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Forget  Good Winter   2013/14   Issue  14

featuring Vincent Como, Patrick Segura, Tonja Torgerson, Grin City Collective, et al.


Chyrum Lambert, 4 Noah Furman, 8 Callum Green, 14 Ashely Peifer, 18 Pablo Cots, 24 Isauro Huizar, 30


Grin City Collective, 34 Tonja Torgerson, 46 Patrick Segura, 54 Vincent Como, 64


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Chyrum

 I  Was  Born  At   Thirty-­Three  (Self-­ Portrait,  A  Still  Life,   And  Souvenir)

Lambert


What  is  the  best  thing  to   eat  while  watching  T.V.?

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Spider  In  The   Gunbox

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How  important  is  process  to  your  work?

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 I  Was  Planning  On   Calling  Home  #4   (Travel  Specials)


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Noah

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Furman


What  is  the  best  thing  to  eat  while  watching  T.V.?

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Pine  Punk


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Miasma  Mandala

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Callum

Green

Wall  Cages  (Blue/ Pink,  Pink/Yellow)


Where  do  you  live   and  what  is  the   art  community  like   there?

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16 How  do  you  explain  your  work  to  your  parents?

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 Little  One

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Blinky

Ashely Peifer


Where  do  you  live  and  what  is  the  art  community  like   there?

,PRYHGWR0LQQHDSROLVWZR\HDUVDJRIRUJUDGVFKRRODQG the art community is really great so far. Is  your  work  inherently  a  self-­portrait?

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Hey  Dude


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Kraftmac


Moonbugs


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Pony  Club  II


How  do  you  explain  your  work  to  your  parents?

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Do  you  have  any  advice  for  other  artists?

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Pablo

COMPOSITION   OF  PAINTINGS   AND  OBJECTS   @  APONIA  ART   CENTER

Cots


Are  there  resources  you  wish  were  more  available  to   artists?

By "resources" you mean money? "girls love Monet" ! The most motivating thing for me is not money but interesting projects to come, still having something on the horizon. 7KHVHGD\V, PZRUNLQJIRU WKH&HQWUH3RPSLGRX PDLQ LPSRUWDQWPRGHUQ FRQWHPSRUDU\PXVHXPLQ3DULV  GRLQJDIXQERRNIRUWHHQDJHUVDERXWDUWLVWOLIHDQGDIHZ WLPHV, PGRLQJDZRUNVKRSLQ the museum about it. Souhaites-­tu  que  les  artistes   aient  plus  de  ressources?

Ce qui me motive le plus, ce nâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;est pas le gain, mais les projets intĂŠressants, et toujoXUVDYRLUGHVSURMHWVjO¡KRULzon. Comme en ce moment, MHSUpSDUHXQHpGLWLRQSRXUOH &HQWUH3RPSLGRXXQFDKLHU G¡DFWLYLWpVSRXUDGROHVFHQWV HWjO¡RFFDVLRQGHODVRUWLHMH IHUDLXQZRUNVKRSSXLVXQVHFRQGGDQVXQFHQWUHG¡DUWSDULVLHQPDLVDYHFXQWKqPHGLIIpUHQW What  is  the  best  thing  someone  has  said  about  your  work?

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BAB  EL  OUED

Quel  est  la  plus  belle  chose  que  quelquâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;un  ait  dit  sur  ton   travail?

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Is  art  making  a  secretive  practice?

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Je ne pense pas au spectateur, je fais juste ce que je ressens, ce TXLPHGRQQH envie ou qui me fait rire. Si tu travailles en fonction GHFHTXHGLUD le spectateur, ce nâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;est plus un travail personnel, ça se UDSSURFKHGH lâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;artisanat

HELTER  SKELTER


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INSTALLATION   @  APONIA  ART   CENTER


Have  you  ever  been  somewhere  haunted?

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COMPOSITION   OF  METALLIC   LETTERS  @   APONIA  ART   CENTER


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 Presente  Nativo

Isauro

Huizar


Are  there  resources  you  wish  were  more  available  to   artists?

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Presente  Nativo

What  is  the  best  thing  someone  has  said  about  your  work?

Is it art? ¿Cuål  es  la  mejor  cosa  que  alguien  ha   dicho  de  tu  trabajo?

¢(VDUWH" Is  art  making  a  secretive  practice?

Presente  Nativo

I am not sure that if it is a secretive practice. I like to think that the creative act LVDPRPHQWRILQGLYLGXDOIXOĂ&#x20AC;OOPHQWDV ZHOODVWKHPRPHQWZKHQWKHVSHFWDWRU experiences the moment of art. ,WLVVRPHWKLQJWKDW\RXFDQVKDUHZLWKDQRWKHUSHUVRQRU


many people, but its nature belongs to intimacy. ¿Hacer  arte  es  una  pråctica  secreta?  

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No ¿Has  estado  en   algún  lugar  encan-­ tado  embrujado?

No

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Grin City Collective  is   a  320-­acre  rural  sanctu-­ ary  for  artists  and  volun-­ teers  who   are  passion-­ ate  about   art,  food,   sustain-­ able  prac-­ tices,  and   communi-­ ty.  With  the   ¿QHVVHRIDPRG-­ ern,  forward-­thinking  


organization  you  might   expect  to  see  in  a  big  city   and  the  space,  charm,   and   quiet   only  the   coun-­ try  can   offer,   Grinnell   is  push-­ ing   the  boundaries  in  which   critical  thought  and  art  

Blue  Barn  used   for  garden  supply   storage  and  perfor-­ mance  space


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practice  can  exist.  Grin   City  offers  residencies   in  the   spring   and  fall   with  an   emerg-­ ing  artist   residen-­ cy  pro-­ gram  in   the  summer.  The  2014   spring  residency  dead-­ line  has  passed,  but  you  


can  visit  their  website  for   the  2014  summer  emerg-­ ing  artist   and  fall   residency   applica-­ tion  and   deadline.

By Stephanie Preston

Newly  renovated   artist  studio  located   in  the  brick  barn.


38 Set  the  scene  for  our  readers,  what  is  it  like  to  step  into   Grin  City?

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42 With  such  a  rural  location,  how  do  you  stay  connected  to   the  arts  community  at  large?

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When  reviewing  artists  for  your  residency  program,  what   are  the  most  important  features  you  look  for?

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Patrick Segura,  born   Hey

1987  in  New  Iberia,   Louisiana,  is  a  cur-­ rent  Graduate   Candidate  at   the  School  of   the  Art  Institute   of  Chicago.   He  received   his  Bachelor   of  Fine  Arts   Degree  with  an  em-­ phasis  in  painting   at  the  University  


of  Louisiana  at   Lafayette.  We  had  a   FKDQFHWRWDONVSHFL¿-­ cally  about   the  Master   of  Fine  Arts   in  Studio   through  the   Department   of  Fiber  and   Material   Studies  program.  

By Kylie Gava


56 Previously  you  were  in  Louisiana-­-­How  are  you  enjoy-­ LQJ&KLFDJR"'R\RX¿QGWKHWZRDUWFRPPXQLWLHVWREH comparable?

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58 Do  you  feel  you  receive  enough  support  from  faculty?

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72 because  of  this.  Paradise  Lost  especially  reminds  me  of   this  softness-­-­probably  because  of  the  wax.  The  build-­up  of   the  wax  is  truly  beautiful.

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78 conquer  or  always  rise  above.  No  matter  what  you  cannot   put  down  your  sword  because  then  you  lose."  Do  you  agree   with  this  statement?  How  does  it  relate  to  your  art  practice?

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