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Still, we’ll see what team ultimately drafts Sam. A lot of speculation actually points to our very own Atlanta Falcons as a potential team for Sam. General Manager Thomas Dimitroff has publicly thrown his support behind Sam, and people who know much more about football Why? It’s not like Sam is the first out than me have noted that his pass-rush ability is someathlete, let alone the first gay football thing the Falcons need. player. But…once he’s drafted, he will be the first out NFL player. And And let’s be honest: a gay football player may draw a he won’t be coming out later in his lot of attention, but it’s not like Falcons players haven’t career, either. He’s just joining now. drawn attention for aspects of their personal lives (see: Now, Sam was already expected to be Michael Vick). Plus, it may take seeing an openly gay a middle-to-late round draft pick, so man kicking ass on a football field to change some minds the big question is whether his com- about homosexuality. Why not have it be on an Atlanta ing out will help or hurt his chances team? in the draft. On the record, plenty of team representatives have said they’d have no problem picking Sam, but some NFL executives and coaches have also indicated that he’d likely drop in the drafts now. In other words, coming out very well may have affected his career before he joins a team. 8 // 02.19.2014

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How did you get your start?

I’ve always been in the service industry/restaurant biz, working at other establishments in Atlanta like Roxx Tavern and The Fifth Ivory. But a little over a year ago, a former coworker called me and told me they were looking to hire a new bartender and he mentioned me. The owners knew me from being a regular, so I came in and talked to them and started the next week! What’s your favorite drink to make, and what’s in it? Whenever someone asks for something “sweet and fun” (and I get that a lot), I make what I like to call an “Eric.” It is Blueberry vodka, Peach vodka, cranberry juice and a splash of orange juice. It’s sweet and refreshing, like me! What do you like about the ATL nightlife scene? Dislike? Like: Being from a somewhat small town in Alabama, I love the fact that there are so many options of fun and exciting things to do every night of the week! Whether its watching a game and playing trivia at Woofs, hanging with the regulars at Oscar’s or getting a group of friends together to go to BJ Roosters then Heretic and dance the night away! Dislike: There is never enough parking anywhere you go! 10 // 02.19.2014

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Trinity K. Bonet: The David Atlanta Interview

By Dylan Michael

honey! (Laughs) I mean, everyone that has watched my tape has been completely supportive and they’ve all thought it was done well. Even in the parts that I thought were kind of corny and silly, they still enjoyed it and they could tell I was a real person. That’s my thing: I like to keep it real. I don’t like to sugar coat things. I’m not a here hasn’t been an Atlanta queen on the hit TV show character – I’m just me! RuPaul’s Drag Race in two seasons, and that is just way too long! Season 2, there was Sonique Love and DA: Who are your inspirations? Who helped mold you Nicole Paige Brooks, representing Atlanta, Georgia. into who you are today? In season 3, we had Phoenix and Mariah Paris Balenciaga. This go ‘round, the Atlanta queen selected to compete TKB: My inspiration would have to be my mother, of course. She’s for the title of “America’s Next Drag Superstar” is none other than always been supportive and, even though she knows nothing Trinity K. Bonet! We caught up with Trinity to talk about the new about drag, she’s always able to give her two cents about what I’m season, her start in drag, and much, much more! wearing. (Laughs) She’s a woman; she knows what looks good! Atlanta’s Newest ‘Drag Race’ Star Talks Inspirations, Drag Segregation, and the New Season


David Atlanta: Where are you from?

I would honestly say my biggest drag inspiration is Mrs. Carter herself, Beyoncé. I have patterned my whole career and mindset Trinity K. Bonet: I was born in Jacksonville, Florida but was raised behind things that she has done. And as we can all see, she’s the in Miami. I’ve been a resident of Atlanta for 7 years now! biggest name in music right now. So, just doing things to be a trendsetter; standing out. It’s all about re-invention, and topping DA: Where, and when, did you start doing drag? yourself. You always need to push yourself to top what you have previously done. I’ve been known in the community for my producTKB: I started doing drag when I was really, really young. I’ve al- tions and my Beyoncé illusion. So, I always have to revamp myself ways played in my mom’s clothes growing up, and I was a theater and find new ways to wow the audience. student. The first time I did a show, my mom actually paid for all of my stuff! I think I was probably about 14 years old and it was DA: Who was your favorite girl from this season’s cast, a Halloween party that my mother had. My mother is actually bi- and why? sexual, so she’s really supportive of my drag career. She’s Team Trinity all the way! (Laughs) TKB: There’s no way I can pick one! That’s hard! I’ll do two. My two favorite people on this season are Bianca Del Rio and Adore Delano. DA: Why did you decide you wanted to be a part of When we first got together this season, Bianca and I couldn’t stand RuPaul’s Drag Race? each other. And it was that kind of tension, you know? Throughout the show, we were paired up together, so that we’d either eat each TKB: My mom, and my ex-boyfriend at the time, convinced me. My other up or we’d learn to love each other and it just went the way it mother actually got really sick and was in the hospital for a while. was supposed to. She’s so supportive and sweet and would always It was one of her wishes to see me succeed and you never see as tell me how proud she was of me and all this. She’s just great. much in yourself as others do, you know? So, she really pushed me to follow my dreams. I never thought in a million years that I’d And then I love, love, love Adore because she’s just a fucking rock be the one selected out of all the candidates in Atlanta, but I did. star, you know? We partied together, and she became my sister. After the show was over, we would talk on the phone every day and And my boyfriend was the same way. He saw so much in me and we just became really good friends. She and I were, I think, two of helped me prepare for it. We watched the last two seasons togeth- the realest people on cast this season, and she had her struggles er and I just stepped on a limb. RuPaul must have seen something, just like everyone else. 14 // 02.19.2014 // 15

DA: Were there any “bad guys” this season? Any Phi TKB: I don’t know what it is, but it’s amazing. She glows like the Phi’s or Roxxxy’s? Muses from “Hercules”; she’s absolutely gorgeous in person. Of course, you can’t really hold conversations with her because you TKB: There weren’t bad guys; there were bad actors. There was don’t want anybody accusing anyone of favoritism, but everything a lot of over acting, and people trying to play a part. Everybody was pretty much what you think it would be. Everyone was nice meant well, they were just trying to figure out where they stood. and gave their opinion like they do. It’s just TV. It goes a lot faster And build fans! Everybody was pretty much just trying to build when you’re watching it at home than it is actually being a part fans and get their names out there, however, there were only a of it. few that were there to win. DA: What’s a normal day on RuPaul’s Drag Race like DA: You’ve been here in Atlanta for seven years for you? now, so you’ve seen a lot, I’m sure. What do you like, and dislike, about Atlanta’s drag scene? TKB: Well, your long days are judging days cause you do the runway thing and it takes all day. But if you have a challenge, half TKB: I like the fact that Atlanta gave me an opportunity to do of that morning you spend finding out what the challenge is and drag and showcase my talents. That means a lot to a girl like preparing for it, then you get into drag, do the challenge. Nothing me. crazy; just long days. I do not like the fact that you’re not appreciated by the audience unless you are a veteran. I do not like the fact that I have to travel outside of my own city to make money; good, quality money. I do not like the segregation of it. I don’t like the fact I can come to one club on a certain night and I don’t see a single Caucasian person there. And, in order to build my fan base, I have to travel all over the place. I don’t do well with segregation at all. DA: Can you tell us anything about the challenges from this upcoming season?

DA: You’re the first Atlanta queen to be on the show since season three. How does it feel to be part of an elite group of performers from Atlanta that have been part of that show’s history, like Nicole Paige Brooks, Phoenix, Mariah and Sonique? TKB: It feels right. I feel like this city possesses tons of talent but I really think that I’m one of those charms on that bracelet of talent that just happened to get picked. I think any one of us could have gone, but if we were trying to find someone worthy enough to represent this amazing city, I think I was a good choice, amongst others who could have. I think it feels right, and I represented Atlanta well. I hope I didn’t say anything that would make anyone upset, but that’s just my opinion! (Laughs)

TKB: (Laughs) You know I can’t! But just to let you know, this is the best season; the most talented season thus far. The queens this season absolutely kill it. There will be no disappointment when it comes to talent because where one contestant lacks, another one gains. That’s how it’s always been on that show, DA: What are you most excited about when it comes but this season…bitch, it’s sick! to being on season 6? DA: If you don’t win season six, who would you like TKB: Traveling, traveling, traveling! I hear it’s gonna wear me out to win? but I just know that entertaining is what I like to do. I’m not a singer, I’m not an actor, but bitch, you put on a CD and I’m gonna go TKB: Oh, you bitch! (Laughs) You know what, if I don’t win, I off. I just wanna travel and showcase my talents and meet people. would like to see my sister, Adore Delano, win. She’s young, I wanna go to places I’ve never been. I wanna go to the smallest, she’s fresh, she’s funky, and she’s so energetic and full of ideas countries cities you can think of and just turn them out. I wanna go and she knows what she wants. Plus she likes to party! We’re to Kansas and places like that and meet THOSE fans. I’ve been to very similar in that regard. I like the fact that that she enjoys life. the big cities, I wanna go to the small ones. Also, I want someone Yeah, we are in a competition, but everything doesn’t have to to cry for me. (Laughs) I want someone to come up to me, with be a contest. Let’s just drink, have fun, do the show, and enjoy tears in their eyes, and do the whole “Oh my God, I’m such a huge getting to know each other. fan!” thing. (Laughs) Who knows? Maybe it’ll happen! To answer your question, I would love to see her win. But we do I like to call my fans “Transformers” because of the transformanot know who wins until the finale. We know nothing. tion that I do; I go from looking like a guy to looking like a girl, so it’s just fitting. And I’m so excited about meeting my Transformers DA: Like you said, some of the contestants on the all over the country! show adopt characters. What are the judges like in You can find Trinity on Facebook under Trinity Karreal life? dashian Bonet (anywhere else she don’t use “KarTKB: You know that glow that RuPaul has on the show? She dashian” for legal reasons), and on Twitter and Instagram under Trinity K Bonet. Be sure to tune in to Logo has that in real life. every Monday starting this Monday, Feb. 24, for the newest season of RuPaul’s Drag Race! DA: Is that a medical condition or something? 16 // 02.19.2014


Seduced by

Michelle Visage By Dylan Michael

The ‘Drag Race’ Judge on Season Six, Her Relationship with RuPaul, and More!


ou may have seen her in the group Seduction (“it takes two to make a thing go right!”) or on RuPaul’s Drag Race. She’s fierce, she’s fine, and she’s set to take on the world, no matter what obstacles get in her way. I got the chance to talk with Michelle Visage, in between stops at Starbucks, to talk about life on set at Drag Race, what she looks for in a queen, her relationship with RuPaul and much, much more. David Atlanta: How have you been since the last time we saw you, since the end of season five? Michelle Visage: I’ve been busy, and blessed, and healthy. And everything’s good. I can’t complain! DA: How did you and Miss RuPaul become friends? MV: Ru and I knew each other in the clubs, back in the 80’s. I didn’t know him, he didn’t know me, but we were all hired by the legendary party promoter Suzanne Barge for an event. We had seen each other, we’d say hey girl, all that, and I would just sit there completely enamored by who he was because he’s just amazing to watch. It was until 1992 when we connected. We were both doing a show together in NYC and they put us in the same suite, and I finally was like “I don’t know if you remember me or not…” and he said “Bitch! I’ve been watching you for years! You are a fuckin’ star! I used to watch you with Seduction and your little blonde ass hopping across the stage, and I knew you were the star of that group.” And that was kind of the beginning! When 1996 rolled around, a new radio station in NYC was launched called WKTU. Radio was always something that I had a passion for and I wanted to do. Once again, I had no experience, but I somehow finagled my way in for them to see me. The way I do it, if I get a chance, I’m gonna nail it. All I need is a chance and I will drive the shit home. If I can’t deliver, I won’t put myself out there. I know what I can do and I know what my limitations are. If something called for someone to sing like Mariah Carey, I’m not gonna go for it.

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Anyway, I ended up impressing everyone at the radio station. They were testing out a few people to take the morning show, which is the most important part of the day; it’s the most extensive. And they ended up putting RuPaul and I together for Fashion Week, and that was the beginning of the end. We did that show for two years, and a few months into it in 1996, Ru had his talk show and he brought me on as his co-host, and that was the beginning of our partnership.

DA: Who was your favorite in past seasons? MV: Nope. I don’t play that game. I don’t have favorites, because I only love them all. You might say “Oh well I know you love Manila” or whoever, but I don’t love anybody best. There might be challenges where I connect with a certain contestant or with their personality but I don’t play favorites. At all.

DA: We see a lot of what happens backstage with the DA: Do you have any solo projects? Books you’ve girls on “UnTucked”, but what about the judges? Tell written, blogs? me some of the crazy backstage antics that happen. MV: I have a lot of stuff that is being worked on, but I won’t talk about it until it’s done. I find it horrible when I read stuff and people talk a big game and they never deliver, and you go “Whatever happened to that TV show?” or “Whatever happened to that record?” So, yes, I have some stuff in the works and we should know about them soon, and I won’t talk about them, so don’t even bother! (Laughs) But I do blog for World of Wonder, the company that puts on RuPaul’s Drag Race, and I have a blog on my website, so you can keep up with what’s going on there.

MV: There really aren’t that many, to be honest. There are jokes being thrown around with the celebrities and all that, and then Santino and I just throw shade at each other all day, because we love each other.

People don’t get to see our real relationship, because we’re super close, but I think people think that we hate each other. (Laughs) It works better for the show, I guess, that we don’t agree. And we don’t, you know? We just have different aesthetics. He’s this really great designer and I’m a really haphazard tacky dresser, DA: RuPaul’s Drag Race’s sixth season is premiering which is totally different, but it helps. in February! Are you excited? Nothing crazy really happens, though, because most of the time MV: I’m beyond excited, because I never what it’s going to look we’re shooting, so we have to have our “judges faces” on. like until it’s done. People are like “Well, you were there!” And yeah, I was there, but I don’t what it’s going to look like, I don’t DA: What do you like about radio vs. TV? Pros and know what the queens are like. I only know what I see on the cons to both? main stage, so it’s also fun to see backstage. MV: Well, obviously they’re completely different media. The thing DA: Why did you want to be a part of RuPaul’s Drag I like about radio is the ability to be in someone’s life every single Race? day. You become a family member to them. The biggest compliment I’ve ever gotten from doing radio for 17 years was that MV: Why wouldn’t I? Are you kidding? It’s the best show on tele- whenever they listened to me, they felt like they were hanging vision! It’s the most creative, the most glorifying. It glorifies, in a out with a member of their family, because you just say it like it is positive and necessary way, what we do. Drag is an art form that and I feel like I know you. And to me, that’s my gift. I think I make should be glorified. I always say, in the gay community, that the people feel comfortable. I can bring things out in people that most queens are the ones with the toughest gig. Gays are gays, and people can’t. And that’s what I like about radio. everybody has their own thing, but queens take it a step further. Not only are they gay, but they dress up as lady boys for a living TV is different. TV is an illusion; it’s an act. It’s becoming a differand it’s a tough, tough gig. But it is one with such passion, and ent character, and who I am on the judges panel is exactly who talent, and love, and it gets my complete and total admiration, I am in real life. and this show is exactly what the gay community needs. DA: What’s next for you? DA: What do you look for in a queen? MV: Well, like I said, there’s a lot that’s being presented and MV: I like all kinds of drag, all types of queens. I don’t really look worked on. I’m never gonna leave Drag Race, I’m just gonna for anything in particular, besides confidence. When a queen work with Ru until the day that one of us, if not both of us, die. steps on stage and she’s not super confident with the look they’re We’re together for life, so we’ll always be doing something totrying to sell, I’m not gonna buy it if they’re not. When people gether. Hopefully there will be more theater stuff in 2014, maybe watch the show, and they comment on what I’m wearing, I don’t Broadway? Fingers crossed! give a fuck what anybody says about what I’m wearing cause I’m selling the shit out of what I’m wearing. I am believing what I’m For more of our conversation with wearing. I wear tacky with class! And that’s the way I do it. Michelle, read the full article online at You can follow Michelle Alyssa Edwards is the perfect example. She wears tacky with on every social media platform; just look pride and it makes me so happy. That’s what I look for, for some“Michelle Visage” on Twitter, Facebook, one to get out there with confidence and really believe in what and Instagram. they’re wearing.


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Queens of the Green Screen: Learning from Atlanta’s Former Drag Race Contestants


uPaul’s Drag Race is back – and so is Atlanta. For first time since season three, our proud city will be represented by one of our very own queens, Miss Trinity K. Bonet. With a line of alums in her wake, Trinity has the advantage of the inside scoop, the dirt, the do’s and the don’ts – and you know these girls dish. As we send yet another beautiful Atlanta queen out into RuPaul’s world of glitz and glam, we provide her with the words of wisdom from none other than Nicole Paige Brooks and Phoenix.

By Dylan S. Goldman raises you to be a woman, and give the illusion of a woman. In some places they’re really animated with their bodies and their faces; that’s not really my aesthetic.

Favorite Moment: I really had the most fun afterwards, hanging out with the girls at the hotel. It was interesting to get to know the girls from different regions of the country, and how different drag is in different places, but how it is also similar. Everyone’s background is always so different; it’s interesting. We all have the same job, but we do it differently, because we are from different places.

Hardest Challenge: I had never been away from my son before, so when it came time to give my phone up, I didn’t sleep well. I was panicked; I was waking up every hour on the hour. So when there was the possibility of really going home, I was very excited. [When I was eliminated] I was relieved to be going home. I had also never been away from my extended family that long. And I have my son every day, so it was especially hard leaving him and his mother, and not being able to check on them or speak to them, or my friends. That was probably harder than anything else: the separation anxiety. But if I had the opportunity to do All-Stars or anything like that, that would be okay. My son is seven now, not two or three. I shouldn’t have such anxiety about being away from my family for a little bit. (Laughs) They are very capable, even though I try not to allow that very often! But not knowing what was happening and hope, and worrying about it was hard.

Biggest Shock: I was surprised at how draggy some of the girls were. Some cities are more clubby, which Atlanta was until recently, but I was raised to be a female impersonator, not necessarily, like, a drag queen. I was raised by trans girls: Shawnna Brooks, Heather Daniels…so that’s my illusion. I want to be perceived as a woman, mistaken for a woman, and a lot of places want it to be really overdone. I don’t pad my body, cover my eyebrows and draw them on or anything like that. I was exposed to the Backstreet girls; Charlie Brown

Advice for Trinity: First off, enjoy this. I never thought I would be doing drag to start with. This wasn’t like a career goal of mine, which it is now. Nicole kind of just avalanched and happened. Even being on RuPaul wasn’t something I was planning or had signed up for. So really enjoy the whole process of it. And don’t Google yourself. Don’t go onto anyone’s blog, don’t read their comments…because everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not everyone’s going to like you. You have to be okay with that.

Nicole Paige Brooks, Season Two

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Phoenix, Season Three

broken down into what the audience sees at home. They have their eyes set on certain people, and it doesn’t really have a lot Favorite Moment: Probably walking in. That first moment to do with how good or bad your drag is, it’s a production. when you walk in the door…it just is so overwhelming. You walk in, and if you’ve watched the show before, you’re walk- Most Valuable Lesson: I learned my self-worth and my selfing onto the same set that you have been watching on TV for value. As bizarre as it sounds, I feel like the show humbled me years. You see the cameras and everything, and it’s such an after getting off of it. It actually doesn’t have anything to do with overwhelming experience. There is so much going on that you being eliminated when I was, but I feel like I don’t necessarily don’t really have time to get comfortable or think about it. That have as much to prove as I did. Our show was filmed four years first moment, when you get to take it all in, that is really the only ago, and I’ve grown so much as a person since then. But it moment you get to really think about what is happening. The definitely helped me gain my self-value and made me realize I rest of the time, there’s so much stuff going on on-set, it’s all didn’t have to be this overly bitchy drag queen. It kind of chilled just…very overwhelming. I don’t think you ever get used to it. me out a bit. I say that, but I’m sure there is going to be a good quantity of readers who will read that and say, “Um, she is still Hardest Challenge: Of course besides being eliminated. just as bitchy as she was then.” And I know that is definitely a (Laughs) I think the hardest challenge was the game of reality characteristic of mine, but I am perfectly aware of and happy TV. It is such a game. When I went on the show, I wasn’t really with that characteristic. There’s just something about being in TV mode. I was more ready to do a competition, and that’s off the show now and having been on the show that has just what I was in for. But it’s not. At the end of the day, it is a televi- humbled me, I guess. sion show. I don’t think people really don’t think about that, because they don’t know television. They don’t know the business Advice for Trinity: The biggest piece of advice I can give of it, the production. That’s one of the most difficult parts of it, is to stay true to yourself, know your self-worth and relearning how to play the game of RuPaul’s Drag Race. There member Drag Race and love the queens on the show. But were some days that we had to get ready in the hotel room, the people who perceive something negative about you will and some days that we had to get ready on set. We would have have no problem telling you, through their blogs and email. to get up at five in the morning to get ready. The thing is, we Getting emails from people all over the world telling you would film all day long. We wouldn’t get back to our hotel room how they are disgusted by you really, for a while, was very until 12, one o’clock in the morning. You’re literally filming all… hard for me to deal with. Stay off the blogs and remember day…long. People don’t realize how much footage that is to be who you are.

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Reverend Lisa Heilig speaks out on Augusta LGBT life


“Unfortunately we have had some folks pass away, “says Heilig. “But the entire community has come together to help one another. “ The strong sense of love and support was quickly noticed in Augusta, while in other cities, it wasn’t as easy for Heilig to spot.

or the past year and half, Rev. Lisa Heilig has served as the interim pastor for, Metropolitan Community Church “The community in Augusta is thriving, where in other cities, I of our Redeemer, the Augusta branch of many MCC have had to go search for it.” across the country. With only a few months left in Augusta, Heilig is unsure where the Having served five different churches in the past seven years, next step in her career will take her. She plans to return to Atlanta Heilig has had the opportunity to experience and observe the where her partner is based, and take a break from being a pastor LGBT community in multiple cities. for the next three to six months. “[The other cities LGBT community] have got nothing against As Heilig plans to say goodbye, she expects great things to come Augusta,” says Heilig. from the Augusta LGBT community. Before making her way to the Central Savannah River Area, Heilig “I fully expect them to do wonderful things for Augusta, and the spent four years working with churches in Florida, and a prior 16 whole CSRA.”



DA: Do you demand too much from relationships? RS: I am pretty laid back about a lot of things except the core values of what a relationship is about. I am pretty headstrong in that respect. I like to keep it real. I don’t take the guy I am with for granted so I don’t want to be taken for granted either. I can show a guy a really good time in a relationship if he knows what he wants. DA: In “It’s Not Gonna Work 4 Me!,” you sing about dumping your lover for wanting an open relationship. Why are open relations not for you? RS: I can only speak for myself and what works for me. For me, personally, the purpose of a relationship is about wanting to be together with a special someone. If the guy I am seeing wants to be with someone else, then he should go and be with that someone else. It’s just how I feel at this point in time. I also never commit myself to a relationship until I feel that I can offer the same.

Driving Solo

DA: In “When Pop Met Porn,” you open up about dating a gay porn star. How did you accept your man having sex with other men on film?

RS: He was a former porn star when we met so he wasn’t having sex with other people while we were dating. I am not a judgemental person. I can accept that a guy lived a By Jeremy Sanders life before he entered mine. It was part of who he was and I loved him as a whole. I only take a stance when a person’s n his book, The Memoirs of Angel King, Raph Solo de- actions affect me directly. tailed his personal journey towards self-acceptance, revealing a failed attempt at re-orientating his homo- DA: Several of your tracks reflect a desire to settle sexuality through reparative therapy. This month, he down. Are you done with partying? tells his story through song with the release of his pop RS: I love to party. By settle down, I mean finding one person album, Am I Too Much? I can party with. I am always going to be a party animal. The songs reflect Solo’s search for love and his desire to settle down with a man. In “Glass of Wine,” the album’s first DA: Describe your perfect man. single, he sings about finding peace and celebrating himself as a man. In other songs like “Lonely Playboy “ and “Brief RS: He would make me feel I am enough for him and he Encounter,” he tackles issues like safe sex and religion, and would be a man I feel is enough for me. On a physical level, examines his own personal experiences with open relation- I tend to be attracted to guys who are in good shape and are upbeat and lead a healthy lifestyle. On a personality level, I ships and one night stands. like guys who are optimistic about life and who are giving. Of “I wanted to make a record I could identify with that shined course, chemistry plays a very important role too. a light on my reality as I know it. It’s an authentic piece of DA: What do you hope fans take away from your work, ” he says. new album? David Atlanta: You named your album Am I Too Much? So I ask you, are you too much? Are you RS: I want people to come away from the album feeling like too much man for guys to handle? they know me a little better. As if I was your boyfriend or your friend, or if we just had a brief encounter together. Raph Solo: (Laughs) I was told by a guy I used to date that I am. In my defence, I was younger at the time. I would show For our full interview, visit davidatlanta. up on dates wearing all white from head to toe. He hated com. Am I Too Much? is available on that, but it was summer! Am I too much? Yes, I suppose I iTunes now. Visit for more am. I love too much. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or not. on Raph Solo. Either way, it’s how I am.

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Datebook yoU Vee Wednesday, Feb. 19 • 8–11 p.m. • Blake’s (227 10th St NE) • It’s the first “yoU Vee” party at Blake’s! Enjoy “Spectrum” with DJ GlowBear from 8–9 p.m., followed by the “yoU Vee” GlowGoBoys performing from 9–11 p.m. Wear your UV reactive shirts (or plain white tees) to maximize the “yoU Vee” effect! Lambda Legal Winter Mix and Mingle Thursday, Feb. 20 • 5:30–7:30 p.m. • Ten Atlanta (990 Piedmont Ave NE) • Join Lambda Legal as they celebrate recent legal victories and discuss the next steps they plan to take in the fight for equality. Table at Ten is providing light appetizers and discounted well drinks. An RSVP is required to receive discounted drinks – confirm at with the number of people in your party and the names as they should appear on name tags.

LovHer / LovHim Saturday, Feb. 22 • 10 p.m. • 10th & Piedmont (991 Piedmont Ave) • Bedlam Presents and LovHer combine to create the ultimate multicultural dance party – LovHer / LovHim. Music’s provided by DJ E. Entry is $10 with RSVP, and $15 without RSVP. Atlanta’s Best Dance Party w/ DJ Paulo Saturday, Feb. 22 • 10:30 p.m. • Jungle (2115 Faulkner Rd) • International superstar DJ Paulo returns to Jungle for what promises to be another amazing set. The dance floor opens at 10:30 p.m., following Ruby Redd’s Redd Light District show at 9 p.m.

MAAP: Third Thursday Business Networking Thursday, Feb. 20 • 6–8:30 p.m. • OnStage Atlanta (2969 E Ponce De Leon Ave, Decatur) • Join MAAP (Metro Atlanta Association of Professionals) for their Third Thursday Business Networking meeting. The evening includes special guest Lynn Pasqualetti of HLM Financial Group, who will be speaking on individual and small business taxes. Members attend for free; guests pay $10 in advance and $15 at the door. The Point Foundation: Cornerstone Event Thursday, Feb. 20 • 7–9 p.m. • The Wimbish House (1150 Peachtree St) • The Point Foundation, the largest scholarship-granting organization for LGBT students of merit, is hosting their inaugural Cornerstone event, where guests can meet Point Scholars and alumni, and hear their stories. The event is free, but attendees are encouraged to register online.

This Week in Theatres 3 Days to Kill: Kevin Costner gets his own Taken-styled film. He stars as an international spy whose last assignment – hunting down the world’s most ruthless terrorist – coincides with looking after his teenage daughter for the first time in a decade.

Pompeii: This epic story involves a gladiator, his love who has been betrothed to a Roman Senator, and the eruption of Miss Edgewood Avenue 2014 Mount Vesuvius in 79 A.D. We feel it’s a safe bet that Vesuvius Thursday, Feb. 20 • 9 p.m.–3 a.m. • Noni’s Bar and Grill is going to win this one. (357 Edgewood Ave SE) • Barefoot Gypsy and Brigitte Bidet join forces for the Second In Secret: Set in 1860s Paris, In Secret is a tale of revenge, Annual Miss Edgewood Avenue. The night’s plans include adultery and obsessive love. The film stars Elizabeth Olsen, a drag pageant, plus additional performances by local cir- Tom Felton, Oscar Isaac and Jessica Lange. cus artists and dance crews. Proceeds go to benefit LostN-Found Youth and Barefoot Gypsy’s upcoming film that’s Barefoot: The black sheep of a wealthy family meets a freecentered on East Atlanta’s drag community. spirited, but sheltered, young woman, who he uses to convince his family that he’s straightened out his life. 52 // 02.19.2014 // 53 // 55

fairyscopes ARIES (March 20 – April 19):

LIBRA (September 23 – October 22):

You may need an emotional outlet today, but don’t get it through food. Being in the dumps could have you losing control, and the next thing you know you’ll be clearing out your refrigerator. Seek comfort of a friend instead, but avoid their invitations to talk about it over lunch.

A recent intellectual connection has inspired you to break outside your box and try something new. It’s a good day to get creative, and look no further than your own home. Maybe it’s time to change the color scheme of the bedroom, or look through swatches for the perfect curtain fabric. Feathering your nest will give you the feeling of comfort and security.

TAURUS (April 20 – May 20):

SCORPIO (October 23 – November 21):

You’ve inherited many traits from your mother, namely her hair, hips and cooking skills. You can work on those first two, but let the third one shine today. Invite friends to your table, whip up an extraordinary feast and make sure everyone leaves with leftovers. She would be so proud!

Let go of your emotions today and take in a weepy movie. ‘Fried Green Tomatoes’ is a guaranteed three-hankie tearfest. Don’t be afraid to cry; it’s a great release. Have plenty of Kleenex close by or your popcorn will be coated in tears rather than processed butter substitute and salt.

GEMINI (May 21- June 20):

SAGITTARIUS (November 22 – December 20):

Keep your possessions close today as being selfish will be a good thing. Don’t care what people think as you refuse to share anything with them. That’ll include recent juicy gossip. Use that as your ace card today. With the possession of gossip comes great power!

Monitor your moods before you follow them today. Be active and social if you wake up happy and sunny, but clear out at the first sign of storm clouds. The heavens will let loose with lightning and thunder, and then a hard rain’s a-going to fall! Don’t subject others to that storm if you don’t have to.

CANCER (June 21- July 22):

CAPRICORN (December 21 – January 19):

The 50’s sci-fi version of your life would feature a giant marauding crab, and you’d be playing the crab! Keep your larger than life emotions to a low roar today. The movie could end with scientists inventing a really big pot of boiling water, and an equally big ramekin of melted butter.

When you see what your partner serves for dinner tonight you may wish you were somewhere else. Like on an airplane bound to destinations of culinary delights. Uh-oh, that means you’ll have to eat whatever they’re serving on the flight. Hmmm, maybe dinner won’t look so bad after all.

LEO (July 23 – August 22):

AQUARIUS (January 20 – February 18):

Your subconscious may play tricks with your mind today. How else to explain people suddenly morphing into chickens, cows and swordfish? The office will be like something out of a Pink Floyd album! You may want to take an early lunch today. Either that or a whole lot of sedatives.

There may be times today when thinking won’t do you any good at all. It’ll be better to close your eyes and let instinct guide you. When you reopen them you’ll see that the worst is over, and you were able to get down the meatloaf at the company cafeteria. Keeping it down could be another story.

VIRGO (August 23 – September 22):

PISCES (February 19 – March 19):

Don’t let dinner with friends turn into a therapy session tonight. Sometimes you just want to enjoy a nice meal without listening to everyone’s problems. Turn the tables on them. At the first sign of whining let them know that dinner will cost ninety dollars an hour. That’ll shut ‘em up!

Playing the strolling minstrel at the park or Renaissance Fair is one thing. Bringing that character to work is another. Coworkers wouldn’t mind the Jethro Tull costume and lute playing if your rhyming weren’t so awful, and you didn’t have bits of food hanging from your beard.

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here is one type of bitch that I do not have time for, and that’s a bitch who can’t hold their alcohol. Why do these whores spend good money on guzzling down everything they can keep a steady hand on, only to “Roman Shower” all over our good shoes? And if they’re not puking their goddamn guts out, they’re making a different kind of mess with their drunken-ass extravaganzas. This week’s Favorite Bitch is all about alcoholics on the verge of a nervous breakdown! Dear Miss Tiger, I’ve been having sex with a lot of guys. I’m usually drunk off my ass and can’t even remember the names of the dudes that fucked me. I even got double penetrated and don’t remember half of what went down. I’m ashamed of myself and need help! -Jordan Dear Boypussy Done Been Stretched Like A Rubber Band, The only help that I have for you comes in the form of a taxi cab. Use it to take yo’ ass to a motha fuckin’ Alcoholics Anonymous meeting ... and then to the damn proctologist for some stitches. NEXT!

Dear Next Week You’ll Be Writing Me What To Do About The STD You Caught, You think you have a problem? Bitch, it sure as hell ain’t your iPhone 5s that’s losing track of time. NEXT! Dear Miss Tiger, My ex’s heavy drinking is affecting her memory. We’ve been broken up for two months but she still thinks we’re engaged. I want to help, but I’m wondering whether or not it’s a good idea to get involved in her life again? -Larry Dear You Need A Time Machine Or A Psychiatrist To Help Your Ass And Not Miss Tiger, And with that, I have one thing to say ... NEXT! Dear Miss Tiger, I got really drunk and accidentally threw up on my friend’s cat. I offered to pay for the grooming but she stopped talking to me. What do you think about this? -Pebbles Dear Now I’ve Officially Heard It All, I’d be over your ass too! With all that toxic shit in your drunken system, I’m sure you used up one of kitty’s 9 lives.

Dear Miss Tiger, My ex gets to drinking and then calls me insisting that we get back together. If she wasn’t such a drunk, I probably wouldn’t Let this be a lesson that a girlfriend will be there to hold your have left her to begin with. Any advice? hair back while you puke in the toilet ... but goddamn it, do not -Beth fuck with her pussycat! Dear At Least The Dyke Is Calling And Not Busting Out Your Fuckin’ Front Window, Bitch, please. If you didn’t want that lush callin’ your ass, then ya would’ve done something about it. It’s called change your goddamn number. Try saying farewell with a bottle of rubbing alcohol. She can use it to cleanse her wounded heart or being a true alcoholic ... she can drink the son-of-a-bitch! NEXT! Dear Miss Tiger, I think I got a drinking problem. I get wasted and lose track of time. Don’t know if I should be worried or if it’s just a part of being young and gay? Help me, Tiger! -Paul 58 // 02.19.2014

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Straights do…what on Sundays? Laundry? I’ll keep my brunch, thanks!

Really, gurl? Coming to work and complaining that you have so much to do; probably wouldn’t seem to be as much if you were sober.

Some people have their ways. Others just show them! Time for real men in this “community” to step up and show these kids a real man! Muscles don’t make the man; his actions and heart do, boys!

Gay men… where? I haven’t run into one in this town in 15 years!

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Why is there a Vienna sausage in your pants? Top?! I don’t think so, mister!

As a bottom, I wash, clean and prep my ass before going out as I never know who I’m gonna meet. Why can’t all bottoms just be like me?

I don’t ask for blow jobs. They sound like they involve physical labor. Instead, I ask for mouth hugs. I don’t like those shoes. White bottoms get dirty so fast. …Wait, what are we talking about, again?

I know what you’re thinking: is your dick bigger than mine?

I put the semen in amusement. The people who tell you to calm down are the people who piss you off in the first place. *This page reflects the bitchiness of the community not David Atlanta or its publisher (although we’re bitchy too!)

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