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WALTHAM FOREST NEWS A project to develop a speakers' corner in Stoneydown Park has begun 11:35am Friday 13th November 2009 Print

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By Claire Hack » A SPEAKERS’ corner could be established in Walthamstow , following a proposal by teachers and residents. Waltham Forest Council is supporting the plan to use a spot in Stoneydown Park to promote local democracy . Teachers from three local schools and the Friends of Stoneydown Park are working with the Speakers ’ Corner Trust to develop the project. A meeting will be held on Thursday (November 19) at the Queens Road Community Centre to

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The Stoneydown Park speakers ’ corner will be the first to be established in London since the original in Hyde Park in the 1870s. Print

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Techno2, Walthamstow says... 2:07pm Fri 13 Nov 09

JonathanB wrote: Why not LLoyd park? Stonydown is tiny and when people go there in the Summer they'll have to put up with shouting idiots. If it was in LLoyd park thes loads of space for those who want peace an quiet. LLoyd park only serves a part of the borough. There are other parks in Walthamstow and many people in West Walthamstow don't go the Lloyd park because it is too far. It is not a bad idea to provide facilities for those people nearer where they live, even though what most of them would really want, if asked, would be other things, like the reopenning of the St James's Street Library and access to a cinema and a nearby swimming pool. ” REPORT THIS POST »

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KWyatt-Lown, says... 2:52pm Fri 13 Nov 09

What an extraordinary debate. Techno2 (who seems to have a view on most things and so,

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one would have thought, should know we already have platforms throughout the Borough through which residents are encouraged to debate issues important to them) along with Cllr. Pye (who claims Community as part of her portfolio) really ought to be championing the existing network of Community Councils. Let’s all focus on making what we already have better publicised and better attended instead of wasting time, effort (and, I don’t doubt, more ratepayers cash) on the latest Whitehall whim. If there are any schools in the North Chingford area who want to develop their pupil’s awareness and pro-active engagement in public debate, they will be very welcome at the Community Council I chair. It’s an initiative I’ve been trying to move forward for ages. Kevin Wyatt-Lown Chair, North Chingford Community Council” REPORT THIS POST »

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Techno2, Walthamstow says... 3:15pm Fri 13 Nov 09

KWyatt-Lown wrote: What an extraordinary debate. Techno2 (who seems to have a view on most things and so, one would have thought, should know we already have platforms throughout the Borough through which residents are encouraged to debate issues important to them) along with Cllr. Pye (who claims Community as part of her portfolio) really ought to be championing the existing network of Community Councils. Let’s all focus on making what we already have better publicised and better attended instead of wasting time, effort (and, I don’t doubt, more ratepayers cash) on the latest Whitehall whim. If there are any schools in the North Chingford area who want to develop their pupil’s awareness and proactive engagement in public debate, they will be very welcome at the Community Council I chair. It’s an initiative I’ve been trying to move forward for ages. Kevin

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Wyatt-Lown Chair, North Chingford Community Council There is nothing extra-ordinary about this debate. Its simply a reflection of the fact that the existing structures don't seem to have delivered very much for this part of the borough. Your useful point almost illustrates this, as you remind us that there ARE supposedly means whereby residents views can be put forward, but then focuss immediately on the concerns of North Chingford, a place which may as well be the moon for many local residents. Not many people outside this part of the borough can pay attention to its concerns for more than a few seconds before ignoring it. The current system does not seem to work for us. I am not entirely sure why, but t is for those reasons I have become such a nag about matters that concern this part of the borough. Most of the council's resources, when they are available tend to go elsewhere , arriving or, more often leaving, as a result of top-down decisions, undemocratically, ineptly (and sometimes corruptly) made made elsewhere. Thus we lost our library for reasons few here undertsand or accept and are offered dodgy fixes by the council to sell off the property to the PCT or shadowy pals of councillors, decisions taken by councillors who do not represent this part of the borough. It seems the voices of locals are wasted breath. To this extent I have some sympathy with the aim of the Speakers Corner idea - if it invigorates local discussion it would be a great idea. Sadly, I am pessimistic that it will work in the long run, but very much respect the motives of the Friends of Stoneydown Park and the hard work they and some others notable for their rarity voluntarily put in to try to stem the rot in our local civic life. ” REPORT THIS POST »

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Ricardo E17 Art Trail, Walthamstow says... 5:11pm Fri 13 Nov 09

It is a shame that any available space is not used for local art and crafts instead of an 'open mike situation' for potential crackpots. There seems to be

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KWyatt-Lown, says... 5:14pm Fri 13 Nov 09

I take your point about wanting to encourage a stronger voice in your part of the Borough Techno2 and I’m sorry I can only speak for my part of the borough but that’s where I’m elected to act as Community Chair. You do have a Community Council in your area and I really would urge you and your fellow residents to use it not only as a platform for your own voices but as a conduit for direct lobbying of your own local ward councillors – from whom you deserve answers to minuted questions. On the subject of hard working volunteers, I couldn’t agree more. Unlike the Councillor Chairs (who co-host these evenings and get over £4000 a year in allowances for doing so) I and my fellow Community Chairs are all volunteers who give our time for free to help ensure our neighbourhood resident’s voices are better heard. The Council themselves do a woeful job in promoting the meetings but the WFBC web site does carry all the dates and venues. I urge you and you neighbours to get your voices heard. Kevin Wyatt-WALT Chair, North Chingford Community Council” REPORT THIS POST »

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Panoptes, says... 5:39pm Fri 13 Nov 09

If it's crackpots you want to avoid, Ricardo E17 Art Trail, my advice would be DON'T go to Community Councils (excellent chairing notwithstanding).” REPORT THIS POST »

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mdj, e10 says... 6:26pm Fri 13 Nov 09

'Cllr Marie Pye, cabinet member for communities and housing, said: "This is a fantastic initiative which will stimulate debate...' ..and get all the stroppier critics of the Council

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safely out of the way, ranting on the blasted heath, while the Community Councils become even more sedated than they usually are already. If we all push away at the CC's, these could become genuine public forums (no criticism of Kevin here at all, BTW), but at present they're the shadow of what they could be. This week at the Leyton one, endless time was (quite deliberately) filibustered on voting for minute sums of money for worthy local causes, while questioning over the giant Cricket Ground boondoggle was shunted into as small a time as possible. This, along with many other things, has to change before we can claim to live in an accountable system. BTW : do folk realise that Council Chairs of CC's get c.£4,000 pa for about twenty minutes work every three months? The community chair who does most of the evening's work gets nowt!” REPORT THIS POST »

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Panoptes, says... 8:13pm Fri 13 Nov 09

Love boondoggle, mdj. Very appropriate that argot of the Great Depression should be recycled in our own uncertain times.” REPORT THIS POST »

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Investigations, Victoria BC says... 11:18pm Fri 13 Nov 09

Nasty proposal that should do much for the civil rights and law and disorder lobby! As freedom of speech has already been seriously curtailed in Britain it will be interesting to read about the actions of the "thought" police if this daft idea ever comes to fruition! However. there will still be plenty of "permitted" but dangerous ideas to give work for the Walthamstow riot squad!” REPORT THIS POST »

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Panoptes, says... 12:02am Sat 14 Nov 09

Freedom of speech? Hmmm. When one has been subjected to a nasty, homophobic rant masquerading as street evangelism one begins to wonder. As Oliver Wendle Holmes

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lindasfriend, leyton says... 10:11am Mon 16 Nov 09

Not a bad idea at all. I don't agree it will have an adverse affect on attendance at Community Council meetings. I think it is more likely to encourage people to be involved in what's going on. I do object to the place, however, it needs to be somewhere central where people passing by might just stop and listen for a few moments. The arcade site would be ideal! ” REPORT THIS POST »

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Techno2, Walthamstow says... 12:38pm Mon 16 Nov 09

lindasfriend wrote: Not a bad idea at all. I don't agree it will have an adverse affect on attendance at Community Council meetings. I think it is more likely to encourage people to be involved in what's going on. I do object to the place, however, it needs to be somewhere central where people passing by might just stop and listen for a few moments. The arcade site would be ideal! You may not mean it to be the case, but your comment sort of entirely illustrates some of the problem. The council justified destroying the library at St James's Street because they thought that people could be required to go to the Central Library instead. People in the Western part of Walthamstow are continually fobbed off by planners who insist they have to walk uphill for a mile or two before they get to any facilities they can use, and when they get there, they have to share them with the squeeky wheels from the Village or endure something which a social engineer has dreamt up for a consultancy fee. ” REPORT THIS POST »

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The Arcade 'triangle', what a good idea! Perhaps we could have speakers on ice (or is that synthetic ice?).” REPORT THIS POST »

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Walthamster , Walthamstow says... 5:00pm Mon 16 Nov 09

I thought this was a joke when I first saw it. Stoneydown Park is a pretty, quiet, popular spot that's currently enjoyed by all kinds of local people. It's a safe place for children to play games and ride their bicycles round the lawns. It's one of the very few places in the area for older people to take a stroll in a bit of greenery. Even when full of children (as it often is), the trees and grass dampen sound so that it doesn't feel noisy. But there are no passing crowds to stop and listen to a speaker - people go to the park for a bit of peace and quiet. As others have said, why not go to West Walthamstow community council meetings, where there's some point in making a speech?” REPORT THIS POST »

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Walthamster , Walthamstow says... 5:00pm Mon 16 Nov 09

I thought this was a joke when I first saw it. Stoneydown Park is a pretty, quiet, popular spot that's currently enjoyed by all kinds of local people. It's a safe place for children to play games and ride their bicycles round the lawns. It's one of the very few places in the area for older people to take a stroll in a bit of greenery. Even when full of children (as it often is), the trees and grass dampen sound so that it doesn't feel noisy. But there are no passing crowds to stop and listen to a speaker - people go to the park for a bit of peace and quiet. As others have said, why not go to West Walthamstow community council meetings, where there's some point in making a speech?” REPORT THIS POST »

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backwoods wrote: The Arcade 'triangle', what a good idea! Perhaps we could have speakers on ice (or is that synthetic ice?). To go with the synthetic anger.” REPORT THIS POST »

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Techno2, Walthamstow says... 5:50pm Mon 16 Nov 09

Something tells me that most of the people attending these sessions are going to be school children taken there by their teachers, in which case we can expect a fair bit of surly boredom out of earshot while the teachers' pets perform on cue. But you never know, there may be some good come out of this. Some people will have heard of Stoneydown Park anyway. ” REPORT THIS POST »

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lindasfriend, leyton says... 7:07pm Mon 16 Nov 09

Well, when I was Brendafriend, (before I was banned for using a slang word meaning breasts), I actually did suggest the triangle be used as a speakers' corner when they were asking for our ideas. I was being facetious, thinking it would serve them jolly well right to have to put up with being lampooned and criticised on that ridiculous space. Imagine my surprise to see it being suggested in all seriousness . But Techno2, I don't really get your point. Are you saying that certain parts of Walthamstow constantly get ignored? Cos if you are - you want to try living in Leyton! If that isn't what you're saying - would you mind telling me again?” REPORT THIS POST »

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larry g, chigwell says... 8:47am Wed 18 Nov 09

can you imagine the nut jobs that would be queing up for a rant.. no thanks...leave em all in the E17 town square on a saturday ” REPORT THIS POST »

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leytonstoner, leyton says... 6:14pm Thu 19 Nov 09

ceegriffin wrote: What a really, quite incredibly bad idea. I often manage Speakers Corner, and it's the home of utter freaks and blithering idiots. Sweep my street, Waltham Forest! HEAR , HEAR .......... Sweep my street also Waltham Forest !!!!” REPORT THIS POST »

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