CNN.com - Transcripts Return to Transcripts main page CNN NEWSROOM Petit Murder New webhost Trial Underway; UPS My Choice; Countdown to the Emmys; Reno Crash Investigation; Death Row Inmate's Last Chance; Minimum Tax for Millionaires; Opposition Politics; Learning at Your Own Pace Aired September 18, 2011 - 19:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Don Lemon. Welcome to the second hour of the CNN NEWSROOM. So let's get you caught up on the news right now. We're going to start in Nevada and some important new developments in the investigation into that deadly plane crash Friday at the Reno Air Race. It turns out the plane contained equipment that may help determine what caused the disaster. Nine people died in the accident, including the pilot. Almost 70 others were injured. CNN's Dan Simon standing by for us in Reno; so Dan, what's the latest from investigators now? DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they held their last news conference for this crash. We can tell you that they found what I guess you could describe as sort of a crude black box in the debris. It records things like oil pressure, speed, RPM. All that data is recorded on a memory card and it's also wirelessly transmitted to the flight crew. That's how it was in this configuration. So either way, that data exists. And crews also reveal -- authorities revealed that there was also a camera on board that aircraft, that P-51. This is what NTSB officials had to say just a little while ago. Take a look. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MARK ROSENKER, BOARD MEMBER, NTSB: For new information, first of all, there had been reports about a mayday from the pilot. Thus far, our investigators have found no information of a mayday call from the pilot. Next, the investigators have found that the accident aircraft was equipped with a video camera, facing outward. They have also found camera fragments at the wreckage site. And among the wreckage site, they have found multiple memory cards that could have come from the camera. (END VIDEO CLIP) SIMON: So Don, that's what we know at this point. All of that information is going to be shipped off to the NTSB lab in Washington. We should tell you that this would have been the very last day for these races. Normally, there would be thousands of people out here. Of course, a huge economic loss for Reno, the fact that they had to cancel the weekend, the economic loss is going to be in the tens of
millions of dollars. They -- they of course, hope that these races will be back next year, but at this point, no one knows -- Don. LEMON: Hey Dan, can you tell us about this? I hear that there is a special blood bank that has been set up? SIMON: Well, there are multiple blood banks after the victims were taken to the hospital. Obviously, you had many casualties. Word went out that they were -- they were in urgent need of blood. And the community really responded, there were lots of different blood banks that were opened. There were basically lines up the door, there was one blood bank at a church this morning that we went to and the community response has really been overwhelming. At this point, they appear to have enough blood. So that's good news right there -- Don. LEMON: Dan Simon, thank you very much. Michael Joseph Woegen was one of the people killed in the crash. The 22-year-old, seen here in the middle, was there with his father. They were on vacation. Michael had muscular dystrophy and was in a wheelchair. In a statement, his brother says, quote, "He was about moving past that disability and always driven towards independence. His motto in life was, 'the only disability in life is a bad attitude'." Another plane crash is under investigation this weekend. This one in West Virginia, it happened at an air show in Martinsburg. The pilot of the T-28 had just completed an acrobatic demonstration on Saturday when the plane dived -- I should say -- toward the ground. Investigators are talking to witnesses to try to figure out what caused that crash. In his first interview since charges of sexual assault were dropped, Dominique Strauss-Kahn says the only thing he's guilty of is moral weakness. The former head of the International Monetary Fund told a French television station today that his relationship with a New York hotel maid was a, quote, "error, a mistake". CNN's Jim Bittermann reports now from Paris. JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It was Strauss-Kahn's first chance to tell his side of the story and he used about 20 minutes of French television time tonight to do that. He expressed his regret about having missed his rendezvous, as he put it, with the French people for the presidential campaign of 2012, and he said his regrets continue to this day. He said he was guilty of a moral failing. He also talked about the prosecutor's report, which he says vindicated him. Here's the way he put it. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DOMINIQUE STRAUSS-KAHN, FORMER INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND CHIEF (through translator): You need to read carefully the report of the prosecutor. What does it say? It says Nafissatou Diallo lied about everything, not only about her past, but about the facts. The report says that she gave so many different versions of the facts that the prosecutor could not believe it any longer. He says in almost every interview we had with her, she lied. It was surreal. That is the word he used.
The charges were dropped because there are no more accusations. If there had been the slightest accusations remaining, then, there would have been a trial. (END VIDEO CLIP) BITTERMANN: One of the things many people have asked about is his relationship with his wife, Ann Sinclair, who stood by him through this whole affair. Here's what he had to say about his relationship with his wife. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) STRAUSS-KAHN (through translator): She is an exceptional woman. I wouldn't have existed through all of this if she hadn't been there. I'm incredibly fortunate to have her by my side. I have hurt her, I realize this, I regret this. You know, she would not have stood by me from the very first second this happened if she had not known that I was innocent. (END VIDEO CLIP) BITTERMANN: As far as his political future, Strauss-Kahn said he's basically not going to be a candidate for the presidential elections. He said he's not going to get involved in the primaries. Here's the way he put it when he was asked about what his future might be. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) STRAUSS-KAHN (through translator): I told you, I am a candidate of nothing. I am going to rest and reflect. I am going to take the time to be with my friends and family. Take the time to think. But I spent my whole life in trying to be useful to the public and we'll see. (END VIDEO CLIP) BITTERMANN: All sorts of reactions to what Strauss-Kahn has to say this evening. His supporters hoping, perhaps, that this is a first step towards getting Strauss-Kahn back into politics. But others don't quite see it that way. In fact, a public opinion poll released earlier today indicates that about 53 percent of the French would hope that Strauss-Kahn would step out of politics for good. Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris. LEMON: All right. Jim. Well, Strauss-Kahn says he doesn't intend to negotiate any kind of settlement with his accuser, who has filed a civil lawsuit against him. At 10:00 p.m. Eastern, I'm going to speak with her attorney to get his reaction to today's interview. You know, it's going to be at least a few more days before two American hikers are freed from prison in Iran. An attorney for Josh Fattal and Shane Bauer said today a judge who must sign the paperwork to free the two, well he's on vacation until Tuesday. Meanwhile, a delegation of American Muslim and Christian leaders asked Iran's president to release
the hikers. President Ahmadinejad said recently the pair would be released in a couple of days. Well, the two Americans have been held for more than two years on spying charges after being arrested while hiking along the Iran/Iraq border. In Venezuela this weekend, a dancing President Hugo Chavez told cheering crowds in Caracas that he is heading back to Cuba for his fourth and possibly final round of chemotherapy. Chavez announced in June that doctors had removed a cancerous tumor for his body. Well, he is pledging to run for re-election next year, dismissing speculation that his illness could force him out of politics. In less than 24 hours, a five-person panel decides whether Troy Davis will be executed on Wednesday or granted clemency. We'll look at the history and the makeup of this panel, next. Also, on Monday President Obama announces the Buffett Rule. It's a plan to raise taxes on the very wealthy. And guess who's unhappy about it? That's right. Republicans. We'll drill down on the pros and the cons, straight ahead. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HOLMES: Troy Davis knows the exact moment that he's supposed to die, and it's getting closer by the minute now, unless a Georgia State Parole Board takes action. On Monday morning, the fivemember panel will hear Davis's request for clemency. He is scheduled to be put to death on Wednesday for the 1989 fatal shooting of Savannah officer, Mark MacPhail. Now, the execution has already been postponed three times to reconsider evidence. Well, Davis maintains his innocence and seven of nine witnesses in his case later recanted their testimony. Now well, he's the focus of a large-scale international -- international campaign to save his life. So CNN's David Mattingly is following the story. He's going to be at that clemency hearing tomorrow. David, tell us about the people who will be deciding Davis's fate. DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The State of Georgia puts all the authority in clemency cases with this five-member board. And these five people literally have the power of life and death in this case, as they do in all death row cases. They'll be looking at the evidence that's been piling up on this case, but this isn't the first time it's come across this board. They denied him clemency once before in 2008. They also delayed his execution once before. They are very familiar with this case, there's going to be very little new that's going to be coming before them. And people are wondering now -- there are three new members on this board that were not part of that board in 2008 -- people are wondering now, will all this ground swell of public support somehow have an effect on this board? Well, will these three members be the three votes they need to make sure that Troy Davis maybe this time gets clemency and gets off of death row? LEMON: Am I correct that every person on this board, conservative, was put there, appointed by conservative governors, right? MATTINGLY: That's right. They all have. And a lot of attention is being focused on the three new members, but they do all come from law enforcement backgrounds or justice backgrounds. One is the former head of the State Corrections Department. One is the former head of the Juvenile Justice Department. One is a state legislature -- legislator who was very close to the Department of Corrections and all the legislation that affected them. LEMON: The person we had was James earlier, and then this one is Albert Murray, as well, and you
said appointed by a Republican Governor Sonny Perdue as well. Who's the next person? Let's -- so there you go. MATTINGLY: Yes. LEMON: So we'll keep going and this one, same thing. So you get -- you get the picture. The question is, in the past, when they have had to deal with these -- with similar situations, how are they -- what has been the outcome? MATTINGLY: In more than the last 30 years, they've looked at 63 death row cases. And that's their job. LEMON: Yes. MATTINGLY: They look at this to decide if the person should go on with their execution. They've looked at 63 of these execution -- of these people scheduled to be executed and 54 cases they've denied clemency, including one already for Troy Davis. But something really important to look at here, of all the cases that they've denied clemency in, every time they've gone back to look at it again, they have not changed their mind. So this is an extraordinary case and if they go back on that previous decision, one more extraordinary thing about it. LEMON: All right, David Mattingly. Thanks very much. David, we'll be there tomorrow on Monday, thank you very much. President Obama unveils a new plan Monday to create jobs. It's called the Buffett tax and it's raising eyebrows among Republicans. That discussion is coming up next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: All right. We're going to go live now, back to Los Angeles, the Emmy awards are about to get underway in a little bit. And I'm going to go to Kareen Wynter. Kareen, I understand that you have a very special person whose show is actually premiering tomorrow night and he's up against someone who used to work on his show. KAREEN WYNTER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: very special person, indeed, John Cryer from "Two and a Half Men" and is lovely wife, Lisa Joyner. We are live on CNN. You could be the man of the night. I know you're going up against some tough competitors in the supporting actor comedy category, Eric Stonestreet from "Modern Family, Ed O'Neil, but John Cryer, it could be your night. JOHN CRYER, EMMY NOMINEE, BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: It could be. However, unfortunately, I believe that O'Neil should have won about 12 Emmys from "Married with Children", so he's actually kind of do. LISA JOYNER, WIFE OF JOHN CRYER: Ask him if he's prepared a speech. WYNTER: Are you prepared? CRYER: I am not prepared in any way. But I wasn't when I actually did win, so that's good.
WYNTER: You have a lot going on, John, you're getting your star on the Hollywood walk of fame. Oh, your own show, the uber successful show "Two and a Half Men" premieres tomorrow. Are you going to sleep tonight? CRYER: Of course, I'm going to sleep tonight because I'm going to be so dehydrating from standing out here in the burning sun. It's so hot. It's hot every year and we wear tuxedos. It's really dumb. WYNTER: And leather. CRYER: And leather; I'm wearing a leather tuxedo. What was I thinking? WYNTER: Oh, you look so dapper. I know you're looking forward to the show. You're going to be on the edge of your seat with your big nomination. But I have to ask you, we're hearing some buzz that Charlie could be making an appearance tonight. Would you be surprised? CRYER: I wouldn't be surprised. This is on the Fox Network this year. But I would love to see him. It's been months, and, you know, nobody wishes him more goodness in life than me, so, you know, I'd love to see him. WYNTER: And "Two and a Half Men", Ashton Kutcher, what's it been like working with him? CRYER: Ashton's a blast. Enormous amount of energy, fearless, does whatever they ask of him and more. And stuff we don't ask him to do, he does over and over and over. But it's an incredible jolt of energy. WYNTER: Well, best of luck tonight. You have a long carpet ahead of you. Enjoy the show, really, and the star tomorrow, just really enjoy the night. Take it in and I hope Jane Lynch is everything you expect. All right, Don, I know we're tight on time. We'll send it back to you. LEMON: Hey, there's a madman behind you, by the way, I just wanted to tell you. Standing behind you. There you go. Other side. WYNTER: Oh, there is? LEMON: Other way. Look behind you, look behind. WYNTER: It's so hard to keep focused. So many things going on. LEMON: There he is. Thank you. Thank you. WYNTER: Which one, which one, Don? LEMON: He's right there. Kareen, he's right there. All right. Thank you Kareen. WYNTER: Oh, there you go. I thought -- I'm so sorry. I didn't hear what you were saying, Don. I thought you were saying something else. Of course, "Mad Men", yes -- IFVs, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't -- of course, "Mad Men".
LEMON: Thank you, Kareen. We appreciate it. When we come right back, we're going to talk some politics. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: You know the thing called the Warren Buffett Rule, and Republicans are already blasting it as class warfare. Tomorrow, President Obama will unveil a new minimum income tax on people making more than $1 million a year. I'm sure the Tea Party has some thoughts on it, so we asked Amy Kremer, the chairwoman of the Tea Party Express to stop by tonight; and then in Washington, CNN contributor and Democratic strategist, Maria Cardona. Thanks to both of you. I'm going to start with you, Amy. Shouldn't millionaires pay at least the same percentage in taxes as the middle class? AMY KREMER, CHAIRWOMAN, TEA PARTY EXPRESS: Well, look, I think that we should -- they should be paying taxes, but if Warren Buffett really thinks he needs to be paying more money, he's more than willing to check that box and write a check. What people don't realize is the impact it's going to have on small businesses, and small businesses are the ones that create the jobs in the company. We cannot raise enough money to get us out of this hole. At some point, you have to stop the spending. So this is just another layer on a huge tax code that needs to be reformed. And it's not the answer, Don. LEMON: So let's go to Maria. Why is it fair to use a tax code to target a specific class of people, Maria? MARIA CARDONA, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Because the way that the tax code is right now, Don, is fundamentally unfair. And I'm sorry, but no small business is making what Warren Buffett is making. And that's exactly the type of people that this new tax is going to be targeting. You know, this new tax is basically asking households that make over $1 million, who inherently pay much less of their percentage in taxes than middle class families do, to pay their fair share. Warren Buffett said it best. Why should he, one of the wealthiest men in the world, pay less of a percentage in taxes than his receptionist or the good folks that clean his office at Berkshire Hathaway? It is fundamentally unfair. And that is why Americans overwhelmingly support President Obama's approach of fairness. And it is unfathomable to me that Republicans on the Hill, driven by the Tea Party, would not be for fundamental fairness, a core value of this country. (CROSSTALK) LEMON: Listen. Let me ask you this. Do you think -- again, I guess you think it is fair to do it. But do you -- can we all agree on something, or at least you two, that the tax code needs to be redone? Maria first. CARDONA: Absolutely. LEMON: Ok. CARDONA: And it is something that this president talked about in his jobs plan. Let's hope that Republicans can join us.
LEMON: Amy? KREMER: I absolutely think that the tax code needs to be rewritten, and that's why I go back and say that creating another layer on this massive tax code is not the answer. You cannot tax enough to cover the spending. At some point, you have to stop the spending. LEMON: All right. Let's talk about a little bit of presidential politics now, and let's start with the President. He is facing some serious challenges. And we learned a few days ago that poverty has climbed to its highest point since 1993, but today the former president, Bill Clinton, said things will turn around, and here's why. Take a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Four months before he became president was a financial crash. If you go back hundreds of years, these things take an average of about five years to get over. If we want to speed that up, we're all going to have to work together. Now, we all know that if you look at the elections of the last four years or five years or ten years or 20 years or 30 years, conflict makes great politics, but it doesn't make very good policy. (END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: So, Amy, you know the Tea Party has seen its share of conflict, since it arrived on the scene, so conflict, does it lead to good policy? KREMER: Well, this is what I say. You know, President Clinton says that President Obama inherited this mess, but we need to remind people that we had a Democratic-controlled Congress from 2006 until January of this year -- both chambers. And what have they done? At some point -(CROSSTALK) LEMON: Here's the thing, if you don't mind, let me stop you. Because I think that what he is saying in this, and I watched the whole thing this morning, is that in order -- the situation that we're in and that the President inherited, this Administration inherited, that everyone, including Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party members, whoever, libertarians, all need to work together to get out of this mess. But there are people in Washington, as the President has said and many others have said, that just won't work with this president, even when he proposes policies that they have proposed in the past. KREMER: Don, so this is the problem. President Obama and the Democrats already put a stimulus package together that was supposed to keep unemployment under 8 percent. Now here we are, you know, several years down the road, unemployment's at over 9 percent -- 9.1 percent I believe -- look at what happened with Solyndra this past week or within the past two weeks, and now this new jobs package? LEMON: The Solyndra thing, that's a red herring. KREMER: Wait a second. No, but that was the thing. That was supposed to create jobs. And they're now going bankrupt. My point is, you cannot -- this is not a problem that you can keep putting band-aids on. The stimulus was supposed to be a quick infusion of cash to get people back to work -- quick, you know, shovel-
ready jobs and it didn't work and it's not going to work again. It's the same thing. And there's not even legislation. How can the President be out there, you know, cheering for this when we haven't even seen legislation? LEMON: Yes. I understand that, but here's the thing. The Solyndra thing, yes, that was a bad thing, but that was one example among many, many businesses who got money. And there are people who say that the stimulus wasn't big enough. Maria, what's your take on this, listening to what Amy has to say? CARDONA: So let's remind people of two things. First of all, President Bush was in power and passing these ridiculous policies that put us into this big hole to begin with from 2000. So this is a problem that took eight years to get into. It's something President Obama has talked about from the very beginning. Let's talk about the Recovery Act -- what Republicans and Tea Partiers like to call the stimulus. The Recovery Act kept us from going into a second great depression. Economists from all ranges of the political spectrum will tell you that. It saved or created between 2.5 and 4 million jobs. That is a fact. This recovery -- the jobs plan now is something that we need to basically inject now so that Americans can get back to work. If Republicans think that everything is fine and dandy, fine. Don't do anything. Unfortunately, the Republican agenda -- Mitch McConnell made it very clear, is to not to work for the American people, not to create not even one job -- what is it -- to make this president a one- term president. It's not the kind of leadership we need right now. (CROSSTALK) LEMON: Ok, Maria. KREMER: Maria, can I -- let me just say, Maria, the thing is Washington is not the answer. Private sector is the answer. Washington needs to get rid of all this overburdening regulation and get out of the way so that people will start demanding products again, it will free up the cash flow and these businesses will create jobs. Washington cannot go and create jobs. CARDONA: And you know what, Amy, I agree -- let's agree. I agree with you on that. (CROSSTALK) LEMON: Maria, we're going to have to end it there, we're with out of time. Thanks to both of you. Sorry about that. KREMER: Thank you. LEMON: All right. Let's talk about another wealthy man. We're talking about Bill Gates. He calls Khan Academy the start of a revolution. The online site provides more than 2,000 video tutorials from calculus to chemistry all for free. And our education contributor Steve Perry sat down with the pioneer and the voice behind the videos in tonight's "Perry's Principles". (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) STEVE PERRY, CNN EDUCATION CONTRIBUTOR: In a small Silicon Valley office, Salman Khan is
using simple illustrations and lingo to explain Math, Science, History and even business concepts. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this does not blow your mind then you have no emotion. PERRY: The 10 to 20-minute tutorials on khanacademy.org are free to anyone, anywhere. You've opened up the world of learning to the world. SALMAN KHAN, KHAN ACADEMY: The best way to get at the core of most issues whether it's, poverty, health care whatever, is just having -- even democracy -- is making sure you have an educated population. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got 31 -- is that negative 31. PERRY: Dean Brettle uses Khan Academy as a tool for home schooling his two children. DEAN BRETTLE, HOMESCHOOLS HIS CHILDREN: What I like about it and what I think the kids like about it is that you can work at your own pace. (INAUDIBLE) they can pause it, they can rewind it, they can watch them multiple times. PERRY: And with Khan, you have to master all the material before moving on with only hints to help you. BRETTLE: If you're struggling with something in a regular school and you don't get it but you take the test and you get a C on the test. PERRY (on camera): You can't move on with a C here. BRETTLE: That's right. PERRY (voice-over): Richard Julian is a fifth grade teacher in Los Altos, California. He uses Khan's videos in math class. The software tracks each student's progress. RICHARD JULIAN, COVINGTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL: By doing that, it allows the teacher to know their students very well. It allows them to know their strengths and it allows them to know their weaknesses. PERRY: Khan Academy is a nonprofit. But it's backed by Bill Gates and Google. (on camera): You're doing this for free, partner. What gives? KHAN: Well, you know, if Khan Academy was for profit, it would limit the number of kids that would use it. Hopefully when I'm 80, I can say wow there's a billion kids that use it and maybe will continue to use it. PERRY: Steve Perry in Cottonwood, California. (END VIDEOTAPE) (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: It was one of the most graphic murder trials in recent years. Three members of a Connecticut family, the Petits, brutally murdered in their home back in 2007. You recall the first defendant, Stephen Hayes, was convicted and sentenced to death last year. Now the trial for his alleged accomplice Joshua Komisarjevsky is set to get underway tomorrow. Let's turn now to Susan Candiotti live outside the courthouse in New Haven, Connecticut. So Susan, you talked to the jurors in the trial of Stephen Hayes, and what did they tell you? SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, they talked about trauma that some of them still feel, and little things that trigger bad memories, like seeing the same model of the getaway car, or passing by the police station. They talked about painful memories that they share. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CANDIOTTI (voice-over): They are three jurors who shared an experience that at times triggers haunting memories to this day. MAICO CARDONA, JUROR IN TRIAL OF STEPHEN HAYES: It's like a bad dream you can't wake up from and you can't control? CANDIOTTI: Serving on a jury who saw and heard painfully explicit evidence that Stephen Hayes helped carry out the murder of Jennifer Hawke-Petit, her 17-year-old daughter, Hayley, and 11-yearold, Micaela. Murders described as pure evil. PAULA CALZETTA, JUROR IN TRIAL OF STEPHEN HAYES: They were capturing all of what's said and processing it and a lot of that was painful stuff. DIANA KEIM, JUROR IN TRIAL OF STEPHEN HAYES: Especially now were seeing the new trial coming up, and I see flashes of Josh on that television, that's when some of the bad feelings do come up. CANDIOTTI: Feelings from powerful testimony that Mrs. Hawke-Petit was forced to withdraw money from a bank, taken home, raped, and strangled. Her daughters Hale and Micaela were tied to their beds and set afire. Young Micaela was sexually assaulted. Mr. Petit was severely beaten but escaped. Some images are inescapable. CALZETTA: When I look at fire now, it almost always comes to mind. CANDIOTTI (on camera): What was the experience like for you? CARDONA: Well, i could imagine Micaela was the same way as my daughter was, you know, happy, had a good family. They did things together and just to imagine the terror that she was going through at that time and what she was thinking about. So that's - I try not to think about it, just because, like right now, I'm getting upset just thinking about it. CANDIOTTI (voice-over): Stephen Hayes was sentenced to death in December. Now a second jury will have to face alleged mastermind, Joshua Komisarjevsky, who's pleaded not guilty. As in the first trial, a new panel also is likely to hear Komisarjevsky's jailhouse writings, describing the murders in chilling detail. "I was looking at my personal demon, reflected back in their eyes," he wrote. "Hayley is a fighter. She tried time and again to free herself." Komisarjevsky wrote of the youngest victim, "I tasted her fear."
(on camera): What goes through your mind as you hear those words? CARDONA: He knew exactly what he was doing. And he liked it. And he wanted to have control over another person since he didn't have control over any other part of his life and that makes him a coward. KEIM: How just got high off tasting that fear and how angry I am. CALZETTA: I think it was a perfect storm of evil. CANDIOTTI: What would your advice be to jurors? CARDONA: You can't talk to anybody else, you can't talk to your family about it, you can't talk to anybody, so you have to find a way to kind of release that bad energy that's there.
KEIM: You have to nurture yourself. You have to nurture your spirit in order to handle something like this. CALZETTA: Take care of yourself and listen to your body, because it does state what you're about to see and hear, it is - it stays with you. (END VIDEOTAPE) CANDIOTTI: And despite the emotional wounds that they share, believe it or not, some of these former jurors plan on attending at least part of the next trial, including the woman that you saw with the short hair, Paula Calzetta, she'll be there for opening statements tomorrow morning, Don. LEMON: Susan Candiotti, thank you very much for that. Up next on CNN, how does Washington create more jobs? You're going to hear from a man uniquely qualified to answer that question and studies show poverty and obesity have a lot in common. We'll introduce you to a woman doing something to change all that. We're back in two minutes. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: President Obama sent a jobs bill to Congress this week to try to stem the growing poverty rate in this country. But how does Washington create more jobs? CNN's Fareed Zakaria sat down with a man uniquely qualified to answer that question. Jeffrey Immelt is chairman of President Obama's counsel on jobs and competiveness. His day job, CEO and chairman of General Electric.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST (on camera): What is it like working with President Obama? JEFFREY IMMELT, CEO, GENERAL ELECTRIC: He's a good listener. He's tough minded. You know, I tell my colleagues in the business community, it's not like your first shot-on goal is going to get through his pads, right? He is tough minded and he's a good listener. ZAKARIA: You know, a lot of people in the business community think he's anti-capitalist or he's too left wing to be president. You see him, you talk to him about capitalism, jobs, the economy all the time. IMMELT: Look, I know he cares deeply about job creation. I know he cares deeply about the United States. Do I agree with everything that the president says or everything he stands for? Probably not. In fact, definitely no. But at the same time, you know, he's my president and I believe when the president asks you to do something, you say yes. So that's the context with which I took the jobs council assignment. I like President Obama, I respect President Obama. (END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: That's Jeffrey Immelt. Watch him and other American leaders tonight as they try to come up with answers to our unemployment problem on Fareed Zakaria's prime-time special "Restoring the American Dream: Getting back to Work." It airs in about 20 minutes here on CNN. Studies show poverty and obesity go hand in hand. This week's CNN hero learned that for herself when she moved into her East Harlem neighborhood and she decided to do something about it. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) GINA KEATLEY, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: I grew up in very low-income areas. I experienced a lot of poverty. Homelessness as a child as well. But it taught me to redefine myself and to not let your past determine your future. When I moved to New York for school, I was living in East Harlem and there's very few places to buy fruits and vegetables and healthy food. It's the most diabetic and obese of all the neighborhoods in Manhattan. People were super malnourished. I saw the connection between poverty and obesity, and it just seemed unjust. And I had to do something about it. My name is Gina Keatley and I'm giving nourishment to people who are literally dying for it. (INAUDIBLE) come on over. If you want somebody to try a tomato, give them a tomato. It's inspiration. They have to feel it, touch it, taste it. Because people will not change unless something in them changes. We go places other people will not go. We're giving out produce, we're doing classes. You really can eat healthy on a low budget. What are these? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Grapes. KEATLEY: What's this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chicken. KEATLEY: Chicken! We really want them to start early on, so we can start a ripple effect for the rest of their life. Say tortilla. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tortilla! KEATLEY: Good At the end of the day, the parents are the ones doing the shopping, so we have to win them over as well. Thank you guys. Thanks for coming. When I see an in-need child, it reminds me of the (INAUDIBLE) I didn't have, and I want them to succeed. It's about pulling yourself up, and never accepting no. And I can see it in people's faces. I think people are getting it. (END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: Next Thursday, we will be announcing this year's top 10 heroes on cnn.com. Then you'll be able to vote online or on your mobile twice for the CNN hero of the year for 2011. All 10 finalists will be honored at the CNN heroes all-star tribute hosted by Anderson Cooper with one name, the CNN hero of the year. UPS rolls out a new service to ensure you don't miss your deliveries when you're away. Tech news is next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: This has happened to probably all of us. Don't you hate it when you're expecting a package, but you miss a delivery and you find a note on your door saying, they'll try again tomorrow. But I'll be at work tomorrow again at the same time. That could be a thing of the past with the new service that UPS is rolling out soon. I want to bring in now tech reporter Katie Linendoll to tell us all about that. So Katie, how does this new feature work? KATIE LINENDOLL, TECH REPORTER: Yes, leave it to new technology in perfect timing, just in time for those on-line holiday shopping. UPS has launched an opt-in program called UPS my choice. How this works is the day you're supposed to receive a delivery, they'll actually text, e-mail, or call you and give you a four-hour window in which the time is supposed to arrive. For an additional $5, you can actually choose that delivery window or you can send it somewhere else. And then there's another, of course there's an upgrade here. For $40 a year, you can opt into a premium service that allows you to choose your four-hour window, and also, of course, will also text, e-mail, or call you, and then you can also redeliver it somewhere else, and for $5 more, you can choose a two-hour window. And I like to have fun with situations like this, because I like to start the clock and see when FEDEX and DHL will also roll out with something like this. It's just a matter of time. LEMON: Oh my gosh, four-hour window? I mean, come on. Who has that much time to just sit around and wait for four hours.
LINENDOLL: I know. Comcast does. It's the same kind of thing here with cable. LEMON: You said it, i - but that's funny. I'm waiting on a repair person, I'm going to be there between 9:00 and 5:00. Yes, well, that's when I work. Let's move and talk about this, about the Blackberry Messenger, BBM. That's the one thing I missed really about having a Blackberry. It's a very popular service, but there's been some controversy recently, specifically in the UK. What's the issue? LINENDOLL: Yes, let's break this down for you. So Blackberry Messenger or BBM is Blackberry's proprietary instant messaging service. Now, what's great about this is it operates on its own network and it uses secure encryption. This has become a concern for government especially in the last few weeks when we saw the riots happening in London, BBM, Blackberry messenger, was one of the tools he used to organize these riots. So per the request of the British government, RIM, the creators of Blackberry, recently this weekend, in new news, they have decided to shut down the service in times of unrest when the government requests so. So it becomes this continued debate of, you know, when we see over in Egypt or we see over in Syria, when they cut the phone lines, when they cut internet, we call that repression. But when it's happening over here in the states we take, for example, the B.A.R.T. system, San Francisco's subway system a few weeks ago there was protests and they cut the phone lines. And over in London we're going to cut BBM services. I will say that the government, the British government said it will be unlikely they would cut it. But just even having that debate, when is it repression and when is it unjust? LEMON: And is it just the British government with the problem? LINENDOLL: That's a good question. I actually came to learn that BBM is not only a problem - not just in London but also recently South Africa has had a problem with BBM. Also the United Arab Emirates, India. And the reason for that is we talked about it being on a secure network. We talked about the encryption. The governments don't have, say, a master key to be able to track these messages going back and forth. So when it comes to organized terrorism or terrorists communicating back and forth, that is a concern for any number of governments. LEMON: Katie Linendoll, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Good to see you. LINENDOLL: You, too. LEMON: Coming up, the first transgendered contestant appears on "Dancing with the Stars" on Monday night. What does that signify for what many consider a fringe community? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: Welcome back, everyone. I have a flash back for you now as Chastity Bono, she was the blond angel-faced daughter of Sonny and Cher on their TV show during the 1970s. But now all grown up as a man, Chaz Bono will be the first transgender competitor on "Dancing with the Stars." Is his new gig a milestone for the movement? Is society crossing a threshold to a more accepting attitude? I put those questions to human behavior expert Dr. Wendy Walsh. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DR. WENDY WALSH, HUMAN BEHAVIOR EXPERT: Absolutely. I think our culture is continuing to become more and more enlightened. And every once in a while when one person is brave enough to step into the limelight and represent a variation of the human species, it's a great thing for all of us. LEMON: It's clearly, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, it's a moment for transpeople, for - at least for the world if not America here with "Dancing with the Stars" to learn about them and the issues they face. WALSH: It's a great opportunity to learn about them. And one of the lessons is that there really is a third gender. But that third gender isn't one thing. It's a catchall for a host of physiological, chromosomal and psychological variations in human gender. To think that we could be neatly lumped on into two categories of male and female is crazy. LEMON: Listen, Chaz Bono has received a lot of hateful comments. We've seen all the stories on it. Why do you think people may have such an extreme reaction when it comes to gender or transgendered people? WALSH: Because it's scary to some people. When people are different, it feels frightening. People like to know the rulebook, the playing field, how life is supposed to be. And when they are thrown these weird hook shots, these left curves, then it makes them feel frightened. LEMON: You talked about it. You said you believe there is a third gender. But explain to us more about this. I don't know if - I don't know if this is the right term. Correct me if I'm wrong. The mental condition behind transgendered people. WALSH: It's called gender identity disorder. And it may be linked to a host of chromosomal disorder as well as hormonal and anatomical variations that happen when human fetuses are formed. To give you this two quick examples, Don. There's something called Turner syndrome that happens in one in 2,000 female births where female babies are born with female genitalia. But around puberty because they're missing a female chromosome they don't grow breasts and they don't develop ovaries and they can't have children. They tend to self-identify as women, however. Then there's Klinfelter syndrome that occurs in about one in 500 male births where they're born with male anatomy, but they have an extra female chromosome that shows up at puberty. LEMON: So Wendy, having spoken to transgender people, they think that people automatically assume they are homosexual. That's not the case. They say it's about gender, not about sexuality. WALSH: In fact, there are three distinct concepts I want people to understand. One is gender identity. How do we self-identify? Do I feel like a man? Do I feel like a woman? Next is gender role. Am I a highly feminine woman or a highly masculine man? What things do I prefer to do. Are they traditionally female or male? And the third and separate category is sexual orientation which is completely different. You could have a transgendered male who began life as a female, converts to a male because she self-identifies male. She feels like a man. And when she becomes a man, she actually becomes a homosexual man because in sexual orientation she still prefers men. (END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: Dr. Wendy Walsh, thank you for that. You know, criticism of Bono's appearance has been harsh. One TV psychiatrist has even directed parents to not let their kids watch.
Well, let's check your headlines right now. Parishioners had to spring into action today when a gunman opened fire inside a Lakeland, Florida, church. Police say Jeremiah Foegle wounded the pastor and associate pastor. Four others inside the church tackled and held him until officers arrived. Affiliate WFTS is reporting that Foegle allegedly killed his wife before going to the church. Both the pastor and the associate pastor are being treated at a hospital. The TSA says it has fired 28 employees at Hawaii's web host Honolulu International Airport. The move comes after a probe revealed several screeners weren't properly checking bags before putting them on planes. In addition to the firings, TSA also suspended 15 people. It is believed to be one of the biggest terminations in the agency's history. A controversial ending to the welterweight title belt between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Viktor Ortiz. In the fourth round the referee took a point away from Ortiz for head butting. Ortiz appeared to be meaning to apologize but Mayweather knocked him to the canvas. He couldn't get up before the 10 count. It was all over. Ortiz says he was blind sided and blames miscommunication with the ref. Mayweather said, "You have to protect yourself at all times." It's television's big night. The 63rd annual primetime Emmy awards are about to start inside the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles. The villain from the show "Glee," actress Jane Lynch is, it's her first time as host. She's going to host tonight. By the way, both Lynch and her show have been nominated in the comedy category. So it'll be very interesting. Thank you so much for watching. I'm Don Lemon at the CNN World headquarters in Atlanta. I'm going to see you back here at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. CNN presents "Restoring the American Dream: Getting Back to Work" is next.