no egotism, you see, that is why. If you come to a non-egotist, your pride flees away. Just see, what a great person Vidyasagar Mahashay is! What modesty and humility he showed to him. The Paramahansa Deva went to see him. It was 9 p.m. when Thakur said goodbye to him in his Badurbagan house. Vidyasagar himself showed him the way with a light in his hand from the library room till Thakur sat in the carriage. And he kept standing there with folded hands till the carriage left. The Doctor — Well, what does Vidyasagar think of him? M. — That day he met him with great devotion. Even so, we have felt from his talk that he does not like what the Vaishnavas call bhava - just like you think. The Doctor — I don’t like folding hands, or touching somebody’s feet with one’s head. There is no difference between the head and the foot. Yet if one considers feet as something different, one may do so. M. — You do not like bhava or anything like that. The Paramahansa sometimes calls you ‘gambhir atman’ (a deep soul). Perhaps you remember this. Yesterday he told you that when an elephant goes into a small pond its water shakes violently. But when it goes into a lake, its water shows no movement. When the elephant of bhava enters into a gambhir atman, it cannot affect him in any way. He says that you are a gambhir atman. The Doctor — I don’t deserve the compliment. What is bhava? It is a feeling, bhakti. And then there are other feelings too. When they are deep some can suppress them, others cannot. M. — Some can give an explanation in one way or the other and the others cannot. But sir, bhava or bhakti is something different, something unique. I have seen in your library Stebbing’s book on ‘Darwinism’. Stebbing says, whether the human mind is the result of evolution or God Himself has created him sitting aside, it is equally wonderful. He has illustrated it with the theory of light. Whether you know the undulatory theory of light or not, light in either case is equally wonderful. The Doctor — Yes. And did you see that Stebbing accepts ‘Darwinism’ as well as God? They again talk of the Paramahansa Deva.
The Doctor — I see that he (the Paramahansa Deva) is a worshipper of Kali. M. — He means something different for Kali. He who is described as Param Brahman (the Supreme Brahman) in the Vedas, he calls Him Kali. Whom the Mohammedans call Allah, the Christians as God, he calls Him Kali. He does not see many Gods - he sees only One. Whom the ancient knowers of the Absolute called Brahman, whom the yogis call Atman, or the bhaktas call Bhagavan, Him the Paramahansa Deva calls Kali. “We have heard this from him. A person had a tub of colour. Anybody who wanted his cloth to be dyed would go to him. He would ask which colour the fellow wanted. If the latter said green colour, he would dip the cloth in the tub and return it to him, saying, ‘Here is your cloth dyed green.’ If anybody asked him for red colour, he would dye his cloth in the same tub and say, ‘Here is your cloth dyed red.’ He would dye the cloth green, blue, yellow - all colours in the same tub. Seeing this amazing affair a person said to him, ‘Babu, do you know which colour I want? Please give me the colour in which you yourself are dyed.’ It is the same with the Paramahansa Deva - he has all the bhavas in him. People of all religions gain peace and joy from him. Who can comprehend what is his bhava or what deep state he is in?” The Doctor — All things to all men! This too is not right although Saint Paul says it.