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Carr brothers had differing theories about JFK’s death
Where were you? Bystanders vividly remember Kennedy’s death 50 years later
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Bonnie Baker and some friends were driving through Oak Cliff, an area in downtown Dallas, celebrating the start of the weekend and a concert date for later that night. A policeman pulled them over. “He told us to get ourselves back across town where we belong. As we were going back, we got really scared,” said Baker. They came upon a traffic jam and saw a motorcade go past. Baker left the car to see what was going on. “They said
somebody had been shot,” she said. It was Nov. 22, 1963. “So finally, traffic pulled out. We knew someone had been shot, we didn’t know who. Then it came over the radio that it had been the president. … We went back to school and that’s where it came over the loudspeaker that the president of the United States was dead,” she said. Almost 50 years after President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Baker and other Lubbock residents who either saw Kennedy or were nearby on that tragic day shared their memories. SEE BYSTANDERS, page A6
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Robert Carr and Waggoner Carr kept up a running discussion for years about a moment in history as only brothers can. With one a doctor and the other attorney general of Texas, that only made their dissection of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination more intellectually intriguing. “Waggoner and I talked about this quite a lot W. Carr because I was very interested in it, as everyone was,” Robert said recently at his Lubbock home. And though Waggoner died in February 2004, he fulfilled a promise to Robert to write a letter stating his final opinion about how the president died: Was it conspiracy or the intricate workings of a madman? Waggoner, as attorney general, either attended or had someone from his office attend each of the Warren Commission’s meetings in Dallas following the death and burial of President Kennedy in November 1963. He was in a good position to study the technical investigation. But Robert, like many other Americans, believed the likelihood of one man hitting a moving target with just three bullets fired was so small it must be indicative of conspiracy.
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Even 50 years after his death, the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy is a fertile ground for conspiracy theories. “People were wondering, ‘Well, who did it? Why did they do it? Are they going to come invade us?’” said Bonnie Baker of Lubbock, who was in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. “At that time we were so afraid.”
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Groups organizing effort to help Philippine typhoon victims *8. Jeanie Holloway – On the courthouse steps in Fort Worth
As dead bodies piled up on the streets of Tacloban after a powerful typhoon made landfall in the Philippines on Nov. 8, Raphael and Consita Nartea of Lubbock have been watching news broadcasts from their home country for news about their families. Raphael Nartea said his wife has a large family in one of the hardest areas hit by Typhoon Hai-
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yan. She was able to speak to her family before the storm hit, but hasn’t heard from them since. She managed to get a hold of their neighbors who said her family fled their home, now underwater, but have also not heard from them. Unlike the Nartea family, Nimfa Aguilar knows her family made it through the storm
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PHILADELPHIA — When a high school newspaper at a suburban Philadelphia football powerhouse decided the word “Redskins” had no place in its pages, the paper’s student editors found themselves called to the principal’s office. The dispute between Neshaminy High School’s paper, the Playwickian, and school administrators is a strange twist on the fight over what students can and can’t say: this time it’s the students urging restraint. The Playwickian editors started getting heat from school officials after an Oct. 27 editorial that barred the use of the word “Redskins” — the nickname of the teams at Neshaminy, a school named for the creek where the Lenape Indians once lived.
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safely. Her mother lives close to the storm’s path in the Visayan reagion, but only received heavy rains, she said. “I am very thankful,” she said. Aguilar, who is on the board of the Filipino-American Association of the South Plains, said there are about 250 Filipino families living in the area. Her association is setting up a bank account to receive donations to help typhoon victims.
Filipino nurses at Covenant Medical Center are organizing a fundraiser for typhoon victims, she said. The money will be turned over to her group which will decide which aid organizations get it. “We want to make sure that the Filipino people will get it,” she said. One such group is the Missionary Sisters of the Lord’s Table, she said. SEE TYPHOON, page A8
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Famous JFK quotes “My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” “If we are strong, our strength will speak for itself. If we are weak, words will be of no help.”
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“Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.” “Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.” “As we face the coming challenge, we, too, shall wait upon the Lord, and ask that he renew our strength. Then shall we be equal to the test. Then, we shall not be weary. And then we shall prevail.”
— Democratic nomination acceptance speech, Los Angeles, July 1960
“In a campaign very much like this one, one hundred years ago, when the issues were the same [Abraham Lincoln] wrote to a friend, ‘I know there is a God, and I know He hates injustice. I see the storm coming and I know His hand is in it. But if He has a place and a part for me, I believe that I am ready.’ Now, one hundred years later, when the issue is still freedom or slavery, we know there is a God and we know He hates injustice. We see the storm coming, and we know His hand is in it. But if He has a place and a part for me, I believe that we are ready.” “Today every inhabitant of this planet must contemplate that day when this planet may no longer be habitable. Every man, woman and child lives under the sword of Damocles, hanging by the slenderest of threads, capable of being cut at any moment by accident or miscalculation or madness. The weapons of war must be abolished before they abolish us.”
— Address to the United Nations General Assembly, September 1961
“My fellow Americans, let us take that first step. Let us…step back from the shadows of war and seek out the way of peace. And if that journey is a thousand miles, or even more, let history record that we, in this land, at this time, took the first step.”
— Radio and television address to the American people on the Limited Test Ban Treaty, July 1963
“If an American, because the color of his skin is dark, cannot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the public, if he cannot send his children to the best public schools available, if he cannot vote for those public officials that represent him, if, in short, he cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, then who among us would be content to have the color of his skin changed and stand in his place? Who among us would then be content with the counsels of patience and delay?”
— Address to the nation, Civil Rights, June 1963
“Let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate.”
Inaugural Address, Washington, D.C., January 1961
What students are learning about JFK’s death BY Natalie Gross A-J Media
Roscoe Wilson Elementary School teacher Gail Tutino was 22 and in her first year of teaching fifth grade in Omaha, Neb., when she got word that her president had been killed. She remembers having heard people’s concerns about John F. Kennedy’s visit to Texas and then being hit with grief and emotional shock herself Tutino when she heard the awful news of his death. “I’m sure I cried. I’m upset, and I’m a kid too,” she said, remembering that moment in an interview Wednesday, Nov. 13. “All I know is I went in the classroom, and I told them.” Tutino recently reached out to her former students of that fifth grade class — now adults in their sixties — to find out if any of them remembered how she broke the news to them on Nov. 22, 1963. One man told Tutino he recalled her saying, “Something has happened in our country that has happened before.” They were studying U.S. history that year in their fifth grade curriculum, and Tutino said she was probably referencing President Lincoln’s assassination, though the details are foggy. More clear to her are the memories of the 1960 election when her
generation fell in love with the handsome, young democratic candidate with a beautiful family who offered them hope for the future. Details about Kennedy’s presidency appear in fifth and 11th grade U.S. history textbooks as well as in 10th grade world history and 12th grade government. When the assassination appears in the text, it’s often used as a segue into a discussion on succession in the executive Rodela branch as well as the rise of the Lyndon B. Johnson administration. Teachers can use their own discretion in deciding how to discuss it, since the assassination itself is not a tested topic at any grade level, said Joni Rodela, social studies coordinator for Lubbock Independent School District. Ron Vick — who teaches academic government to juniors and seniors at Lubbock High School — said he showed his students the infamous Zapruder film this year after securing parental permission because of the graphic content. They also watched a video of Dr. Robert McClelland telling his story — an account from the perspective of Kennedy’s operating room — which Vick recorded in Dallas last year. McClelland, who testified
in front of the Warren Commission, shows viewers the white dress shirt he wore in the operating room that has been stained with Kennedy’s blood for the last 50 years. Vick said those clips were just two of the numerous day-of anecdotes students are sure to see on TV this fall, and he wanted to give them background information to form their own theories surrounding the events of that fateful Vick fall day. For an assignment, Vick tells his students to answer the question, “Conspiracy? Why or why not?” “It really has brought up a lot of discussion in class,” Vick said. “It’s an integral part of our history.” The Kennedy assassination is taught as a side note — though an important one — to the profiles on each president Vick’s government students study during the semester. Students will also be looking at pieces of the book “When the News Went Live” by Bob Huffaker, a journalist in Dallas at the time, next week, Vick said. Tutino, now 72, said she, too, will probably talk about the Kennedy assassination — though more delicately with her elementary-aged students — in her gifted and talented classroom next week.
But as Tutino herself watches documentaries and films replaying the events, she’s flooded with emotion in memory of those dark days. “Every time I see Caroline go to the casket and John John salute, I just cry,” she said. “There had been such hope for this president, and he was so young.” As she collected her thoughts, Tutino turned to a letter from her former student, Joleen Smith David, who Tutino said expressed her thoughts beautifully. “Every moment, every scene — Mrs. Kennedy kissing the coffin, little John’s salute, the ravaged face behind her widow’s veil — all of it was seared into my memory, and the sorrow that settled on my heart has never truly lifted. He was my president ... How could someone want to kill him? I did not understand. I do not understand.” The last sentence of David’s reflections were especially striking to Tutino, echoing her own sentiments. “We can’t know what he may have accomplished had he lived. What I do know is that something trusting and hopeful and innocent inside me, and inside so many of my peers, died with him.” firstname.lastname@example.org 766-2194 Follow Natalie on Twitter @AJ_NatalieGross
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As Kennedy and his wife Jacqueline rode through downtown Fort Worth on that morning, hundreds lined the streets to greet them and catch what would become some of the last glimpses of the president. “This is President Kennedy,” said Jeanie Holloway, then a member of the Polytechnic High School band, as she pointed to a yearbook photo documenting the experience. “He stood up and waved at us. We saw him one-onBaker one just a few yards (away).” The 115 members of the band were arranged on the steps of the courthouse in downtown Fort Worth just a few blocks from the hotel where the Kennedys stayed the night before. They received the opportunity to play in the parade through a contest during Holloway Holloway’s senior year. Leading up the Nov. 22, Holloway said her classmates were excited. “They didn’t believe that we actually had the chance to ... see President Kennedy,” she said. “Everybody was talking about it ... We were very excited.”
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Joan and Tom Tenner recall living in Dallas at the time of the Kennedy assassination at their home in South Lubbock.
Why Kennedy was in Texas Kennedy was wrapping up a multi-day trip to Texas to raise funds and campaign for reelection, wrote Sean Cunningham, associate professor of history at Texas Tech, in an email to the Avalanche-Journal. “He wanted to lay the groundwork for his reelection campaign in 1964 and came to Texas, in part, to mend political fences that were being built within the Texas Democratic Party between liberal and conservative factions,” he wrote. “He gave several speeches over the course of this multi-day trip.” The day’s schedule included a morning speech at his hotel in Fort Worth, a lunch speech at the Dallas Trade Mart and an afternoon speech in Austin, Cunningham wrote. As the president traveled to the Carswell Air Force Base where he would depart for Love Field, he shook several hands and waved at the crowd.
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Joan Tenner holds newspapers documenting President Kennedy’s visit to Dallas and assassination.
Almost shaking Kennedy’s hand “We waited around (downtown Fort Worth),” said Jerry Swafford, who was visiting Fort Worth. “They had barricades set up on the street. We waited there around 30 minutes. He was walking and she was riding in that convertible car.” Swafford saw President Kennedy up close. “The man in front of me stuck Swafford his arm out and shook hands with President Kennedy,” Swafford said. “If I had stretched, I could have.” When the presidential entourage passed, Swafford and his friend departed for lunch and the Polytechnic band members filed back on their bus to head back to school.
Love Field As things wound down in Fort Worth, final preparations for the arrival of Air Force One were being made at Love Field, said Waymon Williams. Williams was working for Greater Southwest International Airport at that time. “If they fly in there, if they had any problems, we’d be there to fix the problems and back out they’d Williams go,” Williams said of his job. That morning, a plane was blocking the area where Air Force One was going to land and the area where the presidential motorcade that would carry Kennedy through Dallas would park. Williams was instructed to drive out to
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An invitation for Joan Tenner to a lunch President Kennedy was to attend before his assassination is pictured along with several obituaries. Love Field and move the plane out of the way. The president’s flight was scheduled to arrive at gate nine, he said. Williams watched the plane land and the motorcade whisk the Kennedys away to their next destination — a lunch banquet in Dallas.
Along the motorcade route Schools let students out to watch the president, and Ken Noteware took advantage of the opportunity. “I had a friend who had a driver’s license and he was a Democrat and he was a big Kennedy fan,” Noteware said. “(School officials) told us if we went to go see the president, we could get out of school. So we went down and parked the car.”
Noteware and his friend walked four or five blocks to catch a glimpse of the Kennedys. “I was there about two minutes before he got shot,” he said. “I saw him go past us in the motorcade.” Noteware and his friend stayed just long enough to see Kennedy pass by before going to get refreshments before heading back to school. “We found a place right before they made the turn in front of the school book depository. We saw him go by and Jackie had her pink dress on. She had a big hat on and they waved and everybody waved and we turned around and walked back to our car,” he said.
Moments before the shots Richard Adams was working a few blocks from Dealey Plaza on Kennedy’s last day. “I stepped out in all the masses of people and saw him,” Adams said. “That was my second time to see John F. Kennedy.” The first time was during Kennedy’s campaign stop in Lubbock, he said. “He was very charismatic,” Adams said. “He was very impresAdams sive.” As the president’s motorcade passed the Texas School Book Depository where Adams was fixing an elevator, he stepped out of the building to greet Kennedy with the crowd during his last few moments of life. “I turned around and went back inside the building,” he said. “I didn’t hear the shots, but SEE BYSTANDERS, page A9
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Across The Nation WASHINGTON President Barack Obama will visit John F. Kennedy’s gravesite and honor two of Kennedy’s lasting initiatives as the nation observes the 50th anniversary of his assassination in the coming week. Obama and his wife, Michelle, will be accompanied by former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary, at a wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery on Wednesday afternoon. Also that day, Obama will be joined by scores of prominent Americans who have received the Presidential Medal of Freedom in paying tribute to Kennedy’s legacy. CHILLICOTHE, Ohio A county judge in southern Ohio who donned blackface for a Halloween party has apologized for the costume and met with a local NAACP leader about the issue. Ross County Common Pleas Judge Scott Nusbaum was photographed at a party wearing dark makeup, a pink dress and a gray wig, the Chillicothe Gazette reported. Local NAACP President Olie Burton, who met with Nusbaum on Friday, said the judge explained that he chose to dress as a servant while Nusbaum’s wife dressed as Scarlett O’Hara from “Gone with the Wind.” Nusbaum told the Gazette he regrets the costume and called it thoughtless and insensitive. STATE COLLEGE, Pa. A Penn State University student is dead after he fell from the ninth floor balcony of an off-campus apartment building. State police said 20-yearold Conor Macmannis was pronounced dead at the scene early Saturday. The fall occurred at 3:43 a.m. at the Penn Towers building on Beaver Avenue. Police say a preliminary investigation indicates drugs and alcohol apparently were factors in the fall. SEATTLE A U.S. Army soldier has been charged with premeditated murder in the deaths of two civilians during the Iraq war. A Joint Base LewisMcChord release on Friday says that Sgt. 1st Class Michael Barbera was charged for the 2007 killings. The charges stem from an investigation into the shootings of two people near the village of As Sadah in the Diyala Province on March 6, 2007. Officials say Barbera is currently assigned to Joint Base ElmendorfRichardson in Alaska. They say Barbera is not in pre-trial confinement, but is awaiting a transfer to the Washington state base. While Barbera has been charged, the next step is an Article 32 investigation which decides if he should be court martialed. No date has been scheduled for the Article 32. BRIEFLY ... FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Authorities said Saturday that they’ve likely found the body of a Florida man who they say fell out of a private plane, three days into a land and sea search that included parts of the Atlantic Ocean near Miami. SEATTLE — Seattle voters have elected a socialist to city council for the first time in modern history. Kshama Sawant’s lead continued to grow on Friday, prompting 16-year incumbent Richard Conlin to concede. NEW YORK — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who played a central role in the government’s response to the financial crisis of 200809, is joining private equity firm Warburg Pincus LLC. Compiled from wire reports
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bystanders: Williams saw casket lifted into plane FROM page A6 I did hear the people outside the building saying he had been shot. I went down to the location and of course, lots of people were milling around and lots of confusion. By that time, he was probably already at Parkland Hospital.”
Dallas Trade Mart When news of the events down the street got back to the Dallas Trade Mart, Kennedy’s destination, Joan Tenner could sense a change in the mood of the room. “All of a sudden, I see all these people standing off to the sides and they all looked so concerned,” she said. Tenner approached someone holding a radio and was shocked and in disbelief to hear the president had been shot. “But sure enough, somebody got on to the podium and said, ‘Can we have your attention please. Let’s all say a prayer because we have heard that the president has been shot.’ And they said, ‘We’ll let you know as soon as we have further news.’ So I guess it was 10 minutes later, you kind of lose track of time after news like that, the person got on the podium and said, ‘We just got the news that the president is dead.’ ” The crowd stood around for a few minutes after hearing the news then got up to leave, she said. When Joan and her husband Tom Tenner had arrived downtown that morning, the city was busy, Joan said. A friend of the couple offered Joan a ticket to the luncheon where Kennedy would speak. “I wouldn’t walk across the street to see any famous person. But for Kennedy, I was very anxious to be able to say I was there and I saw him,” she said. The couple had parked their car and headed in separate directions — Tom to a business lunch at a restaurant on Industrial Boulevard and Joan to the Trade Mart. “As we arrived at the market hall, the crowd was building and we were standing around and it was just moments before the president was to get there,” Joan said. “They were wheeling in these huge wagons of hot steaks, that’s how close the timing was.” A few blocks away, a waitress broke the news to Tom Tenner and his business associate. “It was about a block and a half away from Dealey Plaza right there on Indus-
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Joan Tenner holds a copy of the obituary of President John F. Kennedy. trial Boulevard,” he said. “A waitress came and said something about the president has been shot. And of course, nobody believed that. It was still shocking. And pretty soon it was confirmed.” Afterward, Joan Tenner said people were overcome with grief. “There were people everywhere. Along the sidewalks when we were heading for our car, the people were just bent over with handkerchiefs and whatever to their faces because they were so teary-eyed, they could hardly see where they were going. They were totally grief stricken. It was a sad thing to witness,” she said. “Everybody sent everybody home because everybody was crying,” she said. “The city went on lockdown, practically. Nobody could do anything in light of the news.”
Back at Love Field Williams watched Kennedy’s return as a casket was lifted on to the plane confirming rumors circling the airport. “It wasn’t long before the news was all over the place about that he actually died,” he said. “They brought him back out to the same airplane and took him the same way back. I stood there and watched them load the casket on the airplane and during that process, we were told that Vice President (Lyndon) Johnson was being sworn in.
… So they got all that done and got on the plane and took off. When they brought his body back, FBI, Secret Service men were all across the top of the terminal. More when he came in then when he left.”
Aftermath and Oswald’s death Kennedy’s death struck an emotional chord with many people, Tech’s Cunningham wrote in the email. Many people grieved his death like a family member’s, he wrote. In the days that followed, the nation mourned with Jackie and her two children, Cunningham said. Americans stayed glued to their televisions and radios listening for developments in the case. When Lee Harvey Oswald was assassinated that Sunday, many watched the live coverage on television. Noteware recalled, “Afterwards, it was really somber. We didn’t go to school for the whole next week. Everybody was just kind of chaos around the city. When (Jack) Ruby shot Oswald, everybody thought ‘oh no.’ ” Cunningham said people were disappointed that Oswald wouldn’t have a trial launching talk of conspiracy theories. “It was shocking,” Cunningham said. “It was jarring. It was scary. Lee Har-
vey Oswald was the first person ever killed on live television. Certainly, Americans immediately began to wonder why he was killed
and whether or not he was essentially silenced as part of a large conspiracy. The floodgates opened at that moment on people who believed there’s more to the story than just one lone gunman. … The fact that he was killed prevented a trial from happening, prevented closure and added to the scary nature of the weekend.” In the next week, sounds of a drum roll and visions of Kennedy’s son saluting his father during the funeral were imprinted in the minds of those who tuned in to watch marking the ordeal as unforgettable for those who saw him on his last day. “I said that’s as close to history as I ever want to be,” Joan Tenner said. “You can’t wipe it away.” email@example.com 766-8795 Follow Ellysa on Twitter @AJ_Ellysa