is your chance to prove me wrong._________________________________________________________@Jeff M: "the 'new normal' is talking about a change in a trend."You accuse me of word games and then throw in whole different kettle of fish, a "change" in a trend. Really? Tell me, was 1998 a change in global temperature trend? Or is the last 15 years just a temporary natural fluctuation or variability and the "underlying" warming trend is actually still there. Even though we can't see it. Or it's too short a time, you need 15 more years to work it out?But this new normal weather trend change, you can see that instantly. And it's certainly not natural variability. It's all man made. And if we act now, we can reverse it all and go back to the old normal weather trend.Is that basically your position? Did I leave anything out? Oh wait, there is one more thing. You say weather and climate are different. So this is the new normal climate? Or the new normal weaweather? _______________________________________________________________@Jeff M: "You are playing word games just as you always do in here."No, you are sidestepping contradictions just like you always do in here.________________________________________________________@Rolando Prico: "For Ottawa a temperature between -4째C and -15째C I will leave it up to you to decide if freezing rain and 0째C is "normal"."When it's -25C, warmers call it natural variability or variance. So that's what I'll call 0C. 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