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SUNY Learning Network ​torture convention what's a torture convention is that like comic-con but for assholes immigration give us your tired your poor your huddled masses yearning to breathe free sometimes today we're gonna find out what does it take to get into America and I allowed to lie on this test it's not a good idea both my parents are immigrants but I have no idea what the steps are I don't know if they had to like submit headshots would be like an audition reel hello my name is Jay I like freedom but after use ik and that like cowboy boots America [Music] I'm Hiroshi mother Maura I teach law at the UCLA School of Law is it easy to get into America defendant who you are so we let about a million people in the country illegally every year I don't want people pay for the war a lot of people should be less so you can't just come because you want to come if you want to I mean it's a long process and it's longer for some people another depends partly on the country you're from your skill level I hear a lot about the immigration system is broken well yeah it's broken that's the one thing that people worry about how is it drug how's it broken right today we're gonna find out just how hard it would be to actually immigrate and then become a citizen in the United States of America you have to you have to pass a test of history at Civic it's often said that a lot of Americans wouldn't be able to pass it as the ship test we're gonna find out today in Tennessee they mostly let2 Tennessee history and that is super useless what do we call the first ten amendments to the Constitution the first ten of the cowboy the Bill of Rights the Bill of Rights the Magna Carta it's been a long time since I did school who is the governor of your state is a governor of our state card of him who is he what they look like old white what is the last day you can send in federal income tax forms and again I think I actually know this because I always missed this date no April 20th is 4/20 that's not the answer that's not the answer what did susan b anthony news susan b anthony designed the first u.s. flag she was a boss ass bitch indeed oh man you passed yeah that's good news as far as shit-ass goes the more complicated part of this is even giving in the jews with people that's a lot to take it unless you've had a green card for five years wait what so we're gonna be putting ten or fifteen years if they're waiting to get a green card that's for the green card it's just for the green card explain what we're talking about is coming to this country as a socalled gamer you're not a citizen this is about getting in and being allowed to stay indefinitely being a citizen is a whole other set of issues that you have to jump through puts all these Horrors in the air where are these tubes coming from today we're gonna meet some people who are citizens some people who aren't citizens yet but people will come to America to live a better life my family is from Iran they came to the United States right after the Iranian Revolution my was executed my mom was the next one that was supposed to be executed she escaped with my other on both on horseback going through the mountains he's trying to find someplace I go I moved to the US five years ago to study college so I had to apply for a student visa my hometown Tampico Mexico was undergoing lots of darker tell violence at the time I left both because of safety reasons and also to give myself more opportunities we're gonna simulate how you get in the country legally in a four different ways to get into this country employ your relatives are you get a job prospect we also protect people fleeing persecution and there's this longer I've written had a few pretty typical stories couple of them are from Iran a couple of them are from Mexico Zach and I are going to be here with morale to represent either on and then morale will help contextualize the Iranian perspective she's here to make sure we don't it all up it's crazy to think it's easy to get in the country I mean it's easy if you have a PhD and even won a Nobel Prize Eugene is a 23 year old woman and your name is avi day and you're student at a university studying physics and chemical engineering think of routing me some are smarter than real me recently spoken out against this long I think I have a crush on Iranian regime don't have a crush on fake me you've received some threatening phone calls accusing you of subversive politics but you don't know who made the calls you think it'd be a good idea to think about leaving Iran and you think about the United States people are calling and threatening my beautiful holiday I don't know you we've never met so then here's here's your story now you're a college grad and you work as a bank officer at private bank in Mexico City you often travel internationally and recently met and fell in love with a man from Peru and he got his green card six years ago the two of you want to marry my husband you want to bring with you with six year old daughter and a four year old son from a previous marriage and Europe first husband turned into a cat and you have a

mother who's attached to her grandchildren and would be heartbroken if they went with you to LA you're a 55 year old man I'm poetic dad's you've been working as a barber living and it's here on some probe I'm afraid you've been recently widowed that means I'm single you have a sister and the sister emigrated 15 years ago to Los Angeles where she owns a hair salon so I need to get my sister to become a citizen and you could just marry this no no more networks okay you work as a carpenter and a landscaper in Mexico the whole construction industry isn't drying up in your town you think your prospects or your free children would be much better in the United States I'm a family man I want to set a good example one thing I didn't tell you dropped out of high school should have done that but times rate was I was partying a lot back then or you couldn't afford to be in school or realistically you just need to work there's a lot of other reasons you might drop out from high school other than party game he likes party and that's it everybody likes party I'm just me I'm me Mariano party man okay so you've got a tough choice to make wow this is a lot to unpackage do I have any superpowers what do we know about so I would say that she comes from a pretty well-off family also that she's a highly intelligent so naturally beautiful I know wake up hey you have some funds you have an income you don't have family here you don't have a job you don't have a claim for persecution and you don't win the lottery you're out I'm going to go for a work visa because I had the most magical fingers and olive tada it's possible your sister could sponsor you but she's gonna have to show that you are not taking a job away from the American worker that's the one I had to fill out I'm gonna prove that you wouldn't take anyone elses jobs yes they have to basically advertise the job ejected for legitimate reasons and we can hire you within that process and take several your do we have scissors here because I can show you how good I am I think like a nice fade on the side stop making us not want first of all I have got some dependents and I love to go to LA just to like to visit first means is a so-called non-immigrant visa that means that you have to convince someone let's say at the US Embassy that if you come into the United States as a tourist you will actually leave so no no I am I for us oh okay so I was gonna say get tourist fees that go get married so the US government is gonna give you a visa if they think you might overstay lovelove knows - no loss then rob the bank I might have well-founded persecution right you're gonna have to show that this amounts of some kind of pattern we're really under some kind of threat you don't think that his threatening phone calls are credible enough you've only gotten a few calls Hiroshi you say a few as if this is a normal thing you don't exactly want to pull yourself out there so you get more threats right there are so many countries in the world that you say one thing and it's a life-and-death situation and you're done much rather have a student visa then put myself in more danger to prove that I'm in danger it's not you a cousin who's living but without papers in Los Angeles and he offers to do what can to help you move to LA and is that a quick quick application process there is a temporary worker program by a five-year visa and confirms practically speaking of a year a year you might be thinking I want to get a green card problem is it's really hard to do that if you don't have a college degree could I finished high school now and apply to a college that's an option and I need to make money I don't need to pay money you have a family do I have any friends with strong photoshop skills and I could get a diploma that's a fake diploma so you're relying on family connection I think that's all I got your sister could become a citizen if she wasn't already and she can sponsor you but the problem with that is then you get into a line that's many years ago well is that not the fastest line 15 or 20 years 15 to 20 years that's probably on the country you're from that's a long line some people it's a retirement program god I need to be gonna be here forever everyone at the State Department puts out this list of who we're letting in today so if you're from a big country in terms of population you got to wait longer than if you're from a smaller but if you marry someone who is your citizen then technically there's no line where should we can't marry then what type of addresses should I have a bridesmaid for that's the important question here one thing that does count your favorite is that you can bring your children with you what about I believe the problem is you can bring your children but not your parents see it behind but think about this it's gonna take like ten years how old you know people come and go and I don't want a winter wedding just let me just mention a couple of complications with everyday scenario one is that you've got to be able to prove financial support for this period because you won't be allowed to work oh my gosh and then you have to find a job within your field of study so it's not like you can be a waitress for like to pay rent or something you have nine days to find a job within your field of study I'm not dating you you do not have any money and he doesn't you say I'm currently on an h-1b work visa a visa that the current administration has promised to get rid of you've got a permanent job with the employer could sponsor you this is complicated though my path to citizenship would be through my employer so I would need to stay with my with my organization for a long time for them to sponsor me through the whole green card process this is the plight of all of my international student friends I have a couple of friends who are international students with me and they weren't able to find jobs so now they have to go home fortunately that was not the case for me does this mean we're getting married hell no damn okay so I feel like my plan now since I don't want to leave a void - I'm gonna get Eduardo to apply for citizenship get

married maybe we'll live in Mexico City for a while tend to and then after she passes we can move to LA I don't know I don't know what to do I'm gonna build a boat this sounds very biblical and I'm gonna sell the boat now I got some money then build another boat but family on that boat we're gonna go up the coast we're in America why can't it work has anyone ever tried the double both methods getting creative here I'm gonna do something to save my family I got three kids depending on me there's no path for me a lot of this has to do with the mismatch between what our economy seems to want and the people we actually do feelings of employers in this country who think they need immigrant workers we have a Congress is not willing to create lines to stand then if you don't have a college degree our jobs better I can build its boats boats boats today's so a lot people say why don't the one which is stand in line was no longer standing but I also immigrants do a lot of the work that keeps businesses in this country and they create jobs for all kinds of people including a lot of Americans what is what is this paperwork of the form you're looking at is for someone who wants to get a green card I think you gave me multiple by accident giving me anxiety just to see them had to fill out so many of these forms before there's a separate form for temporary workers and then this is to become a six years later you apply for citizenship by then maybe I should just go to Mexico City it seems like there's a lot of banks there I think kids will be friends now fees could run you in the hundreds to a few thousands of dollars lawyers fees might run you thousands of dollars with their complicated issues in the case I don't think I have enough money to fill out these forms and eat but there's one of the complication I want to mention and that is a travel ban in effect oh yeah that thing the basic idea is to suspend immigration from for seven now six different countries I mean the one that's most affected is Iran actually I mean about half the people affected and there's also a separate reduction number of refugees that are allowed to come in so it's been defended as a security measure but it's being challenged by saying that it's a pretext it's also challenged by saying yeah this is really targeting Muslims it's falling from the campaign promise of the Muslim I remember distinctively the day that my mom texted me about the travel ban I didn't she was like call me like I could hear the tears in her voice it was very much of her just talking about how many families don't have a future becoming a citizen was only available to free white person's it's only in 1950 to 1952 1955 to is the first time Congress says we're gonna let you become a citizen regardless of country or from what we think it was one America I used to be seen as really exotic there's a time in the mid eighteen hundreds where the real concern is Catholics because they only just the Pope they couldn't possibly be good American history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes I chose to go a more student-based route you might and a lot of people do leave themselves open to getting job offers when they graduate that is gonna allow you to get a green card but there are a lot of pitfalls along the way and a lot of people don't make it through I mean a lot of people don't ever find that employer you don't know how long it's going to take you don't know if something will go wrong having your mom come visit you later that might be tough because there's a suspicion maybe she'll stay and you got to make some choices about your family life it's like I can ultimately make it to America but it would come at great personal sacrifice even though that's the quickest path supposedly they've gotten so much harder over the years she can she can try to sponsor you but that's a really long line it's really measured in decades now and so a lot of cakes and I suppose there are some people think that's the way the system ought to be but no matter where you come out on that I mean the fact is it's really hard to get into this country how many people would you say are kind of wanting to come to America but there's just no path now the answer is got to be in the millions because you know we have 11 million people in this country who don't have legal status and people sometimes say wanted to stand in line well I'm not sure there's much of a line for you to stand in I'm gonna come here with that paper and just send money back to my family until they find me well a lot of people are doing that that's what I would do that I totally understand why you do that I'm ashamed at how much I was unaware of so much of whether or not you can get to America is out of your control it's where were you born what how much money were you born into did you have the privilege and the opportunity to get an education because guess what you could also work really hard and still not get it many times we talk about immigrants with this blanket terminology when in fact it's a very nuanced highly personal diverse perspective driven process that changes from individual to individual and generally it favors people who have higher education a little bit more money and so I think that's the sad thing is that the most unamerican thing is trying to block people out who are doing the most American thing working hard down their life for anyone to have a perspective of those people shouldn't be here America first it's garbage people are dying in other countries that's why they want to come here they want to have lives the fact that we're here just speaks to what America can be and what it should be and that we all are just a human race you know [Music] Stern School of Business.