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ISSUE 19 11 - 17 SEPTEMBER 2018

ALBUM REVIEWS

From Anna Calvi, Wild Nothing, Muncie Girls and White Denim

MUSIC NEWS From Sick Joy, Voodoo and The Crypts, New Order and more

GIG LISTINGS Our recommended listings of gigs in Brighton

LIVE REVIEWS Featuring Yo La Tengo, Shannon and The Clams and more

TOM ODELL JUBILEE ROAD AND MEMORIES OF BRIGHTON


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NEWS

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TOM ODELL With his third album set to drop in October, Tom Odell chats to Jeff Hemmings about his open mic memories of Brighton, what to expect from Jubilee Road, and how he handles his critics

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NEWS

LISTINGS

Local releases and more news from the city’s music scene

Our recommended listings and previews of this week’s gigs

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ALBUMS

LIVE REVIEWS

Reviews from the latest album releases this week

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We look at the first Hidden Herd festival as well as Yo La Tengo and Shannon and The Clams in this week’s reviews

Following their show in Brighton last week, we caught up with Goat Girl’s L.E.D.

Up-and-coming Brighton band Squid are about to release their brand new single, ‘The Dial’, via Dan Carey’s Speedy Wunderground label on 21st September, with a launch gig at London’s new band mecca, The Windmill, on 13th October.

New Order have announced their only 2018 UK show

Never ones to overstretch themselves when it comes to gigging (nor albums - just the five since 1989’s Technique), Manchester legends New Order have announced their only UK show this year, taking place at Alexandra Palace on 9th November. Ahead of the show, a new documentary about the group called New Order: Decades will be broadcast on Sky Arts on 22nd September at 9pm. The documentary follows the band as they prepare for their performance at Manchester International Festival 2017 and their work with the artist Liam Gillick.

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Off the back of their rapturously received album last month, With Animals, the duo of Mark Lanegan and Duke Garwood have released a new single, the stripped-back acoustica of ‘Desert Song’. They’ll also be playing The Old Market on 3rd October.

Local lads Voodoo and The Crypts have announced their first ever UK headline tour this November. The Brighton-based four-piece will stop off mid-way through the tour for a show at Sticky Mike’s Frog Bar on Thursday 22nd November.

OCEAN WISDOM

Copyright © 2018. All rights reserved. At Brightonsfinest we strive to meet all of the best musicians who travel to, or live in our vibrant city. On our YouTube channel you can listen to our archive of radio interviews from both emerging and established artists, highlighting the best in new music from Brighton and beyond. This week we look back at our interview with Ocean Wisdom as he prepared for his biggest headline tour to-date. Ben Noble chatted to the Brighton rapper about pre-show nerves, his debut album, Wizville, and his relationship with Dizzee Rascal.

OUT OF TOWN GOAT GIRL Our favourite upcoming gigs outside of Brighton

Local band Sick Joy have announced that they’ve signed with London-based record label Killing Moon. After releasing their first EP, Amateurs, in March of this year, the Brighton threepiece have promised more music to come.

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PREVIEWS

KOMEDIA

Saltwater Sun – Sticky Mike’s Frog Bar – Friday 14th September 2018 This Reading quintet have had quite the summer, dropping their latest single, ‘Hot Mess’ and playing Reading Festival for BBC Introducing. If you’re in any doubt the trajectory are on, their set at Sticky Mike’s Frog Bar for Hidden Herd is sure to be a showcase of one of the most exciting up and coming indie bands in the country. Not only that, but the bill also boasts three of Brighton’s finest bands in Lacuna Bloome, Circe and Thyla.

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Bethia Beadman – Rialto Theatre – Saturday 15th September 2018 Ex-Hole member Bethia Beadman visits Brighton’s Rialto Theatre this September as part of her somewhat under the radar Lovers and Angels Tour in support of her new album Into the Peace. Throughout her career Beadman has garnered plenty of critical praise and comparisons to artists like PJ Harvey, Cat Power, Nick Drake and Scott Walker, while her band features her old friend Mike Mills from REM, on keys and backing vocals.

Black Market Karma Thursday 13th September Tickets: £7.70 Presented by Acid Box

Lebeaux Thursday 20th September Tickets: £9 Presented by EmbraceAbility

Tarot Rats Friday 14th September Tickets: £5.50 Presented by Tarot Rats

Beneath The Embers Saturday 15th September Tickets: £4 Presented by Metal Massacre Records

The Snivellers / Porridge Radio Saturday 15th September Tickets: £3.85 Presented by Brighton Noise

Throw Down Bones Sunday 16th September Tickets: £7.70 Presented by Acid Box

Family Fiction Wednesday 12th September Tickets: £5 Presented by Scruff of the Neck

Terry Sunday 16th September Tickets: £9.90 Presented by Love Thy Neighbour

Nobunny Monday 17th September Tickets: £13.75 Presented by Stay Sick

PowerSolo Thursday 13th September Tickets: £11

Erika Wennerstrom Monday 17th September Tickets: £11 Presented by Love Thy Neighbour

Lumerians Tuesday 18th September Tickets: £7.70 Presented by Acid Box

SLUG Wednesday 19th September Tickets: £9.20 Presented by One Inch Badge & Love Thy Neighbour

Sextile Wednesday 19th September Tickets: £8.05 Presented by One Inch Badge

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The Hip Priests Friday 14th September Tickets: £5 OTD Presented by Apocalypse Dude Groundhogs Saturday 15th September Tickets: £11 Roger Hubbard Sunday 16th September Tickets: £11 Febueder Wednesday 19th September Tickets: £7 paris_monster Thursday 20th September Tickets: £7.70

Side-A Tuesday 11th September Tickets: £20 Presented by One Inch Badge

Concorde 2 Albert Hammond Jr Friday 21st September Tickets: £5 Presented by NDPNDNTS

RIALTO THEATRE The Haunt

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Bluestaeb Thursday 13th September Tickets: £4 Presented by QM Records

Yatao Wednesday 19th September Tickets: Donations Only

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Lost Horizons Monday 17th September Tickets: £13 Presented by Melting Vinyl

SJ Brett Saturday 15th September Tickets: £8.50

Crown The Empire – The Haunt – Tuesday 18th September 2018 Since forming in 2010, post-hardcore rockers Crown The Empire have been combining catchy choruses with heavy riffs. As a band that Post Malone once auditioned for, they’ve achieved plenty of success in their own right and there’s sure to be a range of material from the band’s first three albums, along with a preview of their newer work. With support from Volumes and Coldrain, it’s sure to be a night for fans to remember.

GIG LISTINGS

GIG LISTINGS

Clare Bowen Thursday 13th September Tickets: £24.75

Ocean Alley Tuesday 11th September Tickets: £11.25 Presented by One Inch Badge Catherine McGrath Saturday 15th September Tickets: £12

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Pale Waves Thursday 20th September Tickets: FREE Presented by Resident Music

Alabaster dePlume Saturday 15th September Tickets: £11 Presented by Dictionary Pudding

Black Honey Friday 21st September Tickets: FREE Presented by Resident Music

Oscar Jerome Thursday 20th September Tickets: £7.88 Presented by One Inch Badge The Pearl Hearts / Good Guy Clarence Friday 21st September Tickets: £6 Presented by Smashing Blouse

Sticky Mike's Frog Bar False-Heads Thursday 13th September Tickets: £5.50 Presented by Modern Age Music Saltwater Sun Friday 14th September Tickets: £6 Presented by Hidden Herd The Blank Tapes Monday 17th September Tickets: £5.50 Presented by Hot Wax & Monkeyland Promotions No Violet Thursday 20th September Tickets: £5.95 Presented by Strange Place

PATTERNS The Dualers Saturday 15th September Tickets: £16.50 Presented by Love Thy Neighbour

NIGHTLIFE Andrew Weatherall Friday 14th September Hideout 10.30pm - 3.30am (Disco Deviant finale)

Tash LC / LSDXOXO Friday 14th September Patterns 11pm - 4am (Blend of African jazz and dirty dancehall)

Little Festival Friday 14th September The Arch 11pm - 5am (Festival-influenced house music)

DJ Haus / DJ Normal 4 Saturday 15th September Patterns 11pm - 4am (Bombastic, sometimes outright ridiculous)

MEOKO x Rebel Beats Saturday 15th September Hideout 9pm - 6am (healing and hypnotic rhythms)

Skepsis / Sammy Virji Saturday 15th September The Arch 11pm - 5am (bass music, dubstep and electronic)

DJ Guv Saturday 15th September Concorde 2 11pm - 4am (Heavy bass sounds)

Hose Of Go Band! Saturday 15th September Green Door Store 11pm - 4am (All hail the God of disco)

OUT OF TOWN Neneh Cherry Wednesday 12th September Village Underground, London (Singer/songwriter) - 7.30pm

Arctic Monkeys Thursday 13th September The O2 Arena, London (Rock) - 6pm

Whyte Horses Thursday 13th September Royal Festival Hall, London (Alternative/indie) - 7pm

Soccer Mommy Thursday 13th September Scala, London (Singer/songwriter) - 7.30pm

Vodun Thursday 13th September Oslo Hackney, London (African thrash metal) - 7.30pm

Garbage Friday 14th & 15th September O2 Academy Brixton, London (Rock) - 7pm

Albert Hammond Jr Friday 14th September Electric Ballroom, London (Rock) - 7pm

One Eyed Jacks Friday 14 September 2018 Hootananny, Brixton (Funk-rock) - 9pm

Zion Train Saturday 15th September Lewes Con Club (Dub) - 7pm

WHY? Saturday 15th September Electric Ballroom, London (Hip-hop) - 6.30pm

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TOM

My first ever performance in Brighton was in a pub, three days after I arrived. It’s where I completely learnt my trade. It’s brutal, but that’s what you want

ODELL Throughout his career, Tom Odell has dealt with his fair share of critics, however, as he gets set to release his third album, Jubilee Road, Jeff Hemmings talks to the BRIT Award winner about his time at Brighton’s BIMM, his early open mic gigs and what to expect from his latest release

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here are some, whose lack of generosity of spirit is topped up by industrial strength bile, who simply cannot abide Tom Odell, the singer/songwriter. Back in 2013, the NME notoriously awarded Odell’s debut album no stars out of ten. That’s right, ZERO. In the review, the NME described the then 22-year-old singer as a “Poor, misguided wannabe who’s fallen into the hands of the music industry equivalent of Hungarian sex traffickers”. The reviewer added, “I wish I could say there’s a place in Hell reserved for Tom Odell. There’s not. Just loads more Brits.

He’ll be all over 2013 like a virulent dose of musical syphilis”. Harsh, and most definitely not fair. Yet, at least the NME was right in the sense that, once Lily Allen had ‘discovered’ him, Odell would soon be everywhere. The song ‘Another Love’ became a smash, the album went to number one, and Odell was literally everywhere for a while. His second album, Wrong Crowd, while over-produced, and garnering much less attention than the debut, still made it to number two. Underneath the hype and spite there was an obvious talent, one whose songs resonated with millions.

One who had worked for it the old fashioned way, writing prolifically, and playing anywhere that would have him. Album number three, Jubilee Road, is about to be released, with a tour of the UK to be undertaken shortly, and the former Brighton BIMM student sounds like he is in a good place, even if he has just woken up, apparently forgetting he had an interview lined up... “I’m awake. Got coffee now,” he says, groggily. “That’s all you need”, I say, mentioning I am on my second cup, and raring to have a chat with this critically underestimated artist. That coffee is all he needs. Odell’s

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We never really did a gig in-between size in Brighton. We went from pubs all around Brighton to The Haunt, just before my first album came out, and then next time it was the Brighton Centre. I always pinch myself that I am playing there. I used to cycle past it and think it was completely unobtainable

enthusiasm for Brighton, music, and life showing no bounds, and evidently excited by the prospect of the new album being heard, and visiting Brighton again, a place where it truly came together. “Brighton is the show that all my family always go to. It’s the one where I’m probably the most nervous for. I’m always most nervous when I know people in the audience.” Born and raised in Chichester, just over the border in West Sussex, Odell attended Seaford College before heading to Brighton to enrol at BIMM, eventually becoming perhaps its most famous alumni. However, first, there was the small matter of learning his craft. “My first ever performance in Brighton was in a pub, three days after I arrived. It was an open mic. I have to be honest, I think I did them all. I must have done 40 to 50 open mics in pubs. Anywhere that would have me, I would drag my keyboard along and play. “It’s where I completely learnt my trade. I learnt to perform at open mics. I can’t recommend any more highly to any young performer to do that. It puts you in such good stead, whatever the venue you are playing. Some pubs would be awful, but some would be incredible. It also taught me how to write songs, and getting feedback. It’s brutal, but that’s what you want. If you turn someone’s head, who is stood at the bar, drinking a pint, and you’re getting this instant feedback just from the body language, you think ‘that song is working’ or ‘that bit in that song is working’. I was writing in the day and doing shows in the evening.”

him into a steely character, able to withstand the body blows that the likes of the NME can try and deliver. Reared on Elton John records, and learning to play classical piano from age 11, music is in his blood, and there’s nothing more he likes than to perform live, be it in a pub, or in a large arena. “We never really did a gig in-between size in Brighton. We went from pubs all around Brighton to The Haunt, just before my first album came out, and then next time it was the Brighton Centre. I always pinch myself that I am playing there. I used to cycle past it and think it was completely unobtainable.” Jubilee Road is definitely a more optimistic affair than his previous two albums, works that were littered with failed relationships and bad living. Songs such as ‘If You Want To Love Somebody’ and ‘Wedding Day’ feature his trademark “joy tinged with melancholy”, and there is a loose concept that permeates throughout. “I wrote it all in one location, in the living room of this house, on this street. I knew what I wanted to write about, and lyrically the direction was much clearer. In terms of the feel and the sound it’s centred much more around the piano, and I really tried to strip down on the production and wanted the songs to be in their rawer form. A lot of the songs we recorded live. The concentration was on the performance and not spending hours in the studio adding things. I would very much say the songs are about the lyrics and the piano.”

Is Jubilee Road a real road? “It’s real in the sense that the road it’s based on is a real road. I called it Jubilee because my girlfriend and I, who I lived with at the time, we used to meet underneath this arch, which was called Jubilee Gate. It became that name. I didn’t want to call it the name of the road. It’s their road as much as it is mine. I lived there for a few years, and the characters in the songs are very inspired by the people who live in this road. But I think that’s interwoven by my imagination. I think that a lot of the characters, if they were to listen to the songs, the real characters that inspired them, I don’t know if they would completely recognise themselves, or even the road. For me, writing songs is about dreaming - you take the character, and you blink, and the character has got the face of someone else, and they are perhaps in a location where you don’t ever see them. It’s quite lucid. You’re always reaching for a feeling, and this feeling is steering the ship, rather than anything else. And so the facts aren’t that important, but it’s very inspired by this road, and it’s about community. It’s trying to give a snapshot of a time.” Tom claims that, like many artist do, “I can’t really listen to my albums, it’s too much of me.” The NME thought so, back in 2013, but whereas Odell is still full of life and optimism, and writing thoughtful, inspiring songs, where art thou NME...

LIVE REVIEWS

Devoid of awkward silences, and brimming with intense belly-laughs, ‘The Freewheeling’ Yo La Tengo was about as entertaining as a two hour show can be. It was a wonderful evening of exciting musical anecdotes, brilliant covers, and excellent renditions of Yo La Tengo classics. This can only go down as a success, and an incredibly unique Brighton experience. Hidden Herd’s very first festival was an eclectic affair showcasing bands from Brighton and further afield in an all-dayer that grew more and more in strength as it escalated up the bill. From prog-rock to operatic pop, this wasn’t only an entertaining day of music, it was an exciting portrayal of the strength of up-and-coming British guitar music. Brighton’s very own The Villas opened proceedings and were followed by performances from Safe to Swim, Yawwn, Drip Gloss, Beachtape and Hot Dreams. However, the most exciting band of the festival has to go to Londoner’s WOOZE, who provided the most captivating, dynamic and downright impressive set of the day, before Pelicandy, Another Sky and The Ninth Wave capped off a great day.

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ALBUM REVIEWS Anna Calvi – Hunter Out: 31st August 2018

Twinned with strong melodies, a musicality that is both raw and refined, and a disarming honesty, Hunter is about questioning, and ultimately dispensing with, Calvi’s own gender assumptions, while embracing her innate lust and animalistic spirit. She wants to be free to experience life as flesh and blood, without gender assumptions. As she sings on ‘As A Man’: “Something has changed, I feel it discreetly / Oh now I feel, now I feel you completely”.

Muncie Girls – Fixed Ideals Out: 31st August 2018

Devon’s own Muncie Girls’ first record managed to perfectly bridge the gap be tween punk and catchy indie-pop. The three-piece have managed to do the same this time around only with a deeper exploration into frontwoman Lande Hekt’s personal life, as she explores themes of metal health, family life and sexism. Fixed Ideals sees Hekt eloquently deliver these topics under the backdrop of catchy hooks and intense melodies.

Wild Nothing – Indigo Out: 31st August 2018

Jack Tatum’s long-term musical project has entered a variety of musical realms, with this next stage seeing a transition into 80s new wave. Indigo, Tatum’s fourth record, borrows different aspects from his previous work, whilst still managing to sound fresh and ambitions. With neater production and Tatum’s instrumentation blend far more experimental, he’s endeavoured to take a risk which he has pulled off.

White Denim – Performance Out: 24th August 2018

Nothing if not regular, Performance marks the eighth studio album in ten years from the Texan indie-rockers. It marks a new beginning of sorts, with a revamped lineup, The record as a whole feels like it has just staggered in through the door after a wild night out, breathless and ragged. At a little over half an hour, it is tight, lean and does exactly what it sets out to do, even with a slight tailing off in momentum towards its finale.

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This head down and hard work approach has worked for Tom. It has also turned

Jubilee Road Out: 12th October Sony Music

With joint vocalists and a sound from a bygone era, Shannon and The Clams turned The Haunt into a setting more accustomed to an American prom film. The sublime fusion of a 40s doo-wop sound, with 50s-style rock and roll intonations, on top of 80s LA punk is always fascinating, and provides an exotic, exciting and stimulating night of passion and fun.

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Very much part of an organically burgeoning guitar scene that includes the likes of The Big Moon, IDLES, Dream Wife, Shame, and many, many others, London’s Goat Girl have already released a brilliantly incisive, raw, and energetic self titled album. Made up of 19 songs in 40 minutes, the eponymous album is not afraid to tackle issues of social, political and ugly urban realities head on. Clottie Cream, Rosy Bones, Naima Jelly and L.E.D made up the four piece until recently, now Naima has announced her (amicable) departure and new bassist, Holly, will be filling in, including a date in Brighton, which was rescheduled from earlier this year, following a nasty accident involving Rosie. Brightonsfinest caught up with L.E.D to find out what the craic is

What’s happening today? No band stuff today. Just going to meet my mum and my little sister. Later on we’re going to a gig, me, Lottie and Naima. Rosie is away at the moment. Gonna see Treehouse. It’s being put on by this little label, Memorials of Distinction. I think they’re based in Brighton, aren’t they? I was recommended it. Should be good. I hear there’s a new band member? Naima the bassist is leaving the band. It’s a transient period. We don’t know what’s going on right now. We can’t commit to anyone joining the band until we’ve gone on tour with them and see if they fit. It’s a big decision. But, yes, we do have someone who will do the next few dates with us, and the re-scheduled band dates. You’re obviously still all friends... It wasn’t anything personal. It’s more of a lifestyle choice. I think the touring has got her down, which is understandable. There’s other things she wants to do with her life. Following the cancellation of your Brighton date back in April we were all wondering if you were going to make

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it to the The Great Escape! Rosie was still in a lot of pain so we did a slightly shorter set. Her burns were quite severe, so we had to take it easy. But, I think it was getting to that point on tour when something like that was bound to happen. We were all so knackered. It was one thing after the other. How was the show? I really like The Great Escape. I like Brighton as well, although I’m not sure I could live there. I also saw one of the girls out of The Big Moon doing her solo thing (Soph Nathan). That was quite good. But, didn’t get to see much. You’re sound checking, having dinner, fish and chips. How did Rosie manage to burn herself so severely? We were on a ferry. There were loads of pissed football fans, and it was 6am. Our sound guy was holding a tray of hot teas, without milk in, and one of them bashed into him. And he was stood over Rosie with the hot teas. She’s still quite scarred, physically, but she’s on the mend. You recently played Green Man festival. How was that?

I love that festival. It’s got to be my favourite. I was only there for one night, me and Naima. The rest of the band went for the weekend. One night at a festival is just enough for me. I don’t know how people can do the whole three-day blowout thing. I saw Del Osimi Afrobeat Orchestra, my favourite thing that I saw. We were in The Walled Garden, and the crowd was massive for that, which was quite surprising. Apparently, it was at full capacity, so it was one in, one out. Since then we’ve done a show at The Windmill, which was basically a bit of a party, because it was Naima’s last show with us. That must have been emotional. Yeah, it was. Everyone was crying. Apart from me, because I don’t think it has really hit me yet. I read you signed a deal with Rough Trade the day of the referendum result, 24 June 2016. How did that feel? It was quite bittersweet. The referendum was a weird one. I could understand both sides. It is quite an abstract concept in a lot of ways. Like being part of Europe. What does that mean? As regular people we don’t know what that means. It’s all these concepts which we don’t fully

understand. And maybe we’re made not to understand them. I understand why a lot of people wanted to leave Europe. There’s a lot of things with this country that aren’t as good as they should be. Even though the idea is that we would be better off financially, in Europe, I can see why people wanted out. At the end of the day it was a democratic decision. These people saying we need to have a second vote, that’s like liberals trying to say they don’t want democracy, in a way, even though I think we should be a part of Europe. How does a Goat Girl song come about? It’s mainly Lottie who comes in with a song, the guitar part and lyrics and then we all do our thing over the top, and it morphs into Goat Girl. People have talked about punk, postpunk and new wave bands from the past informing your sound. There was a lots of Pixies, Nirvana, and The Fall in my life, but also more chilled out stuff like Devandra Banhart and Woodbine which is where we get our harmonies from. My mum would always play funk and soul, and world music, afrobeat

and stuff. My dad was more indie, folk, and hip-hop. I think when I was about 11 the punk aesthetic and attitude appealed to me. Me, Naima and Lottie would always go to gigs together. How did you all meet and get your first jam together? I think it was after a party and me, Naima and Lottie stayed over together somewhere, and then we ended up playing each other songs, and playing over each other the next day. Your sound is very organic. We were doing it for the fun of it, and never saw it as a job. There’s nothing wrong with that but there are bands whose goal is to get signed and put a record out. We were never that ambitious with it at the beginning. At the point we got signed everyone was like, ‘This is fucking crazy!’ ‘Is it?’ ‘I guess so’. Because we were so young. Do you think there is a London scene? There’s The Windmill which has a lot of good stuff coming out of, where bands put each other on. But what goes on in the venues I’m talking about is diverse. What about the explosion of female

musicians. Is it relevant to feel a part of that? Definitely, although I have split feelings. Although I feel it’s a brilliant thing for women, I’m also quite cynical, thinking that feminism is becoming this thing that is quite sell-able. I’m glad that more women are in the spotlight, but I don’t think it should be seen as this thing, ‘woah, isn’t so crazy and wonderful that women are getting the attention they deserve’. It’s what should have always happened. There’s always been really good female artists, they just haven’t always had the attention before this point. Our lyrics do talk about female sex and being spied on by creepy men, so I get why people ask us about these things. But if there is an all-female band that addresses anything like that, then why are you asking them about feminism? But, it’s not only women that are repressed. The patriarchy oppresses men just as much. That’s something that needs to be talked about more. Men opening up and talking about how they feel. Male suicide rates are higher, that needs to be addressed. To read the full Q&A with L.E.D. visit Brightonsfinest.com/GoatGirl

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BRIGHTONSFINEST MUSIC GUIDE ISSUE 19  

Featuring Tom Odell and Goat Girl interviews.

BRIGHTONSFINEST MUSIC GUIDE ISSUE 19  

Featuring Tom Odell and Goat Girl interviews.

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