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Media Matters: The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses to

 

October 01, 2010 4:18 pm ET

It must be nice to work for Rupert Murdoch. Every so often, the News Corp. CEO is questioned about Fox News' programming. His responses reveal that he either does not watch his own network and is therefore clueless about his flagship news property, or he instead chooses to play dumb about his network's role in poisoning the national discourse. Yesterday, while testifying before a House subcommittee hearing, Murdoch spoke in favor of comprehensive immigration reform. Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) expressed support for Murdoch's proposal, but noted that she was "oftentimes stunned" by the anti-immigrant rhetoric on Fox News. Murdoch responded by saying that "we are home to all views on Fox," and that "we are not antiimmigrant on Fox News." Of course, Fox News is a hotbed of anti-immigrant rhetoric. Not only do hosts and guests regularly distort the threat posed by illegal immigration and fight against rights already held by immigrants, but their coverage of the issue sometimes veers into thinly-veiled "white people are under attack!" xenophobia. For example, in May of 2007, Bill O'Reilly, Fox News' top-rated host, fearmongered that the "unintended consequences" of immigration reform was that it would make America less white. On an April, 2006, edition of his syndicated radio show, O'Reilly suggested that the "hidden agenda" of the immigrant rights movement was to bring about the "browning of America." In 2006, former Fox host John Gibson exhorted white viewers to do "your duty" and "make more babies" in response to population growth by minorities.

Ben Dimiero

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Though Murdoch proudly proclaimed that Fox is "home to all views" on immigration, this welcoming mentality apparently includes mainstreaming anti-immigrant groups like the American Immigration Control Foundation, which has been classified as a "hate group" by the Anti-Defamation League. And while Murdoch mocked the idea of "expelling 11 or 12 million people" as "nonsense," Fox host David Asman - while filling in for Neil Cavuto in April of 2006 - suggested that it may have been "the perfect time to round up" illegal immigrants and "ship them out." To top it all off, Fox News has recently begun hosting disgraced former CNN host Lou Dobbs to repeatedly mislead on immigration issues, despite his long history of making incendiary and false claims about the topic. But they "are not anti-immigrant on Fox." Right.  Murdoch's obliviousness - feigned or not - when it comes to Fox News' coverage of immigration follows a clear pattern. On the subject of climate change, Murdoch has aligned himself with the vast majority of climate scientists and stated unequivocally that "climate change poses clear, catastrophic threats." In 2007, Murdoch announced an initiative to make News Corp. carbon neutral in an attempt to "set an example" and inspire their "audiences" to fight climate change. While News Corp.'s initiative is commendable, its potential benefits and ability to "set an example" are undermined by Fox News' ongoing war on climate science and climate scientists. Fox hosts and personalities regularly mock

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climate change and any efforts to combat it. A perfect example of how Fox News fails to "set an example" came during Earth Day this year. Rather than spend the day promoting environmentalism and conservation, Fox & Friends marked the occasion by rehashing smears of climate scientists with noted climatologist L. Brent Bozell. Murdoch was right when he said that the carbon footprint of News Corp.'s audience is "10,000 times bigger than" the company's, which is why the benefits of his company's attempt to become carbon neutral pale in comparison to the damage done by the network's ongoing war on climate science. In fact, Murdoch's admission that he agrees with the "99 percent of scientists" on climate change makes him part of the "climate change cult," according to Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin. Murdoch has also frequently promoted the phony distinction between Fox's news and opinion programming. Last year, Murdoch implied that Your World with Neil Cavuto and Fox & Friends (among others) are Fox shows that don't traffic in "commentary." This was false at the time - Fox News executives have included those shows as part of its "opinion" lineup -- and has become even more so as the network has continued its trip down the rabbit hole. Â Neil Cavuto is the network's Senior Vice President of Business News, which, according to Fox, means he "oversees all business coverage for FNC" and "directs content and business news coverage for the FOX Business Network." If we are supposed to view Cavuto as some sort of business journalist, then he likely holds the distinction of being the only business journalist in the country with his own "Campaign Platform." This week, Cavuto unveiled his "2010 Campaign Platform," which consisted of right-wing proposals like "No Tax Hikes On Anyone For Any Reason" and "A 10 Percent Across-The-Board Cut In Every Gov't Program." In addition to having a "Campaign Platform," Cavuto regularly promotes falsehoods that benefit the GOP and Tea Party at the expense of progressives and Democrats. Murdoch's confusion about Fox & Friends' programming may be slightly more understandable. After all, Steve Doocy and Co. put on a show for their boss when he visited earlier this year, significantly toning down their usual rhetoric about immigration during his appearance, only to return to their usual antics as soon as he left the show. Of course, the idea that Fox & Friends does not do "commentary" is a farce. Not only does the show spend three hours every morning misinforming their viewers about a wide range of issues, they have recently become the de facto launching pad for GOP general election campaigns. Which brings us to Murdoch's most infamous "see no evil" moment. In April, Media Matters VP Ari Rabin-Havt questioned Murdoch about Fox's promotion of the Tea Party. Murdoch responded that Fox News shouldn't be "supporting the Tea Party or any other party." He added, "I'd like to investigate what you are saying before I condemn anyone." Almost six months later, we're still waiting to hear back. As we detailed at the time, Fox's promotion of the Tea Party was beyond question - the network had aggressively encouraged viewers to attend tea parties, and even hosted several "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties" starring leading Fox personalities like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. In the intervening months, Fox's Tea Party boosterism has continued unabated. Notably, in the past few weeks, Fox has gone all-in supporting Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell. In addition to giving her a safe haven from being inconvenienced by exposure to actual journalism, numerous hosts on the network have misleadingly claimed that her opponent has labeled himself a "bearded Marxist." And what about that "other party" -- the GOP -- that Fox News shouldn't be "supporting," according to their boss? Well, in addition to lavishing coverage on the GOP's legislative agenda, Fox News hosts and personalities have raised millions of dollars for the GOP, supported GOP candidates with almost uniformly positive coverage, and, as always, spent every day smearing Democrats and progressives with blatant falsehoods. In April, we argued that Fox News had basically become an arm of the GOP. It seems we may have had that backwards. At this point, the GOP is basically just an arm of Fox News. As we detailed in a report this week, Fox News employs no less than five potential 2012 GOP presidential candidates. The Fox candidates have appeared on the network at least 269 times, appearances a GOP strategist reportedly called an "in-kind contribution."

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Murdoch's network actually goes beyond just giving "in-kind contributions" to the GOP. Recently, they've discarded that relative subtlety and started spending boatloads of money in the hopes of helping to elect GOP candidates this fall. Earlier this summer, News. Corp donated an unprecedented $1 million to the Republican Governors Association with the express purpose of supporting the "RGA's pro-business agenda." Last night, Politico's Ben Smith reported that News. Corp also donated $1 million to the GOP-aligned Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber has reportedly devoted millions of dollars this cycle to running political ads on behalf of Republican Senate candidates. Fox News' political activism is becoming more and more brazen. Unfortunately the network is enabled by the rest of the media's reluctance to call them out on their behavior. At this point, it is clear that the CEO of News. Corp has no plans to act responsibly, so it is up to the press to hold Fox News accountable. Fox News makes a mockery of the idea of journalism, and it's time for media outlets that actually care about the craft to speak out and say so. This weekly wrap-up was compiled by Ben Dimiero, a research fellow at Media Matters for America.

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by peebs755 (October 01, 2010 4:36 pm ET)

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It's maddening how the rest of the media lets these jokers get away with all their bulldung without calling them out. REPLY

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by TeaPartyPatriots (October 01, 2010 7:33 pm ET)

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I will be writing a reply to this post in depth tonight for your amusement! See you soon! Hope to get plent of Down Thunbs! REPLY

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by TeaPartyPatriots (October 01, 2010 7:39 pm ET)

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by nahummer (October 02, 2010 8:32 am ET)

The surprise isn't that you know how to spell thumbs it's that you've managed to evolve to the point where you have opposable digits to hit the space bar. Faux News has allowed you to live in a bubble of lies for far too long, please try to turn off the TV and get out and see a bit more of the world. In Case You Missed It REPLY

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by Invent a Scandal (October 01, 2010 7:49 pm ET)

Try to keep your misspellings to under 50. REPLY

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If I wanted to listen to an idiot, I'd just turn on Fox and expend a lot less effort in the process. As amusing as your attempt at propaganda is sure to be, you are still only an ametuer. That and if you stick to the topic at hand for more than two sentences I'll set my hair on fire. --------------------------------------So I'll pass, thank you. REPLY

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by wookie (October 01, 2010 4:49 pm ET)

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The rest of the press is mostly Fox lite. And Fox has created the mindset that any objection to their shrill overkill is killing a free press. REPLY

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by TeaPartyPatriots (October 01, 2010 4:54 pm ET)

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Man...seems like this guy is just angry. Did fox news refuse your application? REPLY

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by cst (October 01, 2010 5:56 pm ET)

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Care to actually prove him wrong, TPP? His facts are solid and documented.Your childish allegation is not. REPLY

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by CoolSlaw (October 01, 2010 6:51 pm ET)

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I seriously doubt TPP even read the editorial before lobbing that Troll grenade. REPLY

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by TeaPartyPatriots (October 01, 2010 7:17 pm ET)

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Yea i read it...i don't get paid by Hillary and George to sit around all day dissecting news coverage of one channel. But maybe one day i can be so elite. I'll keep praying after my bus ride to the rally tomorrow! REPLY

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by Invent a Scandal (October 01, 2010 7:51 pm ET)

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Don't forget your tinfoil hat. REPLY

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by n'est-ce pas (October 01, 2010 8:36 pm ET)

No, you're never going to be "elite." That would imply some measure of talent and intellectual acumen. You were not endowed with either. You're a dunce whose posts continually pop up like rancid mushrooms, fungus that grows only in the dark and in bullsh!t. You couldn't exist if the light were flung into the dark corners of the Internet that

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by keetonmm (October 03, 2010 4:52 pm ET)

If that's how an elitist is expected to speak to another individual, regardless of differing opinions or political affiliations, then TPP would be wise to avoid the achievement of such status. I know I will. P.S. If you want to sell yourself as one possessing a well-developed vocabulary, you should probably learn a few of them big fancy words, so you may actually fool someone into believing you are intelligent. Just saying. REPLY

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by kamrom (October 02, 2010 6:20 pm ET)

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Nope, you waste time all day by trolling a forum with intentional jackassery. All this does is make us dislike you idiots even more. Also, TeaPartyPatriots is a coward. Patriots shouldnt be coward. Maybe before you go attacking people again, you actually answer questions given to you. Cause you look like a moron who only encourages more of us to vote, so jerks like you dont get elected. REPLY

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by eb (October 02, 2010 6:28 pm ET)

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He/she avoids discussing the article. Afraid to deal with any counter narrative... REPLY

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by sara1442 (October 01, 2010 6:15 pm ET)

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Wow, the author used Rupert's comment about Fox not being anti-immigrant to expound upon the stale argument that Fox leans right. Sure they do, but if everyone else didn't lean left they probably wouldn't feel so obliged. As for Rupert's comment, there is a difference between immigration and illegal immigration. What he said was factual, why would fox be anti-immigration. Everyone with a stitch of logic in their brain should be anti-immigration. Illegal immigration is a felony in this country last I checked. I know people have compelling reasons, but it is still a crime. So, is Fox anti-illegal immigration, absolutely. So am I. REPLY

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by blk-in-alabam (October 01, 2010 6:43 pm ET)

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Sara Palin??? REPLY

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by CoolSlaw (October 01, 2010 7:02 pm ET)

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I'm all for enforcing immigration law too, and generally do not support amnesty or other "fastrack" programs for undocumented workers. Here's the key difference: Fox news wants to blame the immigrants for this problem completely, and scare their audience with sensational exaggerations. They seek to demonize all Mexican immigrants, legal or undocumented. Never will they address the underlying problems causing this situation. Never will Fox ever go after

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Media Matters: The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses to | Media Matters for America the large businesses that are employing hundreds and thousands of undocumented workers and in the process, suppressing the wages of American working class people. Granted, there will always be those who seek to come across the border and find some measure of relief and opportunity from the grinding poverty of the corrupt Mexican Government. If we didn't turn a convenient blind eye to the many large scale employers of undocumented and illegal immigrants, we would have a much smaller problem that law enforcement could get a handle on. You see, Fox is working both sides of the fence here...create hysteria and fear to keep the undocumented workers and their wages repressed, while at the same time, politicking for the interests of the big businesses that illegally hire them and drive down wages for working class Americans.

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by TeaPartyPatriots (October 01, 2010 7:20 pm ET)

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"You see, Fox is working both sides of the fence here" - Thats called fair and balanced! wWre all learning here...it's like a "coming of age" for you liberals! REPLY

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by Invent a Scandal (October 01, 2010 7:55 pm ET)

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no Tea Potty Patriot, I believe your post is called "dumb and dumber." REPLY

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by dkylep (October 01, 2010 8:36 pm ET)

You're truly one of the dumbest people walking around TPP, or you're an unconscionably nasty person. I'm not which is the better option. REPLY

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by keetonmm (October 03, 2010 4:56 pm ET)

Way to repeat that article you just read. It would have sounded very good if you actually knew what you were talking about.

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by Old_Benjamin (October 01, 2010 7:02 pm ET)

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Everyone with a stitch of logic in their brain should be anti-immigration.

Pssst... your freudian slip is showing. REPLY

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by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 3:50 am ET)

Your post, troll, is full of already debunked talking points. Everyone else in the media doesn't participate in lies, distortions and omissions of relevant info that

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by anitamurie (October 03, 2010 11:47 pm ET)

You're right no body on the right has a stitch of logic nor do they have any integrity left. Dems hav been screaming for comprehensive immigration reform. Teabagger Republicans have refused to consider any reform, including the Dream &ct which was once supported by some Republicans including John McCain and Lyndsey Grahm. Not one 2epublican has supported any immigration reform since the last election. FoxPac, the arm of the teabagger Republicans have made sure to stoke the flame of fear and ignarance regarding this issue and no Teabagger Republican wishing to win a Republican primary would dare go against it. REPLY

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by StPete (October 01, 2010 8:44 pm ET)

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Hold Fox News accountable for publicly showing it's stripes? Sure it's time to hold them responsible for destroying the public's trust in news. They're not alone but they've done the biggest job of screwing it up, and cheating Americans out of their trust of the news. In fact it's BEEN time to hold them accountable... ever since 2003, when Fox News appealed and won a court case claiming they have the right to lie to the public in news stories because they're protected by the First Amendment <http://tinyurl.com/2895z7t>. A circuit court in Florida ruled it's their right to lie to the public, and they continue to lie, twist and misinform under that freedom every single day. And for some reason our journalism schools, institutions, and all the other mostly trusted news providers in the nation just won't call them out. Not then and not now. There must be some "practical" reasons but I can't figure out the riddle... or maybe I just can't believe the answers I get when I do. Anyway, that's why I like and support watchdogs like Media Matters and FAIR, and why I pound away in these comment boxes. But I wish our current watch dogs would report on that lawsuit at least. After all these years I still believe news about that case alone would shake Fox News to its corporate knees. REPLY

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by leftofwhat (October 01, 2010 9:25 pm ET)

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Well put San Pedro.They lie to cover lies and when caught in a lie,deny it.They actually get away with it and destroy journalism daily. REPLY

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by jpeagle21 (October 01, 2010 9:47 pm ET)

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You do realize that your whole write-up was basically just a complaint about Fox not promoting a liberal viewpoint. You don't want non-biased news, you want liberal news. Guess what? Some people don't believe that global warming exists. If fox didn't report on it, who would? Guess what? Some people think illegal immigrants are a cancer in our society, not to mention the fact that they are criminals by definition. If fox didn't report on it, who would? Guess what? Some people actually support the Tea Party and believe in lower taxes and smaller government. If fox didn't do reports about the Tea Party that actually expressed their views instead of just suggesting that they are a bunch of crazy, old, racists, who would? Finally, who will hold MSNBC accountable for their obvious liberal biased personalities (Olbermann, Schultz, Maddow, & Matthews) not to mention their liberal-leaning "news" reports? You don't want to get rid of fox because they are "not fair", you want to get rid of fox because they are "not liberal."

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by juliajayne1 (October 01, 2010 10:10 pm ET)

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And your entire post pretty much states that Fox should "report" people's opinions, not report facts. REPLY

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by loonz (October 01, 2010 10:30 pm ET)

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I have no problem with the media debating climate change but that's not what FOX does. They have a point of view about climate change and they stick to that view no matter what while summarily dismissing the overwhelmingly evidence that it's occurring. They also have no problem bringing on some obscure figure from Bumf#@k, Idaho to reinforce their point of view. Have they ever honestly reported on any facts about climate change that would contradict their point of view? Same thing goes with the teabaggers. They have a point of view that they stick to no matter what while dismissing any facts that contradict that view. It's also a network that's not above reporting conspiracy theories, rumors, hearsay, innuendo, etc. they think could damage the the Obama administration or Democrats in Congress. This same standard is not applied to conservatives. Lastly, the network endorses conservative causes and conservative candidates. The bottom line is that FOX is not a news organization; it's a propaganda machine for conservatives. REPLY

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by jpeagle21 (October 01, 2010 10:47 pm ET)

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ok, fine. Lets just say I'm willing to concede all your points about Fox. What about MSNBC? What about the way they were when Bush was President? What about the conspiracy theory reports about the war on terror being about oil? What about a certain Mr. Olbermann yelling at president Bush to "Shut the hell up!" because Bush said he wouldn't golf during the war? If Fox is a propaganda machine for conservatives, then MSNBC is just as much of a propaganda machine for liberals. So, if Fox goes away then so should MSNBC, and possibly CNN. You agree? REPLY

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by leftofwhat (October 02, 2010 12:46 am ET)

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Peewee Herman comeback."I know you are but what am I."Fox is Fox is Fox.At least other networks try journalism.Try "Democracy Now" or Linktv.Fox is not news.Why is it that faux freaks compare MSNBC with their misinformation station?Pitiful.Limited attention span I guess. REPLY

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by kamrom (October 02, 2010 1:57 am ET)

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The trouble is, Bush actually did things that were ridiculously vast; changing huge numbers of laws and adding more that eroded privacy, in the name of fighting an enemy that is based around a tactic that conventional warfare doesnt work against., issuing record numbers of executive orders and signing statements, didn't take al qaeda seriously, didn't pay for one war that wasnt really worth it and another that was started on false premises. They allowed torture and let low ranking soldiers take all the blame. they pretended pat tillman's death wasn't friendly fire..Thats what, three years time? And when the republicans in congress were turning off the lights and cutting off democrats microphones, or not letting them into secret meeting, and not following subpoena orders, and in general ignoring the rule of law, we shouldnt have reported it? Fox was propoganda then, and it is still now. It just keeps gettign worse. Like crashing the economy, then blaming it somehow on democrats, because republicans cant cause huge economic problems. Its not our fault fox distorted then just as they do now. Im sorry they suckerd you in though. REPLY

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Ok, so you just proved my point that you don't like fox because they don't promote the liberal view. You want them to treat all those things you said about Bush as being true because you believe them to be true. You don't want honest debate, you want to see viewpoints that align with yours. Again, some people (a lot of people, actually) believe all those things you said about democrats crashing the economy, or at least making it significanthly worse. If fox doesn't report it, who will? REPLY

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by kamrom (October 02, 2010 12:44 pm ET)

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Theres this mythical idea of a middle ground. That both sides should be given equal weight. This is not productive, because a lot of people refuse to listen. We can show you a birth certificate a thousand times over, and its still not there. You make up whole stories. Invent out of nothing. Your side actually commited the atrocities, and now in a desperate bid to be able to shout "but THEY did it too!" the right has been slapping all the insane accusations they can at democrats. They never offer any evidence. They lie and say they do, but of course, they dont. And then it gets revealed, every single time. And then fox news audience is wholly right wing so they ignore this and go right on with next week's End of America scenario, the old having been tossed to the curb as the lies peaked and attentions declined. It doesnt matter what the right thinks. Because you lie about everything, all the time. Pathologically. Ive noticed its been several days since health care reform provisions started, and I don't see any government thugs here. They claim oppression, they warn of the end of America, they pretend like they have to dodge spies on the way home...While claiming that THEIR MEDIA NETWORK is the most popular. Wouldnt Obama take that off the air? Your side brings guns near obama rallies. Ours wouldve been arrested in the same situation 5 years ago. again, while claiming your rights are being taken.

The list goes on and on and on. The point is, Bush and the right wing are *actually doing* the things we accuse them of. Your side is just making stuff up because you're scared and angry and want to make others scared and angry. Theres no good reason to report on what the right does or says, because they contradict themselves on a moment to moment basis, and use inflammatory language in weird, random combinations. I pity you, if you cant see this at all. Im dissapointed if you know and support it. It seems like a scary place, inside your head. Enemies at every corner, communazis in every home. I really do hope you can figure out just how disturbed or awful you are. REPLY

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by eb (October 02, 2010 7:01 pm ET)

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you don't like fox because they don't promote the liberal view. NO no no no! I don't like them because they lie and dishonestly attack. Theirs is a shameless propaganda that effectively damages the discourse in our country. The behavior of the trolls on this website is a great example of the damage done. A real and honest debate or difference of opinions is fine. Fox is just one big infomercial. Its so blatant its silly to think otherwise. Duped you are. One day it might anger you. REPLY

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by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 3:55 am ET)

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Will your side EVER stop with the false equivalencies? There is NO fair comparison that can be made between FoxNews and MSNBC. They aren't two sides of the coin. They aren't mirror images of one another. And this has been pointed out to you time after time after time. You aren't really interested in discussing the FACTS on this topic. And that's because you're a troll. REPLY

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by jpeagle21 (October 02, 2010 8:53 am ET)

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Since you never have anything to say other than to whine about people being trolls, i'll respond to you like a troll. You're a loser. You're arguments make no sense, so you pull the troll hat out of the bag whenever you can't win an argument. No one here likes you, not even those who share your viewpoint as I have seen them blast you with "thumbs down" on several of your posts. As Biff would say: "Why don't you make like a tree.....and get out of here." REPLY

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by coldteablues19577325 (October 02, 2010 2:57 pm ET)

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"No one here likes you, not even those who share your viewpoint as I have seen them blast you with "thumbs down" on several of your posts. As Biff would say: "Why don't you make like a tree.....and get out of here." --jpeagle21 Wow, this sounds more and more like elementary school every day. "Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, guess I'll go eat worms," type things. I wasn't aware that the majority of us who post here is out to win popularity contests. Oh, and your last quote ... you can't even get it right: I know it as, "Why don't you make like a tree and leaf?" THAT, at least, makes more sense don't you think? REPLY

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by eb (October 02, 2010 6:45 pm ET)

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Yes, its throw sand in the sandbox time. Since Fox lies, everyone who isn't biased like them must also lie. Tea bag conservatives won't bother to understand who or what they attack. The trolls won't read the article. Too much cognitive dissonance for them. Ultimately honesty and integrity is too scary for them. Better to hide under the blanket of conservative ideology. Problem is, they get angry when they see that not everyone drinks their cool aid.

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by jpeagle21 (October 02, 2010 8:37 pm ET)

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<I know it as, "Why don't you make like a tree and leaf?" THAT, at least, makes more sense don't you think? > Nooooo, realllly? Watch Back To The Future, then get back to me. REPLY

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by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 11:58 pm ET)

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The ACTUAL quote from "Back to the Future"? "So, why don't you make like a tree and get outta here?" And the ACTUAL saying is "make like a tree and LEAF". Trees don't "leave". They leaf! I swear, you can't even get these simple things correct! What a dummy. Say it out loud. What does it SOUND like? It SOUNDS like "leave". But it's "leaf". REPLY

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by jpeagle21 (October 02, 2010 8:42 pm ET)

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by DellDolly (October 03, 2010 12:00 am ET)

And no, you weren't. You can't even get THIS right! I swear. You actually REPLIED to what the previous poster said. Now, you were WRONG, but that's just because you're an imbecile. But you were NOT making a troll post in THIS case, since you were actually TRYING to participate in a discourse with another poster! Even when you're trying to admit that you make troll posts, you can't get it right. That's really sad! LOL REPLY

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by keetonmm (October 03, 2010 5:01 pm ET)

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Yeah, it certainly would make more sense. If it wasn't "Make like a tree and leave." Good going, Biff. REPLY

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by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 11:51 pm ET)

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I write nothing but whines about people being trolls? What a doofus you are - that's a ridiculous assertion that even a 1st grader would know is not true in the least. My arguments ALWAYS make sense. This is indisputable, yet you deny it! That makes YOU a troll, not interested in participating in a fair debate that reflects reality. I HAVE too seen those on the left side of the aisle react unfavorably to some of my posts - that doesn't bother me at all! I don't post here to garner friendship and acclaim! There are people on BOTH sides of the aisle that behave in undesirable ways. Some on the left here like to feed trolls, or hate to have to admit that they've fed trolls, and so they shoot the messenger when it's too painful to acknowledge the message. I get unfairly targeted, and somehow that's supposed to mean that I'm wrong? How exactly does THAT calculus work? REPLY

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by jpeagle21 (October 02, 2010 9:02 am ET)

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And, one more thing since you mentioned "fair comparisons). If you don't see Ed Schultz (on MSNBC) as being as bad as if not worse (i think he's worse) than anyone on Fox, then you are truly delusional. REPLY

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by DellDolly (October 03, 2010 12:02 am ET)

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It doesn't matter what I see things as. Reality is what matters. Ed Schultz does NOT traffic in lies, distortions, deception, and omission of relevant information to push disinformation. He does NOT have the intent to push toxic disinformation that poisons our national discourse. FoxNews does! REPLY

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by GreenLantern (October 03, 2010 1:32 pm ET)

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You do realize that your whole write-up was basically just a complaint about Fox not promoting a liberal viewpoint. You don't want non-biased news, you want liberal news. You are so wrong, my real world example is several months ago in our state capital, there was a rally of between an estimated 3 to 5 THOUSAND people in support of health care. There was a "Teabagger" rally that had at most 150 people. Not one station showed anything about the health care really but each one had at lease 60 seconds of the tea-baggers! The only reason I knew about the pro health care rally was that our only one (out of about 10) progressive stations reported on it. (I have two TV's and checked out both the early news and late news. ZERO coverage of the "liberal" news, at least a FULL MINUTE and MORE of the right(hate)-wing news)! Please give an examples of Olberman or Maddow caught in flagrant lies forwarding their "liberal" agenda. REPLY

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by mercsniper (October 02, 2010 2:59 am ET)

Is it really that hard to ask people to go through the proper legislative process of becoming an American? All we ask is that you respect our border and respect that you can walk freely into the country and expect things to fall on a silver platter for you. REPLY

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by DougD (October 02, 2010 4:13 am ET)

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It's true as Ben Dimiero states that the press does need to hold Fox "news" responsible. The evidence of right-wing political bias, going way beyond immigration issue, is simply overwhelming. And it's been going on since the 90's with Clinton and Gore. For me, the question has always been "Why doesn't the MSM hold Fox accountable? Why don't they simply point out the lies, and publicly ostracize Fox as a reputable news organization. This would be simple to do based on the overwhelming evidence. And one would think it would be a smart move in terms of competing with Fox while at the same time holding a higher moral standard. But they refuse. When Gibbs made his little remark that Fox isn't a real news organization, all the other news organizations spun this into "Obama's war against Fox" (which is ludicrous) and all seem to have sided with Fox by exploiting a silly confusion about opinion versus news reporting. So why not take on Fox? Surely intellectual corruption within such a powerful "misinformer" is newsworthy. I don't know the answers, but I assume there's a combination of factors. 1) The MSM is also corrupt. If they attract too much attention to Fox, then that attention will be reflected back on them. 2) Publishers and editors within the MSM have adopted corporate profit motives that benefit from the lies

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Media Matters: The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses to | Media Matters for America that Fox spews. They let Fox do the real dirty work while they sit back trying to appear objective and distanced. Fox takes a bit of heat, but being essentially psychopaths, they really don't care. 3) Members of the MSM are not particularly intelligent. They are unable to tell the difference between objectivity and bias. They may think they are "liberal", and thus pull punches against Fox, while in reality they aren't even liberal to begin with. In addition, many journalists are in rather prestigious positions, which they don't want to lose by going against the grain. 4) For some reason, the MSM is afraid of Fox "news". Perhaps they fear that if they go after Fox, Fox will retaliate in a typically vicious way, causing problems with their advertising and so on. I suspect it's all of these things, as well as others I've overlooked. But the real problem here is not just that Fox is corrupt, but that the rest of the media is basically covering up for Fox and making things much worse for our country. We need to identify the underlying factors within the MSM that motivate these biases, and attack them as well as Fox. REPLY

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by eb (October 02, 2010 6:52 pm ET)

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4) For some reason, the MSM is afraid of Fox "news". Perhaps they fear that if they go after Fox, Fox will retaliate in a typically vicious way, causing problems with their advertising and so on. I suspect this one is most important. Fox/Rush and co. are bullies. As we have seen, the rulebook for journalistic integrity has been thrown out the window. Standing up to them invites trouble that can be avoided by looking the other way. I suspect a lot of the democrats are operating under the same dynamic. Take them on and get swallowed up in a backlash of irrational hysteria. Look, Obama is still dealing with basic assumptions about his motives and identity just for holding high office without their approval. Its easier just to pretend like they don't exist... REPLY

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by HeeNow (October 02, 2010 9:48 am ET)

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Ben, Do you know there's a war going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Why are you wasting your time on Fox News? As a "research fellow" at MMfA, do some research on something that matters. Fox News doesn't. REPLY

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by papajohn (October 02, 2010 11:48 am ET)

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Ben, Do you know there's a war going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Why are you wasting your time on Fox News? As a "research fellow" at MMfA, do some research on something that matters. Fox News doesn't. Finally, others are beginning to get it when it comes to the relatively recent failure of MMFA to hold the media accountable for it's pro-Republican (Pro-Corporate) garbage and lack of anything newsworthy. The title of the article is: The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses to It should read: Someone needs to hold the press accountable because Media Matters refuses to

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by DellDolly (October 03, 2010 12:04 am ET)

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Go away concern troll. If the rest of the MSM had the issues that FoxNews does, then they'd get covered more. You're out to lunch with this argument, and that's been documented multiple times. REPLY

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by papajohn (October 03, 2010 1:43 pm ET)

If the rest of the MSM had the issues that FoxNews does, then they'd get covered more. You're out to lunch with this argument As well as several other people in this thread that are obviously a lot more observant than you are. On the plus side, you generally lose most arguments on this forum because you have an uncontrollable habit of name calling other (more intelligent) posters. You should also be grateful to MMFA forum moderators for allowing you to violate the Forum Rules every day which clearly state: DO respect others' opinions. We expect posters from all parts of the political spectrum here. Please express your opinion without insulting other posters. DON'T write an otherwise thoughtful post and then close it with insults or profanity. Your post will be removed. Repeat violators will be banned. DON'T post here if your sole purpose is to start a flame war. Arguments and debates are fine; obscenity, name-calling, and trolling are not. Violators will be banned. I'll link it for you again: http://mediamatters.org/p/etc/terms It is a rarity to read any DellDolly responses to other posters that aren't laden with name calling. If that is your recipe for winning an argument, Emeril Lagasse has nothing to worry about. John REPLY

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by DellDolly (54 seconds ago)

Actually I don't EVER lose arguments here. You have made this bogus argument a bunch of times, saying that MMFA purposefully ignores some terrible examples of media disinformation that furthers the conservative agenda, but you fail miserably in providing direct evidence of ANY examples of that behavior that MMFA ignored either before or AFTER you pointed them to it. Without that evidence, no one has to WIN the argument - YOU LOSE IT by your inaction! This is not rocket science. I don't call other more intelligent posters doofuses! That's just not true! And I DO respect other people's opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts, dummy, and an opinion that's NOT based upon facts is NOT an opinion that needs to be allowed to stand unchallenged! Again, this is not rocket science! And calling Son of Sam a murderer is not namecalling, since he's a convicted murderer, and calling a doofus a doofus is not namecalling, and I don't EVER just do that without

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Media Matters: The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses to | Media Matters for America backing up my accusations with evidence of that ignorance and stupidity! My purpose is NOT to start a flame war - but many of the posts that I reply to DO have that intent. I don't use obscenities, I don't name-call, and I don't troll! My intention is to MOCK fools. That's not "starting a flame war". Maybe you should look up the definition of a flame war, since you seem terminally confused on this issue. It's NOT MY FAULT that you're out to lunch and I point that out. It's not MY FLAW that your arguments are so easily dispatched! You are NOT a victim, doofus. The fact that I catch, tag, and release a bunch of troll posters and troll posts doesn't mean that I fail to win arguments! REPLY

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by wookie (October 02, 2010 12:07 pm ET)

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Iraq, not so much these days. And it was Fox style manipulation of the facts that got us there. REPLY

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