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FRAYED is a free, independent bi-monthly creative arts & culture magazine concerned with the exploration and documentation of expression. Investigating the inspiration behind the art, it provides a canvas for creative people to document their life and work. FRAYED is for those who love creativity in all its forms but long to know how and most importantly - why it exists.

06 Mak 14 Tom Skelly 22 MareD 30 Paul Regan Frayed Issue #003 August 2014 for submissions & advertising enquiries Created by Josh Moore, Luke Chambers & James Ash All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced in whole or part without permission from the publisher. The views expressed in Frayed Magazine are those of the respective contributors and are not necessarily shared by Frayed and its staff. As we are concerned with the freedom of expression, the interviews presented in Frayed Magazine are documented as spoken. The opinions and perspectives do not necessarily reflect those of Frayed and aspects of the language used may be deemed inappropriate for younger readers.

Mark Page Inspiration: the process of being mentally stimulated to do or feel something, especially to do something creative. A definition that defines a man and his vision of a festival for the people. INTERVIEW & WORDS LUKE CHAMBERS PHOTOS & VIDEO JOSH MOORE

Before we get further into your life in Hull, it does seem from all the places you’ve been, all the different music you’ve immersed yourself in, that you’re quite an explorer. Do you think that’s true? I’m quite fidgety. I don’t like sitting still for long. I don’t stand still musically either. I sort of flip from one style to the other. Over the years I’ve done House Nights, Reggae Nights, Indie Nights and obviously over the last twelve years, I’ve tried to embrace all styles and genres. I’m open to all genres and nothing fazes me as far as music’s concerned. I’m always looking for the new sound. I’m not one of these who can hark back to my ten favourite albums of all time because my next favourite album is getting released next week and that’s how I’ve always been. I get bored real easily with music so I move on a lot. You get fidgety and you move on but you came to Hull and you made it your home. What was it about Hull that made you settle down?

So Mak, tell me a little bit about your background. Where did your journey start? My family are originally from the East End of London but they moved down to the suburbs following the war and then moved down to Torquay when i was probably one years old. So in my head I was born and bred down in Torquay. From an early age I had a feeling for music and art and everything creative. My brother was a Scooterboy and my sister was Northern Soul. I grew up listening to Northern Soul and Motown and then I sort of found my own feet in the late 70’s, early 80’s with the end of the punk explosion and the Two Tone label coming to fruition with the likes of The Specials and The Body Snatchers. That’s when I really found my feet and discovered music for myself. I started collecting vinyl at a very early age and I’ve sort of amassed a collection of around 30,000 vinyl now and I’m quite proud of that. Then, from around the age of twelve, I moved away from the guitar bands like The Jam and The Clash and all the Two Tone stuff and started getting into break dance! I was into all the electro stuff in the mid 80’s, all the street dance compilations and I even did a bit of break dancing which I doubt I could do now at my age! Then later on in the late 80’s, I got into rare groove, jazz funk and all the acid jazz stuff. Then The Happy Mondays started happening in Manchester so I started getting into a bit of the indie. After finishing college where I was doing sports, I decided to go abroad. I went over to Majorca and that’s when the house music kicked in so I had quite a few years with that. From there, I went to Corfu for a few years, travelled to America, The Caribbean, Thailand; I was just DJing in bars and clubs. Then finally, I came to Hull in the early 90’s. It was only to visit some friends but I got hooked! I got a job in Hull, got settled with my Mrs, got three kids and just ingrained myself within the creative roots of the city and it’s lead to what we’re doing here now - Humber Street Sesh!

Kids. Kids. Kids come along… unexpected it has to be said but they’ve made my world complete! Over the last nineteen years I’ve been very proud of my children. I’ve got three. I’ve got twins - Alice and Elliot and I’ve got Lucy who’s a year older than them two. I’m just very, very blessed to have my kids in my life and I’m with the mother of the twins - Debbie - and yeah, that’s what’s kept me in Hull to be fair. That and the people. I was fortunate enough to work in quite a notorious bar in the city centre called Bass House. It might not have been everyone’s favourite bar in the city but at the same time, it was the best bar for me to work in because it meant that I mixed with different circles and got into the city on a grassroots level with the people. I love the honesty and integrity of the people up here. I love the appreciation of the city from the public as well. No one is bigger than anyone else; everyone’s on the same level. It’s a very special city that I’ve just grown to love over the years and I can’t see myself moving. Well, I say I can’t see myself moving away but I’d love to go back abroad and retire on a beach someday but Hull’s a very special city and I love it dearly. My kids love it here and I want them to grow up in a city that they’re proud of. It’s clear from your family life and relationship with your kids that you’ve got a lot of time for the important people in your life. You’ve also always had a lot of time for every musician and band in the city. Do you think another part of the love for Hull and it’s music comes from your emotional investment in the bands and a desire to see them succeed? I’ve always taken people at face value and taught my kids the mantra that what you put in is what you get out and if you treat people with respect, you should get respect back. I’m also a firm believer in Karma; do a good deed and you’ll get a good deed done back. So nurturing bands and acts might just be part of my personality. I just try and get on with people. I don’t bow down to anyone and anything. I’m independent. I don’t get suited and booted for council meetings or anything regarding the festival malarkey. I am what I am.

Before we speak more about Humber Street Sesh, I know you’ve spent more than ten years putting on bands and artists every single week at The Sesh. How did that all start? I was DJing at The Linnet on Prinny Ave in the early 90’s and they were putting cover bands on. Awful cover bands. They were getting paid an absolute packet to play to like six people in the audience and it was just ridiculous. The thing is, I knew kids who were rehearsing in their bedrooms or in their garages and they weren’t getting a platform to perform. The only place that was really doing it was The Adelphi. Jacko at The Adelphi is an absolute legend in the city and long may he continue his great work. So, he was giving opportunities to young kids to perform with touring bands but I felt their was an opportunity for a showcase for young bands. They could come down, we’d give them a platform, do some promo, I’d host it in a radio style fashion, play their music and it just blossomed. For the first two or three years there was a rotation of twenty to thirty bands who were playing every month it seemed. I’ll name check some for you… bands like Sidewinder, Earnest, Raywells, The Paddingtons, Turismo, Favours, Diablo. All these bands were just on a rotation every month but then as time went on, we built up this community and now twelve years later we have over three hundred bands on the database which is incredible. It’s all original music as well from all genres.

So where does 2014 stand in the timeline of Hull music in relation to quality and community? Over the last two or three years, we’ve seen this vibrancy within the City of Hull. Well, creatively anyway. Of course, a lot of that is on the back of the bid for the City of Culture 2017, which will be a fantastic year for the city which we all fully support. Things will happen for Hull because of it but for me, it’s important that we have a legacy after 2017. It’s not just about that year. How do I see 2014 in the timeline of my twelve years running The Sesh? Well as I said, back in the day there were like twenty to thirty bands that were on a rotation but now we have this huge database of all genres being represented. It’s not as cohesive as it used to be in the early noughties as there were fewer bands and they all knew each other. But by putting on events such as Humber Street Sesh, The Hull Folk Festival, Trinity Music Festival and Springboard, we’re bringing the creative community together. I think people are now starting to believe that we are a special city and there’s a real buzz about the place. It’s great that we’re sat here at Thieving Harry’s on Hull Marina. It’s beautiful here. You can see the redevelopment starting to happen and as long as we keep it creative and organic down here, I think we’re onto a winner.

“Live everyday as if it’s your last. Today is the day you were worried about yesterday.” So how and when did you take that leap and create Humber Street Sesh? I’m a night bird so I stay up late most nights and ponder life as most people do. I knew that The Sesh was coming up to its tenth anniversary and I wanted to do something special. I didn’t just want to put on a handful of bands at The Linnet on a Tuesday night or even make a full day of it there. I felt like it deserved more recognition than that because it’s quite a challenge to keep that consistency and continuity every week. Over the past twelve years, we’ve had over one thousand bands play at The Sesh and that’s special. I’ve been involved with Freedom Festival over the years, be it comparing or programing stages. I just felt that at Freedom, as fantastic as it is, it didn’t quite represent the creative brilliance of Hull. So I thought The Sesh could take over Humber Street and we could use some of these warehouses and businesses down here and put on some great stages of live music and maybe get some other creatives involved like: artists, photographers and graffiti artists. In 2012 we decided to go for it so I went to see Dave Mayes at Fruit and I remember speaking to Ali at Thieving Harry’s. I showed her this rough little drawing. I said, ‘I’ve got this idea for a festival, what do you think?’ and she was like, ‘You’re mad, you’re absolutely nuts!’ So from speaking to Dave and involving people like Ali from Thieving Harry’s and Mike Wilkinson from ITSL, it’s really come together. As well as speaking to Stew Baxter who’s an absolute icon. Let me get it straight right now for the magazine! It’s so important that everyone backs Stew and especially Warren Records. If anyone can take the city forward musically, it’s Stewart Baxter. Getting these people on board and working together has been incredibly important. I’ve sort of lived by this cliché over the past two years that, “individually we’re all great at what we do but collectively, we’re awesome”. I think we proved that in 2012 with the first Humber Street Sesh. To do it again last year with forty thousand people coming to watch one hundred and sixty unsigned, under the radar bands and acts alongside all the art was just phenomenal and I think it’s pretty unique to the country. I’ve done a lot of research into festivals all across the country and I haven’t seen anything quite like what we’ve done with Humber Street Sesh so I’m quite proud of that. Proud of the creative brilliance the city possesses.

The festival is clearly incredibly important for the city and it’s music scene. What needs to happen to ensure the long-term future of Humber Street Sesh? It’s building on the trust we’ve developed over the past twelve years from working with all these bands and acts. I think people trust us now to put on good events, promote them and do it for the right reasons. It’s not a financial thing; it wasn’t the case of putting a festival on down here to make a quick buck. It never has been. But we’ve got to make it sustainable this year and we’ve got to make it feasible to run year on year whether it remains down Humber Street or it goes citywide. Could we turn it into a camping festival? I don’t know right now but we’ve got to make it sustainable. We’ve also got to put a value on the musicians, artists and the production team as well. Hand on heart, I can’t commit to this eight months of the year, year on year, without taking something from it because it does affect not just your work but more importantly, your family. Anyone that organises an event of this scale should be receiving some sort of income from it and that goes down to all the production team. Everyone deserves to be paid on the day. If we can put a little concession fee on of three pounds, which is absolute peanuts for what’s lined up then it should definitely become sustainable. If you could say anything to the people of Hull right now, what would it be? Believe. Just believe. Believe in yourself. Believe in the city and together we can be beautiful. I know it sounds cliché but honestly, individually there are so many great people in Hull. Not just musically but artistically as well. You know, people from behind the cameras to the graffiti artists to the street illustrators; all of these people are individually brilliant but collectively, when we all work together, we’re awesome! So all I’d say is just believe. We can do this! And if you could give a message to a younger Mark Page at the start of this journey, what would it be? Live everyday as if it’s your last. Today is the day you were worried about yesterday.




Tom Skelly

Tom Skelly’s outlook is simple. Give more than you take and love more than you hate. An antithesis of the mainstream yet often found on a main stage; Tom is a throwback to a time when music mattered most. I N T E RV I E W & W O R D S L U K E C H A M B E R S PHOTOS & VIDEO JOSH MOORE

We’re at the beach. Hornsea. Why here? This is my home ground. This is where I’m from. I’ve lived here all my life. The beach is a beautiful place. What about the surfing? Is that a big part of your life? Yeah, it’s become a bit of a bug that I can’t shake off. I’ve got a few friends that surf and they slowly introduced me to it and I really enjoy it. It’s the most peaceful place you can be for your mind to not think about anything else and just enjoy. Yeah, it’s good. So it frees your mind but is that something you need? I think everybody needs peace in their life don’t they? So I think everybody finds it in one aspect or another of something they enjoy. They do it because they get that release. Like sports. When there are big waves it’s good fun and you get beat hard. But yeah, it makes you feel alive. You’re riding off the earth’s energy. Not like a fisherman that takes from the sea but very rarely gives anything back. You’re being at one with it rather than taking something from it. Is giving back to the earth something that’s important to you? You should always give back. You can’t just take everything for free in life. With your music, I know a lot of that has been free to download. Is it more important to you for people to hear your music or for you to make money from your music? It’s just important for me if people enjoy it. That there’s something someone can relate to and they enjoy it. I never started doing it for… well, I never did it with the intention of ever playing it to anybody.

How did you go from not intending to play your music to anybody to becoming a hugely respected musician playing gigs all over the country? It’s Mr Hull. Stew Baxter! I was just volunteering at The Warren as I’d lost my job and I’d always wanted to do some kind of volunteering. I went there when I was 15; this was when the Cliques played their first show there. I just went and was cleaning up and didn’t tell Stew that I had written any music or anything. I’d put some songs up on Soundcloud but just thought, ‘Oh, I wonder if anybody will like it?’. Somehow he found it and that was pretty much it. He was just like, ‘Why didn’t you tell me?’. He just said, ‘Right, you’re coming into the studio and we’re gonna record you and book you some gigs!’. And you know, since then, it’s been a great journey and I don’t regret any of it. As someone who just put it on Soundcloud to see if anyone stumbled across it, how did you find being launched into the independent music scene? Erm, well I think when I look back now it definitely made me grow as a person as I was very introverted and crap with meeting new people. Unless I knew somebody, I was very reserved. Whereas now, I just enjoy meeting people; that’s what I get out of music. All the people you meet and all the places you get to go. Yeah, it’s just nice.

As someone who enjoys the freedom and doing things on your own terms, do you find it difficult to work to deadlines and other people’s expectations? No, because I just do it my way. I’ll only do something if… I wouldn’t ever change if somebody said, ‘I want you to be like this!’ or, ‘I want you to be like that!’. At the end of the day, music’s music and if people like it, they like it and if they don’t, they don’t. I think sometimes people search too much to find fame and fortune so they’ll quite happily do anything to get it. If they want that, that’s fine. It’s just not my values. So what are you looking for then? In life, what would make you happiest? Erm, I don’t really know. It’s probably the hardest thing to answer and I don’t think I officially know what I want in life because you’re constantly changing and growing and you want different sh*t. Well, what did Tom Skelly of five years ago want?

You’re incredibly respected for your songwriting. Where does that creativity come from? Well, I just… for me, writing was a way for me to get stuff out my head. I wasn’t very good at sharing personal thoughts. It was a way of getting rid of the darker sh*t in my head instead letting it sit and swirl around. The only reason I ever started writing songs was for a personal release of… sh*t! So both surfing and songwriting are a release for you. Do you think they both allow you to be a better person? Yeah, yeah… I think especially with all the other people you meet that you learn from. I think it makes you a much better person. With the music, I haven’t been keeping tabs on how long I’ve been doing it but it’s been going really fast. But yeah, I think the most important thing for me is that I’ve got one of the best friendships I’ve ever had with Stew Baxter out of it. I think one of the best things you can have are strong friendships.

Not alot. Just quite a mess. I mean five years ago I was a completely And what have you learnt from Stew Baxter? different person. Music kind of sorted me out. I just channeled everything into it. I hadn’t done music for a long time. I just got fed up of a mundane Everything really. He’s just kind of… definitely taught me how to be a positive person and have a more positive outlook on stuff. I’ve never met f*cking job and not doing anything creative. anyone so positive; he’ll turn something or any situation into something Do you see surfing as a creative outlet for you? really beautiful. There’s not a lot of people who can do that and if I can be half the man that he is, that would make very happy. He constantly I don’t know. I guess in some aspects it’s creative. I wouldn’t even say gives and gives for everybody in the city and doesn’t ever expect it’s a hobby. I think it becomes more a way of life. Sometimes you’re anything in return for it. Not many people can give that kind of energy up at like five in the morning. Even in winter when it’s freezing. It’s without expecting something back. probably the best way to start the day and have the best outlook and be ready. If you’ve got a sh*t day and it’s gonna throw something sh*t at you, you’re ready and prepared for it.

You clearly write music for yourself but it’s still for an audience. So what do you want people to get from your music? If somebody can listen and relate to my music and it helps them with issues then… well it’s helped me so if it can help someone else then that’s even better. Is there anyone you’ve listened to over the years who has inspired you to make music this way? No because I don’t and I never have looked at somebody and said, ‘I wanna be like that!’. It’s only since I’ve started playing that people have said, ‘Oh, I think you sound like this.’ or, ‘I think you sound like that!’. I suppose all musicians take inspiration without even knowing it but I think you should just focus on doing something you want to do and not try and sound like somebody else. That’s the thing with being categorised in the singer songwriter bracket. You kind of all get branded in the same way. That you’re very kind of showmanshippy and all, ‘Hey, look at me!’ but I don’t really like that. Is there anything else that particularly bothers you about the current state of the music industry? Well, I think from my point of view, the music industry is pretty f*cked. Just do it yourself. You don’t have to rely on other people. I went to music college for like six months and I was surrounded by people who wanted to be like Pete Doherty. Play three chords on a guitar and get famous. You need to get f*cking real. Just play it because you enjoy it and if you do get any success, it will come when it’s ready. If you do get into music that with the mindset of, ‘I wanna be big and famous!’ then, I don’t know... it’s hard because these are my views and I don’t have a

problem with other people if that’s what they want. I just think too many people think, ‘I’ll just do this and I’m gonna be famous!’. People watch on TV all this sh*t. Come sing on this program and we’ll make you a star and then they just crush people don’t they? It’s wrong to do that to people. The amount of confidence it must take for somebody to sing on that stage and then they’re just told, ‘No, you’re sh*t!’. Why don’t you have a little feeling for somebody? That’s taken a lot of balls. The music industry, they don’t care. They don’t care about your personal feelings; they only want to make money off you. For me, the music industry should be about putting out good music. There are a lot of independent labels out there that put out a lot of good records but they probably don’t make any money. So if we were back here sitting on the beach in fifty years time, would you have liked to have happened in your life? I just want to travel really. See the world. Life’s short innit? So just make it the best experience you can without having money worries. I think for me, I just want to experience as much as I can. Have the best times rather than worrying about having the best house or the nicest car. I’m not a materialistic person and I think the best thing in life is to be peaceful. Be desireless and anything that comes with that is a bonus.


Paul Regan

Paul Regan considers himself lucky. Lucky to have taken two loves and turn them into a life. But be it in the sun drenched home of skating or in the sweat soaked ring, luck has had very little to do with his success.


So, let’s start by letting everyone know who you are and what you do… Firstly, my name’s Paul Regan, I’m 26 - just turned - been skateboarding for around thirteen years and I’ve been kickboxing for about six. When I was younger, I did karate before I started skating. I started skating at about twelve years old; maybe two months before my thirteenth birthday. I did karate when I was about eight years old. I’ve always been interested in Van Damme films and Rocky films. They were my heroes growing up. So I did that first and played football and just regular stuff. Then I started skating at twelve and I’ve done that since really. So karate was your original interest but what was it about skating that grabbed your attention? I don’t know really. My friend had a skateboard and he had the Tony Hawk game at the time and we got hooked on that. I thought, ‘I wanna have a go myself!’. I started skating and it just sort of stuck. That’s it. Had a go one day and it’s stuck since. Was it something that you were good at straight away or did it take time? I wouldn’t say I had a natural ability. You’ve got to work at everything haven’t you? I would say I picked it up quite quickly and I skated quite a lot every day straight after school; I was skating for five hours until like nine or ten o’clock every night. At that point, you’re doing it every day and it becomes your obsession but did you ever see a future in it? It was just something I liked doing to begin with. I got sponsored when I was eighteen and even then, I never thought I could go anywhere with it. Just that it was cool getting free stuff and a couple of photos in a magazine. It wasn’t until just recently, from about twenty three onwards that I’ve started making a career out of it. I run my own skate school now where I teach kids skating and keep them fit and healthy like a P.E lesson. With my skating, I’ve started traveling to Los Angeles and I’ve been doing stuff out there. If you’re gonna make it doing this, you’ve got to get out there. It’s still a hobby and something I love to do but whilst I’m young I just thought, ‘Let’s give it

a go and see where I can go with it.’. So how does something go from being a hobby to becoming your life? I never really planned on it to be like that. It just sort of happened and I guess I’m very lucky and I appreciate it. It’s always going to be a hobby, even if I wasn’t sponsored or didn’t teach it. I’d still go out with my mates and do it. Just like my kickboxing; it’s still a hobby but I’ve been given opportunities from that hobby and I just try and take each day as it comes really. You travel around the world skating but you’re based in Hull. What’s the Hull scene like? The Hull scene. It’s hard to say now as it’s changed as I’ve grown up. When I was fifteen and sixteen, to me that was the best time but then it just started going downhill and everyone started doing their own thing: branching off, getting girlfriends, drinking. Stuff like that. Every weekend, every Saturday and Sunday we’d come to The Marina. This spot right here actually and it was packed with skaters. Twenty or thirty and maybe more. We used to just skate around the city all day and I’ve still got that love for being here for that reason. I guess that’s why I picked The Marina do to the interview. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still strong and there’s a lot of skaters but they just don’t do it as much. So with skateboarding taking up so much of your time, how did you get into kickboxing and do you see any similarities between the two? The kickboxing came about because I’ve always been interested in boxing and kickboxing. Then my friend Mike Foreman, who’s also a skater and trains at The Fight Ministry said I should go down

and train with them. So I did in 2009 and I’ve just been hooked on that since. So that’s how that started. I train twice, three times a week. You know, kickboxing sessions on a night. So say tonight, I’ll train from six until seven thirty and then go running afterwards until eight. Then I’ve got my gym days and inbetween that I just skate. Skating’s taken you to L.A and all around the world but what opportunities has kick boxing given you? The kickboxing, I started competing three years ago and since then I’ve become the Northern Area British Champion for K1. K1 is more of an aggressive style of kickboxing based on more than just points. So I’m the Area Champion for that at Light Middleweight and I’ve got to defend that in July where I’m looking to unify the Area Titles for the ICO, ISK and IFK to become the full Area Champion. Then I’ll look at getting the English Title and full British Title. The opportunity to unify the Area Titles came about because I had a bout in Hull last November and basically the World Full Contact Kickboxing Champion, Nick Crossland was there refereeing the match. He saw me fighting and basically sorted me out a title shot from that. Now he’s asked me if I want to represent England in the Unified World Championships in October so I’ve got that to look forward to as well. That’s an extremely impressive list of achievements from your time so far in the kickboxing world. What have your proudest moments on a skateboard been? With the skating, I’ve been lucky enough to get

sponsors who have sent me around the world. See new places. I’ve done interviews with different magazines and had the opportunity to film video parts for my different sponsors. I’ve done competitions and stuff but I’m not really into it. I’d rather go out skating with my friends, maybe shoot a photo or film a video part and get some clips. Just through skating, I’ve got these sponsors and I’ve been lucky enough to be sent to these different places for free and I don’t take it for granted at all. My current sponsors are, Fabric Skateboards, Lakai Footwear, Levi’s Clothing, Destructo Trucks, Bones Wheens and Native Skatestore, How does it feel to have these major companies backing you? It’s great to know people want to support you but I definitely give a lot back so I feel like I’ve earnt it and deserve what I get. You get what you give and you give what you get in life. Even though they are obviously very different, there are clearly risks involved with skateboarding and kickboxing. What different feelings do you get from them both? The kickboxing, you have a six to eight week training camp where you’re doing all your training and you know you have a bout lined up. The closer it gets, the more anxious you get about it and about five minutes before the fight is when you’re at your worst. But then, when you get in the ring, you’re fine. Absolutely fine. Well, maybe the first round your nerves are still running high but then you calm down and the training kicks in. With skateboarding, it depends on the moment. If you’re skating around, playing games of S.K.A.T.E with your mates, it’s chill but if you’re trying to do a trick down a set of stairs and you’ve been trying to do it for half an hour then the metal side of it kicks in. If it’s a big set of stairs, you’re scared and I’ve said to myself so many times, ‘I’d rather be in the ring than jump down this!’. That scares me more than getting punched in the face or whatever.

Both sports must give you such a rush when you’re successful. Do you think you could live without it? I definitely wouldn’t be able to live my life without skateboarding or kickboxing. I haven’t trained properly for five weeks because I’ve been out skating in L.A but I’m really missing it and I can’t wait to go back tonight. It’s just the same if I don’t skate for three or four days. I need to go skating, whether it’s going to the skatepark on my own or calling some friends up. I have to do it. If I haven’t skated for three days, I just want to go out more for myself than anything because the love’s still there. If you love it, you do it. So how did the opportunity come about that allowed you to take something you love to L.A? I’ve travelled all over with skating; it’s just part of it. Just discovering new places and new adventures. I’ve skated around England since I started, then I got the opportunities to do it around Europe but then I wanted a change. I wanted to do something new. I’d never been to America and I wanted to see what it was about. It was my third trip out there last week and I try and go out there every six to eight months. Just live out there and try and get some stuff done. Yeah, it’s a different world completely and they take it really seriously because you can make a career out of it. I don’t go out there with the intention of making something of it though. I go out there because I skateboard I want to see where it’s from. I’m curious about where it’s from and I want to progress in different cities and countries and I do. I progress, learn and get better.

You go to new spots and learn a new trick or you think of tricks you’ve done and take them to a different place on the other side of the world. This time, when I went out there, I was finishing off some filming for The Berrics, which is a really well know skatepark. I’ve got an article coming out with them later this year. It was just great meeting up with my sponsors Stateside and the people behind the companies. And having fun. If you were to pinpoint three qualities you have that have allowed you to be successful in both the skateboarding and kickboxing world, what would they be? You’ve got to have a love for it. I’ve definitely got a love for skateboarding and kickboxing. Hard work. I don’t see either as hard work because I enjoy them both but you’ve got to put a lot of time in. I definitely skate a lot and I train a lot. Like anything, if you want something in life, you’ve got to put the work and effort in. From an outsider’s perspective, it seems you have to be pretty fearless to do what you do. Would you agree with that? It is nerve wracking doing what I do: jumping in a ring and getting hit, jumping down stairs and travelling to new places in the world that I don’t know. If you don’t try, you’ll never know though. I guess I live by the quote, “Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore.”, which I guess kind of puts my life into perspective.


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